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1. 01:49 AM - Re: folding wings (broschart)
2. 04:41 AM - Re: KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings (Kerry Skyring)
3. 01:17 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (Dcecil3@aol.com)
4. 01:32 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (Randy Daughenbaugh)
5. 02:34 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (John E. King)
6. 02:44 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (Michel Verheughe)
7. 06:16 PM - New Kitfox5 builder (Richardsons)
8. 06:30 PM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (Vic Jacko)
9. 06:59 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown/John King (Dcecil3@aol.com)
10. 07:00 PM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (DC91840@aol.com)
11. 07:00 PM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (JMCBEAN)
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i have a tapered punch that is smaller than the pin , i can tap it in
and remove the retaining pin then the tapered punch holds the wing from
moving until i'm ready to proceed with the folding when the punch is
easily removed with one hand while the other holds the wing from
swinging
have a good day - Charlie
Bruce Lina wrote:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
>
> Michel, I have a Series 5 taildragger that I finished last summer. Since my
> shop door was only 9 ft wide I had to fold the wings at least 100 times
> during and after construction. I do it solo by holding on to the jury strut
> right where it connects to the wing with one hand while tapping the pin out
> with the other. Work slowly and deliberately. If given a choice I would
> recommend not folding them because you will have to drain the fuel tanks
> down each time or fuel will leak from caps unless you devise a system to
> prevent this. Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michel" <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: folding wings
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: michel <michel@online.no>
> >
> > Thanks for your answers, Ray and Jeff.
> >
> > >===== Original Message From "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >Haven't you folded your wings yet Michael?
> >
> > Yes, I have, Darrel. My plane arrived by truck, wings folded. Then I fold
> them
> > about 3 times a year, for inspection.
> > The reason of my asking is that we discuss a better hangar place
> distribution
> > and folding my wings after each flight would make things simpler. However
> I am
> > afraid to have to do it alone. Jeff's idea of a rope is a good one but
> still
> > ... I don't know. The point is: I was first in the hangar and I can claim
> to
> > keep it that way, with the wings open. On the other hand, I try to be a
> nice
> > guy and welcome newcomers. Another solution I am contemplating: The
> building
> > of a tail dolly that keeps the plane level and doesn't pull the wings
> backward
> > once the pin removed.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Thanks Bill and thanks everyone else who has helped.
I think I have the solution worked out now. I have a
potential supplier of the fitting I need and a reducer
if that does not work out.
Kerry
>From: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF 5 Help with Fuel fittings
>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:29:19 -0400
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" <bill77@cox.net>
>
> Kerry,
> I ran into a similar problem. Aircraft Spruce had the fittings that I
>needed (in 5/16") but my header tank used 1/2" pipe thread, and what ACS
>had
>was 1/4" pipe thread. Solution....use a reducer. Granted, it's another
>place for a potential leak, but it's a simple solution.
>Bill
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Hey All
I live in Virginia and am in the process of rebuilding a Kitfox III. We have
a small Farm here ,with a 1000' strip.I can trace our family back to 1200A.D.
how they got to America is beyond me ,Guess they took the Bus from England
about 1670(Rather than get nailed on my Knowlege of History).I learned to Fly
partialy by my then teacher a former Luftwaffe Pilot in WW2(HE-111s on the
Russian Front),and a program put on by the Army that ,after our class was killed
by
Ragen-nomics.We have alot of countryside here in South West Virginia, Near
Roanoke. The Blueridge Parkway,and Smithmoutain Lake(540Mi, of Shoreline, great
for float planes)nicest thing about the country is, your 20 minutes from
everything but you can keep your plane in your backyard.I work for the Electrical
utility here American Electric Power and it pays for my Toys
Best
David Cecil
N859DC
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| Subject: | (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Jerry,
I am waiting for Michel to "one up" you with some tails about the Vikings
beating the Spaniards.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Liles
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: (off-topic) Our hometown
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I have to object. The Puritans were late comers compared to the
Jamestown colony and both were really late compared to the Spanish in
Florida. Other than that, they were truely sturdy and brave, if awfully
stiff necked, pioneers. Still, the area must be really beautiful from
the air.
Jerry Liles
Jay Fabian wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
>
>Hi All,
>I live and fly 30+ miles south of Boston, Massachusetts. I fly mostly over
Cape Cod, and the islands. Things to fly over are The Mayflower2 ship,
Plymouth rock, and Plymouth Plantation. In case some of you do not know what
these are they are from when the Pilgrims came to America and first landed
on dry land in 1620, and founded the first colony. On nice mornings myself
and another Kitfox will fly over to Nantucket, or Martha's Vineyard islands
for breakfast. Its about a half hour or so by air in the Foxes. Most of the
waters are shallow and you can see all the sand bars below, and in the
winter if you get down very low you see all the giant seals sunning
themselves on the rocks.
