---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/12/04: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:25 AM - Lightspeed headsets (Lyle Persels) 2. 06:44 AM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (flier) 3. 07:32 AM - Re: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers (Floran Higgins) 4. 08:17 AM - Re: Michel in NYC (michel) 5. 09:51 AM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 6. 10:27 AM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (Rick) 7. 10:29 AM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (Rick) 8. 10:32 AM - Re: Need Lights (Rick) 9. 10:49 AM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (David & Maria Lumgair) 10. 11:21 AM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (Bob Unternaehrer) 11. 02:35 PM - Re: Fuel Gauges for kitfox (flier) 12. 02:59 PM - Re: A New Fox Takes to the Air (Michael Gibbs) 13. 04:52 PM - Re: Lightspeed headsets (Thomas Lee) 14. 05:27 PM - Re: Michel in NYC (John E. King) 15. 05:31 PM - Adding a radio (jareds) 16. 05:31 PM - 582 EGT (jareds) 17. 05:59 PM - Re: Adding a radio (Steve Cooper) 18. 06:14 PM - NYC (hausding, sid) 19. 06:46 PM - Re: Adding a radio (jareds) 20. 06:58 PM - Re: routing brake lines - Kitfox 2 (Wwillyard@aol.com) 21. 08:32 PM - Re: 582 EGT (Bruce Harrington) 22. 09:04 PM - Skystars new Website forum needs our help! (Paul Seehafer) 23. 09:18 PM - Re: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! (Don Pearsall) 24. 10:58 PM - Re: A New Fox Takes to the Air (kurt schrader) 25. 11:08 PM - Re: Need Lights (kurt schrader) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:32 AM PST US From: Lyle Persels Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help me? Lyle Persels ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:26 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Greg, Just my 2 cents of course but fuel gauges would seem to be more trouble than they're worth. The sight guages are fool proof and the simplest solution. I'm putting a guage in my Nieuport but only because I can't see the fuel tank under the cowling and a float guage would require an open hole in the top of the tank. Two float sensors, two electrical circuits with fuses to short, and two guages to go bad or out of calibration just seems like a lot of unnecessary complexity. Again, just my opinion. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "*" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "*" > >Just wondering, > >has anyone replaced the sight fuel gauges with panel mount electronic >sender-gauge type gauges? > >I'm working on a KF IV rebuild and planning a new panel layout and was >thinking that it would be nice to have panel mounted fuel gauges. > >thanks >greg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:21 AM PST US From: "Floran Higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" Kurt I have nearly 50 years of experience flying in the mountains. I agree with most of your conclusions. Floran H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > John and all, > > I think Michael did use the sky as a playground and we > admired him for it, but this is my guess on his > accident. Just a guess... Read only for the possible > lesson value please. I am not trying to be morbid. I > liked him a lot too. > > His plane probably was in balance, but heavy with the > stuff he traveled with. He was close to the ground, > but high in density altitude. This is where mountain > experienced and more conservative pilots will leave > extra room for themselves. Desert Fox Squadron pilots > can comment on this better. > > I suspect that Mike didn't understand the warnings he > was given to turn around, because he expected near > sealevel performance so close to the ground. He liked > the view. He liked the thrill and the performance he > expected. A shrugged the warnings off. > > But when he powered up to climb out, little happened > due to the DA. Flying in a narrow canyon and near the > middle, there is little room to turn. Trying to > climb, he had already bled off speed with surprisingy > little results. In only seconds he had no real > option, but he tried to turn. Tight bank and canyon > wall coming up fast. Rudder to help the turn. Pull > hard to avoid the wall. Stall and spin. Maybe a > cropduster pilot might have made it, given a lot of > maneuver experience close to the ground. Probably > not. > > Michael was not the first to do this nor the last by a > long shot. This is a very often repeated story. > There is in fact, another famous marker very near his. > Plane type and battery location have nothing to do > with it. > > Even helo pilots do it. If it will not hover at > 10,000', it doesn't much matter that you are 3' AGl on > a mountain side. It will fall just like it always > does from 10,000'. I learned a lot and saw a lot in > just 2 months of helo flying in Northern Norway. Lost > 5 friends there. Lost 2 more friends in the > Philippines. Okinawa too. California. North > Carolina. All mountains and valleys... > > If the plane is in CG, it really doesn't matter > aerodynamically that it was achieved by the battery > being aft to balance out the heavy engine. The > position of the CG to the CL in the spin is the > controlling weight factor. Only if he was CG too far > aft would that matter. And that applies to any plane > no matter where the battery is. Aft CG is bad. Guess > that is why I am happy to fight with and still keep a > forward CG. > > In other words, I think his plane was just fine and > not a contributing factor. If he had spun it from > 2000' AGL, it would have had no problem getting in or > out of the spin in a few 100 feet like any other Fox > within CG limits would. But he was right there in a > hole when it started with most of the ground already > over his head. If he recovered, in which direction > would he have been pointing? 