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1. 06:58 AM - Re: Master solenoid - A confession! (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 07:48 AM - Re: Master solenoid - A confession! (Rick)
3. 08:24 AM - 912 Quad Gauge (Steve Magdic)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: 912 Quad Gauge, bad ground? (flier)
5. 09:26 AM - Re: 912 Quad Gauge (skyflyte@comcast.net)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: O-235 Battery (Tinne maha)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: O-235 Battery (Clifford Begnaud)
8. 11:09 AM - Instrument panel wiring (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
9. 11:58 AM - Re: 912 spark plug gap (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
10. 12:21 PM - Re: Master solenoid - A confession! (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 12:45 PM - Re: Kit fox-List: OFF TOPIC Seattle, Way (Glenn Horne)
12. 12:50 PM - Crack in Copper Lug. Poor starter cranking (Harris, Robert)
13. 02:40 PM - Wing Strut fairings @ M4 (Chuck & Deanna Schieffer)
14. 03:01 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Tinne maha)
15. 04:47 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Clifford Begnaud)
16. 05:06 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Bruce Lina)
17. 05:47 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Vic Jacko)
18. 05:53 PM - Re: O-235 Battery (Vic Jacko)
19. 06:43 PM - Re: Wing Strut fairings @ M4 (Robert Toth)
20. 06:44 PM - Props; was: O-235 Battery (Clifford Begnaud)
21. 07:16 PM - Re: Wing Strut fairings @ M4 (jdmcbean)
22. 08:27 PM - Another Fox Flies (Norm Beauchamp)
23. 08:53 PM - Re: Wing Strut fairings @ M4 (Lowell Fitt)
24. 08:56 PM - Re: Another Fox Flies pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------------- (Dee Young)
25. 09:06 PM - Re: Carb Balance 912S (Wwillyard@aol.com)
26. 09:32 PM - (Marc Arseneault)
27. 10:23 PM - Cargo Pod Questions (Jeff Smathers)
28. 10:32 PM - Trade a new Bose Headset for a Garmin 196? (Jeff Smathers)
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| Subject: | Re: Master solenoid - A confession! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Jared,
See below,
> Don,
>
> I had understood a previous message in that you had eliminated your
> solenoid for the panel in lew of a regular switch but kept the starter
> solenoid.
No, I said that if I had it to do all over again that I might delete the
master Solenoid and go with a mechanical switch. I currently have both solenoids.
The switch I added simply goes from one side of the solenoid to the other.
It's a 14 gauge wire with the switch located behind a small panel (fuse panel)
on the instrument panel. It is marked "EMER. 12VDC BYPASS". If you loose
the master solenoid in flight, you can throw this switch and keep continuity
between the battery and the main DC buss. However, you "CANNOT" engage the
starter with this system since it would fry the 14 gauge wire. The bypass circuit
is fused so the wire would not actually fry but the fuse would kick and you
would loose the bypass capability. This 14 gauge circuit will allow you to have
all of your electric's and keep the battery charged.
>
> My plan for now was to just add a kind of "kill switch" to the panel
> except my clock until or if I found what was draining the batteries
> during the week.
>
I think I would kill all power to the panel even the clock. Either keep the
master solenoid or if you go to a mechanical switch, remember to use wire
"big" enough to handle the starter.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Master solenoid - A confession! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I like the concept. I think I will make a short jumper to bypaas in case of
solenoid failure, heavy 4 ga and keep it in my tool box.
Rick
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Master solenoid - A confession!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Jared,
See below,
> Don,
>
> I had understood a previous message in that you had eliminated your
> solenoid for the panel in lew of a regular switch but kept the starter
> solenoid.
No, I said that if I had it to do all over again that I might delete the
master Solenoid and go with a mechanical switch. I currently have both
solenoids.
The switch I added simply goes from one side of the solenoid to the other.
It's a 14 gauge wire with the switch located behind a small panel (fuse
panel)
on the instrument panel. It is marked "EMER. 12VDC BYPASS". If you loose
the master solenoid in flight, you can throw this switch and keep continuity
between the battery and the main DC buss. However, you "CANNOT" engage the
starter with this system since it would fry the 14 gauge wire. The bypass
circuit
is fused so the wire would not actually fry but the fuse would kick and you
would loose the bypass capability. This 14 gauge circuit will allow you to
have
all of your electric's and keep the battery charged.
>
> My plan for now was to just add a kind of "kill switch" to the panel
> except my clock until or if I found what was draining the batteries
> during the week.
>
I think I would kill all power to the panel even the clock. Either keep the
master solenoid or if you go to a mechanical switch, remember to use wire
"big" enough to handle the starter.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Fellow KitFox owners, perhaps the vast knowledge of this group could help steer
me in the proper direction
to trouble shoot this problem.
I own a model 3 with a 912 powerplant. I have a quad gauge installed for engine
monitoring that
has the EGT, CHT, Oil Temp and Oil Pressure. The problem I am experiencing is this,
as I apply
throttle from 3/4 to WOT, the needles on the oil pressure, oil temperature and
CHT all rotate in
a CCW direction imitating throttle movement. As I reduce throttle, these same needles
will rotate
in a clockwise direction.
I know my oil and CHT temps can not rise and cool as rapidly as the gauges read.
I assume
there is some sort of electrical or magnetic interference.
I have traced the wire harness and have found nothing obvious that could cause
this anomaly.
The power to this gauge comes from a power panel which is fed from the 12 volts
DC put out by the
engine.
I don't want to spend the $360 for a new quad gauge and senders if I don't have
to.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve Magdic
Sussex WI
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Quad Gauge, bad ground? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Steve,
Check your ground from the engine to battery &
frame. Make sure it's tight and oxidation free.
