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1. 04:54 AM - Toolkits WAS: Chocks (michel)
2. 05:11 AM - making ya feel better......... (hausding, sid)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) (Wwillyard@aol.com)
4. 07:09 AM - Re: Toolkits WAS: Chocks (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
5. 08:33 AM - Re: Max crosswind (Bruce Harrington)
6. 08:43 AM - gap sealing stuff......... (hausding, sid)
7. 03:34 PM - Looking for Sling seat? (Steve Cooper)
8. 05:28 PM - KITFOX FLIES AGAIN (David & Maria Lumgair)
9. 05:31 PM - PS... (David & Maria Lumgair)
10. 07:09 PM - aluminum (Dave & Darlene)
11. 07:15 PM - Re: KITFOX FLIES AGAIN (Steve Zakreski)
12. 08:34 PM - Re: aluminum (Shane Sather)
13. 09:25 PM - Re: Ground Loop (John Larsen)
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| Subject: | Toolkits WAS: Chocks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>We should compare flight tool kits here sometime to
>see what everyone has found as "necessary".
My faithful Swiss knife, a mini Maglite, a sparkplug key, 4 spare sparkplugs
... that's all. I travel light. Looking forward to hearing from you, guys.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | making ya feel better......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Just to show you we are all nearly in the same boat, or are going to be....
I had just finished painting my project and was assembling the final fit.
My wife and I were moving one of the speedwings (short, but built stoutly)
and the new finish was sort of slippery.
Well, we dropped the tip on the concrete floor from about two feet in the
air and bent one of the spar extensions inside the fiberglass tip assembly..
...man, oh man, how can you do a 'ground loop' inside your garage? I did.
Now, my perfect project has one repair and its not even had the engine
started yet!
If that won't make ya feel better about flying and using yours and making a
little, teeny mistake (maybe a bump or crack in the strip?), then nothing
will cure your guilt complex. Not that you have one, but I know how you
feel about 'bruising' the beast.......its just a machine and now you get
some repair and replace experience. See, now you're the well rounded
homebuilder and flyer.
Sid
still trying to get out the door
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| Subject: | Re: Chocks (was mountain flying) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 5/24/2004 2:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeff.hays@aselia.com writes:
Just saw an ad the other day for a new "clear" duct tape from Scotch
I'm using for gap sealing. Seems OK so far.
William Willyard
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Toolkits WAS: Chocks |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Life Preservers!
Since moving to Chicago from Colorado, I've added Life Preservers
to my items of neccesity list. Getting around Chicago safely you
need to do some over water time. Landing on shore in many areas
is simply out of the question.
Original Message:
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From: michel michel@online.no
Subject: Kitfox-List: Toolkits WAS: Chocks
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>We should compare flight tool kits here sometime to
>see what everyone has found as "necessary".
My faithful Swiss knife, a mini Maglite, a sparkplug key, 4 spare
sparkplugs
... that's all. I travel light. Looking forward to hearing from you, guys.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Max crosswind |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Don,
15 mph. And a good pilot!
bh
> Anyone have an opinion about max crosswind for a 650# Mod 4? Don
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| Subject: | gap sealing stuff......... |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
I put some of the 'new' type plastic tape on my truck top and drove in hot
sunlight, heavy downpour, and on extended miles on the freeway up to 85 mph.
Just keeping up with big city traffic.........
Then I put some Ski Saver tape on the same spot and did the same thing
several days later. Both had a little fold over on the leading edge corner
as a test of adhesion for my flapping test. Both pealed off.
Now, no one is going to have a folded over corner on their leading edge of
their use in gap sealing, and most will be checking this as a preflight item
of the airfoils.........so, at this point I am of the opinion that the new
stuff I got for free and as a demo is just as good as the Ski Saver type. So
I am proceeding to use on my aircraft and sending it on to the next on the
list. It already has been tried by two of us..........I believe Scott in
Nome was the next in line. Hang on everybody.
Sid
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwyard@
In a message dated 5/24/2004 2:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jhays@ writes:
Just saw an ad the other day for a new "clear" duct tape from Scotch
I'm using for gap sealing. Seems OK so far.
William Wyard
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Looking for Sling seat? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Does anyone have one of the lace-on sling seats I could borrow for a couple
of weeks?
Steve
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| Subject: | KITFOX FLIES AGAIN |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Ok here's to the neighbors to the north. Steve Z. Is responsible for saving the
bacon! After about a fourty five minute wait - after posting my problem here
on matronics - Steve sent me an E-mail and said he might have a spring to replace
our busted tail spring.... Yesturday - it came in the mail. Skystar couldn't
come through - but the neighbor to the north did - THANK YOU STEVE! That
pint we talked about - how bout a fishing trip if you are ever in the area
on top of it? Steve has renewed my faith in humanity!
