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1. 12:30 AM - Re Kitfox w/ 582 (Rex & Jan Shaw)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Props; was: O-235 Battery (W Duke)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: Props; was: O-235 Battery (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: Spinners (Kerry Skyring)
5. 11:30 AM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (Marco Menezes)
6. 12:52 PM - Re: Props; was: O-235 Battery (Bruce Lina)
7. 12:54 PM - fuselage upgrade to Kitfox I,II and III (Mark Schindler)
8. 01:41 PM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (Fox5flyer)
9. 02:42 PM - Re: Props; was: O-235 Battery (W Duke)
10. 04:21 PM - KitPlanes Magazine Article (Scott McClintock)
11. 04:48 PM - Re: KitPlanes Magazine Article (Don Pearsall)
12. 05:23 PM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
13. 05:26 PM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
14. 07:21 PM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (Marc Arseneault)
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| Subject: | Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Marco, I have a MKIV with 582. I have two wing tanks and a header tank
behind the seat. Yes basically you must vent the header tank to one wing
tank. If you don't you are liable to get fuel flow problems. This is
important I promise you.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I never measured mine. It may be 72" also. I just took the designation at face
value. I will check next time at the airport. I agree with you on the performance
issues. Another problem with this type of experiment is that the spinner
may have to be adjusted.
Maxwell
Bruce Lina <airlina@usadatanet.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina"
Maxwell, My prop came from Sensenich at the 72" length. Even though the prop
designation is 74 '' , it came in a 72 inch length. I think we could do a
whole lot better in the TO and climb department with the 2450 RPM that Cliff
gets with his O-235/ prop combo. I do not think that those of us with the
IO-240/ Sensenich prop combo are utilizing our engines power to its full
advantage. Next question is , who is going to spend the 1000 bucks to test
my theory? Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke"
Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
>
> Bruce/Cliff
> I have similar static RPM and performance with Bruce. I have an IO240
and same prop except for Bruce's being cut down. Did you have Sensenich cut
it for you? I just ordered the prop without any special requests.
>
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Talked to Sensenich, and they said the prop near the hub area would be the
same since they are made on a cnc machine, just the shape of the blade from
there on out would change slightly different to accomodate the different
pitch. So we would not need to make a new spinner.
They wanted the following specs to punch into their computer for designing
new prop. Max airspeed, rpm's, altitude, temp. Which they would use for
calculating the specs.
Cost was about $1K, delivery time estimated 6 wk.s.
Jeff Hays
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From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I never measured mine. It may be 72" also. I just took the designation at
face value. I will check next time at the airport. I agree with you on
the performance issues. Another problem with this type of experiment is
that the spinner may have to be adjusted.
Maxwell
Bruce Lina <airlina@usadatanet.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina"
Maxwell, My prop came from Sensenich at the 72" length. Even though the prop
designation is 74 '' , it came in a 72 inch length. I think we could do a
whole lot better in the TO and climb department with the 2450 RPM that Cliff
gets with his O-235/ prop combo. I do not think that those of us with the
IO-240/ Sensenich prop combo are utilizing our engines power to its full
advantage. Next question is , who is going to spend the 1000 bucks to test
my theory? Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "W Duke"
Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
>
> Bruce/Cliff
> I have similar static RPM and performance with Bruce. I have an IO240
and same prop except for Bruce's being cut down. Did you have Sensenich cut
it for you? I just ordered the prop without any special requests.
>
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Can anyone point us to a manufacturer of an 8" aluminium spinner - with
backing plate and hardware
- for our Mk5 with smooth cowl and 912S? There are plenty of larger
aluminium spinners and an 8 inch fibreglass spinner in the AC Spruce
catalogue - but we were keen to have a polished aluminium.
Anything much bigger than 8 inch just doesn't seem to fit the smooth cowl.
We have a locally made
2 blade wooden prop. Getting closer to flight. This year seems possible.
Kerry
Vienna
Austria
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Thanks Rex. How, precisely is your header vent plumbed into the r wing tank? From
other responses it seems there is supposed to be a barbed fitting near top
of the take at wing root. Mine doesn't have this, probably because rear header
was not original equipment on Mod 2. So long as the header tank is vented at
some point at or above the highest point on wing tank, does it really matter that
the vent doesn't plumb back into at wing tank? It's been suggested that I
use a sealable vent valve on header, open it at pre-flight to get fuel flowing
then seal it and header will vent through wing tank vent. If it works, this sems
like a reasonable solution short of boring and tapping a hole in wing tank.
Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex
& Jan Shaw"
Marco, I have a MKIV with 582. I have two wing tanks and a header tank
behind the seat. Yes basically you must vent the header tank to one wing
tank. If you don't you are liable to get fuel flow problems. This is
important I promise you.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
All you guys with the IO-240 here is something to watch out for. I was
helping a guy yesterday set up his fuel injection system on his factory
built Series 5 ( he bought one of SS demo airplanes in 1998 ) and he told me
that he had recently found a crack that was seeping fuel in the main fuel
inlet aluminum 45 degree elbow where it enters the engine driven fuel pump
( just downstream of your Earl's fuel filter. I suggest you keep a close eye
on this fitting and find a way to secure the fuel line to keep vibration to
a minimum. If it breaks inflight bad things will happen! Bruce -----
Original Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Talked to Sensenich, and they said the prop near the hub area would be the
> same since they are made on a cnc machine, just the shape of the blade
from
> there on out would change slightly different to accomodate the different
> pitch. So we would not need to make a new spinner.
>
> They wanted the following specs to punch into their computer for designing
> new prop. Max airspeed, rpm's, altitude, temp. Which they would use for
> calculating the specs.
>
> Cost was about $1K, delivery time estimated 6 wk.s.
>
> Jeff Hays
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
>
> I never measured mine. It may be 72" also. I just took the designation
at
> face value. I will check next time at the airport. I agree with you on
> the performance issues. Another problem with this type of experiment is
> that the spinner may have to be adjusted.
>
> Maxwell
>
> Bruce Lina <airlina@usadatanet.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina"
>
> Maxwell, My prop came from Sensenich at the 72" length. Even though the
prop
> designation is 74 '' , it came in a 72 inch length. I think we could do a
> whole lot better in the TO and climb department with the 2450 RPM that
Cliff
> gets with his O-235/ prop combo. I do not think that those of us with the
> IO-240/ Sensenich prop combo are utilizing our engines power to its full
> advantage. Next question is , who is going to spend the 1000 bucks to test
> my theory? Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W Duke"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
> >
> > Bruce/Cliff
> > I have similar static RPM and performance with Bruce. I have an IO240
> and same prop except for Bruce's being cut down. Did you have Sensenich
cut
> it for you? I just ordered the prop without any special requests.
> >
> >
> > Maxwell Duke
> > S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | fuselage upgrade to Kitfox I,II and III |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
This is a very active list.
I'm upgrading fuselage on my Avid Flyer MK-IV to a new Avid Plus.
Steve Winder of Airdale Aircraft ukav8r@mindspring.com makes those available. They
do work on Avid and would work on Kitfox I, II and III.
You wouldn't believe the difference you can check mine out at www.avidflyeraircraft.com then click on AVID PLUS link on the left.
Elbow to elbow room is more than C-172, all controls are under the seat, has individually
adjustable seats, overall is 18" longer, has on ballanced rudder, etc.
I'm very happy with what I'm getting - Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Marco, a simple method to vent your header is to fabricate .25"X1" square
piece of aluminum to use as a barb fitting mount. Drill and tap a 1/8" pipe
thread hole through the center of it then using ProSeal glue it to the
inboard high point of the right side fuel tank. Ensure the surface is
thoroughly scotch brighted before glueing. When the ProSeal is set up then
take a 1/8" drill bit and bore through the tank. This gives you a good
surface to screw in a 1/8" barb fitting. Then it's just a simple matter to
run a piece of tygon from the header tank to the fitting you installed on
the tank. Worked for me on my Model II with wing tanks (which now residing
in New Mexico as I understand).
Another method is to use a bulkhead fitting instead, but it's rather
difficult to get the nut onto in through the filler hole in the tank. Can
be done though.
Good luck,
Darrel
> Thanks Rex. How, precisely is your header vent plumbed into the r wing
tank? From other responses it seems there is supposed to be a barbed fitting
near top of the take at wing root. Mine doesn't have this, probably because
rear header was not original equipment on Mod 2. So long as the header tank
is vented at some point at or above the highest point on wing tank, does it
really matter that the vent doesn't plumb back into at wing tank? It's been
suggested that I use a sealable vent valve on header, open it at pre-flight
to get fuel flowing then seal it and header will vent through wing tank
vent. If it works, this sems like a reasonable solution short of boring and
tapping a hole in wing tank.
>
> Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted
by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
>
> Marco, I have a MKIV with 582. I have two wing tanks and a header tank
> behind the seat. Yes basically you must vent the header tank to one wing
> tank. If you don't you are liable to get fuel flow problems. This is
> important I promise you.
>
> Rex.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
I will check it.
Thanks,
Maxwell
Bruce Lina <airlina@usadatanet.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina"
All you guys with the IO-240 here is something to watch out for. I was
helping a guy yesterday set up his fuel injection system on his factory
built Series 5 ( he bought one of SS demo airplanes in 1998 ) and he told me
that he had recently found a crack that was seeping fuel in the main fuel
inlet aluminum 45 degree elbow where it enters the engine driven fuel pump
( just downstream of your Earl's fuel filter. I suggest you keep a close eye
on this fitting and find a way to secure the fuel line to keep vibration to
a minimum. If it breaks inflight bad things will happen! Bruce -----
Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
>
>
> Talked to Sensenich, and they said the prop near the hub area would be the
> same since they are made on a cnc machine, just the shape of the blade
from
> there on out would change slightly different to accomodate the different
> pitch. So we would not need to make a new spinner.
