---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/31/04: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Stalling and AoA (kurt schrader) 2. 12:37 AM - Re: Airdale comparison (kurt schrader) 3. 04:30 AM - Re: vortex generators (Fox5flyer) 4. 05:25 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question (Gary Algate) 5. 05:25 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question (Gary Algate) 6. 06:54 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question (Michael Gibbard) 7. 08:48 AM - Re: vortex generators (Randy Daughenbaugh) 8. 09:07 AM - Re: vortex generators (Fox5flyer) 9. 11:21 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question (hausding, sid) 10. 01:49 PM - Re: Vortex generators picture. (Michel Verheughe) 11. 02:23 PM - (Off topic) My hometown (Michel Verheughe) 12. 03:36 PM - folding wings (Fox5flyer) 13. 04:44 PM - (Off Topic) My home Town (Graeme Toft) 14. 06:01 PM - Re: folding wings (KITFOXPILOT@att.net) 15. 07:30 PM - [ Matt Dralle ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 16. 08:11 PM - Re: NSI Turbo for sale (kurt schrader) 17. 08:21 PM - Re: folding wings (Jeffrey Puls) 18. 08:30 PM - Re: Toolkits (kurt schrader) 19. 08:58 PM - microlite crash in China (aerocon1@telusplanet.net) 20. 08:59 PM - The weighing process (Steve Cooper) 21. 09:23 PM - Re: microlite crash in China (Ted Palamarek) 22. 09:40 PM - Hand held instalation (Graeme Toft) 23. 11:14 PM - Re: microlite crash in China (r.thomas@za.pwc.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:00 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Stalling and AoA --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Michel, > > It is the ground effect.... There is another factor at work here too. If you remember what happens when you do stalls, you are trying to hold level, but approaching the stall speed you usually start a rate of descent anyway. Almost everyone does. It is hard to hold level because the AOA change at the end must be increased more rapidly. Same happens when landing. Most of us don't really get it right to the stall. We just start a descent at a fixed AOA just short of the stall angle, until ground contact. Many short field guru's out there actually fly below the power off stall speed when crossing the threshold, but with lots of power. They chop the power as the tail wheel touches and the plane is definitely not going flying again. So I think that we tend to not really rotate all the way to stall AOA in ground effect when landing. We just get to that point where the plane settles before we catch it, and we think we stalled it on. 16 degrees AOA is a real good number for the stall AOA for most small planes. Kurt S. Dodging tornadoes in KY __________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:22 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airdale comparison --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader John, You are right. That was what I was really asking, though performance comparisons are great too. These are the kind of improvements I wish I had on my plane. I would like to be able to camp with it and sleep in it, if needed, too. I agree that a elevator tube in tension is much preferred. No sign wave problem in compression to worry about. And lighter weight. Better seating and seat removal? Don't know about the others, but I have a problem with the stick hitting my legs when at slow speed or landing. Just when you need it most, you have restricted flapperon travel. A center stick would be lighter and less restrictive IMHO. A different turtle deck mount would be helpful. Too many fasteners to open just to get at the baggage. Maybe a handle in the middle and 3 back latches, with a hinged attachment to the canopy would work better. It should be little harder than the doors to open for access or wing fold. There are a lot of "improvements" on my list of dreams... Kurt S. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:06 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Jim, thanks for the posts on the VGs. When I get some time I plan to make some up using and go for it. In the past many years I've been on this list there've been several people who've installed them and none, that I recall, have posted anything negative about them. I think I understand how they work, but what I don't understand is why they don't affect cruise speed. One would think that they would create a parasitic drag on the wing, but apparently the increased lift conteracts any drag produced. Didn't you say you have a model 3? What was your angle of separation? I have the model 5 (Riblett) wing, which is different, and I guess I need to know how far back to place them so I don't have to screw around with all the experimenting of sticking and unsticking and sticking... them which takes a lot of time that I don't have. I recall that someone said that 6 inches worked best. Anybody have any comments on this? Darrel > Darrel > I will try to upload some VG pics tomorrow. > My stall was lowered by 5 MPH or about 13 % which is about what the > certified installers claim. No change in cruise speed. I used the CCI VG's > (www.computer-certainty.com )that are clear lexan. They weigh about 20 > grams per hundred as I recall. I used about 104. I installed them in the > low area between each rib and false rib. I tried them at three locations > and in half the spaces between the ribs and between every rib. The best > location was three inches (measured horizontally) from a vertical plane > tangent to the leading edge. > > I have been keeping a watch out for other planes that use