80% chance right at a > wall. Where is the horizon? Spins are confusing > enough. I wasn't there, but I know I would have been > in trouble if I was. IMHO > > For those who have spun a IV, how many turns did it > take to recover after the first full turn? I > understand 2 turns after corrective control input is > made, is pretty normal. (I suspect that with floats > on, it would not spin the same, or recover the same. > Don't know myself, but that would not seem to be a > valid comparison for those who have done it.) > > I think it was just high DA and no real mountain > experience here. We could all wish for a turbo 914 or > Turbo NSI to help, but then some pilots would just > press on that much more. This was repeated by 3 of 4 > Bonanzas from a flying club out of CA shortly after > Michael, as I remember. I know of a Navy P-3 that did > almost the same thing in Hawaii too. > > There are some well proven mountain and canyon lessons > learned the hard way. Here are a few: > > 1. You may only get one chance to get it right. Plan > ahead. > 2. Fly down canyon, not up. > 3. Consider DA! > 4. Don't fly in the middle of the valley or canyon. > Always leave room to turn. > 5. Where do you go if the engine quits? Plan for it. > 6. Consider wind effects on the canyon. One side > will have updrafts and the other side down drafts. > The size of the canyon can change which side is the up > side. > > Just my humble opinion only. > > Kurt S. > > --- JMCBEAN wrote: > > > > John, > > Talk was that he had spun his aircraft > > before intentionally. > > > > Blue Skies!! > > John & Debra McBean > > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John E. King > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mass distribution WAS: The > > Jury is in Foxers > > > > To Kurt, Bob, Michel & Others, > > > > This discussion has led one of my friends and I to > > think about Michael > > Harter's problem in that Arizona blind canon. His > > Model IV-1200 was powered > > by a Subaru. To correct for the forward CG he > > mounted the battery way back > > in the tail section. We were told by a whiteness > > that he completed 2 1/2 > > turns prior to impact. The question has come to > > mind, whether Michael > > Harter could have been a victim of non-recovery from > > his spin because of the > > extreme aft placement of his battery? > > > > -- > > John King > > Warrenton, VA > > > __________________________________ > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:49 AM PST US From: michel Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Michel in NYC --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel >===== Original Message From kurt schrader >When I go on the road, I just drop in to the local >library and read my e-mail there. A library? Thanks Curt, why didn't I think of that? Anyway, I am back in Norway now, with a severe case of jetlag and blisters on my feet from walking in N.Y.C. :-) Thanks to you, John, for reporting to the list my situation. Terribly sorry I couldn't make it to Washington and meet you and Don. Maybe another time, as I really feel like coming back to the US. Great country, extremely friendly and polite people but ... the Big Apple was too much for this old fart. I am glad I saw it but next time, it will be the American countryside. I loved the Hudson valley and the Catskills mountains. Our first evening meal in the US was at Hacienda, a Mexican restaurant in West Point, where the Cadets were celebrating with the Mexicans the Cinco de Mayo (national day). What a great example of a harmonious multi-ethnical nation! Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:59 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 5/12/04 6:50:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FLIER@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Two float sensors, two electrical circuits with fuses > to short, and two guages to go bad or out of > calibration just seems like a lot of unnecessary > complexity. > > Again, just my opinion. > > Regards, > > Ted > Ted, After having done it, I would tend to fully agree. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:52 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Yep, put in a JPI fuel flow instrument. You will be glad you did. It can be coupled to various GPS units for a lot of information and piece of mind. Mine may be off 1/10 of a gal at fill up, maybe. Looking up at the sight tube add piece of mind in a pinch. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 5/12/04 6:50:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FLIER@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Two float sensors, two electrical circuits with fuses > to short, and two guages to go bad or out of > calibration just seems like a lot of unnecessary > complexity. > > Again, just my opinion. > > Regards, > > Ted > Ted, After having done it, I would tend to fully agree. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:02 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" The phone number should be in the headset batter box, call em up I cant remember but it was a fair price. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lyle Persels Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help me? Lyle Persels ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:14 AM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need Lights --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Andy, I am not sure there is such a thing for the Fox. Wing tip lighs yes, position and strobes yes, but dont think I have seen them all combined like in an RV. I have a set of landing lights that I havent installed yet, but the plane is done so just havent done that. I Put a couple in the cowl as a compromise time thing. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Lights --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" I don't suppose anyone on the list might have a set of wingtip lights with strobes and position lights that they might want to get rid of. That's the only thing I haven't done on my wings and I'm about ready to cover. Thanks. Andy F. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:44 AM PST US From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" I just sent them my 15XL for repair - first time in 5 years I've ha a problem and it was MY fault. They offered me an upgrade. Try Calling them.. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Persels" Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels > > I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their > headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help > me? Lyle Persels > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:29 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I got the new "latest and greatest" lightspeeds at OSK last year and haven't been very happy with them. First of all my cell phone connnector wouldn't work with them and the ear seals don't seem to be as good as my old 15XL. I get static in the earpieces unless I hold pressure in on the earpieces. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" > > I just sent them my 15XL for repair - first time in 5 years I've ha a > problem and it was MY fault. They offered me an upgrade. Try Calling > them.. dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyle Persels" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels > > > > I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their > > headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help > > me? Lyle Persels > > > > > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:00 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" That's the nice thing about experimentals, to each his own! My only fuel flow indicator is lookin' up at those plastic tubes from time to time... --- Original Message --- From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel Gauges for kitfox >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" > >Yep, put in a JPI fuel flow instrument. You will be glad you did. It can be >coupled to various GPS units for a lot of information and piece of mind. >Mine may be off 1/10 of a gal at fill up, maybe. Looking up at the sight >tube add piece of mind in a pinch. > >Rick > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:25 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A New Fox Takes to the Air --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs Paul asks: >- Where did you put your header tank now that the baggage area occupies that >space? >- Can you provide us with a few picture of the widening of the fuselage that >are as good as the baggage area you did? >- Where did you locate your com antenna? In the fuselage or wings? Does it >work well there? The header tank is behind the passenger seat back. It is an aluminum tank that Murle Williams welded up for me (he sells them, too). It is mounted directly behind the passenger backrest, extending from the floor up to about the midpoint of the seat back. It holds about 1-1/2 gallons. The photos I posted on the wide-body modification are the only ones I have, sorry. At this point, new pictures would only show a lot of green fabric :-) The comm antennas are in the vertical tail. #1 is just behind the leading edge and slopes back with the tubing, while #2 is mounted just forward of the tube that supports the rudder. I have noticed some directional issues with the #2 comm radio that I suspect are antenna related. Directly in front of the plane, maybe 10 degrees wide, is an area of poor reception. I plan to swap the antenna connectors on the radios to confirm that it is antenna-related. Mike ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:19 PM PST US From: Thomas Lee Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee I have been using 20K for 5 years and I like it. Just now I called the repair center 800-332-2421 and the lady gave me the following info:- I can upgrade to model 30-3G which costs $599 and they take my used 20k for $200. However, this model is not particularly suitable for the engine noise of Rotax 912 UL. She recommended QFR, XCC cross country model at $379, but won't take back any used set. I am still researching. thomas. Vixen. >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" > >I just sent them my 15XL for repair - first time in 5 years I've ha a >problem and it was MY fault. They offered me an upgrade. Try Calling >them.. dave > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lyle Persels" >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Lightspeed headsets > > > > >> >>I know Lightspeed at one time had an exchange/upgrade program for their >>headsets. I can't seem to find any current information. Can anyone help >>me? Lyle Persels >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:43 PM PST US