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1. 05:25 AM - Lightspeed headsets (Lyle Persels)
2. 06:44 AM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (flier)
3. 07:32 AM - Re: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers (Floran Higgins)
4. 08:17 AM - Re: Michel in NYC (michel)
5. 09:51 AM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
6. 10:27 AM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (Rick)
7. 10:29 AM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (Rick)
8. 10:32 AM - Re: Need Lights (Rick)
9. 10:49 AM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (David & Maria Lumgair)
10. 11:21 AM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (Bob Unternaehrer)
11. 02:35 PM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (flier)
12. 02:59 PM - Re: A New Fox Takes to the Air (Michael Gibbs)
13. 04:52 PM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (Thomas Lee)
14. 05:27 PM - Re: Michel in NYC (John E. King)
15. 05:31 PM - Adding a radio (jareds)
16. 05:31 PM - 582 EGT (jareds)
17. 05:59 PM - Re: Adding a radio (Steve Cooper)
18. 06:14 PM - NYC (hausding, sid)
19. 06:46 PM - Re: Adding a radio (jareds)
20. 06:58 PM - Re: routing brake lines - Kitfox 2 (Wwillyard@aol.com)
21. 08:32 PM - Re: 582 EGT (Bruce Harrington)
22. 09:04 PM - Skystars new Website forum needs our help! (Paul Seehafer)
23. 09:18 PM - Re: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! (Don Pearsall)
24. 10:58 PM - Re: A New Fox Takes to the Air (kurt schrader)
25. 11:08 PM - Re: Need Lights (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Lightspeed headsets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their
headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help
me? Lyle Persels
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Greg,
Just my 2 cents of course but fuel gauges would seem
to be more trouble than they're worth. The sight
guages are fool proof and the simplest solution. I'm
putting a guage in my Nieuport but only because I
can't see the fuel tank under the cowling and a float
guage would require an open hole in the top of the
tank.
Two float sensors, two electrical circuits with fuses
to short, and two guages to go bad or out of
calibration just seems like a lot of unnecessary
complexity.
Again, just my opinion.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "*" <caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*"
<caseclosed66@hotmail.com>
>
>Just wondering,
>
>has anyone replaced the sight fuel gauges with panel
mount electronic
>sender-gauge type gauges?
>
>I'm working on a KF IV rebuild and planning a new
panel layout and was
>thinking that it would be nice to have panel mounted
fuel gauges.
>
>thanks
>greg
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| Subject: | Re: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
Kurt
I have nearly 50 years of experience flying in the mountains. I agree with
most of your conclusions.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> John and all,
>
> I think Michael did use the sky as a playground and we
> admired him for it, but this is my guess on his
> accident. Just a guess... Read only for the possible
> lesson value please. I am not trying to be morbid. I
> liked him a lot too.
>
> His plane probably was in balance, but heavy with the
> stuff he traveled with. He was close to the ground,
> but high in density altitude. This is where mountain
> experienced and more conservative pilots will leave
> extra room for themselves. Desert Fox Squadron pilots
> can comment on this better.
>
> I suspect that Mike didn't understand the warnings he
> was given to turn around, because he expected near
> sealevel performance so close to the ground. He liked
> the view. He liked the thrill and the performance he
> expected. A shrugged the warnings off.
>
> But when he powered up to climb out, little happened
> due to the DA. Flying in a narrow canyon and near the
> middle, there is little room to turn. Trying to
> climb, he had already bled off speed with surprisingy
> little results. In only seconds he had no real
> option, but he tried to turn. Tight bank and canyon
> wall coming up fast. Rudder to help the turn. Pull
> hard to avoid the wall. Stall and spin. Maybe a
> cropduster pilot might have made it, given a lot of
> maneuver experience close to the ground. Probably
> not.
>
> Michael was not the first to do this nor the last by a
> long shot. This is a very often repeated story.
> There is in fact, another famous marker very near his.
> Plane type and battery location have nothing to do
> with it.
