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1. 01:32 AM - OT: Flying high! (michel)
2. 02:00 AM - Re: OT: Flying high! (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
3. 04:01 AM - Re: How much toe-in is too much? (Fox5flyer)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: How much toe-in is too much? (Lowell Fitt)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: Fw: gasoline (Steve Zakreski)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: How much toe-in is too much? (Lowell Fitt)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Fuel staining (Kitfox)
8. 07:26 AM - Re: Slipping (JMCBEAN)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: Slipping (Rick)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: Fw: gasoline (Clifford Begnaud)
11. 08:42 AM - Re: How much toe-in is too much? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
12. 09:27 AM - Avgas Stains (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
13. 11:02 AM - Re: Fw: gasoline (kurt schrader)
14. 11:18 AM - Re: How much toe-in is too much? (kurt schrader)
15. 11:30 AM - Re: Slipping (Bob Unternaehrer)
16. 12:15 PM - Re: Slipping (Ted Palamarek)
17. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Slipping ()
18. 01:48 PM - (Bob Unternaehrer)
19. 02:04 PM - Re: 582 EGT (Michel Verheughe)
20. 02:25 PM - Re: Fw: gasoline (David Dawe)
21. 02:32 PM - Re: Fw: gasoline (David Dawe)
22. 02:41 PM - Re: (Fox5flyer)
23. 03:23 PM - Re: (Bob Unternaehrer)
24. 04:19 PM - Re: Avgas Stains (Bruce Lina)
25. 04:40 PM - Garmin GPSmap 196. The good and the bad (Roger Rockwell)
26. 05:01 PM - Re: (Fox5flyer)
27. 07:06 PM - Re: Fw: gasoline (dwight purdy)
28. 07:09 PM - Re: (Bob Unternaehrer)
29. 08:06 PM - Re: How much toe-in is too much? (Roger Standley)
30. 08:06 PM - Re: Slipping (Roger Standley)
31. 08:33 PM - Re: Slipping (david yeamans)
32. 08:50 PM - Re: Slipping (Steve Cooper)
33. 10:49 PM - Re: Fw: gasoline (jimshumaker)
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| Subject: | OT: Flying high! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
Off-topic:
Microlight plane towing handglider flies over Everest:
http://www.flymicro.com/everest/index.cfm
Enjoy,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: OT: Flying high! |
18/05/2004 09:57:17,
Serialize complete at 18/05/2004 09:57:17
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Quite amazing. Any ideas if these were the same guys that produced that
video called Dacron Eagles a few years back?
Nice to see that they got some decent sponsorship. Two of our mates from
South Africa have also undertaken quite a serious challenge, flying all
around the world in trikes. Check out http://www.safreedomflight.com/ ,
however never got much from the sponsors. Pity, they have done really well
so far.
Regards
Roger
do not archive
michel <michel@online.no>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
Off-topic:
Microlight plane towing handglider flies over Everest:
http://www.flymicro.com/everest/index.cfm
Enjoy,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: How much toe-in is too much? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Well, maybe it's a real dumb question, but wouldn't reversing the gear
change it from a small amount of toe-in to a small amout of toe-out which is
more preferable?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Darrel,
> Yes it can. I tried to get it right!
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>
> A thought just occurred to me (can be dangerous). Can that spring gear be
> reversed?
> Darrel
>
> > Thanks Ted. - What issue is this? If June, I guess I have to watch my
> mail
> > box. The Pony Express is slow here in South Dakota.
> >
> > Also, Thanks to: Lowell - I agree. I don't want to bend my plane right
> > after it is built!
> > Marc - Good Point! I will load some weight into it and measure again -
in
> > three point and up like wheel landing.
> > Kurt - Neat! It didn't occur to me that such calculations could be
done.
> > Puts a new perspective on it!
> > Darrel - I should have mentioned spring gear.
> >
> > I will do some more measurements and then may well be in the market for
> some
> > shims.
> >
> > Thanks guys!
> >
> > Randy - Trying to straighten up and roll right!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How much toe-in is too much? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I am curious about this. Is the right toe in engineered for some reason or
is it simply an error in the manufacturing process that they don't feel a
need to address.
When I bought the now unavailable Hammerhead gear, they told me that the
configuration was engineered so as to give parallel tracking under load. I
was concerned because on the jacks, there was definitely toe in.
Just curious.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> Randy,, If it's Grove spring gear, they claim theres is right toe in as
> shipped. Haven't tried mine but plan to take their advice. Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
> >
> > Thanks Ted. - What issue is this? If June, I guess I have to watch my
> mail
> > box. The Pony Express is slow here in South Dakota.
> >
> > Also, Thanks to: Lowell - I agree. I don't want to bend my plane right
> > after it is built!
> > Marc - Good Point! I will load some weight into it and measure again -
in
> > three point and up like wheel landing.
> > Kurt - Neat! It didn't occur to me that such calculations could be
done.
> > Puts a new perspective on it!
> > Darrel - I should have mentioned spring gear.
> >
> > I will do some more measurements and then may well be in the market for
> some
> > shims.
> >
> > Thanks guys!
> >
> > Randy - Trying to straighten up and roll right!
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ella
> Palamarek
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ella Palamarek"
> <temco@telusplanet.net>
> >
> > Not sure how many of you get the EAA Sport Aviation
> > magazine --- but starting on page 114 there is an excellent
> > article on how to measure toe-in/toe-out using a very simple
> > method that seems fool proof.
> >
> > Ted Palamarek
> >
> > <<<<SNIP>>>>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Randy, my opinion is that ANY toe-in is significant, however
> > if only a small
> > amount it can probably be lived with. If it were me I'd
> > probably try to
> > eliminate it all with a 4 foot cheater bar. Not real
> > difficult.
> > Darrel
> >
> > > I got a laser level with a magnet base and stuck it on my
> > disc brake
> > rotors.
