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1. 03:35 AM - Re: High EGT's (582) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: High EGT's (582) (Fox5flyer)
3. 04:21 AM - Jareds EGT's (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
4. 05:05 AM - Re: Jareds EGT's (Fox5flyer)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (Dee Young)
6. 05:22 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (Mark Schindler)
7. 05:50 AM - Re: Jareds EGT's (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 06:40 AM - Re: High EGT's (582) (jareds)
9. 06:52 AM - SV: WarpDrive propeller (Michel Verheughe)
10. 06:59 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (Steve Cooper)
11. 07:06 AM - Re: SV: WarpDrive propeller (Mark Schindler)
12. 07:12 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (Steve Cooper)
13. 07:17 AM - Re: High EGT's (582) (Don)
14. 07:34 AM - Re: High EGT's (582) (Jeff Thomas)
15. 07:36 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (Steve Cooper)
16. 07:38 AM - Re: flat batteries (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
17. 07:43 AM - Re: High EGT's (582) (jareds)
18. 07:50 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net (Aerobatics@aol.com)
19. 08:18 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (jdmcbean)
20. 08:21 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net (Mark Schindler)
21. 08:48 AM - Spinner (Joel Mapes)
22. 08:57 AM - Re: High EGT's (582) (Bruce Harrington)
23. 08:59 AM - Re: Jareds EGT's (Bruce Harrington)
24. 09:19 AM - Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net (Steve Cooper)
25. 09:40 AM - Re: Spinner (jdmcbean)
26. 09:41 AM - Magazine Article (Off Topic) (Scott McClintock)
27. 09:59 AM - Flaperson Adjustment (FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067])
28. 10:31 AM - Re: flat batteries (kurt schrader)
29. 10:34 AM - Re: flat batteries (kurt schrader)
30. 10:56 AM - Re: Flaperson Adjustment (kurt schrader)
31. 11:58 AM - Re: SV: WarpDrive propeller (Marc Arseneault)
32. 12:22 PM - Re: flat batteries (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
33. 12:22 PM - Re: Flaperson Adjustment (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
34. 12:30 PM - Re: Jareds EGT's (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
35. 12:45 PM - Re: High EGT's (582) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
36. 12:51 PM - Re: High EGT's (582) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
37. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Jareds EGT's ()
38. 02:26 PM - WarpDrive Props (Michel) (Scott McClintock)
39. 03:28 PM - Re: Jareds EGT's (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
40. 03:34 PM - Re: WarpDrive Props (Michel) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
41. 04:36 PM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (Bruce Lina)
42. 04:57 PM - Re: WarpDrive Props (Michel) (Steve Cooper)
43. 05:20 PM - Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net (Lowell Fitt)
44. 05:27 PM - Re: Flaperson Adjustment (Lowell Fitt)
45. 06:28 PM - Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net (Steve Cooper)
46. 07:08 PM - Re: High EGT's (582) (Jerry Liles)
47. 07:18 PM - kitfox I info (Randy Bortree)
48. 07:42 PM - Re: Jareds EGT's (Jerry Liles)
49. 07:43 PM - Re: Loss of Engine power! (Ray) (Ceashman@aol.com)
50. 07:55 PM - Re: kitfox I info (jdmcbean)
51. 07:55 PM - Re: WarpDrive propeller (jdmcbean)
52. 10:20 PM - Re: Jareds EGT's (Bruce Harrington)
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/27/04 7:07:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jareds@verizon.net writes:
> Swapped EGT sensors in the exhaust boss today and I am still getting a
> high EGT reading on the front cylinder on a 582 engine with only 60hrs.
> RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
> 5760 1184 1117
> 6180 1155 1097
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Jared
>
Jared,
Numbers don't look too awful bad. What main jet are you running? I use
a couple size sockets to adjust my slide openings. Open the slide to a point
where a small socket will just barley wiggle and slide into the opening (twist
throttle for exact fit). Take the socket to the other carb and adjust for
the same fit. Go to a bigger socket and open the slide to suit. The fit on
both should be the same. Using a couple size sockets is just a double check to
see that you are linear as the slides open more.
You might try moving the needle clip one groove to the richer position on
the front carb.
Check the plug color. You probably won't see any difference with your
present readings.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Jared, I've got a lot of hours behind a 582 and I always got the best
performance and fuel economy by running right at 1200. I don't consider
those high EGTs you're getting. Simple adjustments to the carbs/linkage
should resolve the small difference.
Darrel
> Swapped EGT sensors in the exhaust boss today and I am still getting a
> high EGT reading on the front cylinder on a 582 engine with only 60hrs.
> RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
> 5760 1184 1117
> 6180 1155 1097
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Jared
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Darrel and Jerry,
I read your earlier post saying to adjust the carb linkage to bring the
two EGT's closer together. I don't question your knowledge on the 582 at all
but am having a senior moment and just can't see changing the slide position.
Maybe I'm about to learn something.
The way I see it, adjusting the linkage on one carb with actually throw
the carb sync out. You would be telling one cylinder to try and run faster
than the other. One carb would be sucking more/less air and the relationship of
the mid range jet would be different.
It seems to me that the two carb slides should be set exactly the same
with the linkage and different EGT adjustment would be accomplished with the
needle clips. That way, the air part of the fuel/air mixture is the same and
only the fuel part is changed. Jared indicates that his difference is at the mid
range.
Having said that, please educate me. As I said, it's early in Virginia
and I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Don, I think I said "adjustments to carb/linkage" which means a combination
of both. In otherwords some tweaking which includes jetting. I don't think
his EGTs are off far enough to get too worried over. Perfection is often
like chasing shadows, especially on two strokes. My primary focus would be
on plug readings.
Darrel
> Darrel and Jerry,
> I read your earlier post saying to adjust the carb linkage to bring
the
> two EGT's closer together. I don't question your knowledge on the 582 at
all
> but am having a senior moment and just can't see changing the slide
position.
> Maybe I'm about to learn something.