>
> Even helo pilots do it. If it will not hover at
> 10,000', it doesn't much matter that you are 3' AGl on
> a mountain side. It will fall just like it always
> does from 10,000'. I learned a lot and saw a lot in
> just 2 months of helo flying in Northern Norway. Lost
> 5 friends there. Lost 2 more friends in the
> Philippines. Okinawa too. California. North
> Carolina. All mountains and valleys...
>
> If the plane is in CG, it really doesn't matter
> aerodynamically that it was achieved by the battery
> being aft to balance out the heavy engine. The
> position of the CG to the CL in the spin is the
> controlling weight factor. Only if he was CG too far
> aft would that matter. And that applies to any plane
> no matter where the battery is. Aft CG is bad. Guess
> that is why I am happy to fight with and still keep a
> forward CG.
>
> In other words, I think his plane was just fine and
> not a contributing factor. If he had spun it from
> 2000' AGL, it would have had no problem getting in or
> out of the spin in a few 100 feet like any other Fox
> within CG limits would. But he was right there in a
> hole when it started with most of the ground already
> over his head. If he recovered, in which direction
> would he have been pointing? 80% chance right at a
> wall. Where is the horizon? Spins are confusing
> enough. I wasn't there, but I know I would have been
> in trouble if I was. IMHO
>
> For those who have spun a IV, how many turns did it
> take to recover after the first full turn? I
> understand 2 turns after corrective control input is
> made, is pretty normal. (I suspect that with floats
> on, it would not spin the same, or recover the same.
> Don't know myself, but that would not seem to be a
> valid comparison for those who have done it.)
>
> I think it was just high DA and no real mountain
> experience here. We could all wish for a turbo 914 or
> Turbo NSI to help, but then some pilots would just
> press on that much more. This was repeated by 3 of 4
> Bonanzas from a flying club out of CA shortly after
> Michael, as I remember. I know of a Navy P-3 that did
> almost the same thing in Hawaii too.
>
> There are some well proven mountain and canyon lessons
> learned the hard way. Here are a few:
>
> 1. You may only get one chance to get it right. Plan
> ahead.
> 2. Fly down canyon, not up.
> 3. Consider DA!
> 4. Don't fly in the middle of the valley or canyon.
> Always leave room to turn.
> 5. Where do you go if the engine quits? Plan for it.
> 6. Consider wind effects on the canyon. One side
> will have updrafts and the other side down drafts.
> The size of the canyon can change which side is the up
> side.
>
> Just my humble opinion only.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > Talk was that he had spun his aircraft
> > before intentionally.
> >
> > Blue Skies!!
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John E. King
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mass distribution WAS: The
> > Jury is in Foxers
> >
> > To Kurt, Bob, Michel & Others,
> >
> > This discussion has led one of my friends and I to
> > think about Michael
> > Harter's problem in that Arizona blind canon. His
> > Model IV-1200 was powered
> > by a Subaru. To correct for the forward CG he
> > mounted the battery way back
> > in the tail section. We were told by a whiteness
> > that he completed 2 1/2
> > turns prior to impact. The question has come to
> > mind, whether Michael
> > Harter could have been a victim of non-recovery from
> > his spin because of the
> > extreme aft placement of his battery?
> >
> > --
> > John King
> > Warrenton, VA
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>When I go on the road, I just drop in to the local
>library and read my e-mail there.
A library? Thanks Curt, why didn't I think of that?
Anyway, I am back in Norway now, with a severe case of jetlag and blisters on
my feet from walking in N.Y.C. :-)
Thanks to you, John, for reporting to the list my situation. Terribly sorry I
couldn't make it to Washington and meet you and Don. Maybe another time, as I
really feel like coming back to the US. Great country, extremely friendly and
polite people but ... the Big Apple was too much for this old fart. I am glad
I saw it but next time, it will be the American countryside.
I loved the Hudson valley and the Catskills mountains. Our first evening meal
in the US was at Hacienda, a Mexican restaurant in West Point, where the
Cadets were celebrating with the Mexicans the Cinco de Mayo (national day).
What a great example of a harmonious multi-ethnical nation!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/12/04 6:50:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
FLIER@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Two float sensors, two electrical circuits with fuses
> to short, and two guages to go bad or out of
> calibration just seems like a lot of unnecessary
> complexity.
