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1. 12:40 AM - Re: folding wings (michel)
2. 12:53 AM - Re: Hand held instalation (michel)
3. 01:26 AM - Hand held installation (Graeme Toft)
4. 01:52 AM - Re: Hand held installation (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
5. 02:50 AM - Re: Hand held installation (michel)
6. 03:00 AM - Re: Hand held installation (Graeme Toft)
7. 03:18 AM - Re: (Off topic) My hometown. Michel (Ceashman@aol.com)
8. 03:27 AM - Re: Hand held installation (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
9. 03:39 AM - Re: folding wings (Bruce Lina)
10. 04:28 AM - Re: Hand held installation (Graeme Toft)
11. 04:28 AM - Re: folding wings (Fox5flyer)
12. 04:34 AM - Hand held installation (Graeme Toft)
13. 05:48 AM - Re: Hand held installation (Gill Levesque)
14. 05:57 AM - Noisy strobes (Gill Levesque)
15. 06:05 AM - Re: folding wings (flier)
16. 07:01 AM - Kitfox 5 for sale (LeRoy staley)
17. 07:01 AM - Kitfox 5 for sale (LeRoy staley)
18. 07:04 AM - Re: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question (Marc Arseneault)
19. 07:46 AM - Re: Noisy strobes (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
20. 09:57 AM - Re: Hand held installation (Michel Verheughe)
21. 10:01 AM - Re: Arctic Fox now on Crutches (Scott McClintock)
22. 11:04 AM - KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings (Kerry Skyring)
23. 11:58 AM - Re: folding wings (Michel Verheughe)
24. 12:08 PM - Re: (Off topic) My hometown. Michel (Michel Verheughe)
25. 12:35 PM - Re: Toolkits (ala Alaska) (Scott McClintock)
26. 12:42 PM - Re: Noisy strobes (Lowell Fitt)
27. 12:48 PM - Re: KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings (Lowell Fitt)
28. 12:49 PM - Re: folding wings (Lowell Fitt)
29. 01:52 PM - Re: Toolkits (ala Alaska) (Don)
30. 04:13 PM - Tool kits ala Alaska for Don (Scott McClintock)
31. 04:55 PM - Re: folding wings (Bruce Lina)
32. 04:56 PM - (Bruce Lina)
33. 05:44 PM - Re interference (Rex & Jan Shaw)
34. 06:34 PM - (off-topic) Our hometown (Jay Fabian)
35. 06:38 PM - Re: folding wings (Flier)
36. 06:52 PM - Kitfox Flaperon Request (Steve Winder)
37. 07:30 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (Jerry Liles)
38. 08:04 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (Jay Fabian)
39. 08:23 PM - Re: Vortex generators picture. (jimshumaker)
40. 08:56 PM - (Of topic) Our Hometown (Graeme Toft)
41. 09:33 PM - Re: Re interference (Graeme Toft)
42. 10:21 PM - Re: folding wings (kyle Ponsford)
43. 10:38 PM - Re: Toolkits (kyle Ponsford)
44. 11:48 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
Thanks for your answers, Ray and Jeff.
>===== Original Message From "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael?
Yes, I have, Darrel. My plane arrived by truck, wings folded. Then I fold them
about 3 times a year, for inspection.
The reason of my asking is that we discuss a better hangar place distribution
and folding my wings after each flight would make things simpler. However I am
afraid to have to do it alone. Jeff's idea of a rope is a good one but still
... I don't know. The point is: I was first in the hangar and I can claim to
keep it that way, with the wings open. On the other hand, I try to be a nice
guy and welcome newcomers. Another solution I am contemplating: The building
of a tail dolly that keeps the plane level and doesn't pull the wings backward
once the pin removed.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Hand held instalation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>We are panel mounting an Icom A3 into our fox and hoped we could get some
>advice about the best way to do this.
The greatest improvement in radio noise reduction with my 582 installation was
to move the regulator ahead of the firewall, ... Graeme? Johno?
Originally, the regulator was only a few inches away from the radio set. Not a
good idea. But it may not be the case for you.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Hand held installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Michel, the regulator at the moment is on the engine side of the fire wall
and it was one of our concerns to keep things as far from the radio as possible.
Are you using a hand held yourself and if so do you experience any problems
with it. General comments from people we have spoken to so far have ranged
from "dont worry about it" to "if its not done properly dont do it at all".
Issues such as external aerial and intercoms have also been raised as potential
problem areas. Can anyone else share their thoughts.
Cheers
Graeme
PS. Michel, Johno is my partner and it was his concerns about the radio that made
him decide to ask the list. I also went to the link you attached to your comments
earlier about your hoe town. Loved the 360 degree images.
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| Subject: | Re: Hand held installation |
01/06/2004 09:51:39,
Serialize complete at 01/06/2004 09:51:39
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
Hi Graeme
I use a the Icom A23 handheld in my KF2. I do use an external aerial
mounted on the removable part of the turtledeck just behind the cockpit. I
operate from a controlled airport with ATC and have never had any problems
communicating with them.
I use power from the aircraft and have not experienced any problems with
engine noise.
Regards
Roger
"Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Michel, the regulator at the moment is on the engine side of the
fire wall and it was one of our concerns to keep things as far from the
radio as possible. Are you using a hand held yourself and if so do you
experience any problems with it. General comments from people we have
spoken to so far have ranged from "dont worry about it" to "if its not
done properly dont do it at all". Issues such as external aerial and
intercoms have also been raised as potential problem areas. Can anyone
else share their thoughts.
Cheers
Graeme
PS. Michel, Johno is my partner and it was his concerns about the radio
that made him decide to ask the list. I also went to the link you attached
to your comments earlier about your hoe town. Loved the 360 degree images.
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| Subject: | Hand held installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>===== Original Message From "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net> =====
>Are you using a hand held yourself and if so do you experience any problems
> with it.
I have a Bendix-King handheld radio that was smartly mounted by the contructor
(not me) behind the panel that has a cut out to display and operate the dials.