Oh yeah - thanks Matt D. for this awesome venue... Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
You can see pictures of our lovely crippled beast at http://www.geocities.com/eseaa108/ look at member's flying machines... Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Hi All
'm in the process of getting together metal, etc for my XL. I live in Alberta,
just west of Edmonton. I'm looking for a builder who might have some extra metal
kicking around. I realize there are many different sizes of angles,sheeting
that we need. I can access the most common, but there are some that can only
be ordered by the 4x12 sheet. Most of the sheet is never needed and there
seems to be much left over. I would be willing to pay fair price plus shipping.
I just think this would be a lettle more less expensive then buying a whole
sheet or a long length of angle only to use a small piece of it. It would probably
only be worthwhile getting this from a canadian as shipping cross the
border can get expensive. Any thoughts from the group are welcome.
Dave
dnimigon@telusplanet.net
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| Subject: | KITFOX FLIES AGAIN |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Well if you are going to throw in fishing, it may have to be two pints. ;-)
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David &
Maria Lumgair
Subject: Kitfox-List: KITFOX FLIES AGAIN
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Ok here's to the neighbors to the north. Steve Z. Is responsible for saving
the bacon! After about a fourty five minute wait - after posting my problem
here on matronics - Steve sent me an E-mail and said he might have a spring
to replace our busted tail spring.... Yesturday - it came in the mail.
Skystar couldn't come through - but the neighbor to the north did - THANK
YOU STEVE! That pint we talked about - how bout a fishing trip if you are
ever in the area on top of it? Steve has renewed my faith in humanity!
Oh yeah - thanks Matt D. for this awesome venue... Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" <jeffery@polarnet.ca>
Dave
Did you check out the metal superstore in Edmonton (two locations) they
usally have a pretty good selection and will cut to length.
Shane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: aluminum
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
<dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
>
> Hi All
> 'm in the process of getting together metal, etc for my XL. I live in
Alberta, just west of Edmonton. I'm looking for a builder who might have
some extra metal kicking around. I realize there are many different sizes
of angles,sheeting that we need. I can access the most common, but there
are some that can only be ordered by the 4x12 sheet. Most of the sheet is
never needed and there seems to be much left over. I would be willing to
pay fair price plus shipping. I just think this would be a lettle more less
expensive then buying a whole sheet or a long length of angle only to use a
small piece of it. It would probably only be worthwhile getting this from a
canadian as shipping cross the border can get expensive. Any thoughts from
the group are welcome.
> Dave
> dnimigon@telusplanet.net
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
Hi;
I have been thinking about your original message and the proposed test
does not really address the question. The things about the Airdale that
are different are mainly concerning the floor of the plane. Avid-Kitfox
attach the landing gear to the bottom of the fuselage. Under certain
load conditions,. the gear can twist out of the holding clamps and ruin
the lower longerons. The Airdale (Pursang) is engineered so the
fuselage is stronger than the gear so you can bend the gear and not hurt
the airframe. This has been tested the hard way. The Airdale has two
piece gear that plug into the fuselage ala Cessna. By making a gear box
to hold the two piece gear, this allows the push pull tube to be under
the floor and the control mechanism to be under the seat. This frees up
the area behind the seat for baggage without having to construct a bag
to keep the baggage off the controls and push pull tube. The up elevator
tube is in tension not compression, therefore a 5/8 tube will do whereas
the Fox has a rather complicated built up larger diameter tube. The Fox
has your feet and buttocks are on about the same plane, that is the
planes floor, whereas the Airdale has the floor dropped 61/2 inches
which makes it a much more comfortable plane to spend long hours in. The
Airdale was the first to use Grove spring gear before they were adopted
to Avid or Kitfox. The dropped floor on the Airdale is more aerodynamic
than the flat floor of the Fox. The Series 5-7 Foxs have continued
refinement and are very nice planes to fly. I like the aileron-flaperon
harmony better on the Series 7. The Airdale is more comfortable, you can
pull the seats out and sleep in it, and has room for a lot more stuff.
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>This will be very interesting. Thanks John.
>
>Kurt S.
>
>--- John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi ;
>>
>>I am trying to put a comparison test together for
>>Kitplanes between the
>>Airdale, KF Series 7, Rans S-7 and a Zenith 701,
>>each with a 100 hp
>>engine and see how they handle a back country strip.
>>I don't know of a
>>100 hp Avid around here at this time, if I can find
>>one I will include
>>it in. I designed the Airdale in 1995, so some of
>>the improvements have
>>already been used by other manufacturers. The point
>>of this comparison
>>is how they work as back country planes. We will see
>>what happens.
>>Thanks John.
>>
>>kurt schrader wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>John,
>>>
>>>If you have the time someday, I would be interested
>>>
>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>learning how the Airdale stacks up to the KF/Avids
>>>
>>>
>>it
>>
>>
>>>is designed to improve on. We don't hear much
>>>
>>>
>>about
>>
>>
>>>them here as far as I know. What can we add to
>>>
>>>
>>ours
>>
>>
>>>to improve them like Airdale did?
>>>
>>>Kurt S.
>>>
>>>
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