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1. 05:42 AM - Off Topic-Living (hausding, sid)
2. 07:52 AM - Re: Off Topic-Living in the North (Don Pearsall)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: Off Topic-Living in the North (Lowell Fitt)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Mountain flying (Lowell Fitt)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: Slipping (JMCBEAN)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: Mountain flying (JMCBEAN)
7. 08:57 AM - SWRFI (Flybradair@cs.com)
8. 10:32 AM - Re: Off Topic-Living in the North (Scott McClintock)
9. 10:45 AM - Off Topic - North Saga Con't. (Scott McClintock)
10. 10:45 AM - Re: Off Topic-Living in the North (Michel Verheughe)
11. 12:35 PM - North Saga (hausding, sid)
12. 07:34 PM - Re: Off Topic-Living in the North (John E. King)
13. 07:34 PM - Re: Slipping (Randy Daughenbaugh)
14. 08:16 PM - Re: Slipping (Graeme Toft)
15. 10:11 PM - Cameron Air Park Fly-In (Bruce Harrington)
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| Subject: | Off Topic-Living |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
I see a book being written here? Sounds like 'Nanook of the North' is
trying out his prose and writing styles on us unsuspecting homebuilders....
....whats the title going to be, Artic Fox flits further and farther?
Ha haa ha hee.
Oh, I better go and have my morning coffee today. Sorry.
Tape is being packaged and sent, Scott.
Sid
--------------------------please, do not archive
Michel wrote: If Torgeir, who lives in the north, has to eat a banana, I
have, in the south,
to share the price of its transport. Otherwise no one could afford to
live up there.
Michel,
Now that is a novel approach to cost sharing. How exactly does that
work? Is there much dissension from the "southerners" in regards to
subsidizing their "northern brothers"? Frankly, that sounds pretty
socialistic (communistic) to me :-)
For living up here in Bush Alaska, the State gives me a 30% cost of
living allowance over what my contemporaries in Anchorage or Fairbanks
receive. Unfortunately, it does not fully make up the difference. For
instance, a gallon of milk here costs $7.00, Anchorage and Fairbanks
folks pay only $2.99.
When the two grocery stores here receive fresh fruit, they place an add
on the local TV scanner channel to announce that arrival.
I or my wife will immediately rush down to purchase what we can (albeit
at ridiculously high prices) before it is all gone.
Now that the ground has thawed out some, I have begun construction on
my new house site, just four miles outside of "town". (no property
taxes)
The friend that I bought the property from allowed me to take the base
material from his pit at no charge and another friend with a loader and
dump truck only charged me $35 per 5 yard load. Yet another friend with
a D-4 CAT (dozer) charged me $70 per hour for his services.
Bottom line: one 12 foot wide, 150 foot long driveway with a 50 foot by
100 foot house pad cost me $6,000. This does not include the "topping"
of some washed rock which we will apply after the drive and pad dries
and settles. That's gonna cost me $85 per load and I will need about 10
or 15.
If I did not have these good friends to help me out on this project,
this would have cost me over $20,000.
I guess you really have to love living up in the frozen north to bear
all this. (By the way, it snowed again this AM and the convection fog
now is so thick that you can only see about 100 feet.)
Well, now I have to get on a Navajo and do a "tour" of some of our
village airports. Monday I will spend the day flying to: Kotzebue -
Shishmaref - then on to Gambell & Savoonga on St. Lawrence Island which
is so close to Russia that you can see the smoke from chimneys. Then
back to Nome. I will probably get "stuck" in Gambell as the heavy fog
will probably keep me on the ground till the following morning.
You guys down "South" enjoy your pleasant, warm weather. (GRRRRR)
Scott in Nome
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Off Topic-Living in the North |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hmmmm, Scott, with your friends and their equipment, perhaps you could also
make a 30 foot wide by 1500 foot long "Driveway!"
Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic-Living in the North |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Interesting! Milk down here in California just hit $4.00 a gallon and we
have dairy farms just 30 miles away.
Who can figure.