The volume and squelch buttons are on the top, through the glareshield. I have
an external antenna, about half-way down the fuselage, and the power supply is
on the battery. Since I moved the regulator, I am very pleased with the
installation and receive the somewhat far away Torp station as good as the GA
planes at my airfield. One thing though: When taxiing and listening to Torp
ATIS, I notice some noise when I make a certain angle with the sender.
Probably my tail, or else, coming in as an antenna screen or reflector.
Good luck with your radio installation, Graeme and Johno.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Hand held installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Roger, I thought the turtle deck would be a good option for mounting
the aerial. What sort of intercom are you using with the A23. We are looking
at a Pilot 200 but there $400 AU which is expensive.
Cheers
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: <r.thomas@za.pwc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hand held installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
> Hi Graeme
>
> I use a the Icom A23 handheld in my KF2. I do use an external aerial
> mounted on the removable part of the turtledeck just behind the cockpit. I
> operate from a controlled airport with ATC and have never had any problems
> communicating with them.
>
> I use power from the aircraft and have not experienced any problems with
> engine noise.
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
> "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Thanks Michel, the regulator at the moment is on the engine side of the
> fire wall and it was one of our concerns to keep things as far from the
> radio as possible. Are you using a hand held yourself and if so do you
> experience any problems with it. General comments from people we have
> spoken to so far have ranged from "dont worry about it" to "if its not
> done properly dont do it at all". Issues such as external aerial and
> intercoms have also been raised as potential problem areas. Can anyone
> else share their thoughts.
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
> PS. Michel, Johno is my partner and it was his concerns about the radio
> that made him decide to ask the list. I also went to the link you attached
> to your comments earlier about your hoe town. Loved the 360 degree images.
>
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| Subject: | Re: (Off topic) My hometown. Michel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello Michel.
Thanks for the description of Tonsberg and a little of your flying experience
around the area. Also, thanks for the "walking tour." You should really tell
the folks about Brussels and the close town of Gent, beautiful places.
Thanks for the offer of going up in the Kitfox, trouble is. I get to Holland
occasionally, but never Norway.
Eric Ashman. (ex Brit) Classic IV. Atlanta, Georgia
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hand held installation |
01/06/2004 11:26:47,
Serialize complete at 01/06/2004 11:26:47
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
I am using a Buzzcom 2 place intercom. (www.buzzcom.co.za) I think it is
fairly similar to the Softcom 2 place intercom. I paid ZAR 1800 (approx
AU$ 360). It allows me to connect my MP3/CD player to it - I cannot fly
without music. It suppresses the music whenever you are speaking to your
pax or if there is a radio reception/transmission.
Regards
Roger
"Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Roger, I thought the turtle deck would be a good option for
mounting
the aerial. What sort of intercom are you using with the A23. We are
looking
at a Pilot 200 but there $400 AU which is expensive.
Cheers
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: <r.thomas@za.pwc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hand held installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
> Hi Graeme
>
> I use a the Icom A23 handheld in my KF2. I do use an external aerial
> mounted on the removable part of the turtledeck just behind the cockpit.
I
> operate from a controlled airport with ATC and have never had any
problems
> communicating with them.
>
> I use power from the aircraft and have not experienced any problems with
> engine noise.
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
> "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Thanks Michel, the regulator at the moment is on the engine side of the
> fire wall and it was one of our concerns to keep things as far from the
> radio as possible. Are you using a hand held yourself and if so do you
> experience any problems with it. General comments from people we have
> spoken to so far have ranged from "dont worry about it" to "if its not
> done properly dont do it at all". Issues such as external aerial and
> intercoms have also been raised as potential problem areas. Can anyone
> else share their thoughts.
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
>
> PS. Michel, Johno is my partner and it was his concerns about the radio
> that made him decide to ask the list. I also went to the link you
attached
> to your comments earlier about your hoe town. Loved the 360 degree
images.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Michel, I have a Series 5 taildragger that I finished last summer. Since my
shop door was only 9 ft wide I had to fold the wings at least 100 times
during and after construction. I do it solo by holding on to the jury strut
right where it connects to the wing with one hand while tapping the pin out
with the other. Work slowly and deliberately. If given a choice I would
recommend not folding them because you will have to drain the fuel tanks
down each time or fuel will leak from caps unless you devise a system to
prevent this. Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "michel" <michel@online.no>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: folding wings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> Thanks for your answers, Ray and Jeff.
>
> >===== Original Message From "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael?
>
> Yes, I have, Darrel. My plane arrived by truck, wings folded. Then I fold
them
> about 3 times a year, for inspection.
> The reason of my asking is that we discuss a better hangar place
distribution
> and folding my wings after each flight would make things simpler. However
I am
> afraid to have to do it alone. Jeff's idea of a rope is a good one but
still
> ... I don't know. The point is: I was first in the hangar and I can claim
to
> keep it that way, with the wings open. On the other hand, I try to be a
nice
> guy and welcome newcomers. Another solution I am contemplating: The
building
> of a tail dolly that keeps the plane level and doesn't pull the wings
backward
> once the pin removed.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hand held installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Sounds like what I need. I love my music as well.
Thanks for your help Roger, it is greatly appreciated
Cheers
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: <r.thomas@za.pwc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hand held installation
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
>
> I am using a Buzzcom 2 place intercom. (www.buzzcom.co.za) I think it is
> fairly similar to the Softcom 2 place intercom. I paid ZAR 1800 (approx
> AU$ 360). It allows me to connect my MP3/CD player to it - I cannot fly
> without music. It suppresses the music whenever you are speaking to your
> pax or if there is a radio reception/transmission.
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
> "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
>
> Thanks Roger, I thought the turtle deck would be a good option for
> mounting
> the aerial. What sort of intercom are you using with the A23. We are
> looking
> at a Pilot 200 but there $400 AU which is expensive.
>
> Cheers
> Graeme
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <r.thomas@za.pwc.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hand held installation
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
> >
> > Hi Graeme
> >
> > I use a the Icom A23 handheld in my KF2. I do use an external aerial
> > mounted on the removable part of the turtledeck just behind the cockpit.
> I
> > operate from a controlled airport with ATC and have never had any
> problems
> > communicating with them.
