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1. 12:53 AM - SV: KitPlanes Magazine Article (Michel Verheughe)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 07:15 AM - Magazine Article (hausding, sid)
4. 07:25 AM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (Marco Menezes)
5. 11:46 AM - Re: Magazine Article (Scott McClintock)
6. 04:13 PM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
7. 04:23 PM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 04:42 PM - Dale Kister (Steve Cooper)
9. 07:24 PM - Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 (Dale Kister)
10. 08:53 PM - Spinner (Joel Mapes)
11. 09:03 PM - Re Kitfox w/ 582 (Dale Kister)
12. 09:42 PM - Spinner (Joel Mapes)
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| Subject: | KitPlanes Magazine Article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Scott McClintock [scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us]
>
> I already beefed up my tailwheel mounts with some larger bolts
Hello Scott. I understand that you damaged your tailwheel in that ground loop.
Could you detail what exactly broke?
Otherwise, I regret I can't purchase KitPlanes here, I'll miss the photo of my
favourite biker! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/24/04 7:22:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
northernultralights@hotmail.com writes:
> Marco,
>
>
> Don has given you real good advice on how to install your vent line/fitting.
> I hada fuel flow problem
Marco,
Thanks. As far as the header venting through the supply lines, I have
clear 3/8" Polyurethane lines installed from my wing tanks to the header. Every
time you do a pre-flight, you can flick the lines with your finger and see
air bubbles rise from the header to the wing tanks. The gas will sit in the
header overnight and "gas off" leaving air bubbles. I see these bubbles more in
the main 3/8" lines than I do in the 1/4" vent. Again, the main secret is to
have the fuel lines running continuously uphill. Where the lines bend to
enter the wing tank, you can see the bubbles stop if that section of line is
allowed to be parallel (keep them going uphill).
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Magazine Article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Mike, I'm sure Scott will copy or buy thousands of magazines and flood the
forum and listers with autographed copies and pictures. He probably is
already making his mailing list to cover the world with his mug and info...
.... your address will be on it, I'm sure. :-)
Sid
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Scott McClintock [scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us]
>
> I already beefed up my tailwheel mounts with some larger bolts
Hello Scott. I understand that you damaged your tailwheel in that ground
loop. Could you detail what exactly broke?
Otherwise, I regret I can't purchase KitPlanes here, I'll miss the photo of
my favourite biker! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Thanks Don. Tthere appears to be several ways to skin this cat. To summarize my
understanding, the header will likely vent adequately, as is, through 3/8 fuel
lines provided they run continuously "uphill" from Header to wing tank. OR,
I can install a 1/8 pipe barbed fitting at inboard high point on right wing tank
to plumb tygon vent line from header (per Darrel's instructions) OR I can install
a vent valve at header, open preflight to get fuel flowing then close for
flight. Thanks to all who responded.
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/24/04 7:22:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
northernultralights@hotmail.com writes:
> Marco,
>
>
> Don has given you real good advice on how to install your vent line/fitting.
> I hada fuel flow problem
Marco,
Thanks. As far as the header venting through the supply lines, I have
clear 3/8" Polyurethane lines installed from my wing tanks to the header. Every
time you do a pre-flight, you can flick the lines with your finger and see
air bubbles rise from the header to the wing tanks. The gas will sit in the
header overnight and "gas off" leaving air bubbles. I see these bubbles more in
the main 3/8" lines than I do in the 1/4" vent. Again, the main secret is to
have the fuel lines running continuously uphill. Where the lines bend to
enter the wing tank, you can see the bubbles stop if that section of line is
allowed to be parallel (keep them going uphill).
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Magazine Article |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Oh Cum'mon you guys.
Don't you know that I am now a 51% stockholder, have full management authority
and am expanding the circulation to worldwide?
You guys with a subscription are all S.O.L. as I am canceling all domestic
subscriptions to those over 40. We at KitPlane Magazine are going to put a
younger, more energetic spin to our (my) publication. We will have (and invite
those with the hair) a special section on "Extreme X-Flying". Our one-time
offering of T-shirts will read "Watch This!"
In the spirit of a more youthful image, I'm going for the hair implants and
will "sh_t-can" the Ol' Lady for one of the Hilton twins, Naw, BOTH of the
Hilton twins. :-) This will give "EXPERIMENTAL" a whole new meaning to me.
(Michel, as a reward to you, I'm hiring the Olson Twins (Norwegian descent) to
provide you with some Lap Dancing (as in Laplanders)
No need to thank me, just keep buying my magazine.
Scott in Nome
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"hausding, sid" wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
>
> Mike, I'm sure Scott will copy or buy thousands of magazines and flood the
> forum and listers with autographed copies and pictures. He probably is
> already making his mailing list to cover the world with his mug and info...
> .... your address will be on it, I'm sure. :-)
>
> Sid
> ------------------
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Scott McClintock [scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us]
> >
> > I already beefed up my tailwheel mounts with some larger bolts
>
> Hello Scott. I understand that you damaged your tailwheel in that ground
> loop. Could you detail what exactly broke?
>
> Otherwise, I regret I can't purchase KitPlanes here, I'll miss the photo of
> my favourite biker! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Thanks Don. Tthere appears to be several ways to skin this cat. To
> summarize my understanding, the header will likely vent adequately, as is, through
> 3/8 fuel lines provided they run continuously "uphill" from Header to wing
> tank. OR, I can install a 1/8 pipe barbed fitting at inboard high point on right
> wing tank to plumb tygon vent line from header (per Darrel's instructions) OR
> I can install a vent valve at header, open preflight to get fuel flowing
> then close for flight. Thanks to all who responded.