I had a problem before with an oil pressure sensor I
thought was bad doing the same thing. It ended up
being due to a very slight resistance in my ground
that affected the sensor.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 Quad Gauge
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic"
<steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
>Fellow KitFox owners, perhaps the vast knowledge of
this group could help steer me in the proper direction
>to trouble shoot this problem.
>I own a model 3 with a 912 powerplant. I have a quad
gauge installed for engine monitoring that
>has the EGT, CHT, Oil Temp and Oil Pressure. The
problem I am experiencing is this, as I apply
>throttle from 3/4 to WOT, the needles on the oil
pressure, oil temperature and CHT all rotate in
>a CCW direction imitating throttle movement. As I
reduce throttle, these same needles will rotate
>in a clockwise direction.
>I know my oil and CHT temps can not rise and cool as
rapidly as the gauges read. I assume
>there is some sort of electrical or magnetic
interference.
>I have traced the wire harness and have found
nothing obvious that could cause this anomaly.
>The power to this gauge comes from a power panel
which is fed from the 12 volts DC put out by the
>engine.
>I don't want to spend the $360 for a new quad gauge
and senders if I don't have to.
>Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Steve Magdic
>Sussex WI
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Quad Gauge |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net
Steve,
This sounds like your instrument is being affected by vibration. Unplug one
or more of the sensors and see if you get the same result.
Mike
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" <steve.magdic@1psg.com>
>
> Fellow KitFox owners, perhaps the vast knowledge of this group could help steer
> me in the proper direction
> to trouble shoot this problem.
> I own a model 3 with a 912 powerplant. I have a quad gauge installed for engine
> monitoring that
> has the EGT, CHT, Oil Temp and Oil Pressure. The problem I am experiencing is
> this, as I apply
> throttle from 3/4 to WOT, the needles on the oil pressure, oil temperature and
> CHT all rotate in
> a CCW direction imitating throttle movement. As I reduce throttle, these same
> needles will rotate
> in a clockwise direction.
> I know my oil and CHT temps can not rise and cool as rapidly as the gauges read.
> I assume
> there is some sort of electrical or magnetic interference.
> I have traced the wire harness and have found nothing obvious that could cause
> this anomaly.
> The power to this gauge comes from a power panel which is fed from the 12 volts
> DC put out by the
> engine.
> I don't want to spend the $360 for a new quad gauge and senders if I don't have
> to.
> Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Steve Magdic
> Sussex WI
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my plane to be
able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in Idaho? I don't remember
off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to wait to see what
kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two or three blade?
I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do you deal with
that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
Talk to you later,
Grant
From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Grant,
Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled before being
installed, so it has the same hours.
I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as well as the
LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind that I
only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm. It burns
more down low.
Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless you
operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch would be
appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their phone
number is 410-461-4329.
One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is made of
ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to the
leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the middle of
a repair right now.
Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
Best Regards,
Cliff
PS, where are you located?
Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore! I
am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn out both
mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly
surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have already
purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you please
send me any info you might have on it?
Grant,
This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
(http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail and
will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
smaller
battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs and
have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the proper
sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah battery
would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
battery
should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt some
lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when flying
solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter what,
be
sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto .
Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane out
on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it with
ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm, burning
5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a small
5
ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
Best Regards,
Cliff
ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
Hello listers,
I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
lightest
batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical
requirements will not be very significant so I can get by electricallywith
a
light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the Weight
Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can
someone help here?
Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
battery
is?
Thanks,
Grant
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Grant,
The prop is two blade, wood.
I live in Erie, CO on an airpark (48V) elevation 5100'.
I also use 95 mph IAS as maneuvering speed. If the air gets rough, I slow it
down, simple as that. Above 8000' or so, it will indicate 115-120 mph for a
TAS of 130. So the slow down is not as bad as you would think. This doesn't
mean you have to slow down this much just for some light chop. I don't slow
down for that at all.
Best Regards,
Cliff
> Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my plane
to be able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in Idaho? I
don't remember off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to wait to
see what kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two or
three blade? I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
>
>
> Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do you
deal with that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
>
>
> Talk to you later,
>
>
> Grant
>
>
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:38:14 -0600
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
shoeless@barefootpilot.com
>
> Grant,
> Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled before
being
> installed, so it has the same hours.
> I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as well as
the
> LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind that I
> only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm. It
burns
> more down low.
>
> Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless you
> operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch would
be
> appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their phone
> number is 410-461-4329.
> One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is made
of
> ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to the
> leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the middle
of
> a repair right now.
> Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> PS, where are you located?
>
>
> Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore! I
> am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn out both
> mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
> theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
> batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
>
>
> I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly
> surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
> increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have already
> purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you
please
> send me any info you might have on it?
>
>
> Grant,
> This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
> (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
> This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail and
> will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
> With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
> smaller
> battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs
and
> have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the
proper
> sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah
battery
> would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
> especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
> battery
> should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt
some
> lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when flying
> solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
>
> Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter what,
> be
> sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
> ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto .
> Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
> http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
> ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane
out
> on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it
with
> ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
> This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm, burning
> 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
> Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a
small
> 5
> ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
> BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
>
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
> lightest
> batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical
> requirements will not be very significant so I can get by
electricallywith
> a
> light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the
Weight
> Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can
> someone help here?
>
>
> Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
> battery
> is?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Grant
>
>
> MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups now 3 months FREE!