> >
> > I use power from the aircraft and have not experienced any problems with
> > engine noise.
> >
> > Regards
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> > Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > 01/06/2004 10:25 AM
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
> >
> > Thanks Michel, the regulator at the moment is on the engine side of the
> > fire wall and it was one of our concerns to keep things as far from the
> > radio as possible. Are you using a hand held yourself and if so do you
> > experience any problems with it. General comments from people we have
> > spoken to so far have ranged from "dont worry about it" to "if its not
> > done properly dont do it at all". Issues such as external aerial and
> > intercoms have also been raised as potential problem areas. Can anyone
> > else share their thoughts.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Graeme
> >
> > PS. Michel, Johno is my partner and it was his concerns about the radio
> > that made him decide to ask the list. I also went to the link you
> attached
> > to your comments earlier about your hoe town. Loved the 360 degree
> images.
> >
> >
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> > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
> > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Ah so. The reason I asked was I know a guy who bought his fox already
built. The previous owner delivered it and the new owner after 3 years had
never folded the wings and didn't know how and didn't want to ask the
question. When I told him how easy it was and volunteered to help him and
demonstrated it he was pretty happy.
I have the model V and I fold mine by myself. Although it's nice to have
another person no help is really needed. I just grab the strut and while
positioning the flaperon I pull it forward with one hand and with the other
I push the pin in place, then with a mallet I carefully tap the pin down.
The model 1 thru 3 is actually easier because the flaperon folds
automatically without having to unhook anything. The most important thing
to remember is to chock the wheels or the airplane will begin to roll while
you're pulling the wing forward.
Regards,
Darrel
>
> Yes, I have, Darrel. My plane arrived by truck, wings folded. Then I fold
them
> about 3 times a year, for inspection.
> The reason of my asking is that we discuss a better hangar place
distribution
> and folding my wings after each flight would make things simpler. However
I am
> afraid to have to do it alone. Jeff's idea of a rope is a good one but
still
> ... I don't know. The point is: I was first in the hangar and I can claim
to
> keep it that way, with the wings open. On the other hand, I try to be a
nice
> guy and welcome newcomers. Another solution I am contemplating: The
building
> of a tail dolly that keeps the plane level and doesn't pull the wings
backward
> once the pin removed.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Hand held installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks for the comments everyone. Were a lot happier now that we have advice from
those of you who are using hand held radio's effectively.
Cheers
Graeme
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| Subject: | Hand held installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Michel,
Can you elaborate on "moving the regulator". My radio (Delcom) is very noisy at
higher rpm's unless i squelch full!!! My antena is mounted on the stock kitfox
plate ,rear top fuselage!! Maybe I am not grounded well enough?
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
30 hrs. and lovin it!!!
michel <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel
>===== Original Message From "Graeme Toft" =====
>Are you using a hand held yourself and if so do you experience any problems
> with it.
I have a Bendix-King handheld radio that was smartly mounted by the contructor
(not me) behind the panel that has a cut out to display and operate the dials.
The volume and squelch buttons are on the top, through the glareshield. I have
an external antenna, about half-way down the fuselage, and the power supply is
on the battery. Since I moved the regulator, I am very pleased with the
installation and receive the somewhat far away Torp station as good as the GA
planes at my airfield. One thing though: When taxiing and listening to Torp
ATIS, I notice some noise when I make a certain angle with the sender.
Probably my tail, or else, coming in as an antenna screen or reflector.
Good luck with your radio installation, Graeme and Johno.
Cheers,
Michel
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi all,
I have a Kuntzleman dual strobe ,which I got used and it makes a heck of a racket!!!
My Radio is a panel mounted Delcom 960. Unless I suelch full, I get a terrible
mix of engine noise and strobe noise! My KILL wires are sheilded! Other
than that ,unicom always say!"GVL your radio is a FIVE"!!! ????? Any Ideas!!!
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I've been folding the wings on my long wing IV now
for eight years. No tools required. Just grab the
lift strut and go, open or folded. It's an easy one
person task.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: michel <michel@online.no>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: folding wings
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel
<michel@online.no>
>
>Thanks for your answers, Ray and Jeff.
>
>>===== Original Message From "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael?
>
>Yes, I have, Darrel. My plane arrived by truck,
wings folded. Then I fold them
>about 3 times a year, for inspection.
>The reason of my asking is that we discuss a better
hangar place distribution
>and folding my wings after each flight would make
things simpler. However I am
>afraid to have to do it alone. Jeff's idea of a rope
is a good one but still
>... I don't know. The point is: I was first in the
hangar and I can claim to
>keep it that way, with the wings open. On the other
hand, I try to be a nice
>guy and welcome newcomers. Another solution I am
contemplating: The building
>of a tail dolly that keeps the plane level and
doesn't pull the wings backward
>once the pin removed.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
My Kitfox 5 is for sale. Subaru with 440 hours.
Contact me off list for details and pics.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Kitfox 5 for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
My Kitfox 5 is for sale. Subaru with 440 hours.
Contact me off list for details and pics. dacha@positech.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Gary is out of town until Wednesday but I am sure he will respond when he gets
back. He lives in a small town just outside of Sudbury, Ontario.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "Michael Gibbard" mike@mikegibbard.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats
question Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 09:58:19 -0400 -- Kitfox-List message posted
by: "Michael Gibbard" mike@mikegibbard.com I have a model II. Could they be
mounted, and how much and where do you live. I'm in Northern Michigan. Thank
you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Algate" algate@attglobal.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 4 on Czech floats
question -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" algate@attglobal.net
&
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Gill -
I use unshielded twisted pair out to my strobes, and get absolutely
no noise from my strobes at all. I would look at the following:
If you have shielded wire out to the strobes, make sure it is only
grounded at one end of the shield, this should be at the strobe
power unit. Next thing, make sure that the strobe power comes from
a separate bus than the avionics. You want the strobe power supply
coming from as electrically close to the alternator/battery as
possible. Then check to make sure you have a really REALLY good
ground to the strobe power unit. Probably 14-16 AWG, or 12 even.
