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1. 12:46 AM - Kitfox and Rotax 912 combination in UK (Gerry Holland)
2. 02:53 AM - Re: Im in the air!!!!!!! (Michel Verheughe)
3. 02:57 AM - Re: Off topic (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:12 AM - Re: Magazine Articles (Michel Verheughe)
5. 07:05 AM - Re: Magazine Articles (and other off topic comments) (Lowell Fitt)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: Kit plane Magazine Articles (Jeff Hays)
7. 08:42 AM - Re: Kitplane Magazine Articles (Bruce Harrington)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: Kit plane Magazine Articles (Bruce Harrington)
9. 08:58 AM - Re: Kit (space) plane Magazine Articles (Cory Emberson)
10. 02:52 PM - Re: AD on Garmin GTX 330 and GTX 330D Transponders (kurt schrader)
11. 04:20 PM - Re: Kitfox and Rotax 912 combination in UK (Randy Daughenbaugh)
12. 06:46 PM - Re: AD on Garmin GTX 330 and GTX 330D Transponders (Fred Shiple)
13. 08:05 PM - Re: AD on Garmin GTX 330 and GTX 330D Transponders (Rick)
14. 10:04 PM - Vortex generators picture. (jimshumaker)
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| Subject: | Kitfox and Rotax 912 combination in UK |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Hi!
regarding Props and Prop extensions.
Reason: Im using non-Europa Engine cowlings on a Europa build and need
information on Prop Extension to 912 Prop Hub and any information on PFA
regulations or thoughts.
Can anyone help?
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine and Prop getting near to starting.
Painting completed. Just vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod completed. Ideas for Heater Unit still ideas!
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Im in the air!!!!!!! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kyle Ponsford wrote:
> My plane sits on my lawn but now it just looks better after just flying.
> I am one happy camper now!
Good for you, Kyle! I know how you feel after having to wait months before an
instuctor checked me out on my Kitfox. The plane indeed looks differently
after! Enjoy your new love affair!
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Graeme Toft wrote:
> Thanks Michel, I must apologise for my ignorance of list protocol.
It is not an official protocol of this list, Graeme, simply a general
"netiquette" used on many lists. I always write in the title OT (off-topic) or
HS (hors-sujet) if on a French list, when I speak about things that are not
directly related to the subject of the said list.
> Im please your son enjoys Australia so much. Should he ever be in my area I would
be happy to
> show him around.
Thanks, Graeme, I'll let him know.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Magazine Articles |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Scott McClintock wrote:
> Maybe that's the way it "works" for the nautical community, but I
> disagree (respectfully) when it comes to aviation.
I am sorry, Scott, it was not my intention to defend that kind of practice,
which I do not. I merely stated an observation that I have made, which is:
Newspapers and magazines sell ... paper. This is so true for what we call over
here, the tabloid press.
I have never read US "homebuilt airplane" magazines because we don't get those
in Norway. I understand that it is irritating to feel that a review is not
objective. My point was, many of those magazines, if not all, get a substantial
income from ads. If they want the manufacturers to advertise, they better not
be too negative when talking in an editorial review about the products the
manufacturer pay an ad for.
This is not unique to the maritime world, in "women" magazines, many cosmetic
products are described in articles as pure advertisement. So, next time you buy
your L'Oreal anti-wrinkle cream, don't believe what they say in that girlie
magazine you read, my friend. ... Ooops! Don't beat me with that
Harley-Davidson wrench, it hurts! I was only kidding! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Magazine Articles (and other off topic comments) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jeff Makes an interesting point and I feel a little embarrassed that I have
been reading these magazines since I started building in 1993 and hadn't
noticed this.
Actually, it doesn't surprise me that much though. I am a dentist and the
vast majority of the continuing education courses that we have to take - the
law requires it, are taught by people that have some relationship to
manufacturers of the various fill / repair / remove dental problems. That
really irritates me, especially when the relationship is not disclosed.
Maybe that is the answer here, that the relationship be disclosed. On a
further note, I think the various builders we see written up have to be
taken with a grain of salt also. I think we all seem willing to defend
almost to the death our building decisions and will at every chance put a
rosy spin on those choices.
This last comment is written somewhat in frustration. I bought a Mac G5 and
paid more for it than I ever expected to pay for a computer. We have all
heard that Macintosh is plug and play, that all Mac users look down their
noses at all of us windows users with compassion, because of all the
problems with Windows etc. Well I spent about 100 hours editing some video,
creating some music in Garage Band, and authoring a DVD with DVD Studio Pro
(a $400 program, and this is what I get - two or three DVD's burned then
the monster will crash repeatedly until I re-author the DVD, then I sadly
get the same results. To another, relating similar problems to a Mac forum,
the advice was to back up all the files, reformat the hard disk and start
over again - and that might fix it.
Blue in Sunny California,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott McClintock" <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Magazine Articles
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> That's the way it works, Jeff.
>
> Michel,
> Maybe that's the way it "works" for the nautical community, but I
> disagree (respectfully) when it comes to aviation.