> > > By measuring the distance close to the wheels and out a
> > good distance, I
> > > determined that I have about 1.1 degrees of toe-in on each
> > wheel - in
> > other
> > > words it is a total of 2.2 degrees, but seems to be evenly
> > split between
> > the
> > > two wheels measuring from a centerline on the fuselage.
> > This way of
> > > measuring seems to be pretty accurate, but I am going to
> > try some
> > variations
> > > on this method to see how consistent it is.
> > >
> > > I am in the camp that prefers a neutral or slight toe-out
> > alignment. But
> > > after following the arguments a while back, I can't
> > remember what a
> > > significant amount of toe-in is. Is the 2.2 degrees
> > significant?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Randy - series 5/7 getting' close! N10NH
> >
> >
> > ==============
> > Contributions
> > other
> > ==============
> > ==============
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > ==============
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Dwight
I don't think this message belongs on this list. I for one, don't agree
with its entire premise. Oil companies, just like all companies, have a
right to exist, have a right to make a profit, and are constrained by
competition and the laws of supply and demand of the free market. .
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dwight purdy
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: gasoline 0.0 UPPERCASE_50_75 message body is
50-75% uppercase
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>From: "Lawrence Hare" <raymondhare2@mchsi.com>
>To:
>Subject: Fw: gasoline
>Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:44:33 -0500
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
>X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.3(snapshot 20030217) (mx.2.comteck.com)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>Subject: Fw: gasoline
>
>
>Subject: gasoline
>
>Gasoline is so High - Blackout Day
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
> >>PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
OIL
> >>COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.
> >>
> >>AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
OVER
> >>4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.
> >>
> >>THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM" DAY AND
> >>THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT
> >>DAY.
> >>
> >>THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY
> >>PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.
> >>
> >>WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT
> >>GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES
THAT
> >>THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
> >>
> >>REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT
THE
> >>SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES
> >>ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT
> >>IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL
> >>SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!
> >>
> >>WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY,
WE
> >>WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
> >>
> >>SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE YOU
> >>KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF
THE
> >>UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
> >>Angela Germany, BA, MSM
> >>Director of Business Operations
> >>Owner
>
>
>---
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| Subject: | Re: How much toe-in is too much? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I don't think this would necessarily be the case. The aluminum gear is
manufactured with sort of bowed legs. The bow will tend to disappear when
loaded. Without sufficient weight above the gear to un bend it, it will
result in tow in mounted either way.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Well, maybe it's a real dumb question, but wouldn't reversing the gear
> change it from a small amount of toe-in to a small amout of toe-out which
is
> more preferable?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
> <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
> >
> > Darrel,
> > Yes it can. I tried to get it right!
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> >
> > A thought just occurred to me (can be dangerous). Can that spring gear
be
> > reversed?
> > Darrel
> >
> > > Thanks Ted. - What issue is this? If June, I guess I have to watch
my
> > mail
> > > box. The Pony Express is slow here in South Dakota.
> > >
> > > Also, Thanks to: Lowell - I agree. I don't want to bend my plane
right
> > > after it is built!
> > > Marc - Good Point! I will load some weight into it and measure
again -
> in
> > > three point and up like wheel landing.
> > > Kurt - Neat! It didn't occur to me that such calculations could be
> done.
> > > Puts a new perspective on it!
> > > Darrel - I should have mentioned spring gear.
> > >
> > > I will do some more measurements and then may well be in the market
for
> > some
> > > shims.
> > >
> > > Thanks guys!
> > >
> > > Randy - Trying to straighten up and roll right!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel staining |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kitfox" <kitfox.england@ntlworld.com>
From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
> It'd be hard to hurt anything spraying Simple Green
> on the top of the wing fabric then wiping it off.
Could someone give an idea what "Simple Green" is made of so that we Brits
can source something similar?
Thanks
Martin Dovey
G-BTSV, G-BZIB
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
I do not know.. However, I have slipped the 4, 5, 6 and 7 with all the
different flap settings although I rarely use full flaps on these. If I
remember correctly.. because the flaps on the 4 are friction lock they
didn't like to stay completely deployed.
One of the reasons Cessna doesn't want slips with full flaps was because it
would completely block out the tail... Especially with the 40 degree flaps.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
John,
Would you happen to know whether the designers allow for full flaps and
a slip? Or even partial flaps and slip in the kitfox? I know some GA
planes specify in the POH one or the other!
JMCBEAN wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
>For the record..... Slips are an arrow in a pilots quiver and are a very
>useful tool in a variety of situations. That being said, slips are one
tool
>that is used to help when a normal and stabilized approach was not planned
>correctly.
>
>For most, a normal and stabilized approach in a Kitfox is slipping.
Because
>it does it so well and it's so much fun !!
>
>Slipping is not un-safe if done correctly !!!
>
>Blue Skies!!
>John & Debra McBean
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>AlbertaIV@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>The Rich Man has refused to fly with me again if I ever perform another
slip
>to landing again. He says that slipping is very very unsafe. I disagree
>but
>he is terrified of a slip. What's the opinion of any instructors.
>
>BTW, I ease into the slip with rudder and opposite flapperon (nose into the
>wind) while maintaining runway centerline. I maintain between 50-60 MPH
>during
>the slip. Never do I attempt a slip near stall speed.
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I do them on occasion, once at over 2000FPM, maybe more, needle was pegged.
Real nice if one comes in high, kick and stick it. Should have done it from
17,800. It took a long time to get down....:)
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JMCBEAN
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
I do not know.. However, I have slipped the 4, 5, 6 and 7 with all the
different flap settings although I rarely use full flaps on these. If I
remember correctly.. because the flaps on the 4 are friction lock they
didn't like to stay completely deployed.
One of the reasons Cessna doesn't want slips with full flaps was because it
would completely block out the tail... Especially with the 40 degree flaps.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
John,
Would you happen to know whether the designers allow for full flaps and
a slip? Or even partial flaps and slip in the kitfox? I know some GA
planes specify in the POH one or the other!