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument panel wiring |
name@matronics.com, description@matronics.com, ----@matronics.com,
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
I am (trying) to wire my instrument panel. If anyone has installed a Terra
TN 200D Nav Radio, or is familiar with wiring radios, please feel free to jump
in with an answer to the following question.
On the schematic, the glideslope wiring indicates to use a shielded pair.
However, there is a symbol I haven't seen before. There is a letter 'P' with an
arrow that points to one of the glideslope wires and then an arrow connecting
a pair of + glideslope up and down wires and the same symbol and arrows are
repeated for the glideslope flag pair.
Does anyone know how to translate this symbology into English for those of us
who are schematically challenged?
Thanks,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
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| Subject: | Re: 912 spark plug gap |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
thanks John, I knew I had seen a different specification then the .20 shown in
the owners manual.
John
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> John,
>
> The Rotax Maintenance Manual specifies .028 to .031 inches. I set them
> to .028".
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> >I'm experiencing a little puzzlement in doing the annual condition inspection
> and checking the gap on the spark plugs against the manual. The 912UL handbook
> calls for a gap or .5mm or.02" (memory) and I am sure that in the past I had
> used a different reference that suggested something like .7mm. Can anyone shed
> some light on this for me?
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Master solenoid - A confession! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/22/04 7:49:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
turboflyer@comcast.net writes:
>
> I like the concept. I think I will make a short jumper to bypaas in case of
> solenoid failure, heavy 4 ga and keep it in my tool box.
>
> Rick
>
Rick,
Just carry along a nut/bolt and bolt the input/output together. Or, pull
the output and double it up with the input on the solenoid stud.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | RE: Kit fox-List: OFF TOPIC Seattle, Way |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Hi Don,
Is this a second honeymoon?
With four in the party I wouldn't think
so. When will you be back.
Got the hold cut under the cowling and back in place.
Will look at the plat plates that I need to put under the panel
so you feet don't get hung up.
Talk to me.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: OFF TOPIC Seattle, Wa
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Who do we have that lives in Seattle, Wa.?
I'm flying to commercial to SEA on 24 July 04 to catch a cruise line to
Alaska (Norwegian Star). I need some information on where SEA is in
relation to
the Norwegian Star. Also, "Cheap" motel near where the Star berths and any
information on the best way to get from SEA to the Star. Will be 4 in our
party.
Please contact off list.
Thanks,
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Crack in Copper Lug. Poor starter cranking |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Crack in Copper Lug near starter post.
A crack in the battery cable lug that connects to the starter caused the
starter cranking speed to slow down over time. The crack was 1/4 inch from
the tip of the lug and developed over time which is evident by the build up
of dirt.
This is hard to diagnose because the crack is hard to see, the starter still
cranks, and the connections are all good.
With a new lug my starting problems are solved.
Robert
KFII/N43WC
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| Subject: | Wing Strut fairings @ M4 |
pts rule name description
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
I just purchased the speed fairings for the wing struts from Kitfox for my Model
4-1200. There are some ridges on the outside of the fairings. Directions don't
say whether to leave them on or sand them off. The ridges look like they
were purposly part of the molding process. Does anyone know if they should be
left on, (turbulent airflow), or sanded off, (laminar airflow).
Thanks,
Chuck
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha@hotmail.com>
Hey Cliff,
I meant to ask about your starter: Do you use a permanent magnet (like skytec)
or wound field starter (like BC)?
I am installing one + and one - cable from the battery. Each cable will have slightly
less resistance than AWG 2 copper. Is that roughly equivalent to your setup?
Grant
From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Grant,
The prop is two blade, wood.
I live in Erie, CO on an airpark (48V) elevation 5100'.
I also use 95 mph IAS as maneuvering speed. If the air gets rough, I slow it
down, simple as that. Above 8000' or so, it will indicate 115-120 mph for a
TAS of 130. So the slow down is not as bad as you would think. This doesn't
mean you have to slow down this much just for some light chop. I don't slow
down for that at all.
Best Regards,
Cliff
Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my plane
to be able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in Idaho? I
don't remember off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to wait to
see what kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two or
three blade? I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do you
deal with that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
Talk to you later,
Grant
From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:38:14 -0600
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
shoeless@barefootpilot.com
Grant,
Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled before
being
installed, so it has the same hours.
I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as well as
the
LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind that I
only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm. It
burns
more down low.
Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless you
operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch would
be
appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their phone
number is 410-461-4329.
One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is made
of
ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to the
leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the middle
of
a repair right now.
Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
Best Regards,
Cliff
PS, where are you located?
Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore! I
am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn out both
mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly
surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have already
purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you
please
send me any info you might have on it?
Grant,
This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
(http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail and
will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
smaller
battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs
and
have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the
proper
sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah
battery
would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
battery
should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt
some
lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when flying
solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter what,
be
sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto .
Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane
out
on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it
with
ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm, burning
5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a
small
5
ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
Best Regards,
Cliff
ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
Hello listers,
I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
lightest
batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical
requirements will not be very significant so I can get by
electricallywith
a
light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the
Weight
Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can
someone help here?
Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
battery
is?
Thanks,
Grant
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Good question, perhaps Vic Jacko, the builder of the plane will chime in
here.
Cliff
>
>
> Hey Cliff,
>
>
> I meant to ask about your starter: Do you use a permanent magnet (like
skytec) or wound field starter (like BC)?
>
>
> I am installing one + and one - cable from the battery. Each cable will
have slightly less resistance than AWG 2 copper. Is that roughly equivalent
to your setup?
>
>
> Grant
>
>
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:07:16 -0600
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
shoeless@barefootpilot.com
>
>
> Grant,
> The prop is two blade, wood.