> The way I see it, adjusting the linkage on one carb with actually
throw
> the carb sync out. You would be telling one cylinder to try and run
faster
> than the other. One carb would be sucking more/less air and the
relationship of
> the mid range jet would be different.
> It seems to me that the two carb slides should be set exactly the same
> with the linkage and different EGT adjustment would be accomplished with
the
> needle clips. That way, the air part of the fuel/air mixture is the same
and
> only the fuel part is changed. Jared indicates that his difference is at
the mid
> range.
> Having said that, please educate me. As I said, it's early in
Virginia
> and I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 05:14:41 -0700
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Hi Steve and Mark, I am going to comment on this sugject. I have a 62 hp KFM which
is the engine the Jabiru was derived. I had a Warp Drive prop and was planning
on installing this prop. Warp drive folks told me that it would not be a
good idea, something about the harmonics that comes from a 4 strokes
Dee Young
Model II N345DY
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Cooper<mailto:spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net<mailto:spdrflyr@earthlink.net>>
And why would that be? Do you have ANY first hand knowledge of Warp on a
Jabiru?
Steve Cooper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schindler" <mtschindler@yahoo.com<mailto:mtschindler@yahoo.com>>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com<mailto:mtschindler@yahoo.com>>
>
> Warp is a nice prop but not on Jabiru engine.
> Just my $.02
> Mark
>
> AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com<mailto:AlbertaIV@aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 6/27/04 2:16:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
michel@online.no<mailto:michel@online.no>
> writes:
>
>
> > too. I see on the Norwegian microlight site that someone is selling a
65"
> > tapered tip WarpDrive prop with Jabiru hub. The price is cheap, about
US$
> > 450.
> > Is it something I should buy? I read on the internet that a lot of
WarpDrive
> > props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
>
> Michel,
> I can't advise on the proper Warp prop that you might need...However, I
> don't recall hearing that Warp prop's lost blades...I think I heard of IVO
> prop's loosing blades. This goes way back to the PROP WAR's we had on the
list.
> Can't remember for sure who was loosing blades???
> I went from the GSC wooden prop to the Warp and picked up a little
> performance. I'm pretty happy with the Warp.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Hope this answers your question:
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
Mark
Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
And why would that be? Do you have ANY first hand knowledge of Warp on a
Jabiru?
Steve Cooper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schindler"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler
>
> Warp is a nice prop but not on Jabiru engine.
> Just my $.02
> Mark
>
> AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/27/04 2:16:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
michel@online.no
> writes:
>
>
> > too. I see on the Norwegian microlight site that someone is selling a
65"
> > tapered tip WarpDrive prop with Jabiru hub. The price is cheap, about
US$
> > 450.
> > Is it something I should buy? I read on the internet that a lot of
WarpDrive
> > props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
>
> Michel,
> I can't advise on the proper Warp prop that you might need...However, I
> don't recall hearing that Warp prop's lost blades...I think I heard of IVO
> prop's loosing blades. This goes way back to the PROP WAR's we had on the
list.
> Can't remember for sure who was loosing blades???
> I went from the GSC wooden prop to the Warp and picked up a little
> performance. I'm pretty happy with the Warp.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don, I think I said "adjustments to carb/linkage" which means a combination
of both. In otherwords some tweaking which includes jetting. I don't think
his EGTs are off far enough to get too worried over. Perfection is often
like chasing shadows, especially on two strokes. My primary focus would be
on plug readings.
Darrel
Thanks, I feel better now (old age) and totally agree with all the above.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Don,
I do that trick EVERY time i adjust ..........and guess where i learned
it from ..............You the master!!! Plug color is perfect but I
have not moved the clips. I have the same main jets as you recomened
for spring flying but off the top of my head i'm getting the numbers
mixed up with the jets in my harley's so i'll have to look them up.
Having read the rest of the posts though, I don't see any other tips.
If i move the clip richer (have to look that one up) but leave the carbs
slides synced I'll hopefully even them out. The reason i worry is
because Lockwood says no more than 40 degrees difference and i'm around
80 sometimes.
I'm also rusty about trying to keep the EGT's under 1200 since i am un
practiced on the procedure for pulling power when landing or in descent?
IF someone can comment on their process or procecdure for landing or
descent that would be great. I"m used to flying bigger planes with that
ole checklist!
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 6/27/04 7:07:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>jareds@verizon.net writes:
>
>
>
>
>>Swapped EGT sensors in the exhaust boss today and I am still getting a
>>high EGT reading on the front cylinder on a 582 engine with only 60hrs.
>>RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
>>5760 1184 1117
>>6180 1155 1097
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>>
>
>Jared,
> Numbers don't look too awful bad. What main jet are you running? I use
>a couple size sockets to adjust my slide openings. Open the slide to a point
>where a small socket will just barley wiggle and slide into the opening (twist
>throttle for exact fit). Take the socket to the other carb and adjust for
>the same fit. Go to a bigger socket and open the slide to suit. The fit on
>both should be the same. Using a couple size sockets is just a double check to
>see that you are linear as the slides open more.
> You might try moving the needle clip one groove to the richer position on
>the front carb.
> Check the plug color. You probably won't see any difference with your
>present readings.
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com]
> Hope this answers your question:
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
Yes Mark, and there is also:
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.htm
Which is why, in my initial email I wrote:
>> I read on the internet that a lot of WarpDrive
>> props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
So ... I don't know what to think: buy that WarpDrive prop or ... use more money
and buy an electrical variable pitch IvoProp. Somehow, I like the idea of variable
pitch. But ... is the IvoProp worth the expense? Any Kitfox with Jabiru
2200 and IvoProp around? What do you think, guys?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
This old (Oct. 2001) article is regarding the (old) prop hub which did have
a problem with cracking. Warp has long since manufactured a new prop hub for
installation on the Jabiru and the Rotax 912. ...anything else?