>
> They wanted the following specs to punch into their computer for designing
> new prop. Max airspeed, rpm's, altitude, temp. Which they would use for
> calculating the specs.
>
> Cost was about $1K, delivery time estimated 6 wk.s.
>
> Jeff Hays
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: W Duke n981ms@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
>
> I never measured mine. It may be 72" also. I just took the designation
at
> face value. I will check next time at the airport. I agree with you on
> the performance issues. Another problem with this type of experiment is
> that the spinner may have to be adjusted.
>
> Maxwell
>
> Bruce Lina wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina"
>
> Maxwell, My prop came from Sensenich at the 72" length. Even though the
prop
> designation is 74 '' , it came in a 72 inch length. I think we could do a
> whole lot better in the TO and climb department with the 2450 RPM that
Cliff
> gets with his O-235/ prop combo. I do not think that those of us with the
> IO-240/ Sensenich prop combo are utilizing our engines power to its full
> advantage. Next question is , who is going to spend the 1000 bucks to test
> my theory? Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W Duke"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Props; was: Kitfox-List: O-235 Battery
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke
> >
> > Bruce/Cliff
> > I have similar static RPM and performance with Bruce. I have an IO240
> and same prop except for Bruce's being cut down. Did you have Sensenich
cut
> it for you? I just ordered the prop without any special requests.
> >
> >
> > Maxwell Duke
> > S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | KitPlanes Magazine Article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Hey Guys,
Remember a couple of weeks ago when were were being asked about
financing our planes for an article?
Anyway, as my experience with financing the "Arctic Fox" was a little
unusual, I gave this gal my story.
Well, it turns out that they liked my story so much they are going to
print it as a sidebar. (With a picture of my handsome self to boot)
So be looking for it in Sept. or Oct. issue of KitPlanes.
Scott in Nome
P.S. Grove is sending me my "restored to new" spring gear next week. I
already beefed up my tailwheel mounts with some larger bolts and the VGs
will go on when the gear gets back. Fred is selling me his S6 flapperons
and they will begin their journey here soon as I send him a check.
If anybody is considering new landing gear, I highly recommend Grove.
They have been doing me very right, even though I am not the original
buyer of the gear. Fixin' for free and they call me back when I call to
check progress.
Grove Aircraft LGS, Inc., El Cajon, CA. They have a great web site.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | KitPlanes Magazine Article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Way to go Scott! I will be looking for the article and the photo of your
handsome self. When that Kitplanes hits the stands, be sure and remind us
that you are in it.
Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/24/04 11:32:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
msm_9949@yahoo.com writes:
> sealable vent valve on header, open it at pre-flight to get fuel flowing
> then seal it and header will vent through wing tank vent. If it works, this
> sems like a reasonable solution short of boring and tapping a hole in wing tank.
>
>
I'm going to go out on a limb a here. First off, there is most likely
"NO" boss fabricated on the inside of the wing tank to support drilling and
tapping a vent fitting. That fiberglass is real thin and won't support pipe
threads. If you go with drilling and tapping, you will need to fabricate a 1/4"
boss on the outside of the tank to support the tapping.
On the other hand, it has been reported that early Avid headers did not
have a vent to the wing tank. If they did, it was vented near the top of the
header and only needed during initial fill of the header. I'm not real sure
about this statement.
If you had a vent for initial fill and pre-flights that only extended to
the top of the seat (for example), this would always insure the header was
full. If you installed 3/8" supply lines, the header will vent through these
lines. It would probably vent OK with 1/4" supply lines but, 3/8" would be
better.
You are in a situation where you are changing the original design. As
usual, this should be done with precaution. I did some testing with fuel flow
and found that the header will vent through the supply lines. However, a
"CONTINUOS" downhill installation of the fuel lines is mandatory.
IMHO
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/24/04 1:42:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
morid@northland.lib.mi.us writes:
> Marco, a simple method to vent your header is to fabricate .25"X1" square
> piece of aluminum to use as a barb fitting mount. Drill and tap a 1/8" pipe
> thread hole through the center of it then using ProSeal glue it to the
>
Yes, the "BOSS"....
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Marco,
Don has given you real good advice on how to install your vent line/fitting. I
hada fuel flow problem a little while back and rectified it by installing a vent
line directly into my panel tank as opposed to having it "T" off with my wing
tank fuel supply line and by installingtwo primer bulbs on my fuel supply lines
from the wings.(One bulb on each wing fuel line.)Two squirts on the primer
bulb and the fuel flows really good. I have a friend who did the same thing
and he has since put over 300 hours on his plane without any fuel flow problem.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
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