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1. 03:11 AM - (off-topic) Video format (Michel Verheughe)
2. 09:09 AM - Re: Mountain Flying (John Larsen)
3. 09:38 AM - Re: (off-topic) Video format (Dee Young)
4. 01:52 PM - Gap sealing (Michel Verheughe)
5. 03:53 PM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (kurt schrader)
6. 04:11 PM - Re: Gap sealing (kurt schrader)
7. 04:32 PM - Re: Ground Loop (kurt schrader)
8. 04:32 PM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (Marc Arseneault)
9. 04:35 PM - Re: Gap sealing (Marc Arseneault)
10. 04:39 PM - Re: Ground Loop (kurt schrader)
11. 04:54 PM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (Lowell Fitt)
12. 05:03 PM - Re: Off Topic-Living in the North (Scott McClintock)
13. 09:07 PM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (kurt schrader)
14. 09:39 PM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | (off-topic) Video format |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dee Young wrote:
> Need some help here, can't seem to get the photo or vidio to come up, any ideas?????
Dee, it's a jungle out there. There are too many video formats, each one trying
to get his format to become the standard. QuickTime, MediaPlayer, RealPlayer,
DivX, ...
You may see some and not others. Some are streamed, i.e. the play as you load
them, and others expect that the load is finished before they start playing.
Then there are the settings in you web browser. Maybe you need to allocate some
file extension to some programs you already have. Then again, you may not have
that program but a "player" version in the plugins of your web browser.
... as I said, it's a jungle out there. As an Art Director, making maritime
training multimedia, I personally prefer saving video in the Macromedia Flash
format, using the Sorensen compression algorithm. About 90% of the web browser
have already the Flash plugin installed. But ... it's still a jungle!
Try sorting out your "players" and write to me in private if you have
questions. Bear in mind, however, that I work on a Macintosh, which is slightly
different. Good luck, my friend.
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Mountain Flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hi
Years ago Dan Denny put a series II N84DD down in the trees at SnF.
There was very little damage to the plane and none to the pilot, except
the new appreciation of the knowledge about taking off with a poorly
running engine.
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>This is what I learned long ago too. If you have to
>go down in a forest, aim right between the tops of two
>pines close together maybe 5' down. Pines are nice
>enough to bend under the impact and cushin the stop.
>Your wings will do the same. If you are a good aim, a
>third pine just past the first 2 will catch your
>fuselage and stop you safely, so the theory goes.
>Bring a rope.
>
>I suppose the same is useful in rough terrain. Trees
>are softer than big rocks.
>
>If you are real cool, you'd be planning your next
>building project just before impact.... :-) As we can
>see, our KF's have a habbit of almost always allowing
>us to walk away and say, "Darn, now I gotta' build
>another one."
>
>Kurt S.
>
>--- Scott McClintock
>
>
>>Rick wrote: I was just listening to an instructional
>>tape the other day.
>>
>>I have a good friend who survived a mountainside
>>crash a couple of years
>>ago. He suffered a catastrophic engine failure in a
>>C-172 while flying
>>across Admiralty Island in SE Alaska. His technique
>>was to fly as normal
>>an approach to landing as possible with the tree
>>tops as his target.
>>He said that his intention was to stall the plane
>>just as he touched the tops.
>>Apparently, this method worked as I will be seeing
>>him in a few weeks and we will be flying his Husky.
>>
>>Scott in Nome
>>
>>PS Yes, the Cessna was totaled
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Video format |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:35:07 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Thanks for the help guys, got it going
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----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Verheughe<mailto:michel@online.no>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 3:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: (off-topic) Video format
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no<mailto:michel@online.no>>
Dee Young wrote:
> Need some help here, can't seem to get the photo or vidio to come up, any ideas?????
Dee, it's a jungle out there. There are too many video formats, each one trying
to get his format to become the standard. QuickTime, MediaPlayer, RealPlayer,
DivX, ...
You may see some and not others. Some are streamed, i.e. the play as you load
them, and others expect that the load is finished before they start playing.