> I live in Erie, CO on an airpark (48V) elevation 5100'.
> I also use 95 mph IAS as maneuvering speed. If the air gets rough, I slow
it
> down, simple as that. Above 8000' or so, it will indicate 115-120 mph for
a
> TAS of 130. So the slow down is not as bad as you would think. This
doesn't
> mean you have to slow down this much just for some light chop. I don't
slow
> down for that at all.
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
>
>
> Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my
plane
> to be able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in Idaho?
I
> don't remember off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to wait
to
> see what kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two or
> three blade? I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
>
>
> Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do you
> deal with that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
>
>
> Talk to you later,
>
>
> Grant
>
>
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:38:14 -0600
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> shoeless@barefootpilot.com
>
> Grant,
> Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled before
> being
> installed, so it has the same hours.
> I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as well as
> the
> LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind that
I
> only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm. It
> burns
> more down low.
>
> Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless you
> operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch
would
> be
> appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their phone
> number is 410-461-4329.
> One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is
made
> of
> ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to the
> leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the middle
> of
> a repair right now.
> Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> PS, where are you located?
>
>
> Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore! I
> am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn out
both
> mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
> theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
> batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
>
>
> I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly
> surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
> increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have already
> purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you
> please
> send me any info you might have on it?
>
>
> Grant,
> This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
> (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
> This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail and
> will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
> With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
> smaller
> battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs
> and
> have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the
> proper
> sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah
> battery
> would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
> especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
> battery
> should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt
> some
> lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when flying
> solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
>
> Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter what,
> be
> sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
> ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto .
> Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
> http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
> ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane
> out
> on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it
> with
> ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
> This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm, burning
> 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
> Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a
> small
> 5
> ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
> BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
>
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
> lightest
> batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My electrical
> requirements will not be very significant so I can get by
> electricallywith
> a
> light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the
> Weight
> Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue. Can
> someone help here?
>
>
> Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
> battery
> is?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Grant
>
>
> MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-upsnow 3 months FREE!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Cliff, What is your static RPM at full throttle with your engine and prop
combo. I have a Continental IO-240 engine with a Sensenich wood prop and can
only achieve 2200 RPM static at full throttle. I know I could achieve better
TO and climb perf with a better prop , engine combo, but at a 1000 bucks a
pop (or prop) as the case may be it gets a bit expensive to do the R & D.
Thanks Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
> Good question, perhaps Vic Jacko, the builder of the plane will chime in
> here.
> Cliff
> >
> >
> > Hey Cliff,
> >
> >
> > I meant to ask about your starter: Do you use a permanent magnet (like
> skytec) or wound field starter (like BC)?
> >
> >
> > I am installing one + and one - cable from the battery. Each cable will
> have slightly less resistance than AWG 2 copper. Is that roughly
equivalent
> to your setup?
> >
> >
> > Grant
> >
> >
> > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:07:16 -0600
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> >
> >
> > Grant,
> > The prop is two blade, wood.
> > I live in Erie, CO on an airpark (48V) elevation 5100'.
> > I also use 95 mph IAS as maneuvering speed. If the air gets rough, I
slow
> it
> > down, simple as that. Above 8000' or so, it will indicate 115-120 mph
for
> a
> > TAS of 130. So the slow down is not as bad as you would think. This
> doesn't
> > mean you have to slow down this much just for some light chop. I don't
> slow
> > down for that at all.
> > Best Regards,
> > Cliff
> >
> >
> > Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my
> plane
> > to be able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in
Idaho?
> I
> > don't remember off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to
wait
> to
> > see what kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two
or
> > three blade? I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
> >
> >
> > Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do
you
> > deal with that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
> >
> >
> > Talk to you later,
> >
> >
> > Grant
> >
> >
> > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:38:14 -0600
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> >
> > Grant,
> > Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled before
> > being
> > installed, so it has the same hours.
> > I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as well
as
> > the
> > LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind
that
> I
> > only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm. It
> > burns
> > more down low.
> >
> > Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless
you
> > operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch
> would
> > be
> > appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their
phone
> > number is 410-461-4329.
> > One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is
> made
> > of
> > ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to
the
> > leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the
middle
> > of
> > a repair right now.
> > Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
> > Best Regards,
> > Cliff
> > PS, where are you located?
> >
> >
> > Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore! I
> > am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn out
> both
> > mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
> > theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
> > batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
> >
> >
> > I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly
> > surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
> > increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have already
> > purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you
> > please
> > send me any info you might have on it?
> >
> >
> > Grant,
> > This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
> > (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
> > This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail
and
> > will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
> > With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
> > smaller
> > battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs
> > and
> > have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the
> > proper
> > sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah
> > battery
> > would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
> > especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
> > battery
> > should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt
> > some
> > lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when
flying
> > solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
> >
> > Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter
what,
> > be
> > sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
> > ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto
.
> > Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
> > http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
> > ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane
> > out
> > on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it
> > with
> > ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
> > This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm,
burning
> > 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
> > Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a
> > small
> > 5
> > ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
> > BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
> > Best Regards,
> > Cliff
> > ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
> >
> >
> > Hello listers,
> >
> >
> > I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
> > lightest
> > batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My
electrical
> > requirements will not be very significant so I can get by
> > electricallywith
> > a
> > light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the
> > Weight
> > Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue.
Can
> > someone help here?
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
> > battery
> > is?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Grant
> >
> >
> > MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-upsnow 3 months FREE!
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Cliff, Grant, As I remember it is a Sky-Tec Starter. The offset oil
filter housing is B & C Cliff, for your info!
