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1. 03:59 AM - Re: 582 EGT (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: NYC (michel)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! (Marc Arseneault)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: 582 EGT (jareds)
5. 09:15 AM - Re: NYC (kurt schrader)
6. 09:19 AM - Re: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers (kurt schrader)
7. 09:45 AM - Avid dropping out in flair (Steve Cooper)
8. 10:38 AM - Re: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers (Floran Higgins)
9. 12:40 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Steve Zakreski)
10. 01:21 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Steve Cooper)
11. 02:35 PM - Garmin Dealer? (Clifford Begnaud)
12. 03:15 PM - Re: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! (John Larsen)
13. 03:53 PM - Re: Garmin Dealer? (Steve Cooper)
14. 04:04 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Jim Burke)
15. 04:36 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Steve Zakreski)
16. 04:46 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Steve Cooper)
17. 05:13 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
18. 05:38 PM - Re: 582 EGT (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
19. 07:00 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Jerry Liles)
20. 07:07 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Steve Cooper)
21. 07:08 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flair (Steve Cooper)
22. 07:16 PM - Re: Avid dropping out in flai (Jerry L.) (Steve Cooper)
23. 08:44 PM - Re: 582 EGT (david yeamans)
24. 09:34 PM - Re: 582 EGT (Bob Robertson)
25. 10:17 PM - Re: 582 EGT (Brian Peck)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/12/04 5:39:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jareds@verizon.net writes:
> What would you guys suggest i check besides the carb sync adjustment.
> Tubes are rising equall there as i dbl checked them?
>
>
Jared,
First, try to swap the EGT probes and see if the problem might be
instrumentation between cylinders. I have a difference that pushes the spec.
I
swapped probes and found that the high temp cylinder went with the probe.
Second, is your difference at full throttle or mid range cruise?
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
> Stick it to him John, he asked, we told him, and he ignored our advice. I
>wonder if all the good experience and advice we give him about flying goes
>ignored also? :-)
Argh! You like to rub it in, don't you, Sid? :-)
But to paraphrase General Mac Arthur (who went to West Point, as I learned),
I'll say: "I shall return!"
Torgeir has just sent me a nice welcome-home email and together we might plan
to come and visit you, guys, one day. We'll call it: "In the footstep of Leif
Erickson - the Return of the Vikings!" :-)
BTW, Kurt, you were right, nobody would even notice me in Central Park,
wearing a viking helmet and a tutu! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Skystars new Website forum needs our help! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
I think that is a great idea Paul!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada From: "Paul Seehafer" av8rps@tznet.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:57:53 -0700 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" av8rps@tznet.com All: I've noticed on Skystars new website forum (www.skystar.com) that there are a lot of inexperienced, unexposed, Kitfox "wannabe's" asking questions that most of you on this forum could expertly answer. So I'd like to twist a few of your arms by suggesting you occassionally jump onto that site and help them out with their questions. Not only would it help these people with their questions, but you might even help Skystar sell a plane or two? The more the merrier. Right? I'm certain these newcomers would truly appreciate the groups input. And what could impress them more than
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Its in the higher RPMs that i took the time to write down these numbers
this year!
Won't moving the clip on one of the carbs effect this drastically. I
thought the clips need to be in same position for both?
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 5/12/04 5:39:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>jareds@verizon.net writes:
>
>
>
>
>>What would you guys suggest i check besides the carb sync adjustment.
>>Tubes are rising equall there as i dbl checked them?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Jared,
> First, try to swap the EGT probes and see if the problem might be
>instrumentation between cylinders. I have a difference that pushes the spec.
I
>swapped probes and found that the high temp cylinder went with the probe.
> Second, is your difference at full throttle or mid range cruise?
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
See Michel,
If you would have gone to D.C..... They would have
taken good care of you. In most cases, it would have
been better then Central Park, though I am sure you
had some chances to laugh there too. :-)
There is just too much fun to be had here. You can't
see it all on such a little visit. Earn your jet lag.