> As an avid motorcyclist (read "Biker") the various publications used to
> appear to write their articles based upon the heavy advertizers.
> Back in the late '70's and '80's the rags used to be full of Honda ads
> and guess what, the "test" reports used to sing the praises of Honda.
> Not that I have anything against Honda (I used to race quite a few of
> them) but certain production year models were inferior to the similar
> Yamahas.
> I have dropped my subscriptions to all but Cycle World as they do
> maintain credability when it comes down to unbiased "Shoot-out" results.
>
> Those results are the basis for most rider's purchases, I know because I
> was in the business.
> I did not enjoy many sales of Cagivas until about 1985 when CW gave good
> reviews to the (then new) production machines.
> Ed Foland and I raced these with success in many desert races and GP's
> to include Baja 500 and 1000.
> (Check the SCORE and AMA Dist.38 race archives if you think I'm B.S.ing)
>
> The point that Jeff makes is valid, many people base their purchase
> decisions on what the magazines print. If those articles are written by
> the company president or employee, just how objective and believable can
> it be?
> To slip into a little Harley-Davidson mode if you'll forgive me, "If you
> were selling your little sister on the street corner, would you really
> tell the truth?"
> Flame suit is donned.
> Scott in Nome
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE (or forward to HD)
>
>
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| Subject: | Kit <space> plane Magazine Articles |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Hays" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Hi Bruce -
You are certainly correct. I think the reason I noticed this (Earl Down's,
etc.)
is that I suddenly get a one off pub from EAA talking about all the
wonderfull things
at Skystar, Sport Pilot, etc. Which is all great, but to me it certainly
reads
like a paid for advertisement, and seems awfully coincidental to Skystar's
bigger
financial problem. I know that they are hoping for Sport Pilot, because it
would
certainly help them. Earl Downs article in the same magazine, can't be a
mere
coincidence.
I by the way HOPE that Skystar, does get it together, and that they can
start
making money, shipping parts, improving planes, etc. So if Sport Pilot does
this,
then this is a good thing.
BUT - This is important - I still think EAA has a responsibility to it's
members. Or
is it - To the companies that pay for advertising, etc.?
I know of at least one builder from this list, who I'm not going to name,
that has
tried legally to get his paid for parts from Skystar. They can't send his
parts,
because they are broke. He is one of about 20 or so builder's in the same
boat. So
when I read - Skystar is ready to immediately start shipping 100 planes a
year, etc.
Well, you get the idea.
About Budd Davisson, Bearhawk, and Avipro - I personally own a set of plans
for a
Bearhawk, and I am a fan of the plane, and a fan of Budd Davisson's
articles. When
I get bored at work, I go to Budd's website - http://www.airbum.com He has a
lot of
great reading out there.
BUT - Budd Davisson is the President of Avipro. If he writes an article,
about the
Bearhawk - Well is it an advertisement, or is it an objective review????
Jeff Hays
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Harrington
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitplane Magazine Articles
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Jeff,
The "Tuning Up Skystar" article in "EAA Sport Pilot" magazine was written by
Dan
Johnson.
No relation to Ed Downs. No relation to Earl Downs either, Ed's twin
brother.
I know Ed and have met Earl. They are both pretty good guys.
I think you complained to the wrong editor. Go after Kitplanes.
bh
> Also Sport Pilot magazine just came out, espousing all the great things
> about the Skystar, etc. I think the author's name was Earl Downs
> who I'm pretty sure is related to Ed Downs
>
> I for one sent a complaint via email to editorial@eaa.org about this since
I'm
a member.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplane Magazine Articles |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Cory,
Jeff specifically complained to EAA. See the original comment below.
Cheers,
bh
> > > I for one sent a complaint via email to editorial@eaa.org about this
> since I'm
> > a member.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jeff Hays
> Bruce,
>
> Thanks for scoping that article information out. I think the original
> poster meant magazines about homebuilts (aka kitplanes), but didn't mean
> Kitplanes Magazine in particular. Kitplanes is taking a pretty independent
> stance in keeping the editorial section divorced from the advertising
> section, and an ad won't guarantee an uncritical article or review.
>
> But in general, from a consumer's point of view, it's very important to keep
> those issues separate. Some other magazines run advertorial sections (such
> as those found in Fortune, etc.) which state right up front that it's a
> paid-for piece.
>
> best, Cory
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kit <space> plane Magazine Articles |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Jeff,
I do understand your position on this topic.
But there actually are some people in business who have some degree of ethics.
I continue to hope that the EAA staff can be considered such. So I continue
to renew my sbscription to National, Sport Pilot magazine, and my local EAA
chapter.
I know SkyStar has some problems with current customers, and hope they get
settled before too long.
I dropped Kitplanes quite a few years back after becoming dis-enchanted with it.
Remember Jim Campbell's US Aviator? I supported both because I liked part of
the message.
Regards,
bh
> Hi Bruce -
>
> You are certainly correct. I think the reason I noticed this (Earl Down's,
> etc.)
