---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/20/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - Re: vernier throttle ? (Victor Catalanotto) 2. 03:48 AM - Re: series 5 bubble doors (Fox5flyer) 3. 08:50 AM - Elevator Travel (George Wells) 4. 09:11 AM - Re: Elevator Travel (jdmcbean) 5. 09:45 AM - O-235 Battery (Tinne maha) 6. 09:47 AM - Re: vernier throttle ? (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 7. 12:06 PM - Re: O-235 Battery () 8. 05:28 PM - microair transponder (Bruce Lina) 9. 06:13 PM - Re: series 5 bubble doors (VFT@aol.com) 10. 06:21 PM - Re: microair transponder (Mark Schindler) 11. 07:14 PM - Carb Balance 912S (Daniel Aller) 12. 08:20 PM - Loss of Engine power! (KITFOXPILOT@att.net) 13. 08:27 PM - Re: series 5 bubble doors (Andy) 14. 08:33 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Clifford Begnaud) 15. 08:35 PM - Re: microair transponder (Andy) 16. 09:09 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Andy) 17. 10:58 PM - Re: microair transponder (Allan Aaron) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:00 AM PST US From: "Victor Catalanotto" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: vernier throttle ? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor Catalanotto" BH Thanks for the information. Victor Catalanotto Web Site www.bellanca.us 1996 Kitfox IV Classic N996LG 1972 BSV 17-30A N8281R KGPM Mansfield, TX Mobile 817-925-2532 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: vernier throttle ? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" > > Hi Victor, > Wire .078" diameter vernier is A-790. > 10-32 threaded end is the A-750. > bh > > > Does anyone have the part number for the Vernier throttle cable for the 912 > > UL on the Kitfox? > > > > Victor Catalanotto > > 1996 Kitfox IV Classic N996LG > > 1972 BSV 17-30A > > N8281R > > KGPM > > Web Site www.bellanca.us > > Mansfield, TX > > Mobile 817-925-2532 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:41 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: series 5 bubble doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" I'd thought about that myself and seriously considered it, but was a bit worried about what the solvents might do to the acrylic so I chose not to. The tape is a light gray and the glass is lightly smoked and most people don't even notice the tape is there. Darrel > I did mine with 3M tape only. About 300 hrs on them. If I do them again I > will just use nutserts, maybe, it was just too easy with the tape. I do > think i would paint the door glass around the edges to hide the tape. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: series 5 bubble doors > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > I'm getting ready to put my bubble LP doors onto the square tubing frame and > was wondering about drilling and tapping the hole on one side rather than > drilling through both walls and having the nut on the inside. Has anyone > done this? I know that the tubing wall is not very thick....would there be > enough thread to hold? > > Howard Firm > 508 12th St. South > Virginia MN 55792 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:47 AM PST US From: "George Wells" Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator Travel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells" Doe's anyone know what the Elevator travel in degrees should be for full up and down when it rests on the down stop. I can find up travel in the builders manual but not down travel. Thanks -- George ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:13 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Elevator Travel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" George, What model.. The Series 5, 6 and 7 is 39( ( 1( up 20( ( 1( down. Blue Skies John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of George Wells Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator Travel --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells" Doe's anyone know what the Elevator travel in degrees should be for full up and down when it rests on the down stop. I can find up travel in the builders manual but not down travel. Thanks -- George ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:24 AM PST US From: "Tinne maha" Subject: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" Hello listers, I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the lightest batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical requirements will not be very significant so I can get by electricallywith a light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the Weight Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can someone help here? Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your battery is? Thanks, Grant ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:28 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: vernier throttle ? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net the earlier models had a dual idler arm to actuate the throttles from input from a single vernier throttle cable. I believe that when Skystar provided two output cables from a single "knob" it was prohibitive to have dual vernier capability. John > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jo and Larry" > > We would like to replace the standard friction throttle with a vernier type. > Any one using this type and how do you like it? Any suggestions on model to > use? > Model IV with a 80hp Rotax 912 > > Thanks, > Larry > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:30 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery --> Kitfox-List message posted by: I had done a little research into a light weight battery and was leaning toward the Yuasa AGM type for motorcycles. http://www.yuasabatteries.com/maintenance_free.asp You may have to go to a dealer to get detailed specs. Rex On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:08 -0700 "Tinne maha" wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" > > > >Hello listers, > > >I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put >in the lightest batterypossible in the tail without >having to add balast. My electrical requirements will not >be very significant so I can get by electricallywith a >light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot >figure the Weight Balance before I cover so I don't know >how to deal with this issue. Can someone help here? > > >Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how >small your battery is? > > > Thanks, > > > Grant > > >Contributions >other > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list >http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list > > Rex South Park, Colorado ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:37 PM PST US From: "Bruce