Lowell
<Snip>
> For living up here in Bush Alaska, the State gives me a 30% cost of
> living allowance over what my contemporaries in Anchorage or Fairbanks
> receive. Unfortunately, it does not fully make up the difference. For
> instance, a gallon of milk here costs $7.00, Anchorage and Fairbanks
> folks pay only $2.99.
>Snip<
> Scott in Nome
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mountain flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Read and Heed !!! Back country flying can be some of the most rewarding
and
> scenic flying one can do.
>
> Mountain flying kills lot's of people all the time, mostly because
> people don't get a mountain instructor, and get a good checkout.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
Agree, but with one caveat. There is a flying school in Idaho, that rumor
has it, that has had a number of accidents with it's graduates. Completing
the school doesn't make anyone an expert. Take it slow.
There was a seminar conducted at Johnson Creek by a mountain flying guru a
year or tow ago. I wasn't there and this is a narrative of what was told me
and from memory. He asked those present to state their flying experience.
As expected there were log times from just a few yours to the many
thousands.
He then asked how many times people had been in to Johnson Creek. The low
time pilot - less than 150 hours - said 7. One of the thousands of hours
pilots said one. The guy commented that the 15 hour pilot "owned" Johnson
Creek and to the thousand hour pilot he said don't come back. He was pretty
blunt at the time, but this illustrates the point that experience is the
answer to mountain flying.
I have been in the Idaho mountains probably 5 or 6 times and to be frankly
honest every time it was flying in a group behind a very experienced "air
boss". would I do it alone? To a few places probably. To others probably
not.
Idaho is a very aviation friendly state with a lot of strips in the
mountains and around. There is a book - Fly Idaho - that rates every off
airport strip as to difficulty and gives tips on approaching and departing.
This is still inadequate. As John said, there are deaths up there every
year.
Lowell
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> jeff.hays@aselia.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mountain flying
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
> <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Living in Colorado (Coal Creek Canyon (near Wondervu)) and learning
> to fly in Colorado. One thing for sure. I fly in the mountains, one
> as if the plane is a glider (i.e. working ridge lift and thermals),
> second I don't fly in Canyon's (period), unless it is downhill and
> I can see the exit ... and I generally fly high enough to be able to
> glide to the next available emergency landing spot (which might mean
> flying a few thousand feet above terrain). In the mountains (at least
> in Colorado), if you happen to land in the mountains off airport, in
> a controlled fashion, you might then have a heck of a long tumbling
> ride down the face of some seriously ugly terrain (you see the Toyota
> commercial where the girl's boyfriend's tacoma get's shoved off a cliff?
> imagine that ride in an airplane BUT about 10 times farther to the
> bottom). Hiking in the rockies can be a challenge in itself, driving a
> car can be spooky on some of the roads. Landing in a canyon ... No Thanks!
>
> Mountain flying kills lot's of people all the time, mostly because
> people don't get a mountain instructor, and get a good checkout.
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Rick turboflyer@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:19:27 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mountain flying
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> I was just listening to an instructional tape the other day. I offer this
in
> the spirit of learning only. It was about surviving a crashes. Seems many
> have been caught by canyons and tried the impossible when beyond the point
> of no return. The least survivable crash in nose in. It was suggested ones
> chances of survival would be better by hitting the trees head on to adsorb
> some of the energy from the impact. Now, I know it would take some real
> quick thinking and nerves of steel to say to ones self, I am not going to
> make this turn, something is wrong, the terrain must be rising faster than
I
> can climb, I will hit those trees or pick a spot on the side of the
> mountain. And who knows if most people, self included ,could make that
> decision quick enough or at all. It is something to consider. If we stall
> and spin in nose first it is the worst possible crash. Having wings torn
> off, ground loops, flips and just about anything you can think of is
better
> than going in nose first. The tape series is by Rod Machado and is worth
> every penny. May we all learn from the experience and sadly the ultimate
> sacrifices of others.