Then there are the settings in you web browser. Maybe you need to allocate some
file extension to some programs you already have. Then again, you may not have
that program but a "player" version in the plugins of your web browser.
... as I said, it's a jungle out there. As an Art Director, making maritime
training multimedia, I personally prefer saving video in the Macromedia Flash
format, using the Sorensen compression algorithm. About 90% of the web browser
have already the Flash plugin installed. But ... it's still a jungle!
Try sorting out your "players" and write to me in private if you have
questions. Bear in mind, however, that I work on a Macintosh, which is slightly
different. Good luck, my friend.
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
Just to let you know that I gap-sealed the elevator of my model 3, today. In a
test, I managed to land, for the first time in my life, touching the tailwheel
first. It proves it DOES work!
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
--- John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> Years ago Dan Denny put a series II N84DD down in
> the trees at SnF.
> There was very little damage to the plane and none
> to the pilot, except the new appreciation of
> the knowledge about taking off with a poorly
> running engine.
John, today I kind'a know how he feels.
Today was a good news, bad news day for me too. Good
news first:
1. I had removed my NSI CAP prop and rebuilt it to
fix the excessive pitch change play. I remounted my
prop and tracked it with paper shims to within 3/32"
or less at the tips. The pitch change takes 12
seconds, or 3 seconds less than origionally, and there
is very little pitch play. All looked good.
2. I installed a new fuel pump and cleaned the
filter. I also installed a new manifold pressure
gauge. My engine runup went well with the new
manifold pressure gauge reading correctly and no fuel
leaks.
3. I changed engine and gearbox oil, I capped off the
oil pan return from my breather system, and I replace
the entire breather system itself. I put a temporary
clear poly hose on the left side so I could watch for
oil blowing to the breather. Both 1/2" I.D. hoses
leave the valve covers vertically, one 90 degrees and
the other 45 degrees, and then on to a new
seperator/breather that holds 1 qt of oil, should it
still blow by. I hope that any oil blowing up the
lines will just drain back down into the valve covers.
If it doesn't, the 1 qt breather has a drain to check
on preflight. The system is slightly lighter than the
origional. During the engine run I only got water
vapor thru the clear hose and no leaks. This is not
the same as flying with it, but a good sign.
The bad news:
1. Now my spinner wobbles. It must have been a bent
prop blade that I tracked straight to the loss of a
true running prop hub and spinner. Shimming between
the prop hub and spinner backing plate will still
leave the prop hub wobbling and that will impact the
spinner at the front spinner alignment plate.
2. So why is the subject "chocks"? As I was moving
planes about to get mine out of the hangar, a gust of
wind blew my plane off the concrete pad, down a 7'
embankment and into a pine tree. As your imaginations
run wild, I should say that the 10+ mph winds gusted
on me to over 20 mph about then, and it could have
been worse. The plane could have flown. The hangar
owner had his Cub do the same thing. It went thru a
fence and onto a road taking out a fence post and the
tail of the plane too.
His should have been a Fox. In my case, a tree lost.
The left flapperon trailing edge sliced into tree
branches like a knife, spliting them. The flapperon,
which was luckily disconnected, turned trailing edge
up pushing the branches around the wing. The wing
trailing edge bent slightly in only one place. The
flapperon is straight, but the leading edge and upper
surface are wrinkled for about 10". I already
straightened the wing trailing edge and it all appears
flyable. Just not pretty. I'll have to see if I can
work some of the dents out of the flapperon with
suction. If this were a metal plane, the damage would
have been much worse.
So "CHOCKS!" My plane went into the trees and the
pilot was not hurt either - except spiritually. This
is what happens when you get too little help and try
to do it yourself in the time available. Sometimes it
is just better to walk away.
PS: I may need a new left flapperon. Hope SS is back
operating soon, or one of you out there has one.
Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Way to go Michel!
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--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Just to let you know that I gap-sealed the elevator
> of my model 3, today. In a
> test, I managed to land, for the first time in my
> life, touching the tailwheel
> first. It proves it DOES work!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
This will be very interesting. Thanks John.