>
> Again, just my opinion.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
Ted,
After having done it, I would tend to fully agree.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Fuel Gauges for kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Yep, put in a JPI fuel flow instrument. You will be glad you did. It can be
coupled to various GPS units for a lot of information and piece of mind.
Mine may be off 1/10 of a gal at fill up, maybe. Looking up at the sight
tube add piece of mind in a pinch.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/12/04 6:50:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
FLIER@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Two float sensors, two electrical circuits with fuses
> to short, and two guages to go bad or out of
> calibration just seems like a lot of unnecessary
> complexity.
>
> Again, just my opinion.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
Ted,
After having done it, I would tend to fully agree.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Lightspeed headsets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
The phone number should be in the headset batter box, call em up I cant
remember but it was a fair price.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lyle Persels
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their
headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help
me? Lyle Persels
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Andy, I am not sure there is such a thing for the Fox. Wing tip lighs yes,
position and strobes yes, but dont think I have seen them all combined like
in an RV. I have a set of landing lights that I havent installed yet, but
the plane is done so just havent done that. I Put a couple in the cowl as a
compromise time thing.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy
Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Lights
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" <fultz@trip.net>
I don't suppose anyone on the list might have a set of wingtip lights with
strobes and position lights that they might want to get rid of. That's the
only thing I haven't done on my wings and I'm about ready to cover. Thanks.
Andy F.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed headsets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
I just sent them my 15XL for repair - first time in 5 years I've ha a
problem and it was MY fault. They offered me an upgrade. Try Calling
them.. dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyle Persels" <lpers@mchsi.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
>
> I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their
> headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help
> me? Lyle Persels
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed headsets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I got the new "latest and greatest" lightspeeds at OSK last year and haven't
been very happy with them. First of all my cell phone connnector wouldn't
work with them and the ear seals don't seem to be as good as my old 15XL. I
get static in the earpieces unless I hold pressure in on the earpieces. Bob
U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair"
<dlummy@visi.net>
>
> I just sent them my 15XL for repair - first time in 5 years I've ha a
> problem and it was MY fault. They offered me an upgrade. Try Calling
> them.. dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyle Persels" <lpers@mchsi.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
> >
> > I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their
> > headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help
> > me? Lyle Persels
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Fuel Gauges for kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
That's the nice thing about experimentals, to each
his own!
My only fuel flow indicator is lookin' up at those
plastic tubes from time to time...
--- Original Message ---
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
<turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
>Yep, put in a JPI fuel flow instrument. You will be
glad you did. It can be
>coupled to various GPS units for a lot of
information and piece of mind.
>Mine may be off 1/10 of a gal at fill up, maybe.
Looking up at the sight
>tube add piece of mind in a pinch.
>
>Rick
>
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| Subject: | Re: A New Fox Takes to the Air |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Paul asks:
>- Where did you put your header tank now that the baggage area occupies that
>space?
>- Can you provide us with a few picture of the widening of the fuselage that
>are as good as the baggage area you did?
>- Where did you locate your com antenna? In the fuselage or wings? Does it
>work well there?
The header tank is behind the passenger seat back. It is an aluminum
tank that Murle Williams welded up for me (he sells them, too). It
is mounted directly behind the passenger backrest, extending from the
floor up to about the midpoint of the seat back. It holds about
1-1/2 gallons.
The photos I posted on the wide-body modification
<http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/Wide-Body.jpg> are the only ones
I have, sorry. At this point, new pictures would only show a lot of
green fabric :-)
The comm antennas are in the vertical tail. #1 is just behind the
leading edge and slopes back with the tubing, while #2 is mounted
just forward of the tube that supports the rudder. I have noticed
some directional issues with the #2 comm radio that I suspect are
antenna related. Directly in front of the plane, maybe 10 degrees
wide, is an area of poor reception. I plan to swap the antenna
connectors on the radios to confirm that it is antenna-related.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed headsets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
I have been using 20K for 5 years and I like it. Just now I called the
repair center 800-332-2421 and the lady gave me the following info:-
I can upgrade to model 30-3G which costs $599 and they take my used 20k
for $200. However, this model is not particularly suitable for the
engine noise of Rotax 912 UL.