Vic
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
>
> Good question, perhaps Vic Jacko, the builder of the plane will chime in
> here.
> Cliff
> >
> >
> > Hey Cliff,
> >
> >
> > I meant to ask about your starter: Do you use a permanent magnet (like
> skytec) or wound field starter (like BC)?
> >
> >
> > I am installing one + and one - cable from the battery. Each cable will
> have slightly less resistance than AWG 2 copper. Is that roughly
equivalent
> to your setup?
> >
> >
> > Grant
> >
> >
> > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:07:16 -0600
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> >
> >
> > Grant,
> > The prop is two blade, wood.
> > I live in Erie, CO on an airpark (48V) elevation 5100'.
> > I also use 95 mph IAS as maneuvering speed. If the air gets rough, I
slow
> it
> > down, simple as that. Above 8000' or so, it will indicate 115-120 mph
for
> a
> > TAS of 130. So the slow down is not as bad as you would think. This
> doesn't
> > mean you have to slow down this much just for some light chop. I don't
> slow
> > down for that at all.
> > Best Regards,
> > Cliff
> >
> >
> > Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my
> plane
> > to be able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in
Idaho?
> I
> > don't remember off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to
wait
> to
> > see what kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two
or
> > three blade? I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
> >
> >
> > Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do
you
> > deal with that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
> >
> >
> > Talk to you later,
> >
> >
> > Grant
> >
> >
> > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:38:14 -0600
> >
> > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> >
> > Grant,
> > Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled before
> > being
> > installed, so it has the same hours.
> > I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as well
as
> > the
> > LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind
that
> I
> > only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm. It
> > burns
> > more down low.
> >
> > Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless
you
> > operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch
> would
> > be
> > appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their
phone
> > number is 410-461-4329.
> > One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is
> made
> > of
> > ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to
the
> > leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the
middle
> > of
> > a repair right now.
> > Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
> > Best Regards,
> > Cliff
> > PS, where are you located?
> >
> >
> > Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore! I
> > am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn out
> both
> > mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
> > theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
> > batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
> >
> >
> > I have been wondering about the performance figures and am pleasantly
> > surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
> > increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have already
> > purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you
> > please
> > send me any info you might have on it?
> >
> >
> > Grant,
> > This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
> > (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
> > This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail
and
> > will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
> > With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
> > smaller
> > battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10 lbs
> > and
> > have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the
> > proper
> > sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah
> > battery
> > would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process and
> > especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
> > battery
> > should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt
> > some
> > lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when
flying
> > solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
> >
> > Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter
what,
> > be
> > sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering electronic
> > ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one magneto
.
> > Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
> > http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two LSE
> > ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the plane
> > out
> > on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop" it
> > with
> > ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply amazing!
> > This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm,
burning
> > 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
> > Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a
> > small
> > 5
> > ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
> > BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
> > Best Regards,
> > Cliff
> > ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
> >
> >
> > Hello listers,
> >
> >
> > I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
> > lightest
> > batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My
electrical
> > requirements will not be very significant so I can get by
> > electricallywith
> > a
> > light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the
> > Weight
> > Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue.
Can
> > someone help here?
> >
> >
> > Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
> > battery
> > is?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Grant
> >
> >
> > MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-upsnow 3 months FREE!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Bruce, let me take a shot at this one then we will hear from Cliff to see
what he is getting.
At density altitude 4,000 feet I was getting a static of 2450 rpm. Cliff
may get a little less because he is at a higher altitude
Vic
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
>
> Cliff, What is your static RPM at full throttle with your engine and prop
> combo. I have a Continental IO-240 engine with a Sensenich wood prop and
can
> only achieve 2200 RPM static at full throttle. I know I could achieve
better
> TO and climb perf with a better prop , engine combo, but at a 1000 bucks a
> pop (or prop) as the case may be it gets a bit expensive to do the R & D.
> Thanks Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> >
> > Good question, perhaps Vic Jacko, the builder of the plane will chime in
> > here.
> > Cliff
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Cliff,
> > >
> > >
> > > I meant to ask about your starter: Do you use a permanent magnet (like
> > skytec) or wound field starter (like BC)?
> > >
> > >
> > > I am installing one + and one - cable from the battery. Each cable
will
> > have slightly less resistance than AWG 2 copper. Is that roughly
> equivalent
> > to your setup?
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:07:16 -0600
> > >
> > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant,
> > > The prop is two blade, wood.
> > > I live in Erie, CO on an airpark (48V) elevation 5100'.
> > > I also use 95 mph IAS as maneuvering speed. If the air gets rough, I
> slow
> > it
> > > down, simple as that. Above 8000' or so, it will indicate 115-120 mph
> for
> > a
> > > TAS of 130. So the slow down is not as bad as you would think. This
> > doesn't
> > > mean you have to slow down this much just for some light chop. I don't
> > slow
> > > down for that at all.
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cliff
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my
> > plane
> > > to be able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in
> Idaho?
> > I
> > > don't remember off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to
> wait
> > to
> > > see what kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two
> or
> > > three blade? I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
> > >
> > >
> > > Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do
> you
> > > deal with that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk to you later,
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:38:14 -0600
> > >
> > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > > shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > >
> > > Grant,
> > > Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled
before
> > > being
> > > installed, so it has the same hours.
> > > I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as
well
> as
> > > the
> > > LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind
> that
> > I
> > > only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm.
It
> > > burns
> > > more down low.
> > >
> > > Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless
> you
> > > operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch
> > would
> > > be
> > > appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their
> phone
> > > number is 410-461-4329.