JMCBEAN wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
>For the record..... Slips are an arrow in a pilots quiver and are a very
>useful tool in a variety of situations. That being said, slips are one
tool
>that is used to help when a normal and stabilized approach was not planned
>correctly.
>
>For most, a normal and stabilized approach in a Kitfox is slipping.
Because
>it does it so well and it's so much fun !!
>
>Slipping is not un-safe if done correctly !!!
>
>Blue Skies!!
>John & Debra McBean
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>AlbertaIV@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>The Rich Man has refused to fly with me again if I ever perform another
slip
>to landing again. He says that slipping is very very unsafe. I disagree
>but
>he is terrified of a slip. What's the opinion of any instructors.
>
>BTW, I ease into the slip with rudder and opposite flapperon (nose into the
>wind) while maintaining runway centerline. I maintain between 50-60 MPH
>during
>the slip. Never do I attempt a slip near stall speed.
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: gasoline |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
I tried to bite my tongue and not comment on this, but I just can't shutup.
Steve, you got it mostly right, oil prices are largely a result of supply
and demand, plus they are also subject to the "perception" of future supply
and demand. Oil producers who gamble millions, no BILLIONS, of dollars to
explore for oil have every right to try to maximize their return on that
very risky investment by getting the best price they can for their product.
Having said this much, this is really what drives oil prices; TRADERS. Yes,
people like me that place trades with their hard earned dollars on what the
future will be by buying and selling oil futures. The oil companies also buy
and sell oil futures, but their objective is NOT to drive up oil prices, but
to hedge against volatility of oil prices.
This kind of populist, socialist claptrap is designed for the weak minded
masses. The agenda behind it nothing short of abject evil. The people that
write this stuff know that the average person will take it hook line and
sinker and never bother to find out the truth.
Here's a test that a 5 th grader should be able to answer; where is the
"demand" coming from that is helping drive up oil prices?
Best Regards,
Cliff
disclaimer, I trade futures, but not Oil futures.
> Dwight
>
> I don't think this message belongs on this list. I for one, don't agree
> with its entire premise. Oil companies, just like all companies, have a
> right to exist, have a right to make a profit, and are constrained by
> competition and the laws of supply and demand of the free market. .
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dwight purdy
> To: Recipient list suppressed
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: gasoline 0.0 UPPERCASE_50_75 message body is
> 50-75% uppercase
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
>
> >From: "Lawrence Hare" <raymondhare2@mchsi.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:44:33 -0500
> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
> >X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.3(snapshot 20030217) (mx.2.comteck.com)
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> >
> >
> >Subject: gasoline
> >
> >Gasoline is so High - Blackout Day
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >>IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
> > >>PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
> OIL
> > >>COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.
> > >>
> > >>AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
> OVER
> > >>4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL
COMPANIES.
> > >>
> > >>THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM" DAY
AND
> > >>THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE
THAT
> > >>DAY.
> > >>
> > >>THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY
> > >>PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.
> > >>
> > >>WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS
NOT
> > >>GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES
> THAT
> > >>THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
> > >>
> > >>REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT
> THE
> > >>SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING
COMPANIES
> > >>ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING
THAT
> > >>IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL
> > >>SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!
> > >>
> > >>WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY,
> WE
> > >>WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
> > >>
> > >>SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE
YOU
> > >>KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF
> THE
> > >>UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
> > >>Angela Germany, BA, MSM
> > >>Director of Business Operations
> > >>Owner
> >
> >
> >---
> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> >Version: 6.0.684 / Virus Database: 446 - Release Date: 5/13/2004
>
> dwight
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | How much toe-in is too much? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Jim,
I am in complete agreement. I went through the same thought process (No
body was watching! ;-) ) after Marc's comment. I am going to get it
loaded and measure again - in three point attitude and in level, or wheel
landing attitude.
Thanks Ted, I will dig out April's issue.
Bob, I think it is Grove gear. It came from Skystar. I now expect the
measurements with weight on the gear to be right. It seems like toe-in
can't be too critical since it changes (in three point attitude at least)
with weight.
Thanks all!
Randy - N10NH getting close!
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimshumaker
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Randy,
Don't worry too much about the 1 degree out of toe in. I tried to get mine
to toe out but only got most of it out. Think of it this way, if one were
going to ground loop because they did not set down within 1 degree of
absolutely straight down the runway, then all of us would have ground looped
a few times already. If you are 3 to 5 degrees off then the plane will
definetly try to tuck under on you. But that is what the rudder is for.
Once you have the one wheel rollling straight down the runway, the other
wheel at 2.2 degrees off put up very little protest when it touches.
Also note that as the springs compress, the axis of the axles will spread
and increase the toe out. This is because the fuselage is not parallel with
the ground. For a simple demonstration, overlap your arms in front of you
with the forarms parallel to each other and the upper arms parallel to the
floor. Point the index fingers in opposite directions. The index fingers
are the axles. We will pretend that there is no toe in or out. Now move
your wrists up and down to simulate the flex of the landing gear. Note
there is no obvious change in toe in or toe out. Feeling silly yet?
Now raise your arms up until the upper arms are about 35 to 37 degrees above
level. Did you check to make sure no one was watching? Now do the wrist
thing. If you were watching carefully you noted that the toe out relative
to the pavement, increased. If you raise you arms to 90 degrees you will
notice that all you get is toe out and no shock absorber action. You are
also dragging your tailwheel or landin on a wall.
Taxi testing should tell you how sensitive the plane is to toe in. If you
have aluminum spring gear then I understand it is easy to change with shims.
Then straight to 1 degree out would be ideal. Of course if you go tooo far
out then the plane would want to waddle. :
)
Jim Shumaker
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Still looking for a stain remover for 100LL stains. The blue is actually
an ethylene dibromide based dye. I found a readily available stain
remover which might work. It is called Motsenbocker's Lift Off Stain
Remover which supposedly works for permanent marker, dye's, etc.