Steve Cooper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schindler" <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
>
> Hope this answers your question:
>
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
>
> Mark
>
> Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> And why would that be? Do you have ANY first hand knowledge of Warp on a
> Jabiru?
>
> Steve Cooper
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schindler"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler
> >
> > Warp is a nice prop but not on Jabiru engine.
> > Just my $.02
> > Mark
> >
> > AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 6/27/04 2:16:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> michel@online.no
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > > too. I see on the Norwegian microlight site that someone is selling a
> 65"
> > > tapered tip WarpDrive prop with Jabiru hub. The price is cheap, about
> US$
> > > 450.
> > > Is it something I should buy? I read on the internet that a lot of
> WarpDrive
> > > props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Michel,
> > I can't advise on the proper Warp prop that you might need...However, I
> > don't recall hearing that Warp prop's lost blades...I think I heard of
IVO
> > prop's loosing blades. This goes way back to the PROP WAR's we had on
the
> list.
> > Can't remember for sure who was loosing blades???
> > I went from the GSC wooden prop to the Warp and picked up a little
> > performance. I'm pretty happy with the Warp.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Michel
If you are interested in IVO in flight adjustable talk to Chris Bolkan ChrisB@cadwell.com
he has it set up on his Avid. As far as I know he is very happy with
the airplane performance but is saying that prop has little more vibrations
- not as smooth in flight - as others.
I'm going to send you an ivitation to join our Avid group you can read the posts
yourself as well as you can see Chrises Polyswitch setup on his prop.
Mark Schindler
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com]
> Hope this answers your question:
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
Yes Mark, and there is also:
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.htm
Which is why, in my initial email I wrote:
>> I read on the internet that a lot of WarpDrive
>> props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
So ... I don't know what to think: buy that WarpDrive prop or ... use more money
and buy an electrical variable pitch IvoProp. Somehow, I like the idea of variable
pitch. But ... is the IvoProp worth the expense? Any Kitfox with Jabiru
2200 and IvoProp around? What do you think, guys?
Cheers,
Michel
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
OH!!! You got that from the "Ultralightnews Web" guy...ya, he got run off
the Fly-UL list several years ago. I Wonder what ax he has to grind with
Warp...the probably wouldn't pay to advertise on his Web site! I wouldn't
believe a thing that guy writes...another "Zoom". I will be calling Warp
today and ask them if they have read the information posted on Mr.
Ultralightnews site...
Steve Cooper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com]
> > Hope this answers your question:
> > http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
>
> Yes Mark, and there is also:
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.htm
>
> Which is why, in my initial email I wrote:
> >> I read on the internet that a lot of WarpDrive
> >> props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
>
> So ... I don't know what to think: buy that WarpDrive prop or ... use more
money and buy an electrical variable pitch IvoProp. Somehow, I like the idea
of variable pitch. But ... is the IvoProp worth the expense? Any Kitfox with
Jabiru 2200 and IvoProp around? What do you think, guys?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don" <donfox@inreach.com>
I use the Artic sparrow mixture control, and adjust them to my EGT temp.
Both readings are 1200. Just logged 600 hours on my 582. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: High EGT's (582)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> I did a third balance on them and they are identical.
> Opening the slide on the hot one a bit more though should get things a
> bit more even but what will keep the temps lower? Or are they close to
> typical?
>
>
> Jerry Liles wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
> >
> >Well, It's not terrible. Sounds like the carbs need a bit of balancing,
> >In other words the carburator slide is opening a bit wider on one than
> >the other so one cylinder is running a hair richer than the other.
> >Should be fixable with a simple adjustment of the cables to the carbs to
> >equalize the openings.
> >
> >Jerry Liles
> >
> >jareds wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
> >>
> >>Swapped EGT sensors in the exhaust boss today and I am still getting a
> >>high EGT reading on the front cylinder on a 582 engine with only 60hrs.
> >>RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
> >>5760 1184 1117
> >>6180 1155 1097
> >>
> >>Any ideas?
> >>
> >>Jared
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Jared
I had the same problem (front cylinder EGT running hot) by about 100 - 150
degrees in the cruise. I played with the needle "clip" settings without a
lot of success, so removed the needle from the front carb and sanded it down
by hand with some very fine emery paper in the area of the needle that is
inside the jet at cruise power.
It took 2 or 3 attempts because I didn't want to sand off too much in one
go, but the readings I get now are now pretty close... about what you are
getting!
Regards
Jeff
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: High EGT's (582)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> Swapped EGT sensors in the exhaust boss today and I am still getting a
> high EGT reading on the front cylinder on a 582 engine with only 60hrs.
> RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
> 5760 1184 1117
> 6180 1155 1097
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Jared
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Are you aware that the "Ultralightnews" information on the Warp Prop failure
that your quoting here is from the mid '80s?
Also, did you notice how Mr. Ultralightnews doesn't date any of this stuff
nor does he print any references for any of these perported failures? Sort
of makes you question the credibility of the author...
Steve Cooper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com]
> > Hope this answers your question:
> > http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
>
> Yes Mark, and there is also:
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.htm
>
> Which is why, in my initial email I wrote:
> >> I read on the internet that a lot of WarpDrive
> >> props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
>
> So ... I don't know what to think: buy that WarpDrive prop or ... use more
money and buy an electrical variable pitch IvoProp. Somehow, I like the idea
of variable pitch. But ... is the IvoProp worth the expense? Any Kitfox with
Jabiru 2200 and IvoProp around? What do you think, guys?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flat batteries |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
the panel volt meter shows 13.8 V when the 912 is running. over time the 2 rg batteries
have gone flat within about 6 months of use, no longer holding a charge.
from what i have read this can be the result of over charging or charging
too quickly and surmized that running with full load would ease the charging rate
on the battery. the panel meter shows about 12.8 V when running with everything
turned on.
looking for suggestions.
John
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> John,
>
> Didn't see any replys to this??? But I was gone too.
>
> First you should hook up a good meter and then see
> what it reads with the alternator off, then on. Do
> this to check your on-board meter to see if you
> actually have a problem, or just a low meter reading.