> > > One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is
> > made
> > > of
> > > ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to
> the
> > > leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the
> middle
> > > of
> > > a repair right now.
> > > Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cliff
> > > PS, where are you located?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore!
I
> > > am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn
out
> > both
> > > mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
> > > theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
> > > batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been wondering about the performance figures and am
pleasantly
> > > surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
> > > increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have
already
> > > purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you
> > > please
> > > send me any info you might have on it?
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant,
> > > This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
> > > (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
> > > This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail
> and
> > > will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
> > > With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
> > > smaller
> > > battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10
lbs
> > > and
> > > have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the
> > > proper
> > > sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah
> > > battery
> > > would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process
and
> > > especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
> > > battery
> > > should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt
> > > some
> > > lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when
> flying
> > > solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
> > >
> > > Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter
> what,
> > > be
> > > sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering
electronic
> > > ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one
magneto
> .
> > > Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
> > > http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two
LSE
> > > ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the
plane
> > > out
> > > on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop"
it
> > > with
> > > ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply
amazing!
> > > This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm,
> burning
> > > 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
> > > Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a
> > > small
> > > 5
> > > ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
> > > BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cliff
> > > ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello listers,
> > >
> > >
> > > I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
> > > lightest
> > > batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My
> electrical
> > > requirements will not be very significant so I can get by
> > > electricallywith
> > > a
> > > light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the
> > > Weight
> > > Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue.
> Can
> > > someone help here?
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
> > > battery
> > > is?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > > MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-upsnow 3 months
FREE!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Robert Toth <rtoth1@verizon.net>
I believe you leave them on, just cover over them. rtoth1@verizon.net
Chuck & Deanna Schieffer wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer" <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
>
> I just purchased the speed fairings for the wing struts from Kitfox for my Model
4-1200. There are some ridges on the outside of the fairings. Directions
don't say whether to leave them on or sand them off. The ridges look like they
were purposly part of the molding process. Does anyone know if they should
be left on, (turbulent airflow), or sanded off, (laminar airflow).
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Bruce,
Depends upon conditions, but normally 2400-2475 rpm static up here in
Colorado. Never tried it at sea level.
I spoke with Aymar Demuth a few weeks ago and if I remember correctly I
think he said that changing the pitch on this prop by 2 inches would change
the rpms by 100. He also said that no two of their props will perform
exactly alike, even if the specs are the same. I certainly would believe
this. Consider that the theoretical speed of a plane with a 47" pitch prop
turning 2600 rpm is 115.7 mph, with NO slippage and no airframe drag! Our
plane easily outperforms that, so it must really have considerably more than
47" of pitch. Also note that increasing the pitch 2" increases the
theoretical max speed by 5 mph. Of course we know that as speed increases,
so does drag, so I really don't have a clue how to figure out the right
pitch for a prop.
Our plane cruises 130 mph at 2600 rpm (up high) and that's with lots of
throttle left. It can still easily be overspeeded to about 2900 rpm. If I
had my druthers, I would have a cruise prop with more pitch than I have,
maybe even 70" diameter instead of 72 to allow even more pitch for speed.
Then I would have a 76" climb prop with very fine pitch for bush work. The
guy at Aymar Demuth doesn't like longer props for better climb, he says that
it just adds drag and doesn't increase climb. Well it may not increase climb
RATE, but I believe it would increase climb ANGLE and the extra drag would
allow steeper approaches. That is probably one of the main benefits of the
Borer prop that the supercub flyers use.
Bruce, if you do most of your short field work down low, our prop would
perform admirably just the way it is. Solo, lightly loaded, I can probably
get off the ground in 150-175' at sea level on anything other than a hot
summer afternoon. Climb would be about 1300-1400 fpm, BUT, for obstacle
clearance the climb angle at 55 mph is shockingly steep. I often operate out
of a small 600' strip up here at 5400'. Even with two big guys on board I
have no problem getting in or out with room to spare (on a cool spring day).
Bruce, what is the diameter and pitch of your prop? How fast can you go and
what is your climb rate? What's your planes empty weight?
Best Regards,
Cliff
>
> Cliff, What is your static RPM at full throttle with your engine and prop
> combo. I have a Continental IO-240 engine with a Sensenich wood prop and
can
> only achieve 2200 RPM static at full throttle. I know I could achieve
better
> TO and climb perf with a better prop , engine combo, but at a 1000 bucks a
> pop (or prop) as the case may be it gets a bit expensive to do the R & D.
> Thanks Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
> >
> >
> > Good question, perhaps Vic Jacko, the builder of the plane will chime in
> > here.
> > Cliff
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Cliff,
> > >
> > >
> > > I meant to ask about your starter: Do you use a permanent magnet (like
> > skytec) or wound field starter (like BC)?
> > >
> > >
> > > I am installing one + and one - cable from the battery. Each cable
will
> > have slightly less resistance than AWG 2 copper. Is that roughly
> equivalent
> > to your setup?
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:07:16 -0600
> > >
> > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant,
> > > The prop is two blade, wood.
> > > I live in Erie, CO on an airpark (48V) elevation 5100'.
> > > I also use 95 mph IAS as maneuvering speed. If the air gets rough, I
> slow
> > it
> > > down, simple as that. Above 8000' or so, it will indicate 115-120 mph
> for
> > a
> > > TAS of 130. So the slow down is not as bad as you would think. This
> > doesn't
> > > mean you have to slow down this much just for some light chop. I don't
> > slow
> > > down for that at all.
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cliff
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks again Cliff! I am located in San Luis Obispo, CA but want my
> > plane
> > > to be able to operate out of high elevation strips. Do you live in
> Idaho?