them and have > found them on many aircraft including Harriers and A-4's. There seem to be > few aircraft that can't benefit from them. > > Jim Shumaker ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:19 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" Jeff I have the Czech floats for my Fox - in fact I am selling them as I am moving and need to look for amphibs. I have the full streamlined rigging etc and can measure them up and post. If anyone's interested I am now serious about selling these floats. Painted white with Black decaling - twin water rudders and set up for immediate bolt on for Model 4 or Lite2 Gary Algate Lite2/582 ----- Try the following sites. "www.skyshops.org" and "www.czaw.cz" Click on floats and also look for installation kits. Skyshops is the US distributor and located in Florida. My friend and I were at the Czech Aircraft Works in eastern Czech Republic summer of 2002. Arthur ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:19 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" Just a short note - These floats are pretty durable and can handle some serious waves etc - I wouldn't want to drive them into a log or a rock at 20Kn but then again I wouldn't want to drive any floats into a rock or log. They have serious 1/8" runners on the bottom and can handle the wear etc associated with beach parking if required. I never did this as I have a ramp type dock. They are amazingly light and my 582 will handle a pax and full fuel on a hot day with no problems. Gary Algate Lite2/582 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:24 AM PST US From: "Michael Gibbard" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Gibbard" I have a model II. Could they be mounted, and how much and where do you live. I'm in Northern Michigan. Thank you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" > > Jeff > > I have the Czech floats for my Fox - in fact I am selling them as I am > moving and need to look for amphibs. > > I have the full streamlined rigging etc and can measure them up and post. > > If anyone's interested I am now serious about selling these floats. > > Painted white with Black decaling - twin water rudders and set up for > immediate bolt on for Model 4 or Lite2 > > > Gary Algate > Lite2/582 > > ----- > Try the following sites. "www.skyshops.org" and "www.czaw.cz" > > Click on floats and also look for installation kits. > > Skyshops is the US distributor and located in Florida. > > My friend and I were at the Czech Aircraft Works in eastern Czech Republic > summer of 2002. > > Arthur > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:54 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Darrel, I talked to one of the VG package manufacturers about drag from VG's. He says that you do not get added drag if they are placed correctly on a wing. There is a spot, about 12% of the chord back where you start to get some flow differences. If the VG's are placed ahead of this spot, you DO get more drag. If the VG's are placed at or behind this spot, they do not add drag. They are not as effective if way behind this spot. This is my understanding of the explanation. They claimed to have done a lot of experimentation with Burt Rutan to come to these conclusions. In the March issue of EAA Sport Aviation, Page 71 there is a very definitive illustration of VG size and placement on wings. Everything is defined relative to the wing chord. Placement, size of VG's etc. Let me know if you can't find it and I will try to pass this info along to you. Randy Series 5/7 - DAR coming tomorrow! . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Jim, thanks for the posts on the VGs. When I get some time I plan to make some up using and go for it. In the past many years I've been on this list there've been several people who've installed them and none, that I recall, have posted anything negative about them. I think I understand how they work, but what I don't understand is why they don't affect cruise speed. One would think that they would create a parasitic drag on the wing, but apparently the increased lift conteracts any drag produced. Didn't you say you have a model 3? What was your angle of separation? I have the model 5 (Riblett) wing, which is different, and I guess I need to know how far back to place them so I don't have to screw around with all the experimenting of sticking and unsticking and sticking... them which takes a lot of time that I don't have. I recall that someone said that 6 inches worked best. Anybody have any comments on this? Darrel > Darrel > I will try to upload some VG pics tomorrow. > My stall was lowered by 5 MPH or about 13 % which is about what the > certified installers claim. No change in cruise speed. I used the CCI VG's > (www.computer-certainty.com )that are clear lexan. They weigh about 20 > grams per hundred as I recall. I used about 104. I installed them in the > low area between each rib and false rib. I tried them at three locations > and in half the spaces between the ribs and between every rib. The best > location was three inches (measured horizontally) from a vertical plane > tangent to the leading edge. > > I have been keeping a watch out for other planes that use them and have > found them on many aircraft including Harriers and A-4's. There seem to be > few aircraft that can't benefit from them. > > Jim Shumaker ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:00 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: vortex generators --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Thanks Randy. I'll see if I still have that issue. Good