>
> Other than reading low volts, was there another
> problem? I think I missed something. Why do you want
> to charge it more slowly?
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > I am trying a new approach with RG battery--loading
> > up the system with strobes and nav lights whenever
> > the engine is running, thinking that using some of
> > the current from the alternator, less impact will be
> > experienced by the battery. What say you list
> > members?
> >
> > On the initial flight the volt/ammeter was
> > indicating more in the 12+V range than the normal
> > 13.8V.
> >
> > John
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Jeff,
So are you saying your numbers match mine? Because it takes nothing at
all to roar over that 1200 EGT limit. Granted i'm rusty and sloppy with
that mid range on descent but its' just too easy to get over that number?
RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
5760 1184 1117
6180 1155 1097
Jeff Thomas wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
>
>Jared
>I had the same problem (front cylinder EGT running hot) by about 100 - 150
>degrees in the cruise. I played with the needle "clip" settings without a
>lot of success, so removed the needle from the front carb and sanded it down
>by hand with some very fine emery paper in the area of the needle that is
>inside the jet at cruise power.
>
>It took 2 or 3 attempts because I didn't want to sand off too much in one
>go, but the readings I get now are now pretty close... about what you are
>getting!
>
>Regards
>
>Jeff
>Do not archive
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: High EGT's (582)
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>Swapped EGT sensors in the exhaust boss today and I am still getting a
>>high EGT reading on the front cylinder on a 582 engine with only 60hrs.
>>RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
>>5760 1184 1117
>>6180 1155 1097
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
It shows how one person bent on harming someone..or some company can do so
with impunity. This is wrong ....
I believe in free speach....but?
How many Warp drives were not sold due to this guys behaviour? A good
product, good people and thier jobs adversly affect?
I dont use Warp Drive..... but, I have a lot of great reports and have seen
many many people use them and are very happy.. I hear they are very strong
and effecient.... the only concideration, and Warp will quide you, is using the
correct Box....
I use an IVO because its lighter....
If you can,go to a fly in, walk around, ask questions, touchy feely ...better
than internet!
Enjoy.... fly safe!
Dave KF 2
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| Subject: | WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Michel,
I'm a distributor for the IVO and know of several that are flying behind
it
on a Kitfox. Personally.. I love the performance. I do not know of any Jab
powered Kitfox's flying the IVO. The IVO should work great on the 2200.
The Warp is also a great prop and I have flown several hours behind it. It
is tough to beat variable pitch props for performance.. unless of course you
go to constant speed. Of course IVO offers a electric constant speed
also... Haven't used it.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com]
> Hope this answers your question:
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
Yes Mark, and there is also:
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.htm
Which is why, in my initial email I wrote:
>> I read on the internet that a lot of WarpDrive
>> props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
So ... I don't know what to think: buy that WarpDrive prop or ... use more
money and buy an electrical variable pitch IvoProp. Somehow, I like the idea
of variable pitch. But ... is the IvoProp worth the expense? Any Kitfox with
Jabiru 2200 and IvoProp around? What do you think, guys?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Dave
1. I don't have anything against Warp - I've used it when I had 582 on my airplane
and it worked fine.
2. Looks that Dee Young who replied to previous post received the info posted directly
from Warp
3. Wap did issue and AD on the hub which indicates that there was a problem which
possibly got fixed
All that said - Michel who originally asked the question will make the decision
based on this fourm as well as other info he will gather. I see no point in discounting
the information - just evaluate and use it.
Regards
Mark
Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
It shows how one person bent on harming someone..or some company can do so
with impunity. This is wrong ....
I believe in free speach....but?
How many Warp drives were not sold due to this guys behaviour? A good
product, good people and thier jobs adversly affect?
I dont use Warp Drive..... but, I have a lot of great reports and have seen
many many people use them and are very happy.. I hear they are very strong
and effecient.... the only concideration, and Warp will quide you, is using the
correct Box....
I use an IVO because its lighter....
If you can,go to a fly in, walk around, ask questions, touchy feely ...better
than internet!
Enjoy.... fly safe!
Dave KF 2
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes@roxio.com>
Thanks Don for the posting.
It seems that Outlook Web Access formats messages in a way the list server does
not like, while Outlook works fine.
I'm hoping to find someone with experience using the GTA in-flight adjustable pitch
prop with a 912. My project is a Series 5 smooth cowl and it looks like a
10 3/4" to 11" spinner will work nicely with the cowling. Aircraft Spruce sells
a fiberglass spinner, but they declined to provide one with cut-outs large
enough for this prop. They also have a 10 3/4" aluminum spinner but I would rather
not order one without a reasonable degree of assurance that it would work.
Joel Mapes
Software Engineer
OEM / OCA Team
roxio
The Digital Media Company*
10030 Silverdale Way NW, Ste 101
Silverdale, WA 98383 USA
360 613 9988 direct
360 613 4266 fax
joel.mapes@roxio.com
www.roxio.com
NASDAQ:"ROXI"
Featuring the Best-Selling CD-Recording Software in the World
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Jared,
I had high EGTs on descents also, in my 582ed IV-1200. So I installed an Artic
Sparrow mixture control.
One way to handle the high EGT on descent is to pull the throttle back until the
EGTs drop back to comfortable levels.
Never dive with half throttle! Over lean occurs, followed by strange sounds and
stuff from the 582! I tried this just once!
Alternately, increase the needle jet size by 1 for the front cyl..
bh
Ex-N194KF, 582ed, IV-1200, 800+ hrs
> So are you saying your numbers match mine? Because it takes nothing at
> all to roar over that 1200 EGT limit. Granted i'm rusty and sloppy with
> that mid range on descent but its' just too easy to get over that number?
>
> RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
> 5760 1184 1117
> 6180 1155 1097
>
>
> Jeff Thomas wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Don, did I forget to talk to you about needle jets?
