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1. 03:53 AM - Rutan again (Fox5flyer)
2. 06:27 AM - transponder (hausding, sid)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: series 5 bubble doors (Howard Firm)
4. 08:03 AM - OFF TOPIC Seattle, Wa (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 09:07 AM - Re: Master solenoid - A confession! (jareds)
6. 09:37 AM - microair transponder (Michael Gibbs)
7. 10:46 AM - Re: Master solenoid - A confession! (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 10:59 AM - Re: O-235 Battery (Tinne maha)
9. 12:43 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Clifford Begnaud)
10. 01:10 PM - 912 spark plug gap (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
11. 01:18 PM - flat batteries (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
12. 01:19 PM - Re: OFF TOPIC Seattle, Wa (Ted Palamarek)
13. 03:16 PM - Re: Master solenoid - A confession! (jareds)
14. 03:16 PM - Re Vernier Throttle (Rex & Jan Shaw)
15. 07:04 PM - Re: microair transponder (Jay Fabian)
16. 07:54 PM - Re: 912 spark plug gap (John E. King)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/index.htm
Most of you already know about this, but if not tune in CNN at 0630 PST for
this historic flight.
Darrel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Thanks for sharing that info and the reply Andy. Its those types of
questions and answers that shared amongst us can save some money, time and
headaches.........also, allows us to make that 'final' choice for the best
equipment. Eastern Avionics has some rebuilt small panel equipment in
radios and transponders that you may want to look at also.
Sid
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I just sent an inquiry to MicroAir about their transponders. That
exchange is quoted below.
Andy
_______________________________
MicroAir Avionics Web Site - Form
An enquiry for you has been received through the Microair WebSite
*****************************************************************
Name : Andy Fultz
Address : 1030 Fultz Road Starkville, Ms 39759
Country : USA
Email Address : fultz@trip.net
Phone Number :
Fax Number :
*****************************************************************
Comments : I have been considering your T2000SFL transponder for my project
and am very near a purchase. I do have concerns though, for I have had
several users of your product recommend that I not purchase a Microair
transponder. They have cited issues such as power switch problems, software
problems, quality control problems and a lack of response from the factory.
I would certainly like to hear from you on these issues before I make a
final decision. I can't afford to spend money on something that may or may
not function properly. Please let me hear your side of the story. Thanks in
advance. Andy
*****************************************************************
Enquiry Submitted : Sunday, June 06, 2004
And here's their response
Hi Andy,
What you have heard may have some element of truth to it.
Our transponder did have some teething problems but our latest version 5
upgrade has overcome those.
It is the bit about, "lack of response" from the factory that bothers me.
If we have a known problem we get the transponders returned and they are
upgraded or replace accordingly at no cost to the customer. We also have 2
x technicians to help either on-line or by phone when required.
We also have "Out of Warranty Service Centers" in the USA, all warranty
issues are dealt with in Australia where we can monitor everything.
If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Regards,
Carol Bretag-Gillard
Sales & Marketing
Microair Avionics Pty Ltd
Ph: + 61 7 4155 3048
Fax: + 61 7 4155 3049
Email: carol@microair.com.au
Web: www.microair.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: MicroAir Web Enquiry
Subject: MicroAir Dealer from Andy Fultz
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| Subject: | Re: series 5 bubble doors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Danny, Do you know what exactly type of tape you used? I'd like to use your
method.
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
>
> I don't remember exactly. Probably 6-8 inches. The 3M tape is what is
really holding them on. The screws are for security.
>
> Danny Melnik
> F1 #25
> Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
>
>
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC Seattle, Wa |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Who do we have that lives in Seattle, Wa.?
I'm flying to commercial to SEA on 24 July 04 to catch a cruise line to
Alaska (Norwegian Star). I need some information on where SEA is in relation to
the Norwegian Star. Also, "Cheap" motel near where the Star berths and any
information on the best way to get from SEA to the Star. Will be 4 in our party.
Please contact off list.
Thanks,
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Master solenoid - A confession! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Randy,
Lucky for you that fixed it. I had just replaced my batteries on 2 GPS'
and hoped that when unplugging them it would fix my drain too but am
going to take Don Smythe' advice and put a mast switch in to break all
secondary juice when the plane is sitting idle during the week.
I'm not looking fwd to the troubleshooting process!
Jared
Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>A while back I asked the list if I should have voltage on the other side of
>the master solenoid if the solenoid was "off". I got a new solenoid from
>Aircraft Spruce. It did the same thing!
>
>Well, I think Ted was closest with his comment that the voltage must be
>coming from some where else. After a lot of frustration, I started
>unhooking things. I finally tracked it down to batteries in the GPS! -
>which was plugged into a cigarette lighter type accessory plug.
>
>I now have a really swell spare master solenoid.