Stay longer! Bring Torgier too. Plan for a month.
Go to the library and send us reports. Take digital
pics. Lots of Pics. Fly with us in our Fox's and see
the countryside. Be the Little Prince and visit our
planet. We really aren't much like those news reports
or Hollywood movies at all. And now you speak the
language too - Aviation!
Oh, tell me about jet lag.... Ouch.
Kurt S.
__________________________________
http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861
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| Subject: | Re: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I yield to your vast experience. Mine is only
half-vast. :-) Wish I could spend some time flying
around with you and learn a little more. Someday my
Fox will be a Montain Fox.
Kurt S.
--- Floran Higgins <CliffH@outdrs.net> wrote:
>
> Kurt
> I have nearly 50 years of experience flying in the
> mountains. I agree with most of your conclusions.
> Floran H.
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| Subject: | Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair problem.
To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot bag I
placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect of
the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.) and
shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane flys
better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy to
drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the aircraft
that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem was
that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess the
moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and continued to
fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure to
fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge of
landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
I used to training lessons to pilot groups on how to fly low level safely
in the mountains. If you are really interested call me by phone sometime and
we can discuss it.
Floran H.
406-442-4540
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mass distribution WAS: The Jury is in Foxers
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I yield to your vast experience. Mine is only
> half-vast. :-) Wish I could spend some time flying
> around with you and learn a little more. Someday my
> Fox will be a Montain Fox.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Floran Higgins <CliffH@outdrs.net> wrote:
> >
> > Kurt
> > I have nearly 50 years of experience flying in the
> > mountains. I agree with most of your conclusions.
> > Floran H.
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861
>
>
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| Subject: | Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
SteveC
Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair problem.
To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot bag I
placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect of
the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.) and
shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane flys
better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy to
drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the aircraft
that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem was
that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess the
moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and continued to
fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure to
fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge of
landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
My most forward CG was 12.35 with a forward limit of 11.185. After the lead
weight I now have 14.61. Aft limit is 16.5" Most aft CG is: 15.92. That is
with full fuel,
30 lbs luggage and two big people..
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> SteveC
>
> Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair
problem.
> To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
> weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
> weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot bag
I
> placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
> indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect
of
> the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.)
and
> shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane flys
> better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy to
> drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the aircraft
> that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem was
> that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess the
> moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and continued
to
> fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure to
> fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge
of
> landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
>
> Steve
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Does anyone know of a Garmin dealer that would have a Garmin 296 in stock?
Everyone seems to be out of stock.
Thanks,
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Another great idea!! Why doesn't Skystar refer these people to this list?
Marc Arseneault wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
>I think that is a great idea Paul!
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Marc Arseneault
>Ontario Canada From: "Paul Seehafer" av8rps@tznet.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystars new Website forum needs our help! Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:57:53 -0700 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" av8rps@tznet.com All: I've noticed on Skystars new website forum (www.skystar.com) that there are a lot of inexperienced, unexposed, Kitfox "wannabe's" asking questions that most of you on this forum could expertly answer. So I'd like to twist a few of your arms by suggesting you occassionally jump onto that site and help them out with their questions. Not only would it help these people with their questions, but you might even help Skystar sell a plane or two? The more the merrier. Right? I'm certain these newcomers would truly appreciate the groups input. And what could impress them more than
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Dealer? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
the reasons I bought a 196 and saved $500.
1. The color unit draws a lot more current. My 196 will run for 12 hours on
a new set of Duracells.
2. who needs terrain following in a Kitfox?.
3. It is difficult to see the color on the 296 in bright sunlight.
I looked at a 295 (marine/color) when I bought my 196 and decided I'd give
them a couple more generations before I opted for color.
Have you tried Ebay?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Garmin Dealer?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Does anyone know of a Garmin dealer that would have a Garmin 296 in stock?
> Everyone seems to be out of stock.