Old Pit Crew - bh
> It seems to me that the two carb slides should be set exactly the same
> with the linkage and different EGT adjustment would be accomplished with the
> needle clips. That way, the air part of the fuel/air mixture is the same and
> only the fuel part is changed. Jared indicates that his difference is at the
mid
> range.
> Having said that, please educate me. As I said, it's early in Virginia
> and I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
>
> It shows how one person bent on harming someone..or some company can do so
> with impunity. This is wrong ....
>
> I believe in free speach....but?
>
> How many Warp drives were not sold due to this guys behaviour? A good
> product, good people and thier jobs adversly affect?
>
> I dont use Warp Drive..... but, I have a lot of great reports and have
seen
> many many people use them and are very happy.. I hear they are very
strong
> and effecient.... the only concideration, and Warp will quide you, is
using the
> correct Box....
>
> I use an IVO because its lighter....
>
> If you can,go to a fly in, walk around, ask questions, touchy feely
...better
> than internet!
>
> Enjoy.... fly safe!
>
> Dave KF 2
Great advice...that's what I did. Take a look around and see what people are
flying. Sometimes it's better to get your head out (hehehe) of the internet
to see what's REALLY truthful. You begin to understand that a lot of what is
said on the net is nothing more than downright slander.
Steve Cooper
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Joel,
I use a 10.75 aluminum spinner with the IVO. The cut-outs are about 3"
wide x 2" deep. I could measure if needed... I made the cut-outs specific
for the IVO and it has worked great. You may need to mfg a front bulkhead
to go with it.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joel Mapes
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spinner
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes@roxio.com>
Thanks Don for the posting.
It seems that Outlook Web Access formats messages in a way the list server
does not like, while Outlook works fine.
I'm hoping to find someone with experience using the GTA in-flight
adjustable pitch prop with a 912. My project is a Series 5 smooth cowl and
it looks like a 10 3/4" to 11" spinner will work nicely with the cowling.
Aircraft Spruce sells a fiberglass spinner, but they declined to provide one
with cut-outs large enough for this prop. They also have a 10 3/4" aluminum
spinner but I would rather not order one without a reasonable degree of
assurance that it would work.
Joel Mapes
Software Engineer
OEM / OCA Team
roxio
The Digital Media Company*
10030 Silverdale Way NW, Ste 101
Silverdale, WA 98383 USA
360 613 9988 direct
360 613 4266 fax
joel.mapes@roxio.com
www.roxio.com
NASDAQ:"ROXI"
Featuring the Best-Selling CD-Recording Software in the World
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| Subject: | Magazine Article (Off Topic) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Good Lord! The biker in you wakes up again! Man, you ain't as sweet as I
thought first! :-)
Michel,
I've been called (and accused) of being a lot of things, but "sweet" has
never been one of them! :-)
As far as being Ugly, I'll have you know that I am a card carrying,
hard-core member of the UMF.
I founded the very first Alaska Chapter (13) in Haines in 2000 and am a
National member.
If you want to know what "UMF" stands for, you'll have to contact me
off-list (or use a little imagination)
Hint: It's not "Unusually Masculine Fellows". But that's what we tell
the "ladies".
I'll bet some of you Utah or San Diego guys know exactly what.
Our Motto: Ugly is as Ugly does.
Scott in Nome
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Flaperson Adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
I heard from a fellow the other day that my flaperons aren't rigged properly (although
I've been flying it for 7 years). He says that when one flaperon is down,
the other should be up a similar amount? He says that one needed a picture
along with the directions to properly rig the flaperons. When I received my
kit in 91, Denny (Skystar) hadn't completed the directions. So, I didn't have
a picture to help establish where the 11.5 degree measurement was to be taken.
Has anyone heard of this? What's a possible problem (I've turned 45 degrees
in both directions without noticeable differences)?
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| Subject: | Re: flat batteries |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
Ok, now I get it. 6 months on a battery isn't too
good.
It used to be pretty common practice to drive cars
with your headlights on when taking long trips for the
same reason - to keep from over charging the battery.
For shorter trips, or flights, you do little more than
replace the starting charge. (It takes about 5 miles
of driving, etc, to recharge a car battery. Farther
if the lights are on.) With the new "low maintenance"
sealed batteries, this practice has stopped.
Flying: For pattern work and short flights, you may
not need much turned on. I flew with a friend in a
182 and in less than an hour the battery went dead in
the pattern. He had everything turned on and the
alternator couldn't charge when at lower power. The
high power time in the pattern was not sufficient to
keep the charge up. The tower thought it was funny
when we could finally talk to them again.
I have an amp meter on my plane. It helps since I can
not hand prop the NSI Soob, and the ignition is all
electronic, so a dead battery is a dead engine. I
even added an "idiot light" to keep me heads up. I
recommend that you use an amp gauge to monitor battery
life. You can look to see how much charging is going
on and turn lights on or off accordingly.
I agree that the desulfating systems you found could
help. Same with good trickle chargers.
Other problems with batteries are letting them sit
idle, then hit them with a high demand, like starting;
or deep cycling them - taking them to very low states
of charge. So it depends upon how often you fly and
how you charge the battery between flights as well as
in flight.
I wonder if you need a better battery to begin with?
That seems to be too little battery life for some
unusual reason. Back to the amp gauge for determining
this....
In summary and order of preference/cost:
1. Use an amp gauge to watch the battery/charging
system performance. Adjust your electric load to keep
the charge in the low + range.
2. Make sure you have a good battery for the
application.
3. Add the desulfering and good trickle charger
system for ground use between flights, and desulfering
during air use.
Best I can say from here. Hope it helps.
Kurt S.
--- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> the panel volt meter shows 13.8 V when the 912 is
> running. over time the 2 rg batteries have gone flat
> within about 6 months of use, no longer holding a
> charge. from what i have read this can be the result
> of over charging or charging too quickly and
> surmized that running with full load would ease the
> charging rate on the battery. the panel meter shows
> about 12.8 V when running with everything turned on.