> is that I suddenly get a one off pub from EAA talking about all the
> wonderfull things
> at Skystar, Sport Pilot, etc. Which is all great, but to me it certainly
> reads
> like a paid for advertisement, and seems awfully coincidental to Skystar's
> bigger
> financial problem. I know that they are hoping for Sport Pilot, because it
> would
> certainly help them. Earl Downs article in the same magazine, can't be a
> mere
> coincidence.
>
> I by the way HOPE that Skystar, does get it together, and that they can
> start
> making money, shipping parts, improving planes, etc. So if Sport Pilot does
> this,
> then this is a good thing.
>
> BUT - This is important - I still think EAA has a responsibility to it's
> members. Or
> is it - To the companies that pay for advertising, etc.?
>
> I know of at least one builder from this list, who I'm not going to name,
> that has
> tried legally to get his paid for parts from Skystar. They can't send his
> parts,
> because they are broke. He is one of about 20 or so builder's in the same
> boat. So
> when I read - Skystar is ready to immediately start shipping 100 planes a
> year, etc.
> Well, you get the idea.
>
> About Budd Davisson, Bearhawk, and Avipro - I personally own a set of plans
> for a
> Bearhawk, and I am a fan of the plane, and a fan of Budd Davisson's
> articles. When
> I get bored at work, I go to Budd's website - http://www.airbum.com He has a
> lot of
> great reading out there.
>
> BUT - Budd Davisson is the President of Avipro. If he writes an article,
> about the
> Bearhawk - Well is it an advertisement, or is it an objective review????
>
> Jeff Hays
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| Subject: | Re: Kit (space) plane Magazine Articles |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hi Bruce,
Yes, you're right. I was referring to the subject header which had "Kitplane
Magazine" in the title ... which referred to magazines for homebuilts, but
looked for all the world to be about Kitplanes Magazine. So, I followed
Jeff's lead and put a space in there. :-)
thx...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
> Hi Cory,
> Jeff specifically complained to EAA. See the original comment below.
> Cheers,
> bh
>
> > > > I for one sent a complaint via email to editorial@eaa.org about this
> > since I'm
> > > a member.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jeff Hays
>
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Thanks for scoping that article information out. I think the original
> > poster meant magazines about homebuilts (aka kitplanes), but didn't mean
> > Kitplanes Magazine in particular. Kitplanes is taking a pretty
independent
> > stance in keeping the editorial section divorced from the advertising
> > section, and an ad won't guarantee an uncritical article or review.
> >
> > But in general, from a consumer's point of view, it's very important to
keep
> > those issues separate. Some other magazines run advertorial sections
(such
> > as those found in Fortune, etc.) which state right up front that it's a
> > paid-for piece.
> >
> > best, Cory
> >
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AD on Garmin GTX 330 and GTX 330D Transponders |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
To the List,
Just read where thre is an AD now on Garmin GTX 330
and GTX 330D transponders. They need to be upgraded
to new software or they may not properly report your
position. Don't know if anyone on the list has one,
but it needs an upgrade if you do. This is not a good
time to not properly report your position, IMHO.
People get angry....
Kurt S.
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http://messenger.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Kitfox and Rotax 912 combination in UK |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Gerry,
Skystar has a 2" extension kit for the 912S. It comes with the "draw in
nuts" (I am not sure what the correct term is. They draw into the 912 hub
with the bolts as a press fit and act like lugs for the extension.) and lugs
for between the extension and the prop hub. I am using a Powerfin prop on
my 912S with the extension.
I did get educated by the list that you don't want to go to bolts that are
too hard and brittle. They can shatter. Also be sure to specify the bolt
distance for the 912. There is a pattern out there is just a few mm's off.
I think one is 4" and the other is 100 mm. I ran into problems getting my
spinner because of this.
Randy
Series 5/7, 912S Powerfin prop
Putting the wings on for the "last" time.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox and Rotax 912 combination in UK
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Hi!
regarding Props and Prop extensions.
Reason: Im using non-Europa Engine cowlings on a Europa build and need
information on Prop Extension to 912 Prop Hub and any information on PFA
regulations or thoughts.
Can anyone help?
Regards
Gerry
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Engine and Prop getting near to starting.
Painting completed. Just vinyl design scheme to be added.
Completing Wiring to Panel.
Includes Dynon EFIS, KMD 150, Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Shoulder Width Mod completed. Ideas for Heater Unit still ideas!
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: AD on Garmin GTX 330 and GTX 330D Transponders |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for the heads up, Kurt.
Fred
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| Subject: | AD on Garmin GTX 330 and GTX 330D Transponders |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Does this apply to the GTX 327 as well?
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Shiple
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: AD on Garmin GTX 330 and GTX 330D Transponders
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for the heads up, Kurt.
Fred
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| Subject: | Vortex generators picture. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Finally got a picture of my VG's uploaded on Sportflight. Sorry for the delay.
Jim Shumaker
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