> Thanks,
> Cliff
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Steve just curious, What it your tail weight now with the extra 6 lbs in the
tail.
James E. Burke
(N94JE)
-------Original Message-------
From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
My most forward CG was 12.35 with a forward limit of 11.185. After the lead
weight I now have 14.61. Aft limit is 16.5" Most aft CG is: 15.92. That is
with full fuel,
30 lbs luggage and two big people..
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> SteveC
>
> Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair
problem.
> To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
> weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
> weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot bag
I
> placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
> indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect
of
> the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.)
and
> shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane flys
> better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy to
> drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the aircraft
> that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem was
> that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess the
> moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and continued
to
> fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure to
> fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge
of
> landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
>
> Steve
>
>
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| Subject: | Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Your current CG with no fuel, no people is 12.35"? Is the AVID CG datum
measured from the wing leading edge at the root? I ask because my empty CG
is on the forward limit and you've got me thinking.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
My most forward CG was 12.35 with a forward limit of 11.185. After the lead
weight I now have 14.61. Aft limit is 16.5" Most aft CG is: 15.92. That is
with full fuel,
30 lbs luggage and two big people..
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> SteveC
>
> Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair
problem.
> To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
> weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
> weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot bag
I
> placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
> indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect
of
> the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.)
and
> shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane flys
> better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy to
> drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the aircraft
> that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem was
> that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess the
> moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and continued
to
> fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure to
> fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge
of
> landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
>
> Steve
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
It's 63 lbs Jim. ...but my arm for the tailwheel is only 133"...pretty short
coupled little bird.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Burke" <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Burke <jeburke94je@direcway.com>
>
> Steve just curious, What it your tail weight now with the extra 6 lbs in
the
> tail.
>
>
> James E. Burke
> (N94JE)
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: 5/13/2004 3:34:52 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> My most forward CG was 12.35 with a forward limit of 11.185. After the
lead
> weight I now have 14.61. Aft limit is 16.5" Most aft CG is: 15.92. That
is
> with full fuel,
> 30 lbs luggage and two big people..
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> >
> > SteveC
> >
> > Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
> >
> > SteveZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair
> problem.
> > To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
> > weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
> > weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot
bag
> I
> > placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
> > indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect
> of
> > the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.)
> and
> > shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane
flys
> > better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy
to
> > drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the
aircraft
> > that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem
was
> > that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess
the
> > moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and
continued
> to
> > fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure
to
> > fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge
> of
> > landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
The Avid and the Kitfox have a different wing and a different leading edge
by about an inch. Don't confuse apples and oranges. There is also a wide
verity of CG's for the avid, just depends on the wind that day, and who you
talked to at Avid.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Zakreski
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Your current CG with no fuel, no people is 12.35"? Is the AVID CG datum
measured from the wing leading edge at the root? I ask because my empty CG
is on the forward limit and you've got me thinking.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
My most forward CG was 12.35 with a forward limit of 11.185. After the lead
weight I now have 14.61. Aft limit is 16.5" Most aft CG is: 15.92. That is
with full fuel,
30 lbs luggage and two big people..
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> SteveC
>
> Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair
problem.
> To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
> weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
> weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot bag
I
> placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
> indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect
of
> the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.)
and
> shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane flys
> better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy to
> drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the aircraft
> that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem was
> that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess the
> moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and continued
to
> fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure to
> fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge
of
> landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
>
> Steve
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Its in the higher RPMs that i took the time to write down these numbers
this year!
Won't moving the clip on one of the carbs effect this drastically. I
thought the clips need to be in same position for both?
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
Jared,
When you are at "FULL" throttle, the "main" jets are doing all the work.