Lina" Subject: Kitfox-List: microair transponder 1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" Anybody out there had success with a microair T 2000 transponder in their airplane. I installed one in my Series 5 and can not get it to function consistently. ATC reports that they get occassional hits on it but then it goes away.During the troubleshooting process since first flight last August, I have 1) made a 7 inch diameter aluminum ground plane 2) made sure the antenna is grounded to the airframe 3) tried 2 different antenna locations 4) tried 2 different antennas 5) tried 2 different rg-58 coax cables 6) sent the unit back to Australia to the manufacturer to be checked out. None of this has solved the problem. I am beginning to think that this unit is junk and will never work satisfactorily so if anyone has had success with one of these transponders, please let me know. Thanks Bruce ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:38 PM PST US From: VFT@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: series 5 bubble doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/2004 12:30:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fultz@trip.net writes: > Danny, > > What spacing did you use on the 6-32 screws? Thanks > > Andy I don't remember exactly. Probably 6-8 inches. The 3M tape is what is really holding them on. The screws are for security. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:42 PM PST US From: Mark Schindler Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: microair transponder --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler There were several people on the Avid Forum who had nothing but problems with the transponder. I don't think they got a lot of support from the factory either. Mark Bruce Lina wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" Anybody out there had success with a microair T 2000 transponder in their airplane. I installed one in my Series 5 and can not get it to function consistently. ATC reports that they get occassional hits on it but then it goes away.During the troubleshooting process since first flight last August, I have 1) made a 7 inch diameter aluminum ground plane 2) made sure the antenna is grounded to the airframe 3) tried 2 different antenna locations 4) tried 2 different antennas 5) tried 2 different rg-58 coax cables 6) sent the unit back to Australia to the manufacturer to be checked out. None of this has solved the problem. I am beginning to think that this unit is junk and will never work satisfactorily so if anyone has had success with one of these transponders, please let me know. Thanks Bruce --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:39 PM PST US From: "Daniel Aller" Subject: Kitfox-List: Carb Balance 912S --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" I have a Classic IV with the dual friction throttle and no idle stops on a 912S engine. Does anybody know how to balance the carbs with this setup so I can stop bending my carb throttle valve levers when I pull it back to idle. Thank you in advance for any information. Dan Aller ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:46 PM PST US From: KITFOXPILOT@att.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Loss of Engine power! 0.5 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net Flew 2BH my Model IV 1200 with a 912S on it's first flight as the second new owner this morning. At about 350"AGL, engine started to run rough, lost power. I had my friend and CFI with me at the controls. We made one Hell of a landing, with just minor wing tip damage to left wing tip (minor). Note, brand new 912S, brand new gascalotor! well, preplexed at this time, will start to resolve the problem this week. Just thought the list might want to know. OH, engine stopped on landing. Coasted to a stop. Ray Gignac Flew 2BH my Model IV 1200 with a 912S on it's first flight as the second new owner this morning. At about 350"AGL,engine started to run rough, lost power. I had my friend and CFI with me at the controls. We made one Hell of a landing, with just minor wing tip damage to left wing tip (minor). Note, brand new 912S, brand new gascalotor! well, preplexed at this time, will start to resolve the problem this week. Just thought the list might want to know. OH, engine stopped on landing. Coasted to a stop. Ray Gignac ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:27 PM PST US From: "Andy" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: series 5 bubble doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" So you fly with the doors open? No problems with them coming loose? Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of VFT@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: series 5 bubble doors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com In a message dated 6/20/2004 12:30:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fultz@trip.net writes: > Danny, > > What spacing did you use on the 6-32 screws? Thanks > > Andy I don't remember exactly. Probably 6-8 inches. The 3M tape is what is really holding them on. The screws are for security. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:12 PM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" Grant, This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235. (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680) This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail and will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-) With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a smaller battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs and have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the proper sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah battery would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter battery should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt some lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when flying solo. For any other loads, just pull it off. Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter what, be sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto . Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE, http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane out on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it with ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing! This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm, burning 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop) Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a small 5 ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great. BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth. Best Regards, Cliff ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup > > > Hello listers, > > > I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the lightest batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical requirements will not be very significant so I can get by electricallywith a light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the Weight Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can someone help here? > > > Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your battery is? > > > Thanks, > > > Grant > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:37 PM PST US From: "Andy" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: microair transponder --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" Bruce, I just sent an inquiry to MicroAir about their transponders. That exchange is quoted below. Andy _______________________________ MicroAir Avionics Web Site - Form An enquiry for you has been received through the Microair WebSite ***************************************************************** Name : Andy Fultz Address : 1030 Fultz Road Starkville, Ms 39759 Country : USA Email Address : fultz@trip.net Phone Number : Fax Number : ***************************************************************** Comments : I have been considering your T2000SFL transponder for my project and am very near a purchase. I do have concerns though, for I have had several users of your product recommend that I not purchase a Microair transponder. They have cited issues such as power switch problems, software problems, quality control problems and a lack of response from the factory. I would certainly like to hear from you on these issues before I make a final decision. I can't afford to spend money on something that may or may not function properly. Please let me hear your side of the story. Thanks in advance. Andy ***************************************************************** Enquiry Submitted : Sunday, June 06, 2004 And here's their response Hi Andy, What you have heard may have some element of truth to it. Our transponder did have some teething problems but our latest version 5 upgrade has overcome those. It is the bit about, "lack of response" from the factory that bothers me. If we have a known problem we get the transponders returned and they are upgraded or replace accordingly at no cost to the customer. We also have 2 x technicians to help either on-line or by phone when required. We also have "Out of Warranty Service Centers" in the USA, all warranty issues are dealt with in Australia where we can monitor everything. If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards, Carol Bretag-Gillard Sales & Marketing Microair Avionics Pty Ltd Ph: + 61 7 4155 3048 Fax: + 61 7 4155 3049 Email: carol@microair.com.au Web: www.microair.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: MicroAir Web Enquiry Subject: MicroAir Dealer from Andy Fultz ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:51 PM PST US From: "Andy" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Begnaud Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery FWIW, Aircraft Spruce is actually a few dollars cheaper than Battery Mart on the HAWKER Odyssey PC680. Andy --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" Grant, This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235. (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680) This battery is nothing short of amazing. > > I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the lightest batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical requirements will not be very significant so I can get by electricallywith a light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the Weight Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can someone help here? > > > Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your battery is? > > > Thanks, > > > Grant > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: microair transponder From: "Allan Aaron" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" That exchange sums up my experience with my transponder. I had one early problem which the factory fixed at their cost when notified. I'm happy with mine. Allan -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:fultz@trip.net] Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: microair transponder --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" Bruce, I just sent an inquiry to MicroAir about their transponders. That exchange is quoted below. Andy _______________________________ MicroAir Avionics Web Site - Form An enquiry for you has been received through the Microair WebSite ***************************************************************** Name : Andy Fultz Address : 1030 Fultz Road Starkville, Ms 39759 Country : USA Email Address : fultz@trip.net Phone Number : Fax Number : ***************************************************************** Comments : I have been considering your T2000SFL transponder for my project and am very near a purchase. I do have concerns though, for I have had several users of your product recommend that I not purchase a Microair transponder. They have cited issues such as power switch problems, software problems, quality control problems and a lack of response from the factory. I would certainly like to hear from you on these issues before I make a final decision. I can't afford to spend money on something that may or may not function properly. Please let me hear your side of the story. Thanks in advance. Andy ***************************************************************** Enquiry Submitted : Sunday, June 06, 2004 And here's their response Hi Andy, What you have heard may have some element of truth to it. Our transponder did have some teething problems but our latest version 5 upgrade has overcome those. It is the bit about, "lack of response" from the factory that bothers me. If we have a known problem we get the transponders returned and they are upgraded or replace accordingly at no cost to the customer. We also have 2 x technicians to help either on-line or by phone when required. We also have "Out of Warranty Service Centers" in the USA, all warranty issues are dealt with in Australia where we can monitor everything. If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards, Carol Bretag-Gillard Sales & Marketing Microair Avionics Pty Ltd Ph: + 61 7 4155 3048 Fax: + 61 7 4155 3049 Email: carol@microair.com.au Web: www.microair.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: MicroAir Web Enquiry Subject: MicroAir Dealer from Andy Fultz The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient(s), any retention, review, retransmission, disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying, printing, or other use of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited and without liability on our part. 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