Even better a strip of braided bonding wire would be best.
Since you also mention a lot of other noise on the radio, I would
be really suspicious of poor grounding throughout the system, also
you want to make sure that all your power lines to your busses, etc
are of sufficient size (i.e. think BIG)
If these don't produce any results, you might have a really crappy
power supply filter in the radio. This leaves you a couple alternatives.
One is to get the radio serviced, the othe would be to put a power
line filter right on the radio power line. A nice fruit juicy capacitor
might be a really simple fix try a 10-50 microfarad ceramic, from the
power lead to ground and see if that helps.
(+12V Radio In)-----|10uF(------(-12V Radio Ground)-
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Gill Levesque canpilot03@yahoo.ca
Subject: Kitfox-List: Noisy strobes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi all,
I have a Kuntzleman dual strobe ,which I got used and it makes a heck of a
racket!!! My Radio is a panel mounted Delcom 960. Unless I suelch full, I
get a terrible mix of engine noise and strobe noise! My KILL wires are
sheilded! Other than that ,unicom always say!"GVL your radio is a FIVE"!!!
????? Any Ideas!!!
Gil Levesque
C-IGVL
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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| Subject: | Re: Hand held installation |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Gill Levesque wrote:
> Michel,
> Can you elaborate on "moving the regulator".
Off course, Gill. But first, when do you notice a noise? In your next email,
you say that other stations read you five. It means that you only get noise
when receiving, right? That would indicate, I think, that the noise is coming
through your headphone only.
In my case, I had noise in both transmitting and receiving. First thing I did
is to check that the noise was not carried by the power supply and/or the
antenna. For that purpose, I tested with a handheld radio and the noise was the
same.
Then I noticed that the noise appeared only when my 582 was revving over say
2,800 RPM. I figured that was the speed at which my magneto gave more than 14
volts and the regulator started working.
This regulator model 264 870 was placed on the inside of the firewall, about 3
inches from the radio. I removed it and placed it on the engine side of the
firewall, there where my oil tank used to be (I mix in the wings now). Now I
had the firewall and the battery in direct line between the radio and the
regulator. Furthermore, the cables between the magneto and regulator were much,
much shorter. Lo and behold! The noise was gone!
I am not sure this is the case for you, Gill. I think you should first test
with a handheld radio and see if your noise occur also at a certain RPM. Your
problem may be entirely different. Good luck.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Arctic Fox now on Crutches |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Thanks Kurt,
I'm "upgrading" to Fred's S-6 flaperons. The price is right, we are just trying
to
figure out how to best get them up here to Nome.
Scott
DO NOT ARCHIVE
kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Scott,
>
> When I was at SS Tuesday I asked about flapperons.
> They are only making the -7 ones now, but they said
> there were a good number of upgrades being done. You
> might contact them for names and addresses for those
> that changed to -7's, if you need used -5 flapperons.
> If you contact someone who upgraded, they will have
> removed the control horns etc off theirs, so you will
> have to re-add them.
>
> The upgrade is about $1000, plus shipping. You too
> will have to use parts off your old ones though. I
> got the impression that they could get new flapperons
> off pretty quickly though.
>
> Kurt S.
> Series 5
>
> --- Scott McClintock
> >
> > Just an update for those who follow my escapades.....
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://messenger.yahoo.com/
>
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| Subject: | KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
It seems like a small problem but we've spent valuable building time
scratching our heads and so I turn to the list.
We're an S5 with Rotax 912S. Comments on the list convinced
us it was wise to install the Facet fuel pump and it is now
mounted under the passenger seat. We're about to order
the Facet 74 micron filter #479735 which is recommended to
go with the pump.
This filter has has a .375 nipple inlet over which goes a flexible fuel hose
from
the header tank.
Problem is we need a new fitting for the header tank and
a hose and for the life of us can't find in the Aircraft Spruce
catalogue the correct fitting for the header tank which would
carry the correct hose size to the filter inlet.
It's a 5/16 tapered thread aluminium fitting that goes into
the brass fitting into the header tank.
The fitting we need should look like the AN840 in the spruce
catalogue but this does not appear to come in a 5/16 thread
size.
Can someone help? What is the fitting we need
for the header tank and the hose size? Should
we be doing something differently?
All help appreciated. It's the little things and we're in
metric Europe.
Thanks
Kerry
>
>
>__________________________________
>http://messenger.yahoo.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks Darrel, Bruce and Ted.
Bruce made the point that I forgot and that is the reason I want to level the
plane on a dolly before folding the wings (apart from the weight of it),
namely, the emptying of the tanks! If I get it level, I don't have to worry
about that.
Hum, I'll look again at my old drawing of a dolly on a free-castoring wheel
that can be locked.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: (Off topic) My hometown. Michel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks for your nice comments, Greame and Eric.
Ceashman@aol.com wrote:
> You should really tell
> the folks about Brussels and the close town of Gent, beautiful places.
... and Brugges, the European commercial center in the 15th century. Brugges,
the city that went to sleep after the sand silted its artery. The riddle of the
sand of the North Sea, and far away, over the grey sea and the waves of dunes,
the mythical islands of Thule and Frysland ... the dreams of ancient seafarers
and a young boy in the 50s on the Flander beach of Ostende, with his father,
the proud airman.
