---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/08/04: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:42 AM - Need Info (George Wells) 2. 11:29 AM - Re: Need Info (Michel Verheughe) 3. 11:31 AM - Re: Need Info (Michel Verheughe) 4. 11:47 AM - Re: (off-topic) Our hometown (Michel Verheughe) 5. 03:19 PM - Master solenoid (Randy Daughenbaugh) 6. 04:39 PM - Re: Master solenoid (Ted Palamarek) 7. 05:15 PM - Fw: new Kitfox5 builder (Richardsons) 8. 06:44 PM - Re: Magnetic interfierence (Grant Fluent) 9. 06:54 PM - Reagan at Pointe Du Hoc (Jerry Liles) 10. 07:30 PM - Signing off (Robert Ducar) 11. 08:21 PM - Re: Signing off (Don Pearsall) 12. 10:33 PM - Re: Master solenoid (jimshumaker) 13. 10:51 PM - Re: Signing off (JMCBEAN) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:44 AM PST US From: "George Wells" Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Info --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells" I have just purchased another Kit Fox, this time a Mod 4. My previous one a 5 now resides with Scott in Nome. Anyway,I am looking for 2 posts that appeared on the site. One was for a fuel quantity drawing that you could print out and place behind the site tube in the wing to indicate fuel quantity. The other post was for a Weight & Balance Program that could be downloaded to calculate W&B on various models. Also since I am posting does anyone have any info or sources for a cabin heater for a mod 4 using a 912UL. Thanks, George ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:53 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Info --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe George Wells wrote: > The other post was for a Weight & Balance Program that could be downloaded > to calculate W&B on various models. It is here, George. Good luck. http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/download.htm Michel ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:07 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Info --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe George Wells wrote: > Anyway,I am looking for 2 posts that > appeared on the site. One was for a fuel quantity drawing that you could > print out and place behind the site tube in the wing to indicate fuel > quantity. This one is here. Sorry for the double answer, I was a bit too quick to click the first one! :-) http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/gasgauge.htm Michel ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:42 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: (off-topic) Our hometown --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Lowell Fitt wrote: > Spring in our area is gorgeous with grass covering the ground everywhere and > oak trees studding the lower foothills blending into evergreens as we go > eastward into higher country. A truly amazing scenery, Lowell. Those oak trees from your DVD are almost surrealistic. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:32 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: Kitfox-List: Master solenoid --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" My master solenoid leaks! When it is "off" it shows about 12.8 volts on the side that should be zero! It won't carry much current and the voltage drops off if any load is put on it, but it still is enough to drain the battery over a few days or week. (which seems to mean that I have some other draw, or short, that I shouldn't have!) When the solenoid is "on" all works as it is supposed to if the battery is up. Should I be hunting a new master solenoid? Or is there something else I am missing? Thanks, Randy - Engine not started yet.... . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sather Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Toolkits --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" For us nordiners we have to take snowshoe in the winter months Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Toolkits > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > --- kyle Ponsford wrote: > > ........ > > after the question I just went through the FAR 91 > > and cant find the required list, FAR 91.513 lists > > emergency equipment but it is for "Large and Turbin > > powered mutiengine airplanes." > > Im still looking... > > Kyle > > I think Canada has a "required list". Any of you > "nordiners" know a reference for it? > > Kurt S. > > > __________________________________ > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:17 PM PST US From: "Ted Palamarek" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Master solenoid --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" Randy Just for a quick check disconnect the battery side of the solenoid ---- if the 12.8V is gone from the other side when solenoid is off, then something is whacko with the solenoid. However if you disconnect the Batt side and the other side still has 12.8V then you have a secondary circuit bringing that voltage to the terminal that should normally be off. Ted -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy Daughenbaugh Subject: Kitfox-List: Master solenoid --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" My master solenoid leaks! When it is "off" it shows about 12.8 volts on the side that should be zero! It won't carry much current and the voltage drops off if any load is put on it, but it still is enough to drain the battery over a few days or week. (which seems to mean that I have some other draw, or short, that I shouldn't have!) When the solenoid is "on" all works as it is supposed to if the battery is up. Should I be hunting a new master solenoid? Or is there something else I am missing? Thanks, Randy - Engine not started yet.... . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sather Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Toolkits --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" For us nordiners we have to take snowshoe in the winter months Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Toolkits > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > --- kyle Ponsford wrote: > > ........ > > after the question I just went through the FAR 91 > > and cant find the required list, FAR 91.513 lists > > emergency equipment but it is for "Large and Turbin > > powered mutiengine airplanes." > > Im still looking... > > Kyle > > I think Canada has a "required list". Any of you > "nordiners" know a reference for it? > > Kurt S. > > > __________________________________ > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > ============== Contributions other ============== ============== http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list ============== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:09 PM PST US From: "Richardsons" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: new Kitfox5 builder --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richardsons" =0D=0A----- Original Message ----- =0D=0AFrom: Richardsons =0D=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0D=0ASent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:48 PM=0D=0ASubject: new Kitfox5 builder=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AThanks everyone for the engine advice on & off list.I've added a third one to the choices,a Rotec radial.I've seen these on the net but did not know they are available here in the U.S.In fact there is a dealer by Grand Rapids,about 70 miles from me.I'm going to check them out when his next batch comes in at the end of June.They sure look great in the photos,there's just something about a round engine.And the price is in line with my other choices.Thanks Again for your help!Eric Richardson=0D=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:41 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Magnetic interfierence --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Graeme, I have a panel mounted compass and had the same problem. I'm not sure if your panel is secured like the Classic IV? Mine had two steel tubes that supported the panel that I had to replace with aluminum tubing. After that, the compass with accurate within 5 degrees. Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV --- Graeme Toft wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft" > > > We are flying off our first 25 hours prior to > registration and are finishing off the final fitting > of nav instruments prior to being let loose. On > positioning the magnetic compass it immediately > swung 130 degrees. We have been told that the > airframe can hold a magnetic field that will swing a > compass this much and that it can be discharged from > the airframe some how. Does anyone have experience > with this problem or can some one suggest how we can > bring the compass back within manageable adjustment > parameters by neutralising the interference. > > Thanks > Graeme ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:00 PM PST US From: Jerry Liles Rick Mulhern" , Joe Hemmer , n.sidders@att.net, kitfox-list@matronics.com, Dave42na@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Reagan at Pointe Du Hoc --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles The man knew how to give a speech. "THE BOYS OF POINTE DU HOC" By RONALD REAGAN June 6, 2004 -- Excerpts from President Reagan's remarks to veterans assembled at the U.S. Ranger Monument at Pointe du Hoc, France, on D-Day's 40th anniversary. ========================== WE stand on a lonely, windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft, but 40 years ago at this moment, the air was dense with smoke and the cries of men, and the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire and the roar of cannon. At dawn, on the morning of the 6th of June, 1944, 225 Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion: to climb these sheer and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The Allies had been told that some of the mightiest of these guns were here and they would be trained on the beaches to stop the Allied advance. The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers - the edge of the cliffs shooting down at them with machine guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one Ranger fell, another would take his place. When one rope was cut, a Ranger would grab another and begin his climb again. They climbed, shot back, and held their footing. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over the top, and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Two hundred and twenty-five came here. After two days of fighting, only 90 could still bear arms. Behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the Ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. And before me are the men who put them there. These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. These are the heroes who helped end a war. Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your "lives fought for life ... and left the vivid air signed with your honor." Forty summers have passed since [that] battle. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet, you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith and belief; it was loyalty and love. The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next. It was the deep knowledge - and pray God we have not lost it - that there is a profound, moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt. You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny, and you knew the people of your countries were behind you. Something else helped the men of D-Day: their rock-hard belief that Providence would have a great hand in the events that would unfold here; that God was an ally in this great cause. And so, the night before the invasion, Gen. Matthew Ridgway on his cot, listening in the darkness for the promise God made to Joshua: "I will not fail thee nor forsake thee." WHEN the war was over, there were lives to be rebuilt and governments to be returned to the people. There were nations to be reborn. Above all, there was a new peace to be assured. These were huge and daunting tasks. But the Allies summoned strength from the faith, belief, loyalty, and love of those who fell here. They rebuilt a new Europe together. We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent. But we try always to be prepared for peace; prepared to deter aggression; prepared to negotiate the reduction of arms; and, yes, prepared to reach out again in the spirit of reconciliation. We are bound today by what bound us 40 years ago, the same loyalties, traditions, and beliefs. We're bound by reality. The strength of America's allies is vital to the United States, and the American security guarantee is essential to the continued freedom of Europe's democracies. We were with you then; we are with you now. Your hopes are our hopes, and your destiny is our destiny. Here, in this place where the West held together, let us make a vow to our dead. Let us show them by our actions that we understand what they died for. Let our actions say to them the words for which Matthew Ridgway listened: "I will not fail thee nor forsake thee." Strengthened by their courage, heartened by their [valor], and borne by their memory, let us continue to stand for the ideals for which they lived and died. Thank you very much, and God bless you all. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:17 PM PST US From: "Robert Ducar" Subject: Kitfox-List: Signing off --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Ducar" To all my friends on this list, I have sold my Kitfox project this past week and I wish to thank everyone I had interfaced with and who have helped me build my dream over the past 10 years. I have known many a good pilot but not as good as on this list. I pay my respects to those who shared our dreams and have passed on to bluer skies. Thank you all who share in the dream of flight. BTW, I sold my project to a fine gentleman named Guy Buchanan of San Diego; please help him as you have helped me. Best wishes to all and fly safe.. Bob Ducar aeropup1@charter.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:43 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Signing off --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Bob, It was great having you on the list for such as long time. Thank you for all that you contributed to the list! Do you have another project in the works? Thinking about one? Be sure to tell Guy to join the list, if you have not already. Good luck in your Kitfox-less life!! Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:16 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Master solenoid --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" Randy Sounds like the solenoid might be connected backwards....that is if it has a suppresion diode/resister network internal to the contact the diode would allow bleed through if connected reversed. Is the solenoid warm even when it has been off? Otherwise there is another circuit tied to the battery ahead of the Master. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: Kitfox-List: Master solenoid > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" > > > My master solenoid leaks! When it is "off" it shows about 12.8 volts on the > side that should be zero! It won't carry much current and the voltage drops > off if any load is put on it, but it still is enough to drain the battery > over a few days or week. (which seems to mean that I have some other draw, > or short, that I shouldn't have!) When the solenoid is "on" all works as it > is supposed to if the battery is up. > > Should I be hunting a new master solenoid? Or is there something else I am > missing? > > Thanks, > Randy - Engine not started yet.... > > . > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Sather > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Toolkits > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Sather" > > For us nordiners we have to take snowshoe in the winter months > > Shane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kurt schrader" > To: > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Toolkits > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > > > > --- kyle Ponsford wrote: > > > ........ > > > after the question I just went through the FAR 91 > > > and cant find the required list, FAR 91.513 lists > > > emergency equipment but it is for "Large and Turbin > > > powered mutiengine airplanes." > > > Im still looking... > > > Kyle > > > > I think Canada has a "required list". Any of you > > "nordiners" know a reference for it? > > > > Kurt S. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:25 PM PST US From: "JMCBEAN" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Signing off --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "JMCBEAN" Sorry to see you go... Good luck and hold on to the Dream of Flight !!! Make sure Guy gets onto the list.. I'm sure we can keep him as confused as the rest of us. Blue Skies!! John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Ducar Subject: Kitfox-List: Signing off --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Robert Ducar" To all my friends on this list, I have sold my Kitfox project this past week and I wish to thank everyone I had interfaced with and who have helped me build my dream over the past 10 years. I have known many a good pilot but not as good as on this list. I pay my respects to those who shared our dreams and have passed on to bluer skies. Thank you all who share in the dream of flight. BTW, I sold my project to a fine gentleman named Guy Buchanan of San Diego; please help him as you have helped me. Best wishes to all and fly safe.. Bob Ducar aeropup1@charter.net