>
>Randy - N10NH Still building and testing - rather be flying! (Never
>thought I would say that!)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | microair transponder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Bruce asks:
>Anybody out there had success with a microair T 2000 transponder in
>their airplane.
I have one in mine and it works most of the time. On one occasion I
had ATC tell me they weren't getting a return even though the unit
showed a reply indicator. I powered it off and back on again but was
not able to get it to work in the air. As soon as I landed, turning
it off and back on made things right again. On another occasion, the
display started reading "No comm" but I got no complaints from the
tower and I landed uneventfully. Once again it came up OK after
cycling power on the ground.
Another local 'foxer has had more trouble with his than I have. He
believes it has to do with bus voltage. On the ground he's down in
the 12 volt range and it starts up reliably but in flight it's up in
the 14 volt range and often will not start working again once it gets
confused. I kicked around the idea of trying a resistor on the power
pin to drop the transponder to a couple of volts below the rest of
the system, but that's just speculation on my part.
I wonder how I can tell if we have version 5 transponders...
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Master solenoid - A confession! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/21/04 9:09:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jareds@verizon.net writes:
> Randy,
> Lucky for you that fixed it. I had just replaced my batteries on 2 GPS'
> and hoped that when unplugging them it would fix my drain too but am
> going to take Don Smythe' advice and put a mast switch in to break all
> secondary juice when the plane is sitting idle during the week.
>
> I'm not looking fwd to the troubleshooting process!
>
> Jared
>
Jared,
I've had my GPS batteries die twice but it was because I forgot to "turn
off" the GPS first before killing the master. If you do this, and turn off
just the master, the GPS switches to internal battery and runs down while you
are at home.
To the best of my knowledge, my GPS does not feed back on the electrical
system once the master is killed.
I don't understand your above comment about my secondary master. My
secondary switch takes 12VDC straight from the battery and bypasses the solenoid.
Has nothing to do with breaking secondary juice. My switch will supply a
path from battery to the main DC buss in case the "solenoid" fails.....
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my question more! I am using
the airfoiled tail sections one LSE ignition until I burn out both mags when
I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out theEllison TB link
yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the batterylinkand will be looking into
using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly surprised
by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB increase fuel efficiency
over the carburetor? Although I have already purchased a wood Sensenich
prop, I am curious about yours. Could you please send me any info you might have
on it?
Thanks again,
Grant
From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Grant,
This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
(http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail and
will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a smaller
battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs and
have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the proper
sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah battery
would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter battery
should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt some
lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when flying
solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter what, be
sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto .
Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane out
on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it with
ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm, burning
5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a small 5
ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
Best Regards,
Cliff
ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
Hello listers,
I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the lightest
batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical
requirements will not be very significant so I can get by electricallywith a
light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the Weight
Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can
someone help here?
Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your battery
is?
Thanks,
Grant
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Grant,
Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled before being
installed, so it has the same hours.
I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as well as the
LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind that I
only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm. It burns
more down low.
Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless you
operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch would be
appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their phone
number is 410-461-4329.
One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is made of
ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to the
leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the middle of
a repair right now.
Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
Best Regards,
Cliff
PS, where are you located?
>
> Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my question more! I
am using the airfoiled tail sections one LSE ignition until I burn out both
mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
>
>
> I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly
surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have already
purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you please
send me any info you might have on it?
>
>
> Grant,
> This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
> (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
> This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail and
> will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
> With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
smaller
> battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs and
> have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the proper
> sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah battery
> would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
> especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
battery
> should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt some
> lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when flying
> solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
>
> Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter what,
be
> sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
> ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto .
> Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
> http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
> ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane out
> on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it with
> ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
> This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm, burning
> 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
> Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a small
5
> ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
> BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
>
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
lightest
> batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical
> requirements will not be very significant so I can get by electricallywith
a
> light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the Weight
> Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can
> someone help here?
>
>
> Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
battery
> is?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Grant
>
>
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| Subject: | 912 spark plug gap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I'm experiencing a little puzzlement in doing the annual condition inspection and
checking the gap on the spark plugs against the manual. The 912UL handbook
calls for a gap or .5mm or.02" (memory) and I am sure that in the past I had
used a different reference that suggested something like .7mm. Can anyone shed
some light on this for me?
John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I am trying a new approach with RG battery--loading up the system with strobes
and nav lights whenever the engine is running, thinking that using some of the
current from the alternator, less impact will be experienced by the battery.
What say you list members?
On the initial flight the volt/ammeter was indicating more in the 12+V range than
the normal 13.8V.
John
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| Subject: | OFF TOPIC Seattle, Wa |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Don
Did you get any replies?? If not I could get you some info
from a Cousin who lives in Seattle.
Ted
Edmonton
DO NOT ARCHIVE
<<<<SNIP>>>>
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC Seattle, Wa
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Who do we have that lives in Seattle, Wa.?