Kurt S.
--- John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Hi ;
>
> I am trying to put a comparison test together for
> Kitplanes between the
> Airdale, KF Series 7, Rans S-7 and a Zenith 701,
> each with a 100 hp
> engine and see how they handle a back country strip.
> I don't know of a
> 100 hp Avid around here at this time, if I can find
> one I will include
> it in. I designed the Airdale in 1995, so some of
> the improvements have
> already been used by other manufacturers. The point
> of this comparison
> is how they work as back country planes. We will see
> what happens.
> Thanks John.
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
>
>
> >John,
> >
> >If you have the time someday, I would be interested
> in
> >learning how the Airdale stacks up to the KF/Avids
> it
> >is designed to improve on. We don't hear much
> about
> >them here as far as I know. What can we add to
> ours
> >to improve them like Airdale did?
> >
> >Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Kurt,
Sorry to hear about your luck. The wind is our worst enemy sometimes. I have seen
it pick up a plane that was on floats and flip it right over.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: kurt schrader smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Chocks (was mountain
flying) Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) -- Kitfox-List message
posted by: kurt schrader smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com --- John Larsen jopatco@mindspring.com
wrote: Hi Years ago Dan Denny put a series II N84DD down in
the trees at SnF. There was very little damage to the plane and none to the
pilot, except the new appreciation of the knowledge about taking off with a
poorly running engine. John, today I kind'a know how he feels. Today was a good
news, bad news day for me too. Good news first: 1. I had removed my NSI CAP
prop and rebuilt it to fix the excessive pitch change play. I remounted my prop
and tracked it with paper shims to within 3/32"
or less at the tips. The pitch change takes 12 seconds, or 3 seconds less than
origionally, and there is very little pitch play. All looked good. 2. I installed
a new fuel pump and cleaned the filter. I also installed a new manifold pressure
gauge. My engine runup went well with the new manifold pressure gauge
reading correctly and no fuel leaks. 3. I changed engine and gearbox oil, I capped
off the oil pan return from my breather system, and I replace the entire
breather system itself. I put a temporary clear poly hose on the left side so
I could watch for oil blowing to the breather. Both 1/2" I.D. hoses leave the
valve covers vertically, one 90 degrees and the other 45 degrees, and then on
to a new seperator/breather that holds 1 qt of oil, should it still blow by. I
hope that any oil blowing up the lines will just drain back down into the valve
covers. If it doesn't, the 1 qt breather has a drain to check on preflight.
The system is slightly lighter than the origional. D
uring the engine run I only got water vapor thru the clear hose and no leaks.
This is not the same as flying with it, but a good sign. The bad news: 1. Now
my spinner wobbles. It must have been a bent prop blade that I tracked straight
to the loss of a true running prop hub and spinner. Shimming between the prop
hub and spinner backing plate will still leave the prop hub wobbling and that
will impact the spinner at the front spinner alignment plate. 2. So why is the
subject "chocks"? As I was moving planes about to get mine out of the hangar,
a gust of wind blew my plane off the concrete pad, down a 7' embankment and
into a pine tree. As your imaginations run wild, I should say that the 10+ mph
winds gusted on me to over 20 mph about then, and it could have been worse.
The plane could have flown. The hangar owner had his Cub do the same thing. It
went thru a fence and onto a road taking out a fence post and the tail of the
plane too. His should have been a Fox. In my case, a
tree lost. The left flapperon trailing edge sliced into tree branches like a
knife, spliting them. The flapperon, which was luckily disconnected, turned trailing
edge up pushing the branches around the wing. The wing trailing edge bent
slightly in only one place. The flapperon is straight, but the leading edge
and upper surface are wrinkled for about 10". I already straightened the wing
trailing edge and it all appears flyable. Just not pretty. I'll have to see if
I can work some of the dents out of the flapperon with suction. If this were
a metal plane, the damage would have been much worse. So "CHOCKS!" My plane went
into the trees and the pilot was not hurt either - except spiritually. This
is what happens when you get too little help and try to do it yourself in the
time available. Sometimes it is just better to walk away. PS: I may need a new
left flapperon. Hope SS is back operating soon, or one of you out there has
one. Kurt S. __________________________________ http
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Congradgulations Michel!