... sniff, sniff, don't get me started, Eric! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Toolkits (ala Alaska) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Kurt,
Can't speak for all of us (Alaska fliers) but this is what I carry on board:
AIRPLANE STUFF
super leatherman multi-tool
10" crescent wrench
palm ratchet w/ spark plug, 8mm - 20mm sockets
2-spark plugs
small roll duct tape
fuel measuring device (dip tanks)
12' of bailing wire (coiled)
6 zip ties (12")
SURVIVAL STUFF
Trail size first-aid kit w/ suture kit
water purification tablets
mosquito head net
6 freeze-dried meal pouches
1 medium candle
DEET bug dope small bottle (great fire starter for wet wood)
space blanket (not that warm, but better than feeding the bugs)
44 mag. Super Red Hawk Pistol with 6 solid brass bullets (for not feeding the
bears, save the last round for myself)
K-TEL "Pocket Fisherman" with two "Pixies"
small hand-held GPS w/ fresh batteries
hand-held aviation radio w/ hailing channel 16 option (Coast Guard) & fresh
batteries
water proof matches
mini flare gun w/ 3 flare rounds
small lightweight hatchet
8oz. flask of Tequila
roll of flo-pink surveyor's ribbon (pretty handy for lashing things together and
marks the crash site well)
small roll of "parachute" rigging rope (for hanging yourself before the FAA
crucifixion)
(all except pistol, and hatchet fits inside a 6" diam. x 10" aluminum pod which
looks like two pots and serve as such in an emergency)
If traveling over water, type 3 PFD
During winter, add sleeping bag and several chemical hand warmers
This stuff weighs about 12 lbs. (depending) and I have it all stashed in a small
red duffel marked "emergency kit". It fits quite nicely in one of my triangular
side compartments behind my seat.
I only carry it if I'm "Going Somewhere". Usually just throw it on the front seat
of the PU for the short little sight-seeing trips.
(If I know that I'm going to have an emergency, I always take the TV/VCR and extra
condoms of course!)
Scott in Nome
kurt schrader wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> I continue to wonder what to really carry along in my
> plane. I suppose a lot depends upon the terrain I
> plan to fly over. Considerations are:
>
> Tire patch/pump
> 1 qt of oil
> Water
> Small socket/screwdriver handle
> Adjustable wrench
> Sparkplug
> Duct tape
> First aid kit
> Space blanket
> Small jump start battery
>
> If required:
> Flares
> Hand held radio
> Gun
> Survival fishing equipment
>
> Anyone have any other thoughts besides Jeff and
> Michel? What works for you? You Canadians and
> Alaskans might know best. What does the "required
> list" say?
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Life Preservers!
> >
> > Since moving to Chicago from Colorado, I've added
> > Life Preservers to my items of neccesity list.
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://messenger.yahoo.com/
>
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| Subject: | Re: Noisy strobes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Gil, Robert Knucholls hosts a forum in the Matronics group - check other
lists below. he has a diagram of a filter that was once available from
Radio Shack. I bought the last three from a local store - they are not
available on their website as it is a discontinued item. The diagram on the
Aeroelectrics site shows a configuration for filtering the power lead to an
accessory and the configuration for filtering a noise causing accessory.
The Radio Shack kit consists of a choke - possibly available elsewhere and a
capacitor which is a commonly available part.
I have two in my airplane, used to reduce noise to the mike input of my
video camera. They helped a lot.
Lowell
You may want to post a question as to where the parts may be obtained.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Noisy strobes
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hi all,
> I have a Kuntzleman dual strobe ,which I got used and it makes a heck of
a racket!!! My Radio is a panel mounted Delcom 960. Unless I suelch full, I
get a terrible mix of engine noise and strobe noise! My KILL wires are
sheilded! Other than that ,unicom always say!"GVL your radio is a FIVE"!!!
????? Any Ideas!!!
>
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
>
>
> Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Kenny, I run the Facet pump without the filter. If you feel you really do
need it, try:
http://www.magnumforceracing.com/store4/earls_performance_products.htm
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring"
<kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
>
> It seems like a small problem but we've spent valuable building time
> scratching our heads and so I turn to the list.
>
> We're an S5 with Rotax 912S. Comments on the list convinced
> us it was wise to install the Facet fuel pump and it is now
> mounted under the passenger seat. We're about to order
> the Facet 74 micron filter #479735 which is recommended to
> go with the pump.
>
> This filter has has a .375 nipple inlet over which goes a flexible fuel
hose
> from
> the header tank.
>
> Problem is we need a new fitting for the header tank and
> a hose and for the life of us can't find in the Aircraft Spruce
> catalogue the correct fitting for the header tank which would
> carry the correct hose size to the filter inlet.
>
> It's a 5/16 tapered thread aluminium fitting that goes into
> the brass fitting into the header tank.
>
> The fitting we need should look like the AN840 in the spruce
> catalogue but this does not appear to come in a 5/16 thread
> size.
>
> Can someone help? What is the fitting we need
> for the header tank and the hose size? Should
> we be doing something differently?
>
> All help appreciated. It's the little things and we're in
> metric Europe.
> Thanks
> Kerry
>
>
> >
> >
> >__________________________________
> >http://messenger.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Michel, My fist thought is to be firm. It is certainly a convenience to
some Kitfox fliers to be able to fold the wings, but I would bristle a bit
if the sole convenience was to others. I don't fold mine except, as you
say, during inspections or maintenance. I fly every week at least, if just
for that therapy session. A friend came by last weekend who has to unfold
and fold after every flight. He has to plan his flights a bit more than I
do as it takes him extra time each flight. If that procedure was necessary
for me, I am sure the flying would be somewhat less frequent.
Hold firm is my advice.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "michel" <michel@online.no>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: folding wings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
>
> Thanks for your answers, Ray and Jeff.
>
> >===== Original Message From "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael?
>
> Yes, I have, Darrel. My plane arrived by truck, wings folded. Then I fold
them
> about 3 times a year, for inspection.