I have not tried it, but I certainly will as soon as I find the
stuff. (with my luck it probably melts paint :)
Any chemists on the list? You guys should be able to figure this
rather difficult problem out.
Jeff
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I agree. Simple minds getting it simply worng. Just
a rough calculation. BEFORE TAXES, and gas is taxed
at every point, it now costs about $0.72 per gallon.
So just who is making the biggest profit anyway?
Kurt S.
--- Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Dwight
>
> I don't think this message belongs on this list. I
> for one, don't agree with its entire premise.
> Oil companies, just like all companies, have a
> right to exist, have a right to make a profit, and
> are constrained by competition and the laws of
> supply and demand of the free market.
>
> SteveZ
__________________________________
http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/
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| Subject: | How much toe-in is too much? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Ha ha. Yes, I wanted to see what it would take to
stop the loop at slow speed once I started it before I
had a real one. Give me an idea how brakes, rudder,
tailwheel, and burst of power would help, at least
that slow. Since it wasn't my plane and not a KF
either, my testing was very limited and slow.
I also I have heard of a few who used a groundloop to
keep from running off the end of a runway. One was a
P-51, if I remember correctly. At some speed it is a
maneuver, not an accident.
But then I did use spins as a maneuver to lose
altitude in jet training too. ;-)
Kurt S.
--- Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com> wrote:
> Kurt,
> With my reaction time, the 2 seconds may not even be
> enough. ;-)
>
> But I know I ain't gonna let you fly my plane!
> Anybody who goes out and
> PRACTICES ground loops.........
>
> Randy
>
> (actually not a bad idea - at the right speed and
> in the right area and
> wind conditions.)
__________________________________
http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I really hate to comment on this "Thread". But seems no body has commented
on the comfort and well being of the passenger. More than one of you have
said something to the effect "I always use slips". I feel you should fly
airplanes smooth, straight and level so that any passenger is comfortable.
Personally I can do slips at any angle or decent rate but would rather go
around than do one with a "non-aviation" passenger aboard. I even mentioned
to my son-in-law ( on his first flight) while close to the ground on final
approach, that we were a "little fast and might float a little" (because he
and I are both heavy) and it gave him concern. We were approaching my 1200
ft strip and I imagine he thought it looked like a postage stamp anyhow, as
I once did. He answered in a not so comfortable voice...."are we all
right". So be carefull how you impress unsusspecting passengers with other
than straight flight. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Slipping
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> I do them on occasion, once at over 2000FPM, maybe more, needle was
pegged.
> Real nice if one comes in high, kick and stick it. Should have done it
from
> 17,800. It took a long time to get down....:)
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JMCBEAN
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> I do not know.. However, I have slipped the 4, 5, 6 and 7 with all the
> different flap settings although I rarely use full flaps on these. If I
> remember correctly.. because the flaps on the 4 are friction lock they
> didn't like to stay completely deployed.
>
> One of the reasons Cessna doesn't want slips with full flaps was because
it
> would completely block out the tail... Especially with the 40 degree
flaps.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> John,
>
> Would you happen to know whether the designers allow for full flaps and
> a slip? Or even partial flaps and slip in the kitfox? I know some GA
> planes specify in the POH one or the other!
>
> JMCBEAN wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> >
> >For the record..... Slips are an arrow in a pilots quiver and are a very
> >useful tool in a variety of situations. That being said, slips are one
> tool
> >that is used to help when a normal and stabilized approach was not
planned
> >correctly.
> >
> >For most, a normal and stabilized approach in a Kitfox is slipping.
> Because
> >it does it so well and it's so much fun !!
> >
> >Slipping is not un-safe if done correctly !!!
> >
> >Blue Skies!!
> >John & Debra McBean
> >"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> >The Rich Man has refused to fly with me again if I ever perform another
> slip
> >to landing again. He says that slipping is very very unsafe. I disagree
> >but
> >he is terrified of a slip. What's the opinion of any instructors.
> >
> >BTW, I ease into the slip with rudder and opposite flapperon (nose into
the
> >wind) while maintaining runway centerline. I maintain between 50-60 MPH
> >during
> >the slip. Never do I attempt a slip near stall speed.
> >
> >Don Smythe
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Bob
Excellent points --- when I was just a kid (way back when
they invented dirt) on one of my first rides a fellow did
that to me. Needless to say he scared the hell out of me. To
this day that is the only thing I can remember about flying
in my early years.
Ted P
<<<<SNIP>>>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
I really hate to comment on this "Thread". But seems no
body has commented
on the comfort and well being of the passenger. More than
one of you have
said something to the effect "I always use slips". I feel
you should fly
airplanes smooth, straight and level so that any passenger
is comfortable.
Personally I can do slips at any angle or decent rate but
would rather go
around than do one with a "non-aviation" passenger aboard.
I even mentioned
to my son-in-law ( on his first flight) while close to the
ground on final
approach, that we were a "little fast and might float a
little" (because he
and I are both heavy) and it gave him concern. We were
approaching my 1200
ft strip and I imagine he thought it looked like a postage
stamp anyhow, as
I once did. He answered in a not so comfortable
voice...."are we all
right". So be carefull how you impress unsusspecting
passengers with other
than straight flight. Bob U.
-
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
Bob,
Good observation. I commented when this thread initially came out but neglected
to mention that all of my instructors also told me when carrying passengers
to initiate all maneuvers as if your grandmother was sitting next to you!
But still a must know tactic..........just in case!
>
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> Date: 2004/05/18 Tue PM 01:37:45 CDT
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
>
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"Jim Summerville" <jsummerville@greenhills.net>,
"Jim Totten" <totten@greenhills.net>, "John King" <jking@cmuonline.net>,
"John Sutton" <jnorsair@greenhills.net>,
"Kevin Golden" <kgolden64@hotmail.com>,
"Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>,
"kitfox Parts" <parts@skystar.com>, "Larry Kaiser" <larrykaiser@erols.com>,
"Larry Warren" <lwarren1@cmuonline.net>, "LeRoy staley" <itis50@yahoo.com>,
"Luis for Decals" <lggm@sbcglobal.net>, "Mark Dietz" <dietz@ipa.net>,
"Mark Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
small email address change (another H)
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilohcom@c-magic.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> I think the theoretical answer is, mixture should be the same through all
> RPM settings but, nothing is theoretical. I would keep the stock mid range
> jet and needle.
