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1. 02:50 AM - Re: Ground Loop (michel)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Slipping a 747 (Lowell Fitt)
3. 07:08 AM - Weight & Balance (Arthur Nation)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: Gap sealing (michel)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (JMCBEAN)
6. 08:02 AM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (kurt schrader)
7. 08:48 AM - Re: Slipping a 747 (kurt schrader)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: Ground Loop (kurt schrader)
9. 09:48 AM - Re: Ground Loop (Scott McClintock)
10. 11:43 AM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
11. 04:06 PM - Re: Slipping a 747 (Thomas Lee)
12. 04:55 PM - Re: Slipping a 747 (Fox5flyer)
13. 08:42 PM - Re: Slipping a 747 (Aerobatics@aol.com)
14. 09:18 PM - Max crosswind (Don)
15. 09:35 PM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (jimshumaker)
16. 09:40 PM - Re: Gap sealing (jimshumaker)
17. 10:59 PM - Re: Weight & Balance (Jeff Smathers)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I am sorry to hear about the damages on your Kitfox due to the wind gust,
Kurt. It must certainly hurt after all the building you have done, unlike
myself who bought a second-hand plane.
>I think groundloops are the most common KF accident.
It looks so, and since anchoring your plane was an issue in your previous
email, here is what I have as a project for my next plane:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/VolAuVent.jpg
As you can see, the anchor can also be used to prevent a ground loop. What do
you think of it? ;-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive - not serious at all!
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping a 747 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
My Wife, Kay works for UAL and has been into HKG numerous times. She always
talked about seeing the people in the high rise apartments with their
laundry out on the railings watching TV as the airplane (747) glides through
a gap in all that humanity. I don't think the pilots miss it much.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping a 747
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> > I would call this a forward slip.
>
> And you are most probably right, Randy. I forgot that one.
>
> > I am sorry to hear it is closed.
>
> I think the people of Hong Kong are very pleased with their new airport,
> situated on another island, away from the center of the city. I understand
that
> Kay Tak was famous for its difficult northerly approach. In fact, I
believe it
> was the only place in the world where the ILS was divided in two, turning
at
> nearly 90 degrees around a radio and visual mark called the checker
because of
> its painted appearance. All this is, of course, from hanging out in
> aviation-related internet places, because I've never been there.
> Although, the company I worked for previously, Norcontrol, provided the
> Approach, Tower and Ground radar system for the new airport. But I never
one of
> the lucky guys who travelled onsite.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
Hi List:
Would appreciate some numbers regarding the W&B of the S7 and/or S6.
I need the gear weights (tail dragger/tri-gear) for the 912S and Lyc. or
Continental installation. Please include any total weight figures for the FWF
engine installations if you have them.
Thanks,
Arthur
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Marc Arseneault"
>It only gets better from here on. Presently still in training,
>it sure is a good feeling when I do a perfect landing.
Thanks Marc but gap-sealing the elevator doesn't improve my landings, it only
gives me more control. But I agree with you, a "perfect" landing gives a very
good feeling. And doing a "perfect" landing in a taildragger is ... close to
nirvana! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Kurt,
Try Wal-Mart... have found matching tape there in the past..... :)
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Chocks (was mountain flying)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Lowell,
No sense in being mad. I just have to remember that
this is the first of many dings. I plan to "use" my
plane, so it will get dinged plenty. Not meant to be
a show piece. Looking for matching duct tape for
field repairs... :-)
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Kurt, It sort of reminds me of when I pinned
> one wing while unfolding
> the other. The problem was that the pin was not in
> the spar only in air.
> I had to patch a hole in the fabric on the vertical
> stab and still have the
> ding from the radio antenna - trailing edge of
> flaperon. Things do happen
> quickly at times.
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
I'll do that - really! It would be the only
structural part that is not "aviation" if I use it,
but that is what field repairs are all about. I have
images of elk cleaning their horns on my wings, etc
while I camp. Or running over a stick while landing
and having it poke the fabric. Wonder if it works as
a tire patch too? Would save me the weight of a patch
kit.