>
>This is also the Cranberry capital of the world. Ocean Spray Cranberries
Head Quarters is right in my home town Lakeville, Mass. As for places to
land in emergencies south of Boston there is lots of pine and Oak forests,
lakes, swamps,corn fields, and plenty of Cranberry bogs to try and land.
Well that's my small contribution , hope you like it also as I can envision
flying in some of the other lands described sofar.
>thanks
>Jay Fabian
>Kitfox 4-1200 912ul
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
David,
I plan to fly into the New London Airport for their annual fly-in this
Sunday in my Series 6 Kitfox. It is located not too far from you, just
seven miles southwest of Lynchburg. Stop in and lets talk Kitfoxes.
Bring along your Luftwaffe Pilot, there is also one in Warrenton.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
>Hey All
>I live in Virginia and am in the process of rebuilding a Kitfox III. We have
>a small Farm here ,with a 1000' strip.I can trace our family back to 1200A.D.
>how they got to America is beyond me ,Guess they took the Bus from England
>about 1670(Rather than get nailed on my Knowlege of History).I learned to Fly
>partialy by my then teacher a former Luftwaffe Pilot in WW2(HE-111s on the
>Russian Front),and a program put on by the Army that ,after our class was killed
by
>Ragen-nomics.We have alot of countryside here in South West Virginia, Near
>Roanoke. The Blueridge Parkway,and Smithmoutain Lake(540Mi, of Shoreline, great
>for float planes)nicest thing about the country is, your 20 minutes from
>everything but you can keep your plane in your backyard.I work for the Electrical
>utility here American Electric Power and it pays for my Toys
> Best
> David Cecil
> N859DC
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
(off-topic)
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> I am waiting for Michel to "one up" you with some tails about the Vikings
> beating the Spaniards.
... I thought you'd never ask! :-)
Indeed the vikings beat the Spaniards at discovering the New World. There are
no doubts about that. The findings in L'Anse aux Meadows, Newfoundland, proves
it. So does the American timber found in Greenland. But many others may have
done it before Christopher Columbus (who was Genovese and not Spanish).
Most probably the Basque and the Breton landed in North America when the were
fishing cod on the Great Banks, off Newfoundland. No one would think that they
were there, fishing, and didn't go ashore to get e.g. fresh water.
But they were fishermen and fishermen don't talk. They keep their fishing
grounds on secret maps. Columbus, on the other hand, was a merchant. He needed
sponsorship, he did much advertising in a very modern way. He travelled between
the Spanish and Portuguese courts, asking for money, vessels and protection.
But since we talk about the vikings, let me tell you that they were not what
you think. You have to remember that their history was created around 1850 when
Europe got interested in the Middle Age. The name Viking was itself unknown
until that time. We don't know where it comes from. It may have been created
altogether. As is the idea that vikings had helmets with horns. An urban legend
from the last century. No such helmet was ever found. Nor were the viking ships
rigged with vertical stripes sails. Not a sail has survived from the
middle-age. Nor were they raping and killing as we believe. Remember that, in
those days, they were all doing ... er, ... forced immigration. England was
Celtic until the Anglo-Saxons came. And they weren't exactly invited. Nor
Atilla or the Vandals, for the matter.
But the vikings were good navigators. Even if their boats were not exactly what
we think they were. The typical longboat with its drake head figure was used
but ... as a ceremonial ship for a king, and inside the fjords. When sailing
across seas, they used more sturdy and decked vessels. Imagine bringing horses
to Iceland in the kind of thin, low freeboard vessel you think of when you
think vikings! No way, Jose! :-)
The vikings' saga tells about so many "sailing days" or "rowing days." Today we
know that those were not real "days" but distance measurements and quite
accurate. In fact, the "nautical mile" (a minute of a degree of latitude) they
used was much more accurate than the one Colombus used. The latter is based on
the Roman mile while the Viking mile was based on the Greek one.
It is the "short" Roman mile and the exaggeration of Marco Polo's days of
travelling eastward that led Colombus to believe that the way to India was
shorter westward. In reality, it is not, of course.
Little is known about the real vikings because other powers came to dominate
Europe from the 14th century. The Black Death took the breath out of those
proud Scandinavians. With the Renaissance came new traders, the German Hansea
League dominated the North Sea and the Scandinavian still sailed, but under
other flags.
But it is the Arabian mathematics and the Jewish Sephardic instrument making,
that made the real milestone of navigation in the 15th century Iberian
Peninsula. A shame then that 1492, the year Colombus sat sail for the New
World, is also the year Ferdinand and Isabella chased Jews and Arabs out of
Spain. The mixing of cultures is always beneficial to nations, and America is
today the best proof of it.