Well Don, I have been reading again all I have about my Bing carburettor and
... I don't find a reference to a "mid range jet and needle." So I'll have to ask:
Do you mean the jet and needle that moves with the throttle wire?
If that is the case then you say this:
Change the main jet, i.e. the one at the bottom of the assembly to compensate
for the thick air in winter and get the the correct mixture at full throttle.
Change the position of the clip on the needle that is connected to the slide
and the throttle wire, to adjust the mid range mixture.
Is that correct?
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: gasoline |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
Joke! You work for an Oil Co.?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: gasoline
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> Dwight
>
> I don't think this message belongs on this list. I for one, don't agree
> with its entire premise. Oil companies, just like all companies, have a
> right to exist, have a right to make a profit, and are constrained by
> competition and the laws of supply and demand of the free market. .
>
> SteveZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dwight purdy
> To: Recipient list suppressed
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: gasoline 0.0 UPPERCASE_50_75 message body is
> 50-75% uppercase
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
>
> >From: "Lawrence Hare" <raymondhare2@mchsi.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:44:33 -0500
> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
> >X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.3(snapshot 20030217) (mx.2.comteck.com)
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> >
> >
> >Subject: gasoline
> >
> >Gasoline is so High - Blackout Day
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >>IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
> > >>PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
> OIL
> > >>COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.
> > >>
> > >>AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
> OVER
> > >>4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL
COMPANIES.
> > >>
> > >>THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM" DAY
AND
> > >>THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE
THAT
> > >>DAY.
> > >>
> > >>THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY
> > >>PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.
> > >>
> > >>WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS
NOT
> > >>GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES
> THAT
> > >>THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
> > >>
> > >>REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT
> THE
> > >>SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING
COMPANIES
> > >>ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING
THAT
> > >>IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL
> > >>SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!
> > >>
> > >>WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY,
> WE
> > >>WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
> > >>
> > >>SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE
YOU
> > >>KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF
> THE
> > >>UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
> > >>Angela Germany, BA, MSM
> > >>Director of Business Operations
> > >>Owner
> >
> >
> >---
> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> >Version: 6.0.684 / Virus Database: 446 - Release Date: 5/13/2004
>
> dwight
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: gasoline |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" <davedawe@3web.net>
Right on Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: gasoline
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> I tried to bite my tongue and not comment on this, but I just can't
shutup.
> Steve, you got it mostly right, oil prices are largely a result of supply
> and demand, plus they are also subject to the "perception" of future
supply
> and demand. Oil producers who gamble millions, no BILLIONS, of dollars to
> explore for oil have every right to try to maximize their return on that
> very risky investment by getting the best price they can for their
product.
>
> Having said this much, this is really what drives oil prices; TRADERS.
Yes,
> people like me that place trades with their hard earned dollars on what
the
> future will be by buying and selling oil futures. The oil companies also
buy
> and sell oil futures, but their objective is NOT to drive up oil prices,
but
> to hedge against volatility of oil prices.
> This kind of populist, socialist claptrap is designed for the weak minded
> masses. The agenda behind it nothing short of abject evil. The people that
> write this stuff know that the average person will take it hook line and
> sinker and never bother to find out the truth.
> Here's a test that a 5 th grader should be able to answer; where is the
> "demand" coming from that is helping drive up oil prices?
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> disclaimer, I trade futures, but not Oil futures.
>
> > Dwight
> >
> > I don't think this message belongs on this list. I for one, don't
agree
> > with its entire premise. Oil companies, just like all companies, have
a
> > right to exist, have a right to make a profit, and are constrained by
> > competition and the laws of supply and demand of the free market. .
> >
> > SteveZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dwight purdy
> > To: Recipient list suppressed
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: gasoline 0.0 UPPERCASE_50_75 message body is
> > 50-75% uppercase
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> >
> >
> > >From: "Lawrence Hare" <raymondhare2@mchsi.com>
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> > >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:44:33 -0500
> > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
> > >X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.3(snapshot 20030217) (mx.2.comteck.com)
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> > >
> > >
> > >Subject: gasoline
> > >
> > >Gasoline is so High - Blackout Day
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >>IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
> > > >>PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME,
THE
> > OIL
> > > >>COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.
> > > >>
> > > >>AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
> > OVER
> > > >>4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL
> COMPANIES.
> > > >>
> > > >>THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM" DAY
> AND
> > > >>THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE
> THAT
> > > >>DAY.
> > > >>
> > > >>THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS
MANY
> > > >>PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.
> > > >>
> > > >>WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS
> NOT
> > > >>GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN
PRICES
> > THAT
> > > >>THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
> > > >>
> > > >>REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT
AT
> > THE
> > > >>SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING
> COMPANIES
> > > >>ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING
> THAT
> > > >>IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL
> > > >>SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!
> > > >>
> > > >>WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE
DAY,
> > WE
> > > >>WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
> > > >>
> > > >>SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE
> YOU
> > > >>KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS
OF
> > THE
> > > >>UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
> > > >>Angela Germany, BA, MSM
> > > >>Director of Business Operations
> > > >>Owner
> > >
> > >
> > >---
> > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> > >Version: 6.0.684 / Virus Database: 446 - Release Date: 5/13/2004
> >
> > dwight
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Bob, don't forget to make the changes to the List also. Just use the links
at the bottom of this message.