I'm flying to commercial to SEA on 24 July 04 to catch a
cruise line to
Alaska (Norwegian Star). I need some information on where
SEA is in relation to
the Norwegian Star. Also, "Cheap" motel near where the Star
berths and any
information on the best way to get from SEA to the Star.
Will be 4 in our party.
Please contact off list.
Thanks,
Don Smythe
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Master solenoid - A confession! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Don,
I had understood a previous message in that you had eliminated your
solenoid for the panel in lew of a regular switch but kept the starter
solenoid.
My plan for now was to just add a kind of "kill switch" to the panel
except my clock until or if i found what was draining the batteries
during the week.
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 6/21/04 9:09:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>jareds@verizon.net writes:
>
>
>
>
>>Randy,
>>Lucky for you that fixed it. I had just replaced my batteries on 2 GPS'
>>and hoped that when unplugging them it would fix my drain too but am
>>going to take Don Smythe' advice and put a mast switch in to break all
>>secondary juice when the plane is sitting idle during the week.
>>
>>I'm not looking fwd to the troubleshooting process!
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>>
>
>Jared,
> I've had my GPS batteries die twice but it was because I forgot to "turn
>off" the GPS first before killing the master. If you do this, and turn off
>just the master, the GPS switches to internal battery and runs down while you
>are at home.
> To the best of my knowledge, my GPS does not feed back on the electrical
>system once the master is killed.
> I don't understand your above comment about my secondary master. My
>secondary switch takes 12VDC straight from the battery and bypasses the solenoid.
>Has nothing to do with breaking secondary juice. My switch will supply a
>path from battery to the main DC buss in case the "solenoid" fails.....
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re Vernier Throttle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I have a vernier throttle on my MKIV 582. At first I thought it arkward but
just a little getting used to it and it's the best I reckon, Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: microair transponder |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Do not get me started again on my Micro air radio. It broke at 2 months old,
and then took about 9 months to fix it . Then it was out of warrenty, and if
it broke again they would not fix it unless I paid for it , even though they
had it for my full years time with me not using it. So I did not buy the
transponder when it came out.
Jay Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: microair transponder
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
>
> That exchange sums up my experience with my transponder. I had one early
problem which the factory fixed at their cost when notified. I'm happy with
mine.
>
> Allan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy [mailto:fultz@trip.net]
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: microair transponder
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" <fultz@trip.net>
>
> Bruce,
>
> I just sent an inquiry to MicroAir about their transponders. That
> exchange is quoted below.
>
> Andy
> _______________________________
> MicroAir Avionics Web Site - Form
>
> An enquiry for you has been received through the Microair WebSite
> *****************************************************************
> Name : Andy Fultz
> Address : 1030 Fultz Road Starkville, Ms 39759
> Country : USA
> Email Address : fultz@trip.net
> Phone Number :
> Fax Number :
>
> *****************************************************************
> Comments : I have been considering your T2000SFL transponder for my
project
> and am very near a purchase. I do have concerns though, for I have had
> several users of your product recommend that I not purchase a Microair
> transponder. They have cited issues such as power switch problems,
software
> problems, quality control problems and a lack of response from the
factory.
> I would certainly like to hear from you on these issues before I make a
> final decision. I can't afford to spend money on something that may or may
> not function properly. Please let me hear your side of the story. Thanks
in
> advance. Andy
> *****************************************************************
>
>
> Enquiry Submitted : Sunday, June 06, 2004
>
>
> And here's their response
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> What you have heard may have some element of truth to it.
>
> Our transponder did have some teething problems but our latest version 5
> upgrade has overcome those.
>
> It is the bit about, "lack of response" from the factory that bothers me.
> If we have a known problem we get the transponders returned and they are
> upgraded or replace accordingly at no cost to the customer. We also have
2
> x technicians to help either on-line or by phone when required.
>
> We also have "Out of Warranty Service Centers" in the USA, all warranty
> issues are dealt with in Australia where we can monitor everything.
>
> If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact
me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Carol Bretag-Gillard
> Sales & Marketing
> Microair Avionics Pty Ltd
> Ph: + 61 7 4155 3048
> Fax: + 61 7 4155 3049
> Email: carol@microair.com.au
> Web: www.microair.com.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MicroAir Web Enquiry
> To: carol@microair.com.au
> Subject: MicroAir Dealer from Andy Fultz
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 spark plug gap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
John,
The Rotax Maintenance Manual specifies .028 to .031 inches. I set them
to .028".
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John King
Warrenton, VA
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
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>I'm experiencing a little puzzlement in doing the annual condition inspection
and checking the gap on the spark plugs against the manual. The 912UL handbook
calls for a gap or .5mm or.02" (memory) and I am sure that in the past I had
used a different reference that suggested something like .7mm. Can anyone shed
some light on this for me?
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>John
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