>
I believe that about summarizes it all. To put a barbed fitting into the
tank will require some fabrication of "bosses" to give you the necessary
thread engagement.
Since this is an important modification, I have to consider what I would
do if I were going to fly the plane with my children???????? I would install
a short vent just so I would feel comfortable that the header was full of fuel
at take off. However, I feel confident that the header would vent itself
through the normal supply lines. I like the 3/8's because the bigger the supply
line the better the flow of fuel and vent capability through a common line.
Again, I'd (as a minimum) install a short vent for pre-flight purposes and
initial fuel fill (easy, cheap, can't hurt). I'd also use clear 3/8" clear
Polyurethane lines for supply. It gives me a warm feeling being able to "see"
the
transfer of fuel going down and the air going up.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/25/04 4:14:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
AlbertaIV@aol.com writes:
>
> I believe that about summarizes it all. To put a barbed fitting into
> the
> tank will require some fabrication of "bosses" to give you the necessary
> thread engagement.
>
Like I said, this is an important subject so if anyone out there thinks I'm
off my rocker, please jump in.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Dale, would you mind contacting me?
Steve Cooper
Re: Your Avid
(661) 256-0140 (eves)
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| Subject: | Re: Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dale Kister <2@dalekister.com>
Just as a point of reference, I have been operating my model
3 Kitfox for 160 hours with no in flight vent line on the
header tank. I plumbed it this way because it allows the
fuel pump to transfer low pressure (suck fuel) all the way
from the wing tank. If you vent the header tank, no such
suction is available to enhance fuel flow. I do have a vent
valve at the top of the header tank which I can use to get
rid of any entrapped air from the header tank during
preflight. The vent is a manually operated valve and is
plumbed with a hose to conduct any fuel overflow overboard
while the vent valve is open. So far in my hours of
operation, the header has always stayed fully filled with
fuel. I have watched air passing up through the fill tubes
and fuel flowing down while in flight. It has been
unnecessary to manually vent air out through vent valve
during preflight because the tank stays full of fuel.
Hope I haven't just confused the issue with my explanation,
but it has always worked on my Kitfox. By the way, My Avid
flyer, model 4, is factory designed and plumbed the same
way that I plumbed the Kitfox, and has given no fuel flow
problems in 60 hours.
Dale
Quoting AlbertaIV@aol.com:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/25/04 4:14:28 PM Pacific Daylight
> Time,
> AlbertaIV@aol.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > I believe that about summarizes it all. To put a
> barbed fitting into
> > the
> > tank will require some fabrication of "bosses" to give
> you the necessary
> > thread engagement.
> >
>
> Like I said, this is an important subject so if anyone
> out there thinks I'm
> off my rocker, please jump in.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes@roxio.com>
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| Subject: | Re Kitfox w/ 582 |
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dale Kister <2@dalekister.com>
Just as a point of reference, I have been operating my model
3 Kitfox for 160 hours with no in flight vent line on the
header tank. I plumbed it this way because it allows the
fuel pump to transfer low pressure (suck fuel) all the way
from the wing tank. If you vent the header tank, no such
suction is available to enhance fuel flow. I do have a vent
valve at the top of the header tank which I can use to get
rid of any entrapped air from the header tank during
preflight. The vent is a manually operated valve and is
plumbed with a hose to conduct any fuel overflow overboard
while the vent valve is open. So far in my hours of
operation, the header has always stayed fully filled with
fuel. I have watched air passing up through the fill tubes
and fuel flowing down while in flight. It has been
unnecessary to manually vent air out through vent valve
during preflight because the tank stays full of fuel.
Hope I haven't just confused the issue with my explanation,
but it has always worked on my Kitfox. By the way, My Avid
flyer, model 4, is factory designed and plumbed the same
way that I plumbed the Kitfox, and has given no fuel flow
problems in 60 hours.
Dale
Quoting AlbertaIV@aol.com:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> > Thanks Don. Tthere appears to be several ways to skin
> this cat. To
> > summarize my understanding, the header will likely vent
> adequately, as is, through
> > 3/8 fuel lines provided they run continuously "uphill"
> from Header to wing
> > tank. OR, I can install a 1/8 pipe barbed fitting at
> inboard high point on right
> > wing tank to plumb tygon vent line from header (per
> Darrel's instructions) OR
> > I can install a vent valve at header, open preflight to
> get fuel flowing
> > then close for flight. Thanks to all who responded.
> >
>
> I believe that about summarizes it all. To put a
> barbed fitting into the
> tank will require some fabrication of "bosses" to give
> you the necessary
> thread engagement.
> Since this is an important modification, I have to
> consider what I would
> do if I were going to fly the plane with my
> children???????? I would install
> a short vent just so I would feel comfortable that the
> header was full of fuel
> at take off. However, I feel confident that the header
> would vent itself
> through the normal supply lines. I like the 3/8's
> because the bigger the supply
> line the better the flow of fuel and vent capability
> through a common line.
> Again, I'd (as a minimum) install a short vent for
> pre-flight purposes and
> initial fuel fill (easy, cheap, can't hurt). I'd also
> use clear 3/8" clear
> Polyurethane lines for supply. It gives me a warm
> feeling being able to "see" the
> transfer of fuel going down and the air going up.
>
> Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes@roxio.com>
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