> The reason of my asking is that we discuss a better hangar place
distribution
> and folding my wings after each flight would make things simpler. However
I am
> afraid to have to do it alone. Jeff's idea of a rope is a good one but
still
> ... I don't know. The point is: I was first in the hangar and I can claim
to
> keep it that way, with the wings open. On the other hand, I try to be a
nice
> guy and welcome newcomers. Another solution I am contemplating: The
building
> of a tail dolly that keeps the plane level and doesn't pull the wings
backward
> once the pin removed.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Toolkits (ala Alaska) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don" <donfox@inreach.com>
Scott, no signal mirror? Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott McClintock" <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Toolkits (ala Alaska)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> Kurt,
> Can't speak for all of us (Alaska fliers) but this is what I carry on
board:
> AIRPLANE STUFF
> super leatherman multi-tool
> 10" crescent wrench
> palm ratchet w/ spark plug, 8mm - 20mm sockets
> 2-spark plugs
> small roll duct tape
> fuel measuring device (dip tanks)
> 12' of bailing wire (coiled)
> 6 zip ties (12")
>
> SURVIVAL STUFF
> Trail size first-aid kit w/ suture kit
> water purification tablets
> mosquito head net
> 6 freeze-dried meal pouches
> 1 medium candle
> DEET bug dope small bottle (great fire starter for wet wood)
> space blanket (not that warm, but better than feeding the bugs)
> 44 mag. Super Red Hawk Pistol with 6 solid brass bullets (for not feeding
the
> bears, save the last round for myself)
> K-TEL "Pocket Fisherman" with two "Pixies"
> small hand-held GPS w/ fresh batteries
> hand-held aviation radio w/ hailing channel 16 option (Coast Guard) &
fresh
> batteries
> water proof matches
> mini flare gun w/ 3 flare rounds
> small lightweight hatchet
> 8oz. flask of Tequila
> roll of flo-pink surveyor's ribbon (pretty handy for lashing things
together and
> marks the crash site well)
> small roll of "parachute" rigging rope (for hanging yourself before the
FAA
> crucifixion)
>
> (all except pistol, and hatchet fits inside a 6" diam. x 10" aluminum pod
which
> looks like two pots and serve as such in an emergency)
> If traveling over water, type 3 PFD
> During winter, add sleeping bag and several chemical hand warmers
>
> This stuff weighs about 12 lbs. (depending) and I have it all stashed in a
small
> red duffel marked "emergency kit". It fits quite nicely in one of my
triangular
> side compartments behind my seat.
>
> I only carry it if I'm "Going Somewhere". Usually just throw it on the
front seat
> of the PU for the short little sight-seeing trips.
>
> (If I know that I'm going to have an emergency, I always take the TV/VCR
and extra
> condoms of course!)
>
> Scott in Nome
>
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I continue to wonder what to really carry along in my
> > plane. I suppose a lot depends upon the terrain I
> > plan to fly over. Considerations are:
> >
> > Tire patch/pump
> > 1 qt of oil
> > Water
> > Small socket/screwdriver handle
> > Adjustable wrench
> > Sparkplug
> > Duct tape
> > First aid kit
> > Space blanket
> > Small jump start battery
> >
> > If required:
> > Flares
> > Hand held radio
> > Gun
> > Survival fishing equipment
> >
> > Anyone have any other thoughts besides Jeff and
> > Michel? What works for you? You Canadians and
> > Alaskans might know best. What does the "required
> > list" say?
> >
> > Kurt S.
> >
> > --- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Life Preservers!
> > >
> > > Since moving to Chicago from Colorado, I've added
> > > Life Preservers to my items of neccesity list.
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > http://messenger.yahoo.com/
> >
>
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| Subject: | Tool kits ala Alaska for Don |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Don,
That would be the flask of Tequila! One side concave for a tight "beam"
the
other, convex for a wide one!
When the sun's not shining, (why would you crash on a nice day?) you
drink the
contents, contemplating that parachute cord and getting your lie
straight.
Scott in Nome
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Don wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don" <donfox@inreach.com>
>
> Scott, no signal mirror? Don
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: folding wings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Thanks Darrel, Bruce and Ted.
> Bruce made the point that I forgot and that is the reason I want to level
the
> plane on a dolly before folding the wings (apart from the weight of it),
> namely, the emptying of the tanks! If I get it level, I don't have to
worry
> about that.
> Hum, I'll look again at my old drawing of a dolly on a free-castoring
wheel
> that can be locked.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Graeme,
re your interference problems.
My name is Rex Shaw. I live in Berri Sth Aust and own a Kitfox MKIV Classic
Speedster. We had a lot of noise once the engine started. There was a choke
in the power run to the intercom and noise cancelling for the headsets. The
power for the Icom A20 radio was not fed through this although it is mounted
on the instrument panel in flight. It does then take it's power from the
plane and the audio is fed into the intercom. The antenna is mounted about
half way back on top of the fuselage.
OK I am a retired electronics tech so I suppose that helps a bit but what
I did was put a 2,200uf capacitor to ground from each side of the choke, I
then fed through a 9 volt regulator chip, after that there is a 10uf cap to
ground with a small .001uf , I think I used, across it. If you can follow me
that's great but if not and you want more detail contact me and I'll arrange
it.
The result was that all the screaming noise that came as soon as the Rotax
582 started was completely gone. There is still noises associated with the
radio when recieving and noise [ but not the screaming ] when talking on the
intercom. I'm not sure one can do much better although I did lose a little
volume because I dropped back to 9volts to the intercomm and noise
cancelling in the phones. However I can easilly bump this up with a diode or
resistor in the common leg of the regulator chip.
Really 9 volts is what it is supposed to be but it was 12 volts. I just
have to keep enough drop from the battery voltage to the new filtered rail
[ 9 volts ] It is considered 3 volts drop is about right for good
regulation and filtering. ie:- 12-9=3
however the 12 volts will be more like 13.8 with the alternator running so I
should easilly be able to come up 2 volts.
Actually it's really quite good it's just that I have pretty bad ears.
Regards,
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Hi All,
I live and fly 30+ miles south of Boston, Massachusetts. I fly mostly over Cape
Cod, and the islands. Things to fly over are The Mayflower2 ship, Plymouth rock,
and Plymouth Plantation. In case some of you do not know what these are they
are from when the Pilgrims came to America and first landed on dry land in
1620, and founded the first colony. On nice mornings myself and another Kitfox
will fly over to Nantucket, or Martha's Vineyard islands for breakfast. Its
about a half hour or so by air in the Foxes. Most of the waters are shallow and
you can see all the sand bars below, and in the winter if you get down very
low you see all the giant seals sunning themselves on the rocks.