>
> looking for suggestions.
>
> John
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| Subject: | Re: flat batteries |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
John,
I should have said that Rex found these desulfating
systems. Credit to him.
Kurt S.
--- rex@awarenest.com wrote:
>
> I'm no expert, but slower charging is more gentle
> on
> batteries from all I've read about it. John's method
> of
> taking away some of the amps generated seems a
> workable
> solution at first glance. However, I've found that
> often
> things aren't as easy as that, so asking advice from
> more
> experienced folks is a good idea.
>
> There may be a charge controlling device that
> could be
> adapted to our aircraft to provide the optimum rate
> of
> charge. I know that such "smart" devices are
> available for
> charging batteries from an AC outlet. If none exist
> for
> enhancing mobile charging systems such in vehicles.
> Perhaps a "techie" could convert one from components
> in a
> home charger?
> Check this site:
> http://www.battery-sentinel.com
>
> Rex
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperson Adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Which model do you have? To reduce adverse yaw, the
rising flapperon should go up more than the dropping
flapperon. If I remember correctly, this differential
flapperon system was used on the IV and later models.
Earlier ones didn't have the differential system and
have moe adverse yaw.
Kurt S.
--- "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]"
<john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON,
> JOHN L [AG/2067]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
>
> I heard from a fellow the other day that my
> flaperons aren't rigged properly (although I've been
> flying it for 7 years). He says that when one
> flaperon is down, the other should be up a similar
> amount? He says that one needed a picture along
> with the directions to properly rig the flaperons.
> When I received my kit in 91, Denny (Skystar) hadn't
> completed the directions. So, I didn't have a
> picture to help establish where the 11.5 degree
> measurement was to be taken. Has anyone heard of
> this? What's a possible problem (I've turned 45
> degrees in both directions without noticeable
> differences)?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Ivo and Warp drive in my opinion are both really good props. As for the info. from
the Ultralightnews website, that info. is very often wrong/bad info. and again
in my opinion isn't worth $0.01. It is posible Michel to alsopurchase an
in-flight adjustable Warp drive as well as a Ivoprop.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: Michel Verheughe michel@online.no Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:52:41 +0200 (CEST) -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe michel@online.no From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com] Hope this answers your question: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm Yes Mark, and there is also: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.h
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| Subject: | Re: flat batteries |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
these have been the "better" batteries, $80 instead of the $35 lead acid types.
my amp meter may not be sensing the flow correctly because I see very little change.
John
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> John,
>
> Ok, now I get it. 6 months on a battery isn't too
> good.
>
> It used to be pretty common practice to drive cars
> with your headlights on when taking long trips for the
> same reason - to keep from over charging the battery.
> For shorter trips, or flights, you do little more than
> replace the starting charge. (It takes about 5 miles
> of driving, etc, to recharge a car battery. Farther
> if the lights are on.) With the new "low maintenance"
> sealed batteries, this practice has stopped.
>
> Flying: For pattern work and short flights, you may
> not need much turned on. I flew with a friend in a
> 182 and in less than an hour the battery went dead in
> the pattern. He had everything turned on and the
> alternator couldn't charge when at lower power. The
> high power time in the pattern was not sufficient to
> keep the charge up. The tower thought it was funny
> when we could finally talk to them again.
>
> I have an amp meter on my plane. It helps since I can
> not hand prop the NSI Soob, and the ignition is all
> electronic, so a dead battery is a dead engine. I
> even added an "idiot light" to keep me heads up. I
> recommend that you use an amp gauge to monitor battery
> life. You can look to see how much charging is going
> on and turn lights on or off accordingly.
>
> I agree that the desulfating systems you found could
> help. Same with good trickle chargers.
>
> Other problems with batteries are letting them sit
> idle, then hit them with a high demand, like starting;
> or deep cycling them - taking them to very low states
> of charge. So it depends upon how often you fly and
> how you charge the battery between flights as well as
> in flight.
>
> I wonder if you need a better battery to begin with?
> That seems to be too little battery life for some
> unusual reason. Back to the amp gauge for determining
> this....
>
> In summary and order of preference/cost:
>
> 1. Use an amp gauge to watch the battery/charging
> system performance. Adjust your electric load to keep
> the charge in the low + range.
>
> 2. Make sure you have a good battery for the
> application.
>
> 3. Add the desulfering and good trickle charger
> system for ground use between flights, and desulfering
> during air use.
>
> Best I can say from here. Hope it helps.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by:
> > kerrjohna@comcast.net
> >
> > the panel volt meter shows 13.8 V when the 912 is
> > running. over time the 2 rg batteries have gone flat
> > within about 6 months of use, no longer holding a
> > charge. from what i have read this can be the result
> > of over charging or charging too quickly and
> > surmized that running with full load would ease the
> > charging rate on the battery. the panel meter shows
> > about 12.8 V when running with everything turned on.
> >
> > looking for suggestions.
> >
> > John
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperson Adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
you will probably get a lot of input on this, but one of the reasons for nice handling
of the kitfox is the differential aileron effect, more up in the lower
pressure area than down in the higher pressure area. with equal deflection more
adverse yaw will be experienced during roll maneuvers.
John
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]"
> <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
>
> I heard from a fellow the other day that my flaperons aren't rigged properly
> (although I've been flying it for 7 years). He says that when one flaperon is
> down, the other should be up a similar amount? He says that one needed a
> picture along with the directions to properly rig the flaperons. When I
> received my kit in 91, Denny (Skystar) hadn't completed the directions. So,
I
> didn't have a picture to help establish where the 11.5 degree measurement was
to
> be taken. Has anyone heard of this? What's a possible problem (I've turned
45
> degrees in both directions without noticeable differences)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don, did I forget to talk to you about needle jets?
Old Pit Crew - bh
BH,
You old Dog you and master of the Pit Crew....I was coming to the needle
jet.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Jared,
Thanks but the real master just replied (BH). Look at changing the
needle jet by 1 on the hot cylinder. Also, when you get through messing around,
go
fly the plane and give it full throttle at "LEVEL" flight. Your EGT's will
be controlled by the Main Jet ONLY and see what you get plus any differences.