>
> Rick
>
> Two engine fires
> Canopy blow off at 130IAS
> Engine failure, loss of oil pressure
> Engine failure, valve stem separation at 150agl on take off
> Turbo taken off line, exhaust failure, airborn, while on take off DA 10500
> over water
> Incursion by another pilot while on short final with oil all over my
canopy
> Both aircraft cleared for final, side to side, for same runway, could see
> his eyes
> Several nose wheel shimmies, pilot induced on landing, corrected
> Landing flat nose wheel
> Door pops open in flight, several incidents
> Window open on take off,C172
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
> schrader
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mountain flying
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I keep Andrew Wikstrom's account of Michael's last day
> on my computer, along with some other Harter related
> stuff. I don't know of anyone who didn't like him.
>
> Andrew did an excellent job of recounting the day. He
> included that the DA was about 9500' and that Michael
> was just under the 1200# gross weight. They had
> talked earlier about going over the Grand Canyon, but
> Michael knew he could not make the 11,500' MSL
> restriction easily enough to attempt it.
>
> Michael did hug the left canyon wall before trying to
> turn. I had forgotten that. Andrew was concerned
> several times before that canyon about Mike's AGL
> height and cautioned him. Andrew stayed about 800'
> higher and still was insecure enough to turn out of
> that canyon first while telling Michael to do the
> same.
>
> Then Andrew said, "I watched Michael as he made every
> attempt to reverse his fate. I talked with him on the
> radio as he tried everything in his power to bring his
> plane out of that canyon."
>
> This was shortly after another great man, Ray Volk,
> died in his brother's arms when he crashed. I have
> Ray's plane pictured on my computer too. It was one
> of the first KitFox's I admired.
>
> Sometimes we should review the pain so as not to re-do
> the pain. IMHO
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 5/5/2004 12:35:13 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
> > One last thing. It is very deceptive to try and
> > find
> > "level" in the mountains. Too often terrain is
> > climbing and you don't know it until you notice your
> > speed still falling off at full power and the
> > terrain
> > is getting closer. It is truely a hard thing to
> > see.
> > Always leave a way out, sooner is better than later.
> >
> > Kurt S.
> > Kurt, This is good info that all of us should keep
> > in mind. It is such a
> > shame Mike Harter was lost to this very situation.
> >
> > John P. Marzluf
> > Columbus, Ohio
> > Outback, (out back in the garage)
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Jeffry,
The Lite slips very well... Your approach works well to keep you high
and
assure that the runway is made.... As you know there is very little excess
energy.. so just be prepared for that if the engine gets quite.
Practice your slips at altitude first.....
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeffry Larson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeffry Larson <jeffryl@us.ibm.com>
John McBean and others
I have a question about slipping my Kitfox Lite. While I haven't tried a
normal slip in my 52 hours, I have taken advantage of the dirty
configuration of the Lite to correct for the lack of pilot experience in
getting it down to the runway.
With the Lite, I reduce throttle to idle, kick in full flaps, which
produces a serious nose down. The Lite, when at idle in this position only
seems to accelerate to 55-60 mph. This feels like it's "diving" to the
runway, but is easily slowed with a gentle leveling of the controls. This
puts me back on the right glide path, at which time, I kick the throttle
back up to 2700 and resume my normal approach speed of 40 mph. As I get
within 10-15 feet of the runway, this bleeds off quickly to 30ish before I
start to flair.
This allows me to put it down where I want to, even if I've really screwed
up the approach and come in way too high, which I tend to do, mostly
because I have 3800' of runway in front of me most of the time. I've never
gone even halfway down the runway, usually landing on the first 1/4. If I
come in on RW7 at Tracy, there is a cross runway (31) that is 300' from the
threshold. With the above technique, I'm always down and stopped before
crossing 31.
Is there anything wrong with this other than the fact that as I migrate to
slicker planes, I will have to undo this behavior in my brain? Any and all
comments are appreciated. With 8 GA hours and 14 Ultralight hours before I
started flying my Lite, I learn something each time and now realize that I
don't know all that much, but I can and will learn.
Jeffry Larson
MCSE - MCP+Internet
Advisory Software Engineer
Shark Open Systems Lab
San Jose, CA 95193
jeffryl@us.ibm.com
ext 66097
=
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
You are correct Lowell....