This is also the Cranberry capital of the world. Ocean Spray Cranberries Head Quarters
is right in my home town Lakeville, Mass. As for places to land in emergencies
south of Boston there is lots of pine and Oak forests, lakes, swamps,corn
fields, and plenty of Cranberry bogs to try and land. Well that's my small
contribution , hope you like it also as I can envision flying in some of the
other lands described sofar.
thanks
Jay Fabian
Kitfox 4-1200 912ul
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Michel,
I'd experiment with how much fuel you can hold. I very rarely drain my
tanks down. As long as the fuel is an inch or more below the filler neck
when I fold, they're fine. That's about half tanks and usually after I fly
that's about all that's left! :
)
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Lina
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: folding wings
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: folding wings
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Thanks Darrel, Bruce and Ted.
> Bruce made the point that I forgot and that is the reason I want to level
the
> plane on a dolly before folding the wings (apart from the weight of it),
> namely, the emptying of the tanks! If I get it level, I don't have to
worry
> about that.
> Hum, I'll look again at my old drawing of a dolly on a free-castoring
wheel
> that can be locked.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitfox Flaperon Request |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Winder <ukav8r@mindspring.com> (by way
of Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>)
>
>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:46:33 -0600
>From: Steve Winder <ukav8r@mindspring.com>
>Organization: Airdale LLC
>Subject: Kitfox owner requires Flaperons
>
>Kitfox webmaster.
>This is Steve Winder at Airdale. We make and supply parts for Avids and
>older Kitfoxes
>Trying to find a Richard Beamer.
>He sent me an email today, 1 st June regarding flaperons for his Kitfox II.
>Unfortunatley, before I had time to reply, my Netscape Browser bombed out
>with illegal operation--when re loaded lost his email.
>If you have a Richard Beamer on your files--
>If possible ask Richard to re-send his email---
>Many thanks,
>Steve
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I have to object. The Puritans were late comers compared to the
Jamestown colony and both were really late compared to the Spanish in
Florida. Other than that, they were truely sturdy and brave, if awfully
stiff necked, pioneers. Still, the area must be really beautiful from
the air.
Jerry Liles
Jay Fabian wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
>Hi All,
>I live and fly 30+ miles south of Boston, Massachusetts. I fly mostly over Cape
Cod, and the islands. Things to fly over are The Mayflower2 ship, Plymouth rock,
and Plymouth Plantation. In case some of you do not know what these are they
are from when the Pilgrims came to America and first landed on dry land in
1620, and founded the first colony. On nice mornings myself and another Kitfox
will fly over to Nantucket, or Martha's Vineyard islands for breakfast. Its
about a half hour or so by air in the Foxes. Most of the waters are shallow and
you can see all the sand bars below, and in the winter if you get down very
low you see all the giant seals sunning themselves on the rocks.
>
>This is also the Cranberry capital of the world. Ocean Spray Cranberries Head
Quarters is right in my home town Lakeville, Mass. As for places to land in emergencies
south of Boston there is lots of pine and Oak forests, lakes, swamps,corn
fields, and plenty of Cranberry bogs to try and land. Well that's my small
contribution , hope you like it also as I can envision flying in some of the
other lands described sofar.
>thanks
>Jay Fabian
>Kitfox 4-1200 912ul
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
I must admit that I never got good grades in History in school.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles@bayou.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: (off-topic) Our hometown
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
> I have to object. The Puritans were late comers compared to the
> Jamestown colony and both were really late compared to the Spanish in
> Florida. Other than that, they were truely sturdy and brave, if awfully
> stiff necked, pioneers. Still, the area must be really beautiful from
> the air.
>
> Jerry Liles
>
> Jay Fabian wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
> >
> >Hi All,
> >I live and fly 30+ miles south of Boston, Massachusetts. I fly mostly
over Cape Cod, and the islands. Things to fly over are The Mayflower2 ship,
Plymouth rock, and Plymouth Plantation. In case some of you do not know what
these are they are from when the Pilgrims came to America and first landed
on dry land in 1620, and founded the first colony. On nice mornings myself
and another Kitfox will fly over to Nantucket, or Martha's Vineyard islands
for breakfast. Its about a half hour or so by air in the Foxes. Most of the
waters are shallow and you can see all the sand bars below, and in the
winter if you get down very low you see all the giant seals sunning
themselves on the rocks.
> >
> >This is also the Cranberry capital of the world. Ocean Spray Cranberries
Head Quarters is right in my home town Lakeville, Mass. As for places to
land in emergencies south of Boston there is lots of pine and Oak forests,
lakes, swamps,corn fields, and plenty of Cranberry bogs to try and land.
Well that's my small contribution , hope you like it also as I can envision
flying in some of the other lands described sofar.
> >thanks
> >Jay Fabian
> >Kitfox 4-1200 912ul
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex generators picture. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Hi Michel,
By now you have recieved some very good advice on folding wings. I also
have a model III and used to fold and tow for every flight until just about
three weeks ago. I finally broke down and rented a hanger. I decided that
I do not work on the plane at home enough (After 3 years of mods and
upgrades) to make it necasary to tow. Also the little damage from
constantly folding and stowing and reassembly made it obvious that it is NOT
a good idea to fold after each flight.
I ALWAYs fold the wings alone so that I do not lose track of my sequence and
cross check during the process. It is very easy to hold back the wing from
swinging when the fuselage is in three point position. BUT IT IS CRITICAL
that the flap handle is operated correctly during the procedure. You can
easily breakoff the flaperons if you let it hit the fuselage. I have found
that one wing folds more easilly first. It always is the first to fold and
the last to unfold. The flap handle only needs to be operated on the last
wing to fold. When unfolding the flap handle needs to be moved while
swinging the wing out but it is not as critical as the folding operation.
Wind is also a factor. Not so much for the wings but for the turtle deck.
I have had it flippped out of my hands even when I thought I was ready for
the wind.
The first few times I folded I had at least two of us to watch every point
on the wing during the process until every hazard was noted. Once I coud do
it by myself I refused all help as it is more of a destraction than a help.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Vortex generators picture.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> jimshumaker wrote:
> > Finally got a picture of my VG's uploaded on Sportflight. Sorry for the
delay.
