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1. 05:36 AM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (Bruce Lina)
2. 05:51 AM - Density Altitude chart (Michel Verheuge)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (Ed Veneck)
4. 08:41 AM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (Vic Jacko)
5. 11:28 AM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (Fred Shiple)
6. 11:50 AM - Re: folding wings (Michel Verheughe)
7. 04:09 PM - Re: New Kitfox5 builder (Jack Seaford)
8. 05:32 PM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (John E. King)
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Eric, I finished my Continental IO-240 powered Series 5, last summer and
here are some numbers. Empty weight is 967 lbs which includes the heavy
engine(in the 250 lb range) , larger than stock 8.50 tires which weigh 27
lbs apiece and the requirement for 15 lbs of ballast(which just kills me to
have to lug around after trying hard during the construction phase to stay
light). This ballast is required in the tail because the heavier engines
cause a forward CG problem. A suggestion here if you use a heavy engine is
to get everything you can in the tail and use a light propellor (battery,
ELT, and if I had it to do over again I would build a aft compartment which
would allow me to substitute tools for the ballast that I carry now). I also
have a full electrical system . I operate from a grass strip and my solo
(typically 1250 lb range) takeoff ground run is about 400 feet, however at
gross wt. (1550 lbs) the takeoff run is in the neighborhood of 700 to 800
feet which would make it interesting out of a 1000 ft strip. My typical
climb rate solo is right around 1000 FPM at Vy and drops to 700 FPM at
gross.I have climbed the airplane to over 10000 feet and find that it can
sustain a decent climb rate up to altitude. There are certainly ways to
lighten the airplane but that is the choice of each builder. I wanted the
starter, GPS , Transponder, Tundra tires etc so I pay the weight penalty
price. All this being said ,I having more fun than I ever thought I would in
the airplane and after 100 hours in it ,I learn something new about flying
it every flight. Have fun on your Kitfox journey , Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richardsons" <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox5 builder
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons"
<victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
>
> I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit & found this list.What a
great bunch!A lot of knowledge passing back & forth.Anyway I have a few
questions,I'm looking at using an O-235 or a Rotax 912.I want to build it
light,I'd even consider going non electric on the O-235.Can anyone give me
an idea of the empty weight,takeoff roll &climb rate using either?I want a
basic panel.Can I get it under 800# using the non elect O-235?I've had 3-
Taylorcrafts so handpropping is no problem.I flew a Kitfox 5 last week with
an O-200 wt/ 1000# & I'd like better performance.The last T-craft I had got
off in 250-300' @800'msl & climbed at 800-900 fpm on 85HP.I really thought
the Kitfox 5 could beat that hands down.I talked to Skystar,they really push
using the Rotax.They claim it "spools up faster"& will always take off &
climb faster than the other engines.I am more familiar with the O-235 & have
one available.I need to fly off a 1000'grass strip comfortably.I'm in SW
Michigan not far fr!
> om Kalamazoo,Thanks for you help!Eric Ricahrdson=0D=0A
>
>
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| Subject: | Density Altitude chart |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheuge <michel@online.no>
Hello,
I have uploaded the density altitude chart I made, in the sportflight's Various/Misc
folder. It is supposed to be folded in two, one side explain how to use
the chart, and the other is the chart itself. I did two scales for pressure, In.Hg
and HPa, and two scales of temperatures, Celsius and Fahrenheit.
The file is in PDF format and should be printed on a colour printer. Let me know
if something could be improved.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ed Veneck <edveneck@yahoo.com>
Eric
another engine that you may want to consider is the
Corvair. I'm building a Rans Coyoto and plan on using
this engine. Check out this web site before you
dismiss this idea.
http://www.corvaircraft.com/
Thanks
Ed
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons"
> <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
> >
> > I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit &
> found this list.What a
> great bunch!A lot of knowledge passing back &
> forth.Anyway I have a few
> questions,I'm looking at using an O-235 or a Rotax
> 912.I want to build it
> light,I'd even consider going non electric on the
> O-235.Can anyone give me
> an idea of the empty weight,takeoff roll &climb rate
> using either?I want a
> basic panel.Can I get it under 800# using the non
> elect O-235?I've had 3-
> Taylorcrafts so handpropping is no problem.I flew a
> Kitfox 5 last week with
> an O-200 wt/ 1000# & I'd like better performance.The
> last T-craft I had got
> off in 250-300' @800'msl & climbed at 800-900 fpm on
> 85HP.I really thought
> the Kitfox 5 could beat that hands down.I talked to
> Skystar,they really push
> using the Rotax.They claim it "spools up faster"&
> will always take off &
> climb faster than the other engines.I am more
> familiar with the O-235 & have
> one available.I need to fly off a 1000'grass strip
> comfortably.I'm in SW
> Michigan not far fr!
> > om Kalamazoo,Thanks for you help!Eric
> Ricahrdson=0D=0A
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Eric, the name of the game is to think in ounces not pounds. If you are
really interested in keeping it light then give me a call and I will tell
you how to build a Series 5 with 160 HP at 870 lbs or less without adding
ballast to the tail. The 160 HP should produce climb rates near 2000 FPM!