Darrel
List Admin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
<jsummerville@greenhills.net>; "Jim Totten" <totten@greenhills.net>; "John
King" <jking@cmuonline.net>; "John Sutton" <jnorsair@greenhills.net>; "Kevin
Golden" <kgolden64@hotmail.com>; "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>;
"kitfox Parts" <parts@skystar.com>; "Larry Kaiser" <larrykaiser@erols.com>;
"Larry Warren" <lwarren1@cmuonline.net>; "LeRoy staley" <itis50@yahoo.com>;
"Luis for Decals" <lggm@sbcglobal.net>; "Mark Dietz" <dietz@ipa.net>; "Mark
Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> small email address change (another H)
>
> Blue Skies
> Bob Unternaehrer
> shilohcom@c-magic.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Darrel, can't seem to get any of the links at bottom to work. Also tried
going to matronics.com and didn't find any reference to any list or the
kitfox list. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Bob, don't forget to make the changes to the List also. Just use the
links
> at the bottom of this message.
> Darrel
> List Admin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> To: "Jim Robinson" <erieairpark@juno.com>; "Jim Summerville"
> <jsummerville@greenhills.net>; "Jim Totten" <totten@greenhills.net>; "John
> King" <jking@cmuonline.net>; "John Sutton" <jnorsair@greenhills.net>;
"Kevin
> Golden" <kgolden64@hotmail.com>; "Kitfox List"
<kitfox-list@matronics.com>;
> "kitfox Parts" <parts@skystar.com>; "Larry Kaiser"
<larrykaiser@erols.com>;
> "Larry Warren" <lwarren1@cmuonline.net>; "LeRoy staley"
<itis50@yahoo.com>;
> "Luis for Decals" <lggm@sbcglobal.net>; "Mark Dietz" <dietz@ipa.net>;
"Mark
> Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List:
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> > small email address change (another H)
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > Bob Unternaehrer
> > shilohcom@c-magic.com
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: Avgas Stains |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Hey Guys just want to thank everybody for their input on my fuel stain. I am
currently still trying to put your suggestions to use. I'll let you know the
results. Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avgas Stains
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Still looking for a stain remover for 100LL stains. The blue is actually
> an ethylene dibromide based dye. I found a readily available stain
> remover which might work. It is called Motsenbocker's Lift Off Stain
> Remover which supposedly works for permanent marker, dye's, etc.
> I have not tried it, but I certainly will as soon as I find the
> stuff. (with my luck it probably melts paint :)
>
> Any chemists on the list? You guys should be able to figure this
> rather difficult problem out.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin GPSmap 196. The good and the bad |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger Rockwell <flkitfox@juno.com>
The good god is that I get to keep the same wife and get a new motor
home. The bad is I don't get a kitfox. This leaves me with a Garmin
GPSmap 196 that I just bought new a month ago. Its never seen the inside
of an airplane. If anyone is interested let me know off list for a deal.
It has all of provided accessories (Yoke mount, dash mount, external
antenna, etc) as a bonus I through in a Data Card. If you do not have
MapSource I'll load it with any street level map you want or a map from
the Garmin Waterways CD. She says that I can stay sub'ed to the list and
read about the Kitfox.
Roger
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I just checked Bob and they worked fine for me. Give me your old and new
address and I'll take care of it.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
<shilocom@c-magic.com>
>
> Darrel, can't seem to get any of the links at bottom to work. Also tried
> going to matronics.com and didn't find any reference to any list or the
> kitfox list. Bob U.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Bob, don't forget to make the changes to the List also. Just use the
> links
> > at the bottom of this message.
> > Darrel
> > List Admin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> > To: "Jim Robinson" <erieairpark@juno.com>; "Jim Summerville"
> > <jsummerville@greenhills.net>; "Jim Totten" <totten@greenhills.net>;
"John
> > King" <jking@cmuonline.net>; "John Sutton" <jnorsair@greenhills.net>;
> "Kevin
> > Golden" <kgolden64@hotmail.com>; "Kitfox List"
> <kitfox-list@matronics.com>;
> > "kitfox Parts" <parts@skystar.com>; "Larry Kaiser"
> <larrykaiser@erols.com>;
> > "Larry Warren" <lwarren1@cmuonline.net>; "LeRoy staley"
> <itis50@yahoo.com>;
> > "Luis for Decals" <lggm@sbcglobal.net>; "Mark Dietz" <dietz@ipa.net>;
> "Mark
> > Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List:
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> > <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> > >
> > > small email address change (another H)
> > >
> > > Blue Skies
> > > Bob Unternaehrer
> > > shilohcom@c-magic.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I agree it did not belong on the list. It was a mistake on my part. I do
find it strange how the price of gasoline is tied to the price of oil on
the stock market but at least where I live it goes up and down on the
weekend while the market is closed. HMMMM.
Dwight
At 07:39 AM 5/18/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
>Dwight
>
>I don't think this message belongs on this list. I for one, don't agree
>with its entire premise. Oil companies, just like all companies, have a
>right to exist, have a right to make a profit, and are constrained by
>competition and the laws of supply and demand of the free market. .
>
>SteveZ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dwight purdy
>To: Recipient list suppressed
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: gasoline 0.0 UPPERCASE_50_75 message body is
>50-75% uppercase
>
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
>
> >From: "Lawrence Hare" <raymondhare2@mchsi.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> >Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:44:33 -0500
> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
> >X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.3(snapshot 20030217) (mx.2.comteck.com)
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >Subject: Fw: gasoline
> >
> >
> >Subject: gasoline
> >
> >Gasoline is so High - Blackout Day
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >>IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
> > >>PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
>OIL
> > >>COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.
> > >>
> > >>AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
>OVER
> > >>4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.
> > >>
> > >>THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM" DAY AND
> > >>THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT
> > >>DAY.
> > >>
> > >>THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY
> > >>PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.
> > >>
> > >>WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT
> > >>GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES
>THAT
> > >>THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?
> > >>
> > >>REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT
>THE
> > >>SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES
> > >>ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT
> > >>IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL
> > >>SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!