Also, look for 6799.54754 RPM or, less than 6800. If you have to change prop
pitch to get the desired 6800, the EGT's will follow. Increase prop pitch
will make the EGT's lower. Decrease pitch and EGT's go up.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/28/04 7:54:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jareds@verizon.net writes:
> all to roar over that 1200 EGT limit. Granted i'm rusty and sloppy with
> that mid range on descent but its' just too easy to get over that number?
>
> RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
> 5760 1184 1117
> 6180 1155 1097
>
>
Jared,
The closer you are to 1200 in the 5760 RPM range, the easier it's going
to be to "roar" over 1200. I personally use a temp range closer to your rear
cylinders. Those with the Artic mod have the luxury to adjust for different
circumstances including peak it out at cruise. I prefer to keep my temps a
little away from 1200 to help stay away from those peak situations. My plug color
is text book at the 1100 degree range.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <jareds@verizon.net>
> Don,
So what is your synopsis of all of this.
Bottom line is for me to file down the needle jet on front cylinder?
> From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> Date: 2004/06/28 Mon PM 02:30:37 CDT
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jareds EGT's
>
>
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| Subject: | WarpDrive Props (Michel) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Michel,
While your were drooling over the picture of the "Arctic Fox", did you
not notice that I am running WarpDrive props?
I am very happy with mine and the NSI CAP 140, electrically in-flight
adjustable feature is a real bonus.
I've gotten real good at trimming the prop for best performance under
any and all conditions.
The props are very durable and fairly lightweight, too. (Carbon
Fiber/Nickle leading edge)
The coolest thing with the CAP 140 is the ability to go to full beta.
(Real handy if on floats)
It's neat to be able to back up the plane when the idiot flying the
misses his taxi ramp exit. The tower people get a real kick out of that,
believe me!
I've never had to replace any yet, but they tell me that if you booger
one up, you only need to replace the single bad blade. They (WarpDrive)
just need the serial number of the bad one to send you a weight matched
replacement. Pretty cool, huh?
I'm sure they have the hub thing solved by now too.
Scott in Nome
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don,
So what is your synopsis of all of this.
Bottom line is for me to file down the needle jet on front cylinder?
Jared,
IMHO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.....The needle and needle jet are cone shaped to
give you more clearance for the fuel to pass as you pull the needle out (more
throttle). If you need more fuel to make the mixture richer, then change the
needle jet or move the clips on the needle. Under no circumstances would I start
filing needles. That is why they make different size needle jets and jet
needles.
I would leave as is until you go fly the airplane and see what EGT's you
have at full throttle. Check your RPM's and adjust prop pitch as necessary to
give you near 6800 in the air. If EGT's are off under this test then, change
the main jet to get what you want. Then go back to the mid range if the
temps between cylinders aren't to your satisfaction. Sort of, "one step at a
time".
Bottom line, you will most likely never see "exact" temps on both
cylinders. The spec of 40 degree difference is probably text book but, this is
the
real world. However, I certainly don't blame you for wanting the best you can
get. Fly first and verify the main jets are correct for the current weather
conditions. Then back up and go for the mid range settings. For example, if
you have a full throttle EGT difference then it is probably NOT the needles or
needle jets. Might be something else or, might be something you have to live
with. Uno-Stepo-at-a-Timo (Spanish for, one step at a time).
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive Props (Michel) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
I've never had to replace any yet, but they tell me that if you booger
one up, you only need to replace the single bad blade. They (WarpDrive)
just need the serial number of the bad one to send you a weight matched
replacement. Pretty cool, huh?
I'm
There is one really bad thing about the Warp Drive Prop that I feel is
unforgivable. When I hit a runway light last year with my warp, it splintered
the tip on one blade and made a small dent on the second tip. The third tip
was unharmed. Can you imagine that?????? Should have seen what it did to the
runway light.
The good part is, Warp took the prop back and reconditioned all three
blades for $80 bucks (US). Can't beat that.
Happy Warp Drive customer,
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
John, Since you are the IVO guy, do you know anyone using one with an IO-240
. I need a new prop for better TO and climb perf. and instead of guessing at
a pitch and having one made for a thousand bucks, I like the idea of
tweaking the pitch to right where I want it. Thanks Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Michel,
> I'm a distributor for the IVO and know of several that are flying
behind it
> on a Kitfox. Personally.. I love the performance. I do not know of any
Jab
> powered Kitfox's flying the IVO. The IVO should work great on the 2200.
> The Warp is also a great prop and I have flown several hours behind it.
It
> is tough to beat variable pitch props for performance.. unless of course
you
> go to constant speed. Of course IVO offers a electric constant speed
> also... Haven't used it.
>
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com]
> > Hope this answers your question:
> > http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
>
> Yes Mark, and there is also:
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.htm
>
> Which is why, in my initial email I wrote:
> >> I read on the internet that a lot of WarpDrive
> >> props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
>
> So ... I don't know what to think: buy that WarpDrive prop or ... use more
> money and buy an electrical variable pitch IvoProp. Somehow, I like the
idea
> of variable pitch. But ... is the IvoProp worth the expense? Any Kitfox
with
> Jabiru 2200 and IvoProp around? What do you think, guys?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive Props (Michel) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Warp has bent over backwards to get me the right prop for my Avid/Jabiru.
They really wanted me to be happy and satisfied with the performance. I
started with a 64" 2 blade and their new hub...then they bumped me up to a
68" 2 blade...for FREE! Can't beat that kind of service and support...they
even call me once in a while to make sure everything is A-OK.
Steve Cooper
Another VERY happy Warp Drive Customer
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Only one thought on this one from me. And that is why is the guy selling
the Warp with the Jab hub lay-out. Is there something better, or is he not
happy with it for other reasons.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
> >
> > It shows how one person bent on harming someone..or some company can do
so
> > with impunity. This is wrong ....