We should compare flight tool kits here sometime to
see what everyone has found as "necessary". There
are a lot of good ideas, and lessons learned from bad
experience that would save repeating them, if shared.
Kurt S.
--- JMCBEAN <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> Kurt,
> Try Wal-Mart... have found matching tape
> there in the past..... :)
>
> Blue Skies!!
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping a 747 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I have been to the old Hong Kong airport a bunch of
times too. As I remember, on the multi-legged
approach (designed to keep you out of communist China)
you end up flying right at the side of a mountain.
When you see the large checkerboard square, you make a
hard right turn to land. If you don't turn NOW, you
hit the dirt. It is doing mountain flying like we
have been talking about, but with a 747.
The 747 in the movie turned late. Think of where the
movie is being taken from, and where the 747 was to
the camera, just before the movie started. He
overshot the runway and did a great job of getting
back to it, considering being seconds away from
crashing into the mountain. This is what you do when
pride doesn't allow you to do a missed approach. IMHO
There were a few "slips" on the approach before this
one. I think it was very close.....
Kurt S.
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> My Wife, Kay works for UAL and has been into HKG
> numerous times. She always
> talked about seeing the people in the high rise
> apartments with their
> laundry out on the railings watching TV as the
> airplane (747) glides through
> a gap in all that humanity. I don't think the
> pilots miss it much.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slipping a 747
>
> >
> > Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> > > I would call this a forward slip.
> >
> > And you are most probably right, Randy. I forgot
> that one.
> >
> > > I am sorry to hear it is closed.
> >
> > I think the people of Hong Kong are very pleased
> with their new airport,
> > situated on another island, away from the center
> of the city. I understand
> that
> > Kay Tak was famous for its difficult northerly
> approach. In fact, I believe it
> > was the only place in the world where the ILS was
> divided in two, turning at
> > nearly 90 degrees around a radio and visual mark
> called the checker because of its painted
> appearance. All this is, of course, from hanging out
> in aviation-related internet places, because I've
> never been there.
> > Although, the company I worked for previously,
> Norcontrol, provided the
> > Approach, Tower and Ground radar system for the
> new airport. But I never
> one of the lucky guys who travelled onsite.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Now there is a solution. Put an arresting hook on our
KF's. Short landings and no chance to ground loop.
Kurt S.
--- michel <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> >===== Original Message From kurt schrader
> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I am sorry to hear about the damages on your Kitfox
> due to the wind gust,
> Kurt. It must certainly hurt after all the building
> you have done, unlike
> myself who bought a second-hand plane.
>
> >I think groundloops are the most common KF
> accident.
>
> It looks so, and since anchoring your plane was an
> issue in your previous
> email, here is what I have as a project for my next
> plane:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/VolAuVent.jpg
>
> As you can see, the anchor can also be used to
> prevent a ground loop. What do
> you think of it? ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive - not serious at all!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Obviously, Michel's got one of them "Naval Kitfoxes". Kinda like a sailplane.
I'll bet it's painted white or gray :-)
Scott in Nome
kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Now there is a solution. Put an arresting hook on our
> KF's. Short landings and no chance to ground loop.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- michel <michel@online.no> wrote:
> >
> > >===== Original Message From kurt schrader
> > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I am sorry to hear about the damages on your Kitfox
> > due to the wind gust,
> > Kurt. It must certainly hurt after all the building
> > you have done, unlike
> > myself who bought a second-hand plane.
> >
> > >I think groundloops are the most common KF
> > accident.
> >
> > It looks so, and since anchoring your plane was an
> > issue in your previous
> > email, here is what I have as a project for my next
> > plane:
> >
> > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/VolAuVent.jpg
> >
> > As you can see, the anchor can also be used to
> > prevent a ground loop. What do
> > you think of it? ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive - not serious at all!