>
> Thank you for the posting, Jim. I see that you fold your wings. Can you do
it
> alone or do you need to be two?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | (Of topic) Our Hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Good on ya Jay. There are names you have mentioned that I know Aussies are familiar
with. I believe Martha's vineyard is your Presidents retreat and if Im not
mistaken our Prime Minister is there at the moment. We often fly over shallow
water ourselves and its a buzz to see the marine life. It sound like a great
place to fly.
Cheers
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Re interference |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" <msm@byterocky.net>
Thanks Rex, I'm up in CQ. I have your number somewhere. I will phone you
when I find it to discuss how you fitted the radio.
Cheers
Graeme
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re interference
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi ! Graeme,
> re your interference problems.
> My name is Rex Shaw. I live in Berri Sth Aust and own a Kitfox MKIV
Classic
> Speedster. We had a lot of noise once the engine started. There was a
choke
> in the power run to the intercom and noise cancelling for the headsets.
The
> power for the Icom A20 radio was not fed through this although it is
mounted
> on the instrument panel in flight. It does then take it's power from the
> plane and the audio is fed into the intercom. The antenna is mounted about
> half way back on top of the fuselage.
> OK I am a retired electronics tech so I suppose that helps a bit but
what
> I did was put a 2,200uf capacitor to ground from each side of the choke, I
> then fed through a 9 volt regulator chip, after that there is a 10uf cap
to
> ground with a small .001uf , I think I used, across it. If you can follow
me
> that's great but if not and you want more detail contact me and I'll
arrange
> it.
> The result was that all the screaming noise that came as soon as the
Rotax
> 582 started was completely gone. There is still noises associated with the
> radio when recieving and noise [ but not the screaming ] when talking on
the
> intercom. I'm not sure one can do much better although I did lose a little
> volume because I dropped back to 9volts to the intercomm and noise
> cancelling in the phones. However I can easilly bump this up with a diode
or
> resistor in the common leg of the regulator chip.
> Really 9 volts is what it is supposed to be but it was 12 volts. I just
> have to keep enough drop from the battery voltage to the new filtered rail
> [ 9 volts ] It is considered 3 volts drop is about right for good
> regulation and filtering. ie:- 12-9=3
> however the 12 volts will be more like 13.8 with the alternator running so
I
> should easilly be able to come up 2 volts.
> Actually it's really quite good it's just that I have pretty bad ears.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rex.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kyle Ponsford" <wild_kyle@hotmail.com>
I used to fold my wings regularly by myself no problems whatsoever, I will
say I like it better not to fold them. gets to be a pain. also, the fuel
problem gets to be frustrating but I think its designed that way so there is
not much weight in the wings when folded to avoid stress on the pivots and
struts. I know I have to nearly drain my tanks to keep them from running
out.
when I rented a hanger with several other guys I built a tail stand on
wheels that has a leaver bar, so I role it under the tail, push the lever
down and the tail comes up. has a chain to lock it in place. It worked fine,
but now I don't use it. I keep her parked in my yard and only fold my wings
when putting it in my shop for winter, or vacation.
Kyle
>From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>, <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: folding wings
>Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:05:10 -0500
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I've been folding the wings on my long wing IV now
>for eight years. No tools required. Just grab the
>lift strut and go, open or folded. It's an easy one
>person task.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ted
>
>
>--- Original Message ---
>From: michel <michel@online.no>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: folding wings
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel
><michel@online.no>
> >
> >Thanks for your answers, Ray and Jeff.
> >
> >>===== Original Message From "Fox5flyer"
><morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >>Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael?
> >
> >Yes, I have, Darrel. My plane arrived by truck,
>wings folded. Then I fold them
> >about 3 times a year, for inspection.
> >The reason of my asking is that we discuss a better
>hangar place distribution
> >and folding my wings after each flight would make
>things simpler. However I am
> >afraid to have to do it alone. Jeff's idea of a rope
>is a good one but still
> >... I don't know. The point is: I was first in the
>hangar and I can claim to
> >keep it that way, with the wings open. On the other
>hand, I try to be a nice
> >guy and welcome newcomers. Another solution I am
>contemplating: The building
> >of a tail dolly that keeps the plane level and
>doesn't pull the wings backward
> >once the pin removed.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Michel
> >
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kyle Ponsford" <wild_kyle@hotmail.com>
speaking of tire kits, does anyone know how to get tires for the IV? I have
the old tube frame landing gear and matco breaks, can't find tires, I have
the original 21" tires and would love to go even bigger. but can't find even
21s anymore. and these rocks are giving me lots of repair practice!
I wouldnt travel without a pump and repair kit.
after the question I just went through the FAR 91 and cant find the required
list, FAR 91.513 lists emergency equipment but it is for "Large and Turbin
powered mutiengine airplanes."
Im still looking...
Kyle
>From: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Toolkits
>Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:29:25 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
><smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>I continue to wonder what to really carry along in my
>plane. I suppose a lot depends upon the terrain I
>plan to fly over. Considerations are:
>
>Tire patch/pump
>1 qt of oil
>Water
>Small socket/screwdriver handle
>Adjustable wrench
>Sparkplug
>Duct tape
>First aid kit
>Space blanket
>Small jump start battery
>
>If required:
>Flares
>Hand held radio
>Gun
>Survival fishing equipment
>
>Anyone have any other thoughts besides Jeff and
>Michel? What works for you? You Canadians and
>Alaskans might know best. What does the "required
>list" say?
>
>Kurt S.
>
>--- "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>wrote:
> >
> > Life Preservers!
> >
> > Since moving to Chicago from Colorado, I've added
> > Life Preservers to my items of neccesity list.
> > Getting around Chicago safely you need
> > to do some over water time. Landing on shore in
> > many areas is simply out of the question.
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: michel michel@online.no
> > Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:51:35 +0200
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Toolkits WAS: Chocks
> >
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel
> > <michel@online.no>
> >
> > >===== Original Message From kurt schrader
> > <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> > >We should compare flight tool kits here sometime to
> > >see what everyone has found as "necessary".
> >
> > My faithful Swiss knife, a mini Maglite, a sparkplug
> > key, 4 spare sparkplugs
> > ... that's all. I travel light. Looking forward to
> > hearing from you, guys.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
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