luck with the DAR! > > Darrel, > I talked to one of the VG package manufacturers about drag from VG's. He > says that you do not get added drag if they are placed correctly on a wing. > There is a spot, about 12% of the chord back where you start to get some > flow differences. If the VG's are placed ahead of this spot, you DO get > more drag. If the VG's are placed at or behind this spot, they do not add > drag. They are not as effective if way behind this spot. > > This is my understanding of the explanation. They claimed to have done a > lot of experimentation with Burt Rutan to come to these conclusions. > > In the March issue of EAA Sport Aviation, Page 71 there is a very definitive > illustration of VG size and placement on wings. Everything is defined > relative to the wing chord. Placement, size of VG's etc. Let me know if > you can't find it and I will try to pass this info along to you. > > Randy Series 5/7 - DAR coming tomorrow! > > Jim, thanks for the posts on the VGs. When I get some time I plan to make > some up using and go for it. In the past many years I've been on this list > there've been several people who've installed them and none, that I recall, > have posted anything negative about them. I think I understand how they > work, but what I don't understand is why they don't affect cruise speed. > One would think that they would create a parasitic drag on the wing, but > apparently the increased lift conteracts any drag produced. > Didn't you say you have a model 3? What was your angle of separation? I > have the model 5 (Riblett) wing, which is different, and I guess I need to > know how far back to place them so I don't have to screw around with all the > experimenting of sticking and unsticking and sticking... them which takes a > lot of time that I don't have. I recall that someone said that 6 inches > worked best. Anybody have any comments on this? > Darrel > > > Darrel > > I will try to upload some VG pics tomorrow. > > My stall was lowered by 5 MPH or about 13 % which is about what the > > certified installers claim. No change in cruise speed. I used the CCI > VG's > > (www.computer-certainty.com )that are clear lexan. They weigh about 20 > > grams per hundred as I recall. I used about 104. I installed them in the > > low area between each rib and false rib. I tried them at three locations > > and in half the spaces between the ribs and between every rib. The best > > location was three inches (measured horizontally) from a vertical plane > > tangent to the leading edge. > > > > I have been keeping a watch out for other planes that use them and have > > found them on many aircraft including Harriers and A-4's. There seem to > be > > few aircraft that can't benefit from them. > > > > Jim Shumaker ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:40 AM PST US From: "hausding, sid" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" Mikey, where is northern Michigan? What town or area are you in? Sid Alpena ------------------------------ -------Original Message------- From: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Gibbard" I have a model II. Could they be mounted, and how much and where do you live. I'm in Northern Michigan. Thank you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" > > Jeff > > I have the Czech floats for my Fox - in fact I am selling them as I am > moving and need to look for amphibs. > > I have the full streamlined rigging etc and can measure them up and post. > > If anyone's interested I am now serious about selling these floats. > > Painted white with Black decaling - twin water rudders and set up for > immediate bolt on for Model 4 or Lite2 > > > Gary Algate > Lite2/582 > > ----- > Try the following sites. "www.skyshops.org" and "www.czaw.cz" > > Click on floats and also look for installation kits. > > Skyshops is the US distributor and located in Florida. > > My friend and I were at the Czech Aircraft Works in eastern Czech Republic > summer of 2002. > > Arthur > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:56 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators picture. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe jimshumaker wrote: > Finally got a picture of my VG's uploaded on Sportflight. Sorry for the delay. Thank you for the posting, Jim. I see that you fold your wings. Can you do it alone or do you need to be two? Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:50 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: (Off topic) My hometown --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe (off topic) Friends, since the list is quiet and no one else did, I'll take Graeme's idea and present my hometown. I live in Tonsberg, about 70 miles south of Oslo, the capital of Norway, and by the side of the Oslo fjord at about its entrance. Tonsberg is a small town of about 60,000 inhabitants. It was, in the middle-age, the royal city and the place where the famous Oseberg viking ship was found. Until the 70s, it was also a big whaling center. Many ships from Tonsberg were whaling in Antarctica and many places in South Georgia are called after the creeks and bays from nearby where I live. I fly my Kitfox from Jarlsberg, which is a privately owned airfield outside Tonsberg. Incidentally it is the same Jarlsberg as the cheese you can buy in the US. The Count of Jarlsberg is the only aristocrat of Norway. The reason is: Much like for Ireland and Britain, the Norwegian landlords were all Danish, from the 15th century and until 1814. The Count of Jarlsberg was the only Danish noble who made Norway his country after the treaty of