(sorry for the lenght of this text ... I love history)
PS: Yes, I knew about the Plymouth rock and the Mayflower, Jay. Thanks for the
story.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons" <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit & found this list.What a great
bunch!A lot of knowledge passing back & forth.Anyway I have a few questions,I'm
looking at using an O-235 or a Rotax 912.I want to build it light,I'd even consider
going non electric on the O-235.Can anyone give me an idea of the empty
weight,takeoff roll &climb rate using either?I want a basic panel.Can I get
it under 800# using the non elect O-235?I've had 3- Taylorcrafts so handpropping
is no problem.I flew a Kitfox 5 last week with an O-200 wt/ 1000# & I'd like
better performance.The last T-craft I had got off in 250-300' @800'msl & climbed
at 800-900 fpm on 85HP.I really thought the Kitfox 5 could beat that hands
down.I talked to Skystar,they really push using the Rotax.They claim it "spools
up faster"& will always take off & climb faster than the other engines.I am
more familiar with the O-235 & have one available.I need to fly off a 1000'grass
strip comfortably.I'm in SW Michigan not far from Kalamazoo,Thanks for you
help!Eric Ricahrdson=0D=0A
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Eric, You will soon hearing from Cliff Begnaud who now owns my old Lyc
powered Series 5 .It may be the lightest Lyc powered Kitfox in captivity.
The empty weight when I sold it was 870 lbs.
I don't think you can get it down to 800 lbs unless you make it a two
cylinder Lyc!
His home field is at or above 5,000 feet.
Vic. ex N88VJ Series 5TD/ Lyc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richardsons" <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox5 builder
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons"
<victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
>
> I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit & found this list.What a
great bunch!A lot of knowledge passing back & forth.Anyway I have a few
questions,I'm looking at using an O-235 or a Rotax 912.I want to build it
light,I'd even consider going non electric on the O-235.Can anyone give me
an idea of the empty weight,takeoff roll &climb rate using either?I want a
basic panel.Can I get it under 800# using the non elect O-235?I've had 3-
Taylorcrafts so handpropping is no problem.I flew a Kitfox 5 last week with
an O-200 wt/ 1000# & I'd like better performance.The last T-craft I had got
off in 250-300' @800'msl & climbed at 800-900 fpm on 85HP.I really thought
the Kitfox 5 could beat that hands down.I talked to Skystar,they really push
using the Rotax.They claim it "spools up faster"& will always take off &
climb faster than the other engines.I am more familiar with the O-235 & have
one available.I need to fly off a 1000'grass strip comfortably.I'm in SW
Michigan not far fr!
> om Kalamazoo,Thanks for you help!Eric Ricahrdson=0D=0A
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Our hometown/John King |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
John will try to make New London Saturday.The Pilot you spoke of Passed away
about 10 years ago.His name was also John and he was very gruff but if you
wanted to learn ,you would'nt have found anyone better to teach you.I'm 46, John
was my Instructor when I was 15 , so it's been awhile .I'm about 40 Minutes
from Lynchburg ,wish I could fly in but my Fox is in the garage in about a
Gazilion peices(Give or take a few)
Hope to see you there
David
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: DC91840@aol.com
How about a Jabiru 3300 engine.
Lighter weight and same power as the
O-235. Should match or better the per-
formance of the T-Craft. Just a thought.
Enjoy the building process.
Don C.
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| Subject: | New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" <JDMCBEAN@cableone.net>
Eric,
The O-235 powered aircraft will be well over 800#... typically over 900#.
Cliff's is the lightest one I have heard of and it does perform very well..
I flew it last October and it is a very nice aircraft.. I look forward to
flying it again when Cliff and Patty get out this way......
Vic will know best but I do not believe it is a stock O-235 either.. it was
built right and light.
I have a 912S powered Series 7 and love the performance. If you build with
the Rotax 912S you can keep it under the 800# pretty easy... with effort you
could possibly make 750#
PS I also have a Taylor Young... tough aircraft to beat.. what a great
wing.
Blue Skies!!
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richardsons
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox5 builder
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons" <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit & found this list.What a
great bunch!A lot of knowledge passing back & forth.Anyway I have a few
questions,I'm looking at using an O-235 or a Rotax 912.I want to build it
light,I'd even consider going non electric on the O-235.Can anyone give me
an idea of the empty weight,takeoff roll &climb rate using either?I want a
basic panel.Can I get it under 800# using the non elect O-235?I've had 3-
Taylorcrafts so handpropping is no problem.I flew a Kitfox 5 last week with
an O-200 wt/ 1000# & I'd like better performance.The last T-craft I had got
off in 250-300' @800'msl & climbed at 800-900 fpm on 85HP.I really thought
the Kitfox 5 could beat that hands down.I talked to Skystar,they really push
using the Rotax.They claim it "spools up faster"& will always take off &
climb faster than the other engines.I am more familiar with the O-235 & have
one available.I need to fly off a 1000'grass strip comfortably.I'm in SW
Michigan not far fr!
om Kalamazoo,Thanks for you help!Eric Ricahrdson=0D=0A
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