It only gets better from here on. Presently still in training, it sure is a good
feeling when I do a perfect landing.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Scott,
I hope you know that we all go thru this stuff over
and over again here, because we know we might do it
some day too. It is not to second guess you, but to
learn our lessons, maybe by repetition. We know it
has been a bother to you, but thanks for telling us
about what happened and for not shutting down on us.
I think groundloops are the most common KF accident.
Kurt S.
--- Scott McClintock
>
> Michel,
> The whole process happened so quickly. One moment I
> was happily rolling down the
> centerline, next I was swung perpendicular to it!
> I have gone over (and over) this incident in my mind
> many times. It's alot like
> being an "armchair quarterback". It's easy to second
> guess and say "I should have or could have done...
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| Subject: | Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Sorry Kurt, It sort of reminds me of when I pinned one wing while unfolding
the other. The problem was that the pin was not in the spar only in air.
I had to patch a hole in the fabric on the vertical stab and still have the
ding from the radio antenna - trailing edge of flaperon. Things do happen
quickly at times.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Chocks (was mountain flying)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> --- John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > Years ago Dan Denny put a series II N84DD down in
> > the trees at SnF.
> > There was very little damage to the plane and none
> > to the pilot, except the new appreciation of
> > the knowledge about taking off with a poorly
> > running engine.
>
> John, today I kind'a know how he feels.
>
> Today was a good news, bad news day for me too. Good
> news first:
>
> 1. I had removed my NSI CAP prop and rebuilt it to
> fix the excessive pitch change play. I remounted my
> prop and tracked it with paper shims to within 3/32"
> or less at the tips. The pitch change takes 12
> seconds, or 3 seconds less than origionally, and there
> is very little pitch play. All looked good.
>
> 2. I installed a new fuel pump and cleaned the
> filter. I also installed a new manifold pressure
> gauge. My engine runup went well with the new
> manifold pressure gauge reading correctly and no fuel
> leaks.
>
> 3. I changed engine and gearbox oil, I capped off the
> oil pan return from my breather system, and I replace
> the entire breather system itself. I put a temporary
> clear poly hose on the left side so I could watch for
> oil blowing to the breather. Both 1/2" I.D. hoses
> leave the valve covers vertically, one 90 degrees and
> the other 45 degrees, and then on to a new
> seperator/breather that holds 1 qt of oil, should it
> still blow by. I hope that any oil blowing up the
> lines will just drain back down into the valve covers.
> If it doesn't, the 1 qt breather has a drain to check
> on preflight. The system is slightly lighter than the
> origional. During the engine run I only got water
> vapor thru the clear hose and no leaks. This is not
> the same as flying with it, but a good sign.
>
> The bad news:
>
> 1. Now my spinner wobbles. It must have been a bent
> prop blade that I tracked straight to the loss of a
> true running prop hub and spinner. Shimming between
> the prop hub and spinner backing plate will still
> leave the prop hub wobbling and that will impact the
> spinner at the front spinner alignment plate.
>
> 2. So why is the subject "chocks"? As I was moving
> planes about to get mine out of the hangar, a gust of
> wind blew my plane off the concrete pad, down a 7'
> embankment and into a pine tree. As your imaginations
> run wild, I should say that the 10+ mph winds gusted
> on me to over 20 mph about then, and it could have
> been worse. The plane could have flown. The hangar
> owner had his Cub do the same thing. It went thru a
> fence and onto a road taking out a fence post and the
> tail of the plane too.
>
> His should have been a Fox. In my case, a tree lost.
> The left flapperon trailing edge sliced into tree
> branches like a knife, spliting them. The flapperon,
> which was luckily disconnected, turned trailing edge
> up pushing the branches around the wing. The wing
> trailing edge bent slightly in only one place. The
> flapperon is straight, but the leading edge and upper
> surface are wrinkled for about 10". I already
> straightened the wing trailing edge and it all appears
> flyable. Just not pretty. I'll have to see if I can
> work some of the dents out of the flapperon with
> suction. If this were a metal plane, the damage would
> have been much worse.