As I try to keep in mind that some people learn to fly in spite of their
instruction......
PS.. Debra and I will see you at Cameron.. Anything we can do let us
know....
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mountain flying
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
>
> Read and Heed !!! Back country flying can be some of the most rewarding
and
> scenic flying one can do.
>
> Mountain flying kills lot's of people all the time, mostly because
> people don't get a mountain instructor, and get a good checkout.
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
Agree, but with one caveat. There is a flying school in Idaho, that rumor
has it, that has had a number of accidents with it's graduates. Completing
the school doesn't make anyone an expert. Take it slow.
There was a seminar conducted at Johnson Creek by a mountain flying guru a
year or tow ago. I wasn't there and this is a narrative of what was told me
and from memory. He asked those present to state their flying experience.
As expected there were log times from just a few yours to the many
thousands.
He then asked how many times people had been in to Johnson Creek. The low
time pilot - less than 150 hours - said 7. One of the thousands of hours
pilots said one. The guy commented that the 15 hour pilot "owned" Johnson
Creek and to the thousand hour pilot he said don't come back. He was pretty
blunt at the time, but this illustrates the point that experience is the
answer to mountain flying.
I have been in the Idaho mountains probably 5 or 6 times and to be frankly
honest every time it was flying in a group behind a very experienced "air
boss". would I do it alone? To a few places probably. To others probably
not.
Idaho is a very aviation friendly state with a lot of strips in the
mountains and around. There is a book - Fly Idaho - that rates every off
airport strip as to difficulty and gives tips on approaching and departing.
This is still inadequate. As John said, there are deaths up there every
year.
Lowell
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> jeff.hays@aselia.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mountain flying
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
> <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Living in Colorado (Coal Creek Canyon (near Wondervu)) and learning
> to fly in Colorado. One thing for sure. I fly in the mountains, one
> as if the plane is a glider (i.e. working ridge lift and thermals),
> second I don't fly in Canyon's (period), unless it is downhill and
> I can see the exit ... and I generally fly high enough to be able to
> glide to the next available emergency landing spot (which might mean
> flying a few thousand feet above terrain). In the mountains (at least
> in Colorado), if you happen to land in the mountains off airport, in
> a controlled fashion, you might then have a heck of a long tumbling
> ride down the face of some seriously ugly terrain (you see the Toyota
> commercial where the girl's boyfriend's tacoma get's shoved off a cliff?
> imagine that ride in an airplane BUT about 10 times farther to the
> bottom). Hiking in the rockies can be a challenge in itself, driving a
> car can be spooky on some of the roads. Landing in a canyon ... No Thanks!
>
> Mountain flying kills lot's of people all the time, mostly because
> people don't get a mountain instructor, and get a good checkout.
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Rick turboflyer@comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:19:27 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Mountain flying
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> I was just listening to an instructional tape the other day. I offer this
in
> the spirit of learning only. It was about surviving a crashes. Seems many
> have been caught by canyons and tried the impossible when beyond the point
> of no return. The least survivable crash in nose in. It was suggested ones
> chances of survival would be better by hitting the trees head on to adsorb
> some of the energy from the impact. Now, I know it would take some real
> quick thinking and nerves of steel to say to ones self, I am not going to
> make this turn, something is wrong, the terrain must be rising faster than
I
> can climb, I will hit those trees or pick a spot on the side of the
> mountain. And who knows if most people, self included ,could make that
> decision quick enough or at all. It is something to consider. If we stall
> and spin in nose first it is the worst possible crash. Having wings torn
> off, ground loops, flips and just about anything you can think of is
better
> than going in nose first. The tape series is by Rod Machado and is worth
> every penny. May we all learn from the experience and sadly the ultimate
> sacrifices of others.