> > I
> > > don't remember off hand what the pitch onmy prop is - I will have to
> wait
> > to
> > > see what kind of performance I get out of it.Is yours a wood prop? Two
> or
> > > three blade? I'm guessing it is 2 bladed wood but want to make sure.
> > >
> > >
> > > Skystar says the maneuvering speed of the model 5 is ~95 mph. How do
> you
> > > deal with that knowing you cruise at 130 mph?
> > >
> > >
> > > Talk to you later,
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Clifford Begnaud" shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> > > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:38:14 -0600
> > >
> > > -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
> > > shoeless@barefootpilot.com
> > >
> > > Grant,
> > > Our plane has about 300 hours TT and the engine was overhauled
before
> > > being
> > > installed, so it has the same hours.
> > > I think that the Ellison does contribute to the low fuel burn as
well
> as
> > > the
> > > LSE ignition. But I have never compared it to a carb. Keep in mind
> that
> > I
> > > only get 5.25 gph fuel burn above 7500' when cruising at 2600 rpm.
It
> > > burns
> > > more down low.
> > >
> > > Our prop is an Aymar Demuth, 72X47. I like it very much, but unless
> you
> > > operate out of short, high elevation airstrips, a little more pitch
> > would
> > > be
> > > appropriate. They don't have a web site that I know of, but their
> phone
> > > number is 410-461-4329.
> > > One nice thing that they do is on the leading edge protection, it is
> > made
> > > of
> > > ground steel mixed into some kind of epoxy or plastic and applied to
> the
> > > leading edge. It's very tough, but not indestructible. I'm in the
> middle
> > > of
> > > a repair right now.
> > > Be sure to put a big fat cable on that battery!
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cliff
> > > PS, where are you located?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank You for the awesome post, Cliff! You answered my questionmore!
I
> > > am using the airfoiled tail sectionsone LSE ignition until I burn
out
> > both
> > > mags when I will probably switch to two LSEs. I haven't checked out
> > > theEllison TB link yet but will be soon. I havechecked out the
> > > batterylinkand will be looking into using the 12 lb, 14 A-H battery.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been wondering about the performance figures and am
pleasantly
> > > surprised by yours. How many hours does your plane have? Does the TB
> > > increase fuel efficiency over the carburetor? Although I have
already
> > > purchased a wood Sensenich prop, I am curious about yours. Could you
> > > please
> > > send me any info you might have on it?
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant,
> > > This is the battery in our kitfox with Lycoming 0-235.
> > > (http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=ODY-PC680)
> > > This battery is nothing short of amazing. It is mounted in the tail
> and
> > > will crank the engine tirelessly, not that it really needs to. ;-)
> > > With a light electrical load you may indeed be able to get by with a
> > > smaller
> > > battery. Batteries Plus has some AGM batteries that are about 9-10
lbs
> > > and
> > > have 12 ah capacity. The key to good cranking power is to have the
> > > proper
> > > sized cable run back there to the battery. If you do, then a 12 ah
> > > battery
> > > would probably work. Also, if you are using the poly fiber process
and
> > > especially if you have the airfoiled tail surfaces, then the lighter
> > > battery
> > > should work fine for the CG. Worst case would be that you could bolt
> > > some
> > > lead to the towing mount hole near the aft end of the plane when
> flying
> > > solo. For any other loads, just pull it off.
> > >
> > > Also, if you want to assure that your engine will start, no matter
> what,
> > > be
> > > sure to use a primer and install one Lightspeed Engineering
electronic
> > > ignition, http://www.lightspeedengineering.com, along with one
magneto
> .
> > > Better yet, use an Ellison throttle body carb with the LSE,
> > > http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/. On our kitfox, we have two
LSE
> > > ignitions (no mags, hurray) and an Ellison carb. We can park the
plane
> > > out
> > > on a cold night (20 deg F) and the next morning we can "hand prop"
it
> > > with
> > > ONE flip of the prop. And that is with NO preheating!! Simply
amazing!
> > > This combination gives us a cruise speed of 130 mph at 2600 rpm,
> burning
> > > 5.25 gph. (we could go faster with a cruise prop)
> > > Please note that if you use two LSE ignitions, you should install a
> > > small
> > > 5
> > > ah AGM battery as a backup, we did and this combination works great.
> > > BTW, the prop is an Aymar Demuth.
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cliff
> > > ps, Let me know if you want more info on this setup
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello listers,
> > >
> > >
> > > I am building a series 5 TD w/O-235 and would like to put in the
> > > lightest
> > > batterypossible in the tail without having to add balast. My
> electrical
> > > requirements will not be very significant so I can get by
> > > electricallywith
> > > a
> > > light battery (11 AH min). I've been told that I cannot figure the
> > > Weight
> > > Balance before I cover so I don't know how to deal with this issue.
> Can
> > > someone help here?
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone here with the same configuration tell me how small your
> > > battery
> > > is?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Grant
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Wing Strut fairings @ M4 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Chuck,
Your choice really.. I choose to remove them.. They are from the molding.
If you remove them be careful to only sand the ridges. The PVC between the
ridges is not as thick and you can sand through it pretty quick.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chuck & Deanna
Schieffer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Strut fairings @ M4
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer"
<cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
I just purchased the speed fairings for the wing struts from Kitfox for my
Model 4-1200. There are some ridges on the outside of the fairings.
Directions don't say whether to leave them on or sand them off. The ridges
look like they were purposly part of the molding process. Does anyone know
if they should be left on, (turbulent airflow), or sanded off, (laminar
airflow).