> > >>
> > >>WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY,
>WE
> > >>WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
> > >>
> > >>SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE YOU
> > >>KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF
>THE
> > >>UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
> > >>Angela Germany, BA, MSM
> > >>Director of Business Operations
> > >>Owner
> >
> >
> >---
> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> >Version: 6.0.684 / Virus Database: 446 - Release Date: 5/13/2004
>
>dwight
>
>
>---
>
>
>---
>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
>Version: 6.0.684 / Virus Database: 446 - Release Date: 5/13/2004
---
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
old shilocom@c-magic.com new shilohcom@c-magic.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I just checked Bob and they worked fine for me. Give me your old and new
> address and I'll take care of it.
> Darrel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> >
> > Darrel, can't seem to get any of the links at bottom to work. Also
tried
> > going to matronics.com and didn't find any reference to any list or the
> > kitfox list. Bob U.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >
> > > Bob, don't forget to make the changes to the List also. Just use the
> > links
> > > at the bottom of this message.
> > > Darrel
> > > List Admin
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> > > To: "Jim Robinson" <erieairpark@juno.com>; "Jim Summerville"
> > > <jsummerville@greenhills.net>; "Jim Totten" <totten@greenhills.net>;
> "John
> > > King" <jking@cmuonline.net>; "John Sutton" <jnorsair@greenhills.net>;
> > "Kevin
> > > Golden" <kgolden64@hotmail.com>; "Kitfox List"
> > <kitfox-list@matronics.com>;
> > > "kitfox Parts" <parts@skystar.com>; "Larry Kaiser"
> > <larrykaiser@erols.com>;
> > > "Larry Warren" <lwarren1@cmuonline.net>; "LeRoy staley"
> > <itis50@yahoo.com>;
> > > "Luis for Decals" <lggm@sbcglobal.net>; "Mark Dietz" <dietz@ipa.net>;
> > "Mark
> > > Langford" <langford@hiwaay.net>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List:
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer"
> > > <shilocom@c-magic.com>
> > > >
> > > > small email address change (another H)
> > > >
> > > > Blue Skies
> > > > Bob Unternaehrer
> > > > shilohcom@c-magic.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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| Subject: | Re: How much toe-in is too much? |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:43:35 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Over the past few years, we have briefly flight tested and returned to service
restored Citabrias at the rate of about one every 5-6 months. As part of the testing,
our chief pilot (a very experienced taildragger pilot) does a wheel landing,
raises and lowers the right wheel, ditto the left wheel, lowers the tail
and repeats the raising and lowering of the mains to check for any nasty tendencies.
Shims are used to correct any problems. Standard flight testing procedure.
I did my own flight testing in the Kitfox and have only recently felt competent
enough in the Kitfox to attempt these maneuvers. My Kitfox has approximately
1.5 degrees of toe-in - no nasty tendencies were noted.
Roger Standley
----- Original Message -----
From: jimshumaker<mailto:jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net<mailto:jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>>
Randy,
Don't worry too much about the 1 degree out of toe in. I tried to get mine
to toe out but only got most of it out. Think of it this way, if one were
going to ground loop because they did not set down within 1 degree of
absolutely straight down the runway, then all of us would have ground looped
a few times already. If you are 3 to 5 degrees off then the plane will
definetly try to tuck under on you. But that is what the rudder is for.
Once you have the one wheel rollling straight down the runway, the other
wheel at 2.2 degrees off put up very little protest when it touches.
Also note that as the springs compress, the axis of the axles will spread
and increase the toe out. This is because the fuselage is not parallel with
the ground. For a simple demonstration, overlap your arms in front of you
with the forarms parallel to each other and the upper arms parallel to the
floor. Point the index fingers in opposite directions. The index fingers
are the axles. We will pretend that there is no toe in or out. Now move
your wrists up and down to simulate the flex of the landing gear. Note
there is no obvious change in toe in or toe out. Feeling silly yet?
Now raise your arms up until the upper arms are about 35 to 37 degrees above
level. Did you check to make sure no one was watching? Now do the wrist
thing. If you were watching carefully you noted that the toe out relative
to the pavement, increased. If you raise you arms to 90 degrees you will
notice that all you get is toe out and no shock absorber action. You are
also dragging your tailwheel or landin on a wall.
Taxi testing should tell you how sensitive the plane is to toe in. If you
have aluminum spring gear then I understand it is easy to change with shims.
Then straight to 1 degree out would be ideal. Of course if you go tooo far
out then the plane would want to waddle. :
)
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How much toe-in is too much?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com<mailto:smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>>
>
> Randy,
>
> I met a guy with 3500 hrs of tailwheel time who
> crunched his new Avid in 15 hrs and hated it so much
> he refused to rebuild it. From his stories, I got the
> impression his only problem was toe-in.
>
> I lean toward the toe-out camp too. I have mine at
> about 1.3 total degrees out now (less than a degree
> each) and it is great on grass. Haven't done pavement
> with it yet though.
>
> This is how significant it looks mathematically. One
> degree is about 1 foot every 60 feet. 60 mph is
> 88'/sec and 40 mph is 58+'/sec. Call them 90'/sec and
> 60'/sec to make it easy. At 2.2 degrees in, your
> wheels will try to meet in the middle in one second
> after landing, if you touch down at 60 mph. Even at
> 40 mph they will try to move 2.2' toward the center in
> one second. So at 40 mph, I would say that you would
> be in a ground loop in just over 1 second, if you
> touched down one wheel first.
>
> I think you will be very unhappy with the handling.
> If you must, try it taxiing on pavement first, then
> takeoff and land on grass only. I think it would be
> better to put 2.5 - 3 degrees of shims on both sides.
> Then you are toe-out on each. Tire wear should be
> better too.
>
> You should be able to measure along the outside tire
> sidewall just like the disk brake, but it is easier to
> get to IMHO. Spin the tire first to make sure it
> doesn't wobble. If the sidewall is smooth, it should
> give a good reading. I just used a straight edge
> along the sidewall to align with. You can set your
> lazer there.