>
> So "CHOCKS!" My plane went into the trees and the
> pilot was not hurt either - except spiritually. This
> is what happens when you get too little help and try
> to do it yourself in the time available. Sometimes it
> is just better to walk away.
>
> PS: I may need a new left flapperon. Hope SS is back
> operating soon, or one of you out there has one.
>
> Kurt S.
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic-Living in the North |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Shane,
And you forgot to mention:
Never need to lock your house
Don't need to remove your keys from the car ignition
Airport has no fences
Everybody knows everybody's business, so no need to lie about it.
You don't lose your wife, just your turn. (ha, ha)
Scott in Nome
Shane Sather wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
>
> Hello List
>
> I am writing from Northern central Canada where we are still covered in snow
> and our temperature are still below freezing. And yes our milk is expensive
> too, around $14.00 CAN per gal. And like Scot says it is very expensive to
> live up North. We are trying to build a home and to make a pad for our house
> it is going to cost us around 10K also, and that is not using nice gravel
> either. We too do get some relief in the high costs in the form of an
> settlement allowance. The amount depends on the community in which a person
> lives in. It can vary from $ 6000 to $ 23000. We are fortunate to live in
> Cambridge Bay as we have jet airline service from two carriers, most
> northern communities do not have this luxury. It still costs us @ $ 1400.00
> return to fly to a southern destination. But with all these negatives it is
> still one of the best places to live if you like wide open spaces and the
> freedom to go where you please, when you please (weather permitting) and if
> you like to see wildlife and nature in its natural state it can't be beat.
> And this is why I have chosen to live in the Arctic.
>
> But as an aside I sure enjoy going south once in awhile to enjoy all that it
> offers, warmth, trees, its own beautiful areas and so many places to spend
> my money. I thought I would just pass this on from a Northern point of view.
>
> Shane
> Cambridge Bay, Nunavut, Canada.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott McClintock" <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off Topic-Living in the North
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> >
> >
> > Don Pearsall wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
> <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Hmmmm, Scott, with your friends and their equipment, perhaps you could
> also
> > > make a 30 foot wide by 1500 foot long "Driveway!"
> > >
> > > Don Pearsall
> > >
> >
> > Actually Don, That came first! My buddy's dad is an old Nome gold miner.
> When
> > he pulled off the claim adjacent to our little subdivision last season, he
> did
> > a great reclamation job which included a 60' x 1000' East-West "runway"
> which
> > is only 500 feet from my lot. My wife will have a front row seat to watch
> me
> > approach and land. I will just have to taxi up the road a short distance,
> down
> > the drive and into my hangar. Life will be good!
> > I can send you a picture off list if you want. We were out enjoying the
> view
> > from our new pad last night at 10:00PM. Still full daylight. "Skeeters"
> were
> > out for the 1st. time. That is a definite sign that Spring has arrived!
> Yeah!!
> > Scott in Nome
> >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Lowell,
No sense in being mad. I just have to remember that
this is the first of many dings. I plan to "use" my
plane, so it will get dinged plenty. Not meant to be
a show piece. Looking for matching duct tape for
field repairs... :-)
Kurt S.
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--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
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> Sorry Kurt, It sort of reminds me of when I pinned
> one wing while unfolding
> the other. The problem was that the pin was not in
> the spar only in air.
> I had to patch a hole in the fabric on the vertical
> stab and still have the
> ding from the radio antenna - trailing edge of
> flaperon. Things do happen
> quickly at times.
>
> Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Marc,
When I got home I found out we had tornado warnings
until midnight. Surprise! No excuses though. I just
had my focus too close to my nose. Drat!
Kurt S.
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--- Marc Arseneault <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> Sorry to hear about your luck. The wind is our worst
> enemy sometimes. I have seen it pick up a plane that
> was on floats and flip it right over.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marc Arseneault
> Ontario Canada
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