The "clips" are out of the picture at full throttle and only play when at 3/4
throttle or there abouts. Therefore, if your EGT's are off at full throttle,
the main jets might be the problem.. If off at cruise (3/4 throttle) then
the clips might be the problem. I would still question the EGT probes/guages
before I went too much further. Swapping the EGT probes will help settle the
question on whether you have a high temp cylinder or not. You could be chasing
an instrumentation problem
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
The Avid STOL and the Kitfox up through the Kitfox Model 3 have the same
undercambered airfoil designed by Dean Wilson. The Model 4 Fox is
different having the Riblett airfoil with the leading edge addition.
The Avid Speedwing airfoil is unique to Avid. The CG range for the Avid
MK IV Heavy Hauler or STOL and the Speedwing or Aerobat is listed as
11.185" to 16.5" from the leading edge of the wing. I do believe the
earlier model Kitfox (1 - 3) have the same or nearly the same CG range.
I do not know about the Model 4 or later Foxes.
Jerry Liles
Avid MK IV
Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
>
>The Avid and the Kitfox have a different wing and a different leading edge
>by about an inch. Don't confuse apples and oranges. There is also a wide
>verity of CG's for the avid, just depends on the wind that day, and who you
>talked to at Avid.
>
>Noel
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
It WAS Steve ...now it's 13.88 with the 6 lbs. of lead in the tail. Yes,
Avid CG is measured from the leading edge of the wing back. 11.185 to 16.5
inches aft of the leading edge of the wing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Your current CG with no fuel, no people is 12.35"? Is the AVID CG datum
> measured from the wing leading edge at the root? I ask because my empty
CG
> is on the forward limit and you've got me thinking.
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> My most forward CG was 12.35 with a forward limit of 11.185. After the
lead
> weight I now have 14.61. Aft limit is 16.5" Most aft CG is: 15.92. That
is
> with full fuel,
> 30 lbs luggage and two big people..
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> >
> > SteveC
> >
> > Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
> >
> > SteveZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair
> problem.
> > To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
> > weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
> > weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot
bag
> I
> > placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
> > indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect
> of
> > the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.)
> and
> > shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane
flys
> > better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy
to
> > drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the
aircraft
> > that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem
was
> > that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess
the
> > moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and
continued
> to
> > fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure
to
> > fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge
> of
> > landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avid dropping out in flair |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hi Noel! Yep...two distinctly differen't birds.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
<noel@blueskyaviation.net>
>
> The Avid and the Kitfox have a different wing and a different leading edge
> by about an inch. Don't confuse apples and oranges. There is also a wide
> verity of CG's for the avid, just depends on the wind that day, and who
you
> talked to at Avid.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
> Zakreski
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Your current CG with no fuel, no people is 12.35"? Is the AVID CG datum
> measured from the wing leading edge at the root? I ask because my empty
CG
> is on the forward limit and you've got me thinking.
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> My most forward CG was 12.35 with a forward limit of 11.185. After the
lead
> weight I now have 14.61. Aft limit is 16.5" Most aft CG is: 15.92. That
is
> with full fuel,
> 30 lbs luggage and two big people..
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> >
> > SteveC
> >
> > Where did you end up with your weight and balance. (distance from datum)
> >
> > SteveZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Cooper
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I'd like to thank everybody once again for the help with my flair
> problem.
> > To complete the scenario (which may or may not help others) I re-did my
> > weight and balance calculations several times and each time adding more
> > weight to the tail in order to equalize the effects of the 25 lb shot
bag
> I
> > placed in the aft porting of the luggage compartment. My calculation
> > indicated that a 6 lb weight added to the tail would equalize the effect
> of
> > the shot bag. I bought a lead ingot from National Metals(Lancaster, Ca.)