>
> I'm tired. Gotta go. :-(
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Randy Daughenbaugh <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com<mailto:rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>> wrote:
> > .........
> > I am in the camp that prefers a neutral or slight
> > toe-out alignment. But after following the
> > arguments a while back, I can't remember what a
> > significant amount of toe-in is. Is the 2.2 degrees
> > significant?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Randy - series 5/7 getting' close! N10NH
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/<http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/>
>
>
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:57:30 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
If flaps and a forward slip are needed to correct an approach, maybe a go-around
should be considered. Using flaps and slips together to lose altitude could
develop into a high rate of sink that you may not be able to stop, especially
with low airspeed.
----- Original Message -----
From: jareds<mailto:jareds@verizon.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net<mailto:jareds@verizon.net>>
John,
Would you happen to know whether the designers allow for full flaps and
a slip? Or even partial flaps and slip in the kitfox? I know some GA
planes specify in the POH one or the other!
JMCBEAN wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net<mailto:JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>>
>
>For the record..... Slips are an arrow in a pilots quiver and are a very
>useful tool in a variety of situations. That being said, slips are one tool
>that is used to help when a normal and stabilized approach was not planned
>correctly.
>
>For most, a normal and stabilized approach in a Kitfox is slipping. Because
>it does it so well and it's so much fun !!
>
>Slipping is not un-safe if done correctly !!!
>
>Blue Skies!!
>John & Debra McBean
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>AlbertaIV@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
>
>The Rich Man has refused to fly with me again if I ever perform another slip
>to landing again. He says that slipping is very very unsafe. I disagree
>but
>he is terrified of a slip. What's the opinion of any instructors.
>
>BTW, I ease into the slip with rudder and opposite flapperon (nose into the
>wind) while maintaining runway centerline. I maintain between 50-60 MPH
>during
>the slip. Never do I attempt a slip near stall speed.
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "david yeamans" <dafox@ckt.net>
Hello Bob,
Sence you mentioned it, I'd like to comment on the well being of my
passengers. I first started flying my kitfox in april 2001. I've flown 91 first
time passengers sence then, from 5 to 89 years old, and alot of them many
times. I always ask them before we fly how they feel, if they are afraid, or
have a fear of flying or really want to go flying. I had one college girl that
admitted she had a fear af flying, but was trying to overcome it by flying.
She was the only one out of ninety one, and by talking and explaining each
manuever from takeoff to landing, and to all the passengers, it seems
to settle and relax them and if they have a fear, it usually is calmed down.
Most of all these passengers, including an 82 year old long time friend,
and an 89 year old aunt has done the slip, and what my grandkids call the
roller coaster ride, A low high speed pass over the run way, and at the end
of the runway, pull it straight up and bring it over the top before it stalls.They
all come back for more. I think its important to explain each maneuver
before you do it, and do it gently to gain their confidence.
I have a Cessna Skyhawk and have flown around 60 passengers, a lot
of Young Eagles, in both airplanes, and i guess I haven't flown a grandmother
yet, but I've only had one instructor.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Unternaehrer
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@c-magic.com>
I really hate to comment on this "Thread". But seems no body has commented
on the comfort and well being of the passenger. More than one of you have
said something to the effect "I always use slips". I feel you should fly
airplanes smooth, straight and level so that any passenger is comfortable.
Personally I can do slips at any angle or decent rate but would rather go
around than do one with a "non-aviation" passenger aboard. I even mentioned
to my son-in-law ( on his first flight) while close to the ground on final
approach, that we were a "little fast and might float a little" (because he
and I are both heavy) and it gave him concern. We were approaching my 1200
ft strip and I imagine he thought it looked like a postage stamp anyhow, as
I once did. He answered in a not so comfortable voice...."are we all
right". So be carefull how you impress unsusspecting passengers with other
than straight flight. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Slipping
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> I do them on occasion, once at over 2000FPM, maybe more, needle was
pegged.
> Real nice if one comes in high, kick and stick it. Should have done it
from
> 17,800. It took a long time to get down....:)
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JMCBEAN
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> I do not know.. However, I have slipped the 4, 5, 6 and 7 with all the
> different flap settings although I rarely use full flaps on these. If I
> remember correctly.. because the flaps on the 4 are friction lock they
> didn't like to stay completely deployed.
>
> One of the reasons Cessna doesn't want slips with full flaps was because
it
> would completely block out the tail... Especially with the 40 degree
flaps.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jareds
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> John,
>
> Would you happen to know whether the designers allow for full flaps and
> a slip? Or even partial flaps and slip in the kitfox? I know some GA
> planes specify in the POH one or the other!
>
> JMCBEAN wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
> >
> >For the record..... Slips are an arrow in a pilots quiver and are a very
> >useful tool in a variety of situations. That being said, slips are one
> tool
> >that is used to help when a normal and stabilized approach was not
planned
> >correctly.
> >
> >For most, a normal and stabilized approach in a Kitfox is slipping.
> Because
> >it does it so well and it's so much fun !!
> >
> >Slipping is not un-safe if done correctly !!!
> >
> >Blue Skies!!
> >John & Debra McBean
> >"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> >AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Slipping
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> >The Rich Man has refused to fly with me again if I ever perform another
> slip
> >to landing again. He says that slipping is very very unsafe. I disagree
> >but
> >he is terrified of a slip. What's the opinion of any instructors.
> >
> >BTW, I ease into the slip with rudder and opposite flapperon (nose into
the
> >wind) while maintaining runway centerline. I maintain between 50-60 MPH
> >during
> >the slip. Never do I attempt a slip near stall speed.
> >
> >Don Smythe
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
>
> If flaps and a forward slip are needed to correct an approach, maybe a
go-around should be considered.
No! NOT to correct an approach. To clear an ostacle on the approach end of
the runway or short field landing.
Steve
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Gosh, I don't get it....I don't never buy gas for my KITFOX on Wendsday,
sooo how come them guys is still in business?
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