She recommended QFR, XCC cross country model at $379, but won't take
back any used set.
I am still researching.
thomas. Vixen.
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
>
>I just sent them my 15XL for repair - first time in 5 years I've ha a
>problem and it was MY fault. They offered me an upgrade. Try Calling
>them.. dave
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lyle Persels" <lpers@mchsi.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets
>
>
>
>
>>
>>I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their
>>headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help
>>me? Lyle Persels
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michel in NYC |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Michael,
Now you can rest your tired bones. If you would have made it to the Washington
area, you could have flown in a Kitfox over the green Virginia country side and
the Allegheny Mountains. Being a pilot we would have taken you to the new
Air & Space Museum at Dulles Airport. It houses the Air France Supersonic Jet,
the Space Shuttle, the Enola Gay WW2 B-29, and a lot of the WW2 fighters. You
can walk around and look at those flying machines all day in one big building
and they have free guided tours where they explain the history of each aircraft.
It cost nothing to get in, except for a $12.00 parking fee.
To show some of what you missed, I will send some pictures that I took while there,
directly to your e-mail. Do Not Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
michel wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
>
>
>>===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>>When I go on the road, I just drop in to the local
>>library and read my e-mail there.
>>
>>
>
>A library? Thanks Curt, why didn't I think of that?
>Anyway, I am back in Norway now, with a severe case of jetlag and blisters on
>my feet from walking in N.Y.C. :-)
>Thanks to you, John, for reporting to the list my situation. Terribly sorry I
>couldn't make it to Washington and meet you and Don. Maybe another time, as I
>really feel like coming back to the US. Great country, extremely friendly and
>polite people but ... the Big Apple was too much for this old fart. I am glad
>I saw it but next time, it will be the American countryside.
>I loved the Hudson valley and the Catskills mountains. Our first evening meal
>in the US was at Hacienda, a Mexican restaurant in West Point, where the
>Cadets were celebrating with the Mexicans the Cinco de Mayo (national day).
>What a great example of a harmonious multi-ethnical nation!
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
With the ADIZ and secret trxp codes required for flying in the DC area i
wanted to add a handheld radio to comply with the requirement to monitor
Emergency Channel in case of interception or direction.
I have a micro air currently but was wondering if someone could point me
in the right direction adding a handheld radio to the mix?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Lockwood says no more than 45 degrees diff between the EGTs. Mine are
around 65-85 through the higher RPM's. difference. Front being higher.
What would you guys suggest i check besides the carb sync adjustment.
Tubes are rising equall there as i dbl checked them?
Suggestions?
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a radio |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I've got a used A-3 without much wear. Basically it sat in the box until the
nicads weren't any good any more. I shipped it off to Icom and had it
checked over. It's the small one...perfect for velcro to the panel...anyway,
I've tried it and it works pretty good. If you interested in it I'd let it
go for $175 plus shipping.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Adding a radio
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> With the ADIZ and secret trxp codes required for flying in the DC area i
> wanted to add a handheld radio to comply with the requirement to monitor
> Emergency Channel in case of interception or direction.
> I have a micro air currently but was wondering if someone could point me
> in the right direction adding a handheld radio to the mix?
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Stick it to him John, he asked, we told him, and he ignored our advice. I
wonder if all the good experience and advice we give him about flying goes
ignored also? :-)
Sid
Michael,
Now you can rest your tired bones. If you would have made it to the
Washington area, you could have flown in a Kitfox over the green Virginia
country side and the Allegheny Mountains. Being a pilot we would have taken
you to the new Air & Space Museum at Dulles Airport. It houses the Air
France Supersonic Jet, the Space Shuttle, the Enola Gay WW2 B-29, and a lot
of the WW2 fighters. You can walk around and look at those flying machines
all day in one big building and they have free guided tours where they
explain the history of each aircraft. It cost nothing to get in, except for
a $12.00 parking fee.
To show some of what you missed, I will send some pictures that I took while
there, directly to your e-mail. Do Not Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a radio |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
I need to figure out what the alternatives are for hooking up a
secondary radio first.
I was hoping the post would generate some ideas on the intercom and
monitoring prior to deciding which
radio will work best. But will keep you in mind!