Vienna. Since then, his descendants used the relatively flat land to cattle and diary products, hence the famous cheese. The airfield, built first before WWII, was used as a decoy airfield by the Germans during the war, and as a chartering plane airport during the whaling golden age of the 50s and 60s. Jarlsberg ENJB is at a corner of Sandefjord-Torp ENTO CTR zone. It means that I have to call Torp first, get cleared with squawk code, go back to Jarlsberg frequency, transmit blind for the eventual local traffic in the pattern, then call again Torp once airborne. Some people don't like that procedure and try to fly from other uncontrolled places. But I like it. It makes me acquainted with radio procedures and I am now not afraid to fly say, across Europe, feeling quite confident with my ATC English. Flying from Jarlsberg, we have first, to the east, the Oslo Fjord that we try to cross at its narrowest part, maybe 8 miles wide. On the other side of the fjord, farming land in a relatively flat country, all the way to Sweden. To the south, the coastline is beautiful but inland; lots of pine forests and few places to land in emergency. To the west, the mountains. Flying along a valley, it is possible to find landing places but otherwise, again, lots of pine forests. Flying further west, the central plateau of Hardangervidda. Here we are above the forest and in the tundra. Lots of stones, though. And finally, at the north, a more complex picture because in the region of the city of Oslo and our international airport, Gardermoen. Here is a funny link: http://toensberg.clickwalk.no/indexe.html You can "walk" in the streets of Tonsberg. It is in English. I hope you liked this "virtual visit." Of course, I will love to show this from the air to any Kitfoxer who ever come to Norway. Now I look forward to reading about your place. Cheers, Michel PS: In fact, my birth place is Brussels, Belgium. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:47 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: folding wings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael? Darrel > Thank you for the posting, Jim. I see that you fold your wings. Can you do it > alone or do you need to be two? > > Cheers, > Michel ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:23 PM PST US From: "Graeme Toft" Subject: Kitfox-List: (Off Topic) My home Town --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" Wow, great Michel and a bit of a historian as well. Your area sound as if its got lots of tiger country but is also very beautiful. I know what you mean about radio procedures. Fortunately, Australia has just adopted the American system which will simplify things for us. Currently our radio procedures are unnecessarily complex. Lets hope others take your lead and write about their home town. Graeme Do Not Archive. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:21 PM PST US From: KITFOXPILOT@att.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: folding wings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net I find it takes two people to pin the wings in place, and only one person to fold them! Just make sure you rotate the flaperons up as you fold the wings otherwise you will damage them. Ray > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael? > Darrel > > > Thank you for the posting, Jim. I see that you fold your wings. Can you do > it > > alone or do you need to be two? > > > > Cheers, > > Michel > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:32 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: [ Matt Dralle ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Matt Dralle Subject: WWII Bombers at Livermore California - May 31 2004 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/dralle@matronics.com.05.31.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:07 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo for sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Albert, Sorry you have to sell it. I tried to send you an e-mail direct, but it bounced. Please send a pic of your engine and the particulars like hrs, hp, weight, and price to my e-mail address. I'll try to post it on our local EAA chapter web site. Kurt S. Wind finally died below 30 mph tonight. Enough to do an engine run. Clear sky and no more toronados. Do not archive --- Comp User wrote: > > I have to sell my motor to save the plane. Where can > I advertise it at? I am starting with Sportflight. > You can contact me off of list. Put motor in > subject line. Do not archive. > > Albert Smith > Mod. 5TD > NSI Turbo CAP > Still flying when the wind is not blowing. __________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:31 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey Puls" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: folding wings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" Ray, I tie a rope to the tie down on the strut. I stand at the forward spar where the pin goes in. I slowly rotate the wing by pulling on the rope. Works great! I have one hand free to put the pin in. Jeff Classic IV > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 5/31/2004 9:00:32 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: folding wings > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net > > I find it takes two people to pin the wings in place, and only one person to fold them! Just make sure you rotate the flaperons up as you fold the wings otherwise you will damage them. > > Ray > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael? > > Darrel > > > > > Thank you for the posting, Jim. I see that you fold your wings. Can you do > > it > > > alone or do you need to be two? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Michel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:01 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Toolkits --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I continue to wonder what to really carry along in my plane. I suppose a lot depends upon the terrain I plan to fly over. Considerations are: Tire patch/pump 1 qt of oil Water Small socket/screwdriver handle Adjustable wrench Sparkplug Duct tape First aid kit Space blanket Small jump start battery If required: Flares Hand held radio Gun Survival fishing equipment Anyone have any other thoughts besides Jeff and Michel? What works for you? You Canadians and Alaskans might know best. What does the "required list" say? Kurt S. --- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" wrote: > > Life Preservers! > > Since moving to Chicago from Colorado, I've added > Life Preservers to my items of neccesity list. > Getting around Chicago safely you need > to do some over water time. Landing on shore in > many areas is simply out of the question. > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: michel michel@online.no > Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:51:35 +0200 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Toolkits WAS: Chocks > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel > > > >===== Original Message From kurt schrader > > >We should compare flight tool kits here sometime to > >see what everyone has found as "necessary". > > My faithful Swiss knife, a mini Maglite, a sparkplug > key, 4 spare sparkplugs > ... that's all. I travel light. Looking forward to > hearing from you, guys. > > Cheers, > Michel __________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:07 PM PST US From: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Subject: Kitfox-List: microlite crash in China --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Hi, About a week ago, on of the listers posted a link to a story about a couple of microlites on a world tour. One of the planes was forced into a lake by bad weather. If anyone has saved the link to that story or if the original poster reads this could you please copy me the link to that particular story. Thanks in advance. Bob Robertson ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:08 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: Kitfox-List: The weighing process --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" General question...what's OK NOT to weigh as part of the airframe? In other words...I bring my GPS with me and it clamps in a mount. I ring my hand held and it clamps in a mount. I bring the battery for the radio and I attach it. If I was flying aerobatics I would bring my chest chute. All these kind of things add up to overall weight of the plane...but I wouldn't include them in a weight and balance. Is there a FAR that says more about what can be ommitted from the weight and balance numbers? Steve ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:23 PM PST US From: "Ted Palamarek" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: microlite crash in China --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" Bob The microlite that crashed in China was one of the two South Africans that were making the round the world trip. Here is the site http://www.safreedomflight.com/ sounds like part of the kite wing broke at 11000 ft and the pilot lost his life. Ted Palamarek DO NOT ARCHIVE Subject: Kitfox-List: microlite crash in China Hi, About a week ago, on of the listers posted a link to a story about a couple of microlites on a world tour. One of the planes was forced into a lake by bad weather. If anyone has saved the link to that story or if the original poster reads this could you please copy me the link to that particular story. Thanks in advance. Bob Robertson ============== Contributions other ============== ============== http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list ============== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:02 PM PST US From: "Graeme Toft" Subject: Kitfox-List: Hand held instalation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" We are panel mounting an Icom A3 into our fox and hoped we could get some advice about the best way to do this. We have heard that electrical noise can be an issue with two stroke motors but various suppression devices are available. An intercom and external aerial will be included into the wiring also. If someone has already dealt with this installation we would appreciate some advice before we go ahead. Thanks. Johno. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: microlite crash in China From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com 01/06/2004 07:13:44, Serialize complete at 01/06/2004 07:13:44 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com Hi Bob The link is http://www.safreedomflight.com Alan was one of our local club members and a good friend of mine. We are all devastated about the accident. Regards Roger aerocon1@telusplanet.net Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 01/06/2004 05:57 AM Please respond to kitfox-list To: kitfox-list@matronics.com cc: Subject: Kitfox-List: microlite crash in China Size: 4 Kb --> Kitfox-List message posted by: aerocon1@telusplanet.net Hi, About a week ago, on of the listers posted a link to a story about a couple of microlites on a world tour. One of the planes was forced into a lake by bad weather. 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