> and
> > shaved it down to the desired weight and got it installed. The plane
flys
> > better than ever. Landings are smooth and predictable with no tendancy
to
> > drop out. It wasn't until I added the shot bag and test flew the
aircraft
> > that I really understood what exactly the plane was doing. The problem
was
> > that the plane did not have a predictable glide. Now it does. I guess
the
> > moral to the story is that I could have ignored the problem and
continued
> to
> > fight my way through the landings...but now the bird is a real pleasure
to
> > fly without the unnecessary complication added to the existing challenge
> of
> > landing a taildragger for a newly minted tailgdragger pilot.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avid dropping out in flai (Jerry L.) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hey Jerry...what do you show as the arm numbers for the tailwheel and the
mains? I'm curious to see if it matches my measurements.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Avid dropping out in flair
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> The Avid STOL and the Kitfox up through the Kitfox Model 3 have the same
> undercambered airfoil designed by Dean Wilson. The Model 4 Fox is
> different having the Riblett airfoil with the leading edge addition.
> The Avid Speedwing airfoil is unique to Avid. The CG range for the Avid
> MK IV Heavy Hauler or STOL and the Speedwing or Aerobat is listed as
> 11.185" to 16.5" from the leading edge of the wing. I do believe the
> earlier model Kitfox (1 - 3) have the same or nearly the same CG range.
> I do not know about the Model 4 or later Foxes.
>
> Jerry Liles
> Avid MK IV
>
> Noel & Yoshie Simmons wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons"
<noel@blueskyaviation.net>
> >
> >The Avid and the Kitfox have a different wing and a different leading
edge
> >by about an inch. Don't confuse apples and oranges. There is also a
wide
> >verity of CG's for the avid, just depends on the wind that day, and who
you
> >talked to at Avid.
> >
> >Noel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Some time ago there was a suggestion concerning the difference in the
EGT's. Mine had been a 200 Degree difference and couldn't solve the
problem. The suggestion was to disconnect the leads to the instrument
and carefully spray them with WD40. I've had the problem more than once,
and it works everytime, and I don't know why for sure, but it does.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: jareds
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Lockwood says no more than 45 degrees diff between the EGTs. Mine are
around 65-85 through the higher RPM's. difference. Front being higher.
What would you guys suggest i check besides the carb sync adjustment.
Tubes are rising equall there as i dbl checked them?
Suggestions?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon1@telusplanet.net>
Hi Don, Jared
Jared, ...Don has it right...swap out the EGT probes and see if the problem
follows the lead. If yes..its a probe problem..if not its an engine
problem.
If your EGT differences are maintained at W.O.T. then Don has it nailed.
The difference is caused by one cylinder being leaner, or richer, than the
other. This can be caused by:
1. Poor (leaky)crankcase seals (in medium use engines these should be
erplaced every 150/175 hours. High use engines can get away with 250 to 300
hrs before requiring change).
2. Stuck piston rings.
3. Improper carburetor float level
4. Float needle not seating properly.
5. Carburetors not in sync.
The engine "should" run perfectly with both carbs set the same. If you
require more that one clip position difference (about a 50 degree F change
per clip position)to even out the temps you should look to some of the above
as culprit.
Hope the above helps
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 EGT
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Its in the higher RPMs that i took the time to write down these numbers
> this year!
> Won't moving the clip on one of the carbs effect this drastically. I
> thought the clips need to be in same position for both?
>
> AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Jared,
> When you are at "FULL" throttle, the "main" jets are doing all the
work.
> The "clips" are out of the picture at full throttle and only play when at
3/4
> throttle or there abouts. Therefore, if your EGT's are off at full
throttle,
> the main jets might be the problem.. If off at cruise (3/4 throttle) then
> the clips might be the problem. I would still question the EGT
probes/guages
> before I went too much further. Swapping the EGT probes will help settle
the
> question on whether you have a high temp cylinder or not. You could be
chasing
> an instrumentation problem
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Brian Peck <u2drvr@dslextreme.com>
On May 13, 2004, at 8:40 PM, david yeamans wrote:
> The suggestion was to disconnect the leads to the instrument
> and carefully spray them with WD40. I've had the problem more than
> once,
> and it works everytime, and I don't know why for sure, but it does.
>
If WD40 is solving this problem then you are most likely getting
moisture in the leads... the WD stands for Water Dispersant, which was
the original intent for the product.
Cheers,
Brian Peck
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