Vic
505-622-8513
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox5 builder
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
>
> Eric, I finished my Continental IO-240 powered Series 5, last summer and
> here are some numbers. Empty weight is 967 lbs which includes the heavy
> engine(in the 250 lb range) , larger than stock 8.50 tires which weigh 27
> lbs apiece and the requirement for 15 lbs of ballast(which just kills me
to
> have to lug around after trying hard during the construction phase to stay
> light). This ballast is required in the tail because the heavier engines
> cause a forward CG problem. A suggestion here if you use a heavy engine is
> to get everything you can in the tail and use a light propellor (battery,
> ELT, and if I had it to do over again I would build a aft compartment
which
> would allow me to substitute tools for the ballast that I carry now). I
also
> have a full electrical system . I operate from a grass strip and my solo
> (typically 1250 lb range) takeoff ground run is about 400 feet, however at
> gross wt. (1550 lbs) the takeoff run is in the neighborhood of 700 to 800
> feet which would make it interesting out of a 1000 ft strip. My typical
> climb rate solo is right around 1000 FPM at Vy and drops to 700 FPM at
> gross.I have climbed the airplane to over 10000 feet and find that it can
> sustain a decent climb rate up to altitude. There are certainly ways to
> lighten the airplane but that is the choice of each builder. I wanted the
> starter, GPS , Transponder, Tundra tires etc so I pay the weight penalty
> price. All this being said ,I having more fun than I ever thought I would
in
> the airplane and after 100 hours in it ,I learn something new about flying
> it every flight. Have fun on your Kitfox journey , Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richardsons" <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox5 builder
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons"
> <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
> >
> > I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit & found this list.What a
> great bunch!A lot of knowledge passing back & forth.Anyway I have a few
> questions,I'm looking at using an O-235 or a Rotax 912.I want to build it
> light,I'd even consider going non electric on the O-235.Can anyone give me
> an idea of the empty weight,takeoff roll &climb rate using either?I want a
> basic panel.Can I get it under 800# using the non elect O-235?I've had 3-
> Taylorcrafts so handpropping is no problem.I flew a Kitfox 5 last week
with
> an O-200 wt/ 1000# & I'd like better performance.The last T-craft I had
got
> off in 250-300' @800'msl & climbed at 800-900 fpm on 85HP.I really thought
> the Kitfox 5 could beat that hands down.I talked to Skystar,they really
push
> using the Rotax.They claim it "spools up faster"& will always take off &
> climb faster than the other engines.I am more familiar with the O-235 &
have
> one available.I need to fly off a 1000'grass strip comfortably.I'm in SW
> Michigan not far fr!
> > om Kalamazoo,Thanks for you help!Eric Ricahrdson=0D=0A
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Eric,
Just flying off hours on a Series 6 with 912S. Weight came out at 820# with day
VFR panel (no vacuum). I gained 45 lbs.(estimated at #17 for Prop-link hub, 10
for 8in tires, 8 for optional door/ turtle deck lexan and 10 for the fancy paint),
so it could easily have gotten down to 750# as John indicates. It's the
very rare O240 that gets under 900#.
Those who report flying both 912S and O240 report the 912S is signicantly lighter
on the control compared to the O240.
I'm in Toledo OH if you'd like to take a look.
Fred
do not archive
I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit & found this list.What
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| Subject: | Re: folding wings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thank you, everyone, for your comments about the folding of the wings. I'll
note that it is not that difficult, that one should be careful with the
flaperons and watch for fuel overflow. But the general idea is; to avoid it is
the best.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: New Kitfox5 builder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jack Seaford" <jseaford@bellsouth.net>
I agree with the Rotax 912 ULS.
What an engine? Plenty of power, cheap to operate, light in weight, Cranks
if you look at it, how could you inprove on a 912 Rotax.
Jack Seaford
Model 4-1200
110 hours on engine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox5 builder
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> Eric, You will soon hearing from Cliff Begnaud who now owns my old Lyc
> powered Series 5 .It may be the lightest Lyc powered Kitfox in
captivity.
> The empty weight when I sold it was 870 lbs.
>
> I don't think you can get it down to 800 lbs unless you make it a two
> cylinder Lyc!
>
> His home field is at or above 5,000 feet.
>
> Vic. ex N88VJ Series 5TD/ Lyc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richardsons" <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox5 builder
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons"
> <victoryfield@btc-bci.com>
> >
> > I have just purchased an unstarted series 5 kit & found this list.What a
> great bunch!A lot of knowledge passing back & forth.Anyway I have a few
> questions,I'm looking at using an O-235 or a Rotax 912.I want to build it
> light,I'd even consider going non electric on the O-235.Can anyone give me
> an idea of the empty weight,takeoff roll &climb rate using either?I want a
> basic panel.Can I get it under 800# using the non elect O-235?I've had 3-
> Taylorcrafts so handpropping is no problem.I flew a Kitfox 5 last week
with
> an O-200 wt/ 1000# & I'd like better performance.The last T-craft I had
got
> off in 250-300' @800'msl & climbed at 800-900 fpm on 85HP.I really thought
> the Kitfox 5 could beat that hands down.I talked to Skystar,they really
push
> using the Rotax.They claim it "spools up faster"& will always take off &
> climb faster than the other engines.I am more familiar with the O-235 &
have
> one available.I need to fly off a 1000'grass strip comfortably.I'm in SW
> Michigan not far fr!
> > om Kalamazoo,Thanks for you help!Eric Ricahrdson=0D=0A
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (off-topic) Our hometown |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Michel,
Thanks for the history lesson, very interesting. Do Not Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>(off-topic)
>
>
>(sorry for the lenght of this text ... I love history)
>PS: Yes, I knew about the Plymouth rock and the Mayflower, Jay. Thanks for the
story.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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