>
> Rick
>
> Two engine fires
> Canopy blow off at 130IAS
> Engine failure, loss of oil pressure
> Engine failure, valve stem separation at 150agl on take off
> Turbo taken off line, exhaust failure, airborn, while on take off DA 10500
> over water
> Incursion by another pilot while on short final with oil all over my
canopy
> Both aircraft cleared for final, side to side, for same runway, could see
> his eyes
> Several nose wheel shimmies, pilot induced on landing, corrected
> Landing flat nose wheel
> Door pops open in flight, several incidents
> Window open on take off,C172
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
> schrader
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mountain flying
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I keep Andrew Wikstrom's account of Michael's last day
> on my computer, along with some other Harter related
> stuff. I don't know of anyone who didn't like him.
>
> Andrew did an excellent job of recounting the day. He
> included that the DA was about 9500' and that Michael
> was just under the 1200# gross weight. They had
> talked earlier about going over the Grand Canyon, but
> Michael knew he could not make the 11,500' MSL
> restriction easily enough to attempt it.
>
> Michael did hug the left canyon wall before trying to
> turn. I had forgotten that. Andrew was concerned
> several times before that canyon about Mike's AGL
> height and cautioned him. Andrew stayed about 800'
> higher and still was insecure enough to turn out of
> that canyon first while telling Michael to do the
> same.
>
> Then Andrew said, "I watched Michael as he made every
> attempt to reverse his fate. I talked with him on the
> radio as he tried everything in his power to bring his
> plane out of that canyon."
>
> This was shortly after another great man, Ray Volk,
> died in his brother's arms when he crashed. I have
> Ray's plane pictured on my computer too. It was one
> of the first KitFox's I admired.
>
> Sometimes we should review the pain so as not to re-do
> the pain. IMHO
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- KITFOXZ@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 5/5/2004 12:35:13 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
> > One last thing. It is very deceptive to try and
> > find
> > "level" in the mountains. Too often terrain is
> > climbing and you don't know it until you notice your
> > speed still falling off at full power and the
> > terrain
> > is getting closer. It is truely a hard thing to
> > see.
> > Always leave a way out, sooner is better than later.
> >
> > Kurt S.
> > Kurt, This is good info that all of us should keep
> > in mind. It is such a
> > shame Mike Harter was lost to this very situation.
> >
> > John P. Marzluf
> > Columbus, Ohio
> > Outback, (out back in the garage)
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com
Congrats to John Bonewitz for "Outstanding Workmanship Custom Built-Kit" at EAA's
SWRFI, New Braunfels Texas.
Many thanks for de-cowling your lycoming for me during the show--the pics turned
out great!
Brad Martin
Wichita
5-o235l2c
engine install
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic-Living in the North |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Don Pearsall wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Hmmmm, Scott, with your friends and their equipment, perhaps you could also
> make a 30 foot wide by 1500 foot long "Driveway!"
>
> Don Pearsall
>
Actually Don, That came first! My buddy's dad is an old Nome gold miner. When
he pulled off the claim adjacent to our little subdivision last season, he did
a great reclamation job which included a 60' x 1000' East-West "runway" which
is only 500 feet from my lot. My wife will have a front row seat to watch me
approach and land. I will just have to taxi up the road a short distance, down
the drive and into my hangar. Life will be good!
I can send you a picture off list if you want. We were out enjoying the view
from our new pad last night at 10:00PM. Still full daylight. "Skeeters" were
out for the 1st. time. That is a definite sign that Spring has arrived! Yeah!!
Scott in Nome
>
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| Subject: | Off Topic - North Saga Con't. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
I see a book being written here? Sounds like 'Nanook of the North' is
trying out his prose and writing styles on us unsuspecting
homebuilders....
Sid,
Believe it or not, our town high school's athletic teams name are the
Nome-Beltz H.S. NANOOKS.
Too busy now for a book, but who knows? Maybe someday. But are you
encouraging or discouraging me?
Scott in Nome
PS "Nanook" is an Inuit Eskimo word for Polar Bear
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic-Living in the North |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Scott McClintock wrote:
> Michel,
> Now that is a novel approach to cost sharing. How exactly does that
> work? Is there much dissension from the "southerners" in regards to
> subsidizing their "northern brothers"? Frankly, that sounds pretty
> socialistic (communistic) to me :-)
Socialist, Scott? I don't know. What would a non-socialist government do in a
country that is so different from north to south?