From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Michel in NYC --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " Michael, Now you can rest your tired bones. If you would have made it to the Washington area, you could have flown in a Kitfox over the green Virginia country side and the Allegheny Mountains. Being a pilot we would have taken you to the new Air & Space Museum at Dulles Airport. It houses the Air France Supersonic Jet, the Space Shuttle, the Enola Gay WW2 B-29, and a lot of the WW2 fighters. You can walk around and look at those flying machines all day in one big building and they have free guided tours where they explain the history of each aircraft. It cost nothing to get in, except for a $12.00 parking fee. To show some of what you missed, I will send some pictures that I took while there, directly to your e-mail. Do Not Archive. -- John King Warrenton, VA michel wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel > > > >>===== Original Message From kurt schrader >>When I go on the road, I just drop in to the local >>library and read my e-mail there. >> >> > >A library? Thanks Curt, why didn't I think of that? >Anyway, I am back in Norway now, with a severe case of jetlag and blisters on >my feet from walking in N.Y.C. :-) >Thanks to you, John, for reporting to the list my situation. Terribly sorry I >couldn't make it to Washington and meet you and Don. Maybe another time, as I >really feel like coming back to the US. Great country, extremely friendly and >polite people but ... the Big Apple was too much for this old fart. I am glad >I saw it but next time, it will be the American countryside. >I loved the Hudson valley and the Catskills mountains. Our first evening meal >in the US was at Hacienda, a Mexican restaurant in West Point, where the >Cadets were celebrating with the Mexicans the Cinco de Mayo (national day). >What a great example of a harmonious multi-ethnical nation! > >Cheers, >Michel > >do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:38 PM PST US From: jareds Subject: Kitfox-List: Adding a radio --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds With the ADIZ and secret trxp codes required for flying in the DC area i wanted to add a handheld radio to comply with the requirement to monitor Emergency Channel in case of interception or direction. I have a micro air currently but was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction adding a handheld radio to the mix? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:52 PM PST US From: jareds Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds Lockwood says no more than 45 degrees diff between the EGTs. Mine are around 65-85 through the higher RPM's. difference. Front being higher. What would you guys suggest i check besides the carb sync adjustment. Tubes are rising equall there as i dbl checked them? Suggestions? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:54 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Adding a radio --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" I've got a used A-3 without much wear. Basically it sat in the box until the nicads weren't any good any more. I shipped it off to Icom and had it checked over. It's the small one...perfect for velcro to the panel...anyway, I've tried it and it works pretty good. If you interested in it I'd let it go for $175 plus shipping. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "jareds" Subject: Kitfox-List: Adding a radio > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds > > With the ADIZ and secret trxp codes required for flying in the DC area i > wanted to add a handheld radio to comply with the requirement to monitor > Emergency Channel in case of interception or direction. > I have a micro air currently but was wondering if someone could point me > in the right direction adding a handheld radio to the mix? > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:27 PM PST US From: "hausding, sid" Subject: Kitfox-List: NYC --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" Stick it to him John, he asked, we told him, and he ignored our advice. I wonder if all the good experience and advice we give him about flying goes ignored also? :-) Sid Michael, Now you can rest your tired bones. If you would have made it to the Washington area, you could have flown in a Kitfox over the green Virginia country side and the Allegheny Mountains. Being a pilot we would have taken you to the new Air & Space Museum at Dulles Airport. It houses the Air France Supersonic Jet, the Space Shuttle, the Enola Gay WW2 B-29, and a lot of the WW2 fighters. You can walk around and look at those flying machines all day in one big building and they have free guided tours where they explain the history of each aircraft. It cost nothing to get in, except for a $12.00 parking fee. To show some of what you missed, I will send some pictures that I took while there, directly to your e-mail. Do Not Archive. -- John King Warrenton, VA ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:17 PM PST US From: jareds Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Adding a radio --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds I need to figure out what the alternatives are for hooking up a secondary radio first. I was hoping the post would generate some ideas on the intercom and monitoring prior to deciding which radio will work best. But will keep you in mind! Steve Cooper wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" > >I've got a used A-3 without much wear. Basically it sat in the box until the >nicads weren't any good any more. I shipped it off to Icom and had it >checked over. It's the small one...perfect for velcro to the panel...anyway, >I've tried it and it works pretty good. If you interested in it I'd let it >go for $175 plus shipping. > >Steve >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jareds" >To: >Subject: Kitfox-List: Adding a radio > > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds >> >>With the ADIZ and secret trxp codes required for flying in the DC area i >>wanted to add a handheld radio to comply with the requirement to monitor >>Emergency Channel in case of interception or direction. >>I have a micro air currently but was wondering if someone could point me >>in the right direction adding a handheld radio to the mix? >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:57 PM PST US From: Wwillyard@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: routing brake lines - Kitfox 2 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com In a message dated 5/11/2004 11:00:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, msm_9949@yahoo.com writes: recommended method to pass 3/16 od "nylaflow" brakeline tubing through fuselage covering? I used drain grommets on mine. William Willyard Classic IV ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:15 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" You could richen the front needle by 1 notch, or lean the rear 1 notch, and see if this fixes it. bh > Lockwood says no more than 45 degrees diff between the EGTs. Mine are > around 65-85 through the higher RPM's. difference. Front being higher. > What would you guys suggest i check besides the carb sync adjustment. > Tubes are rising equall there as i dbl checked them? > > Suggestions? ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:42 PM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" All: I've noticed on Skystars new website forum (www.skystar.com) that there are a lot of inexperienced, unexposed, Kitfox "wannabe's" asking questions that most of you on this forum could expertly answer. So I'd like to twist a few of your arms by suggesting you occassionally jump onto that site and help them out with their questions. Not only would it help these people with their questions, but you might even help Skystar sell a plane or two? The more the merrier. Right? I'm certain these newcomers would truly appreciate the groups input. And what could impress them more than knowing they would be joining an active and helpful fraternity of other Kitfox owners? Plus, weren't we all Kitfox wannabe's at one time???? Paul Seehafer Wisconsin ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:09 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Paul, that is an excellent suggestion. I will post a message there telling the Skystar group about this group. Don Pearsall Admin. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" All: I've noticed on Skystars new website forum (www.skystar.com) that there are a lot of inexperienced, unexposed, Kitfox "wannabe's" asking questions that most of you on this forum could expertly answer. So I'd like to twist a few of your arms by suggesting you occassionally jump onto that site and help them out with their questions. Not only would it help these people with their questions, but you might even help Skystar sell a plane or two? The more the merrier. Right? I'm certain these newcomers would truly appreciate the groups input. And what could impress them more than knowing they would be joining an active and helpful fraternity of other Kitfox owners? Plus, weren't we all Kitfox wannabe's at one time???? Paul Seehafer Wisconsin advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:41 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A New Fox Takes to the Air --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Paul and Mike, If I may interject... If you look at Michael Gibbs' pictures, the door frames are much wider at the seat area. It appears that the front door frames are the same as normal from the front to the top rear. But the lower and back frames are widened diagonally making the doors spread out. This looks like a very well thought out idea! Kurt S. > Paul asks: > > >- Can you provide us with a few picture of the > widening of the fuselage > __________________________________ http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:13 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need Lights --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Rick and Andy, Do you mean the Aeroflash type units that have strobe, wing and tail lights all in one unit? Both SS and ACS sell them, but I think they want your first born in exchange. Over $400 a set. SS has the wing tip adaptors to mount them too. Last I saw they were $12. Kurt S. --- Rick wrote: > > Andy, I am not sure there is such a thing for the > Fox. Wing tip lighs yes, > position and strobes yes, but dont think I have seen > them all combined like > in an RV. I have a set of landing lights that I > havent installed yet, but > the plane is done so just havent done that. I Put a > couple in the cowl as a > compromise time thing. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Lights > > I don't suppose anyone on the list might have a set > of wingtip lights with > strobes and position lights that they might want to > get rid of. That's the > only thing I haven't done on my wings and I'm about > ready to cover. Thanks. > > Andy F. __________________________________ http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861