>
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| Subject: | Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Just saw an ad the other day for a new "clear" duct tape from Scotch
Original Message:
-----------------
From: JMCBEAN JDMCBEAN@cableone.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Chocks (was mountain flying)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Kurt,
Try Wal-Mart... have found matching tape there in the past..... :)
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Chocks (was mountain flying)
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Lowell,
No sense in being mad. I just have to remember that
this is the first of many dings. I plan to "use" my
plane, so it will get dinged plenty. Not meant to be
a show piece. Looking for matching duct tape for
field repairs... :-)
Kurt S.
Do not archive
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Kurt, It sort of reminds me of when I pinned
> one wing while unfolding
> the other. The problem was that the pin was not in
> the spar only in air.
> I had to patch a hole in the fabric on the vertical
> stab and still have the
> ding from the radio antenna - trailing edge of
> flaperon. Things do happen
> quickly at times.
>
> Lowell
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping a 747 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Hi Lowell,
What Kay saw was unique to the old Kai Tak airport in the city center.
In 1997, the passenger traffic was 29.7 million a year,
31 takeoffs and landings per hour at its peak (there was a
midnight-to-dawn curfew for noise abaitment). The new airport at
Chek Lap Kok operates 24 hours a day, can handle 49 aircraft movements
per hour, serving up to 87 million passengers a year.
thomas. Vixen.
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>My Wife, Kay works for UAL and has been into HKG numerous times. She always
>talked about seeing the people in the high rise apartments with their
>laundry out on the railings watching TV as the airplane (747) glides through
>a gap in all that humanity. I don't think the pilots miss it much.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping a 747 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Wow, that's moving a lot of metal.
Darrel
Ret atc
> What Kay saw was unique to the old Kai Tak airport in the city center.
> In 1997, the passenger traffic was 29.7 million a year,
> 31 takeoffs and landings per hour at its peak (there was a
> midnight-to-dawn curfew for noise abaitment). The new airport at
> Chek Lap Kok operates 24 hours a day, can handle 49 aircraft movements
> per hour, serving up to 87 million passengers a year.
>
> thomas. Vixen.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slipping a 747 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
In a message dated 5/24/2004 6:12:48 PM Central Standard Time,
thomasleekf@comcast.net writes:
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
> >My Wife, Kay works for UAL and has been into HKG numerous times. She
> always
> >talked about seeing the people in the high rise apartments with their
> >laundry out on the railings watching TV as the airplane (747) glides
> through
> >a gap in all that humanity. I don't think the pilots miss it much.
Its true I go for business every 8 weeks or so... the new airport is
awsome... the old, well....its true you COULD see into the apts
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don" <donfox@inreach.com>
Anyone have an opinion about max crosswind for a 650# Mod 4? Don
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| Subject: | Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Sorry to hear about your mis-hap Kurt. I have had a couple that were much
worse because of the wind.
Jim Shumaker
Do not archive.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Congratulations Michel.
Now what have I been telling you about Vortex Generators? Would you like me
to send you a few?
Jim Shumaker
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Gap sealing
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Hello guys,
>
> Just to let you know that I gap-sealed the elevator of my model 3, today.
In a
> test, I managed to land, for the first time in my life, touching the
tailwheel
> first. It proves it DOES work!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi Arthur,
My Kitfox 5 ended up with 400 lbs at each main wheel and 53 at the tail.
853 total anf the CG is @ 12.73"
Jeff Smathers NSI Subaru EA-81 with CAP140 > N456JT< 56 hrs total time.
Arthur Nation wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
>
> Hi List:
> Would appreciate some numbers regarding the W&B of the S7 and/or S6.
> I need the gear weights (tail dragger/tri-gear) for the 912S and Lyc. or
> Continental installation. Please include any total weight figures for the FWF
> engine installations if you have them.
> Thanks,
> Arthur
>
> do not archive
>
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