Norway gets a lot of money from the North Sea oil and gas fields. Who should
benefit from it? The nation? The west country? (i.e. the Norwegians facing the
North Sea) The county where the oil reaches a refinery? The refinery itself?
The director of the refinery? Can he share it with his wife?
Personally, I happily share the expenses of shipping bananas to Torgeir up
north. I do it because it is the decision of my democratically elected
government. I live by the greatest thought known to mankind; the words of
Voltaire who said: "I disagree with you but I will offer my life to defend your
right to say so!" That very idea is the cornerstone of the US Constitution, of
which you can be very proud.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@Charter.net>
It was in jest, but light hearted and not malicous in any way. Your
commentary was spoken as truly as if I was back there with you......and you
are to be commended for living up there and dealing with the elements. More
of us should be that adventurous and hardy.........
Sid
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Believe it or not, our town high school's athletic teams name are the
Nome-Beltz H.S. NANOOKS.
Too busy now for a book, but who knows? Maybe someday. But are you
encouraging or discouraging me?
Scott in Nome
PS "Nanook" is an Inuit Eskimo word for Polar Bear
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic-Living in the North |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Hi Scott,
Would you send me a picture of that airstrip. I would really appreciate
it. Thanks. Do Not Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Scott McClintock wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
>Actually Don, That came first! My buddy's dad is an old Nome gold miner. When
>he pulled off the claim adjacent to our little subdivision last season, he did
>a great reclamation job which included a 60' x 1000' East-West "runway" which
>is only 500 feet from my lot. My wife will have a front row seat to watch me
>approach and land. I will just have to taxi up the road a short distance, down
>the drive and into my hangar. Life will be good!
>I can send you a picture off list if you want. We were out enjoying the view
>from our new pad last night at 10:00PM. Still full daylight. "Skeeters" were
>out for the 1st. time. That is a definite sign that Spring has arrived! Yeah!!
>Scott in Nome
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Man, a 747 in a slip! That is a great video clip!
The Super cub take off is neat too!
Also the Sukoi (?) inverted under the bridge! He almost drags his tail in
the water as he is pulling up. ....or down as the case may be.
Thanks for the address Jeff!
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jeff.hays@aselia.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
>
>Fwiw - Have you guys ever seen the 747 video showing a big ol' slip right
>down to the runway? I just reviewed the video twice to make sure it truly
>was a slip, and sure enough it was. Incidentally, it was a perfect landing
>that otherwise would have been a disaster.
>
>I'd love you send this video to all of you, but I'm afraid my dial up
>connection would require an awful long time to get it out. However, if
>anyone is interested in sending this clip around on their own, I'd be happy
>to send it to one of you.
>
>Paul Seehafer
>Wisconsin
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Where can I find this Randy. Sounds good
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Slipping
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
> Man, a 747 in a slip! That is a great video clip!
>
> The Super cub take off is neat too!
>
> Also the Sukoi (?) inverted under the bridge! He almost drags his tail
in
> the water as he is pulling up. ....or down as the case may be.
>
> Thanks for the address Jeff!
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jeff.hays@aselia.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
> <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
>
>
> >
> >Fwiw - Have you guys ever seen the 747 video showing a big ol' slip right
> >down to the runway? I just reviewed the video twice to make sure it
truly
> >was a slip, and sure enough it was. Incidentally, it was a perfect
landing
> >that otherwise would have been a disaster.
> >
> >I'd love you send this video to all of you, but I'm afraid my dial up
> >connection would require an awful long time to get it out. However, if
> >anyone is interested in sending this clip around on their own, I'd be
happy
> >to send it to one of you.
> >
> >Paul Seehafer
> >Wisconsin
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Cameron Air Park Fly-In |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Lowell,
Just to let you know. Dave King and I are planning on flying in June 12th.
Dave in his Fox, I in the Sonex. We are not planning to be in formation.
Dave does not have to make as many pit stops as I, but I have faster cruise!
We expect to arrive earlier than last year! (While the food is still hot!)
Cheers, Bruce
> PS.. Debra and I will see you at Cameron.. Anything we can do let us
> know....
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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