Thanks,
Chuck
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| Subject: | Another Fox Flies |
pts rule name description
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
I passed the inspection today and flew N66180 (" Nothin Fancy") today .
Its been a long haul, I'm slow, but Don't Ever Give Up!!!. The kit
was delivered July 2nd 96 At that time I didn't even have my license.
I got it a year and a half later after I retired. I have lost my medical
twice, gone non current, just finished twenty hours tail dragger
training, and passed a BFR. From the days of a tow headed kid in 1945
standing in a barn yard watching those war birds we love to go see today
at air show, go over for real. Wondering what it would be like to be
able to fly an airplane. Today I know what it's like to be able to
build and fly an airplane. Its a great country we live in. I don't
know the rate of climb, I forgot to check. My ground persons radio went
on the fritz shortly after take off and he was going to question me for
the important stuff. The ASI didn't work, and it took me three tries to
land, but the training I had in the Champ paid off. I could feel it.
Thanks to those of you who have shared in this with your thoughts and
ideas that I have use over the years. To the ones who are still on the
list, now, in the past, and to those who have gone on.
We leave tomorrow for upstate NY to go to one of our Granddaughter's
graduation from high school. I couldn't wait a week now could I?.
Later Norm. San Angelo Tx.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut fairings @ M4 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
This was my choice also. I used a belt sander then filled the scratches
with spot putty or something - it's been a while. My feeling was that the
ridges were from the molding process as the ridges are exactly opposite the
internal ridges used to center the fairing over the struts. I also used a
sanding primer and final finish was Aerothane. The stuff is pretty tough
and the adhesion is excellent.
Lowell
---- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wing Strut fairings @ M4
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Chuck,
> Your choice really.. I choose to remove them.. They are from the
molding.
> If you remove them be careful to only sand the ridges. The PVC between
the
> ridges is not as thick and you can sand through it pretty quick.
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chuck & Deanna
> Schieffer
> To: Kitfox list
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Strut fairings @ M4
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Deanna Schieffer"
> <cdschieffer@starnetdial.net>
>
> I just purchased the speed fairings for the wing struts from Kitfox for my
> Model 4-1200. There are some ridges on the outside of the fairings.
> Directions don't say whether to leave them on or sand them off. The
ridges
> look like they were purposly part of the molding process. Does anyone
know
> if they should be left on, (turbulent airflow), or sanded off, (laminar
> airflow).
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Fox Flies pts rule name |
description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:55:24 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Congratulations Norm we got more incommon than you know. Hope you enjoy the flying
time.
----- Original Message -----
From: Norm Beauchamp<mailto:nebchmp@wcc.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:26 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net<mailto:nebchmp@wcc.net>>
I passed the inspection today and flew N66180 (" Nothin Fancy") today
Its been a long haul, I'm slow, but Don't Ever Give Up!!!. The kit
was delivered July 2nd 96 At that time I didn't even have my license.
I got it a year and a half later after I retired. I have lost my medical
twice, gone non current, just finished twenty hours tail dragger
training, and passed a BFR. From the days of a tow headed kid in 1945
standing in a barn yard watching those war birds we love to go see today
at air show, go over for real. Wondering what it would be like to be
able to fly an airplane. Today I know what it's like to be able to
build and fly an airplane. Its a great country we live in. I don't
know the rate of climb, I forgot to check. My ground persons radio went
on the fritz shortly after take off and he was going to question me for
the important stuff. The ASI didn't work, and it took me three tries to
land, but the training I had in the Champ paid off. I could feel it.
Thanks to those of you who have shared in this with your thoughts and
ideas that I have use over the years. To the ones who are still on the
list, now, in the past, and to those who have gone on.
We leave tomorrow for upstate NY to go to one of our Granddaughter's
graduation from high school. I couldn't wait a week now could I?.
Later Norm. San Angelo Tx.
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Balance 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 6/20/2004 10:15:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
daller1@zoominternet.net writes:
I have a Classic IV with the dual friction throttle and no idle stops on a
912S engine. Does anybody know how to balance the carbs with this setup so I
can stop bending my carb throttle valve levers when I pull it back to idle.
Thank you in advance for any information.
Dan Aller
I have the same setup on my Classic IV with the 912UL. I have been happy
with my carb balance using a feeler gauge at the carb throttle stop at the full
throttle position. It is possible to bend components by pulling too hard
toward the closed throttle position. My solution for this was to remove the
throttle springs from the carbs as this will let you feel when you have reached
the
closed throttle position before bending anything. I also like the fact that
throttle operation feels similar to my recollection of the Cessna aircraft I
have flown in the past.
I also installed the carbs so that the throttle lever is on the outboard side
where it is easy to make adjustments.
This is what I arrived at through trial and testing and may or may not be of
any value for your situation or preferences.
Bill Willyard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Great story Norm and Congradgulations!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Cargo Pod Questions |
pts rule name description
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
I was wondering if anyone has purchased that nice looking
aerodynamic Cargo Pod from SS.....and if so, what are the
dimensions.
Any problems? They mention that it is a "kit", how much of
assembly does it need?
Thanks, Jeff Smathers Molalla, OR.....thinking of flying to OSH....
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| Subject: | Trade a new Bose Headset for a Garmin 196? |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi all,
Ok, here's the deal.....my wife Tina has a brand new Bose X headset
for G/A (airplanes) and wants to trade them for a better GPS.
I have an old 95XL and need a Garmin 196.
Since they sell for about the same I'd be willing to swap straight across
for a nearly new 196.
I'll show you mine if you show me yours ! :-) (photos)
Jeff Smathers Kitfox 5 with 65hours TT...still thinking about OSH...
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