Steve Cooper wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
>I've got a used A-3 without much wear. Basically it sat in the box until the
>nicads weren't any good any more. I shipped it off to Icom and had it
>checked over. It's the small one...perfect for velcro to the panel...anyway,
>I've tried it and it works pretty good. If you interested in it I'd let it
>go for $175 plus shipping.
>
>Steve
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Adding a radio
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>With the ADIZ and secret trxp codes required for flying in the DC area i
>>wanted to add a handheld radio to comply with the requirement to monitor
>>Emergency Channel in case of interception or direction.
>>I have a micro air currently but was wondering if someone could point me
>>in the right direction adding a handheld radio to the mix?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: routing brake lines - Kitfox 2 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 5/11/2004 11:00:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
recommended method to pass 3/16 od "nylaflow" brakeline tubing through
fuselage covering?
I used drain grommets on mine.
William Willyard
Classic IV
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
You could richen the front needle by 1 notch,
or lean the rear 1 notch, and see if this fixes it.
bh
> Lockwood says no more than 45 degrees diff between the EGTs. Mine are
> around 65-85 through the higher RPM's. difference. Front being higher.
> What would you guys suggest i check besides the carb sync adjustment.
> Tubes are rising equall there as i dbl checked them?
>
> Suggestions?
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| Subject: | Skystars new Website forum needs our help! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
All:
I've noticed on Skystars new website forum (www.skystar.com) that there are
a lot of inexperienced, unexposed, Kitfox "wannabe's" asking questions that
most of you on this forum could expertly answer. So I'd like to twist a few
of your arms by suggesting you occassionally jump onto that site and help
them out with their questions. Not only would it help these people with
their questions, but you might even help Skystar sell a plane or two? The
more the merrier. Right?
I'm certain these newcomers would truly appreciate the groups input. And
what could impress them more than knowing they would be joining an active
and helpful fraternity of other Kitfox owners? Plus, weren't we all Kitfox
wannabe's at one time????
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Skystars new Website forum needs our help! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Paul, that is an excellent suggestion. I will post a message there telling
the Skystar group about this group.
Don Pearsall
Admin.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystars new Website forum needs our help!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
All:
I've noticed on Skystars new website forum (www.skystar.com) that there are
a lot of inexperienced, unexposed, Kitfox "wannabe's" asking questions that
most of you on this forum could expertly answer. So I'd like to twist a few
of your arms by suggesting you occassionally jump onto that site and help
them out with their questions. Not only would it help these people with
their questions, but you might even help Skystar sell a plane or two? The
more the merrier. Right?
I'm certain these newcomers would truly appreciate the groups input. And
what could impress them more than knowing they would be joining an active
and helpful fraternity of other Kitfox owners? Plus, weren't we all Kitfox
wannabe's at one time????
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: A New Fox Takes to the Air |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Paul and Mike,
If I may interject...
If you look at Michael Gibbs' pictures, the door
frames are much wider at the seat area. It appears
that the front door frames are the same as normal from
the front to the top rear. But the lower and back
frames are widened diagonally making the doors spread
out.
This looks like a very well thought out idea!
Kurt S.
> Paul asks:
>
> >- Can you provide us with a few picture of the
> widening of the fuselage
> <http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/Wide-Body.jpg>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Rick and Andy,
Do you mean the Aeroflash type units that have strobe,
wing and tail lights all in one unit? Both SS and ACS
sell them, but I think they want your first born in
exchange. Over $400 a set. SS has the wing tip
adaptors to mount them too. Last I saw they were $12.
Kurt S.
--- Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Andy, I am not sure there is such a thing for the
> Fox. Wing tip lighs yes,
> position and strobes yes, but dont think I have seen
> them all combined like
> in an RV. I have a set of landing lights that I
> havent installed yet, but
> the plane is done so just havent done that. I Put a
> couple in the cowl as a
> compromise time thing.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Lights
>
> I don't suppose anyone on the list might have a set
> of wingtip lights with
> strobes and position lights that they might want to
> get rid of. That's the
> only thing I haven't done on my wings and I'm about
> ready to cover. Thanks.
>
> Andy F.
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