> >
> > I believe in free speach....but?
> >
> > How many Warp drives were not sold due to this guys behaviour? A good
> > product, good people and thier jobs adversly affect?
> >
> > I dont use Warp Drive..... but, I have a lot of great reports and have
> seen
> > many many people use them and are very happy.. I hear they are very
> strong
> > and effecient.... the only concideration, and Warp will quide you, is
> using the
> > correct Box....
> >
> > I use an IVO because its lighter....
> >
> > If you can,go to a fly in, walk around, ask questions, touchy feely
> ...better
> > than internet!
> >
> > Enjoy.... fly safe!
> >
> > Dave KF 2
>
> Great advice...that's what I did. Take a look around and see what people
are
> flying. Sometimes it's better to get your head out (hehehe) of the
internet
> to see what's REALLY truthful. You begin to understand that a lot of what
is
> said on the net is nothing more than downright slander.
>
> Steve Cooper
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperson Adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Hi john, I read the posts the others have sent and they are good info. My
question is who is the fellow and what are his qualifications for giving
advice. I was told in no uncertain terms one day to tighten my tailwheel
steering springs or I would be in trouble. this also after more than 300
hours. My Kitfox was the first one he had ever seen, but he was a mechanic
with tons of hours working on classic tail draggers. He knew a lot about
what he knew a lot about.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperson Adjustment
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]"
<john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
>
> I heard from a fellow the other day that my flaperons aren't rigged
properly (although I've been flying it for 7 years). He says that when one
flaperon is down, the other should be up a similar amount? He says that one
needed a picture along with the directions to properly rig the flaperons.
When I received my kit in 91, Denny (Skystar) hadn't completed the
directions. So, I didn't have a picture to help establish where the 11.5
degree measurement was to be taken. Has anyone heard of this? What's a
possible problem (I've turned 45 degrees in both directions without
noticeable differences)?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I don't follow your question Lowell.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Only one thought on this one from me. And that is why is the guy selling
> the Warp with the Jab hub lay-out. Is there something better, or is he
not
> happy with it for other reasons.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Aerobatics@aol.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller That dark side of the net
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
> > >
> > > It shows how one person bent on harming someone..or some company can
do
> so
> > > with impunity. This is wrong ....
> > >
> > > I believe in free speach....but?
> > >
> > > How many Warp drives were not sold due to this guys behaviour? A good
> > > product, good people and thier jobs adversly affect?
> > >
> > > I dont use Warp Drive..... but, I have a lot of great reports and
have
> > seen
> > > many many people use them and are very happy.. I hear they are very
> > strong
> > > and effecient.... the only concideration, and Warp will quide you, is
> > using the
> > > correct Box....
> > >
> > > I use an IVO because its lighter....
> > >
> > > If you can,go to a fly in, walk around, ask questions, touchy feely
> > ...better
> > > than internet!
> > >
> > > Enjoy.... fly safe!
> > >
> > > Dave KF 2
> >
> > Great advice...that's what I did. Take a look around and see what people
> are
> > flying. Sometimes it's better to get your head out (hehehe) of the
> internet
> > to see what's REALLY truthful. You begin to understand that a lot of
what
> is
> > said on the net is nothing more than downright slander.
> >
> > Steve Cooper
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High EGT's (582) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
I'd open the hot one no more than an RCH, just a tad and try it until
you get it where you want it. It's probably asking to much for both to
be perfectly identical. The temps actually are pretty good for cruise
setting. If you get them too cool you'll have plug fouling problems.
Shoot for about 1100 to 1150 for cruise. You could richen the mixture by
raising the needle on notch if it worries you. Or, you could do what I
did, install the Arctic Sparrow mixture control kit so you can change
the position of the needles from the cockpit. However, I don't know if
it's still available since Jacober was killed in a crash.
Jerry Liles
jareds wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>I did a third balance on them and they are identical.
>Opening the slide on the hot one a bit more though should get things a
>bit more even but what will keep the temps lower? Or are they close to
>typical?
>
>
>Jerry Liles wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>>
>>Well, It's not terrible. Sounds like the carbs need a bit of balancing,
>>In other words the carburator slide is opening a bit wider on one than
>>the other so one cylinder is running a hair richer than the other.
>>Should be fixable with a simple adjustment of the cables to the carbs to
>>equalize the openings.
>>
>>Jerry Liles
>>
>>jareds wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>>
>>>Swapped EGT sensors in the exhaust boss today and I am still getting a
>>>high EGT reading on the front cylinder on a 582 engine with only 60hrs.
>>>RPM EGT Front EGT Rear
>>>5760 1184 1117
>>>6180 1155 1097
>>>
>>>Any ideas?
>>>
>>>Jared
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Bortree" <plane@rtmc.net>
> > what is the max gross weight on a kitfox I
> > Randy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
What you have done is adjust for minor differences between the two
cylinders. Actually the 582 is like two single cylinder engines sharing
a common crank. each side of the crankcase is totally isolated from the
other so each carb is totally dedicated to one cylinder only. Since the
engine and carbs have usually not been blueprinted there will be very
minor differences in air flow, fuel distribution, crankcase pressure,
pressure loss through oil seals, etc between them. If each side was
perfectly identical then the exact same opening would produce the exact
same EGT. They don't so they aren't. The EGT is probably the best
indicator of mixture, assuming the guages are reasonably accurate.
Therefore the hotter cylinder is running leaner. The jets and needles
are the most precise parts of the entire carb, the carb throats, slides,
etc are just slightly cleaned up castings. The very minor changes in
opening, and it should be minute, will even things up mixture and flow
wise. I used to balance the Mikuni SUs, which in many respects are
similar to the Bings with a piston slide and needle valve on the piston,
on my 240 Z by measuring air flow through the carbs and adjusting the
slides until the carbs matched. Ideally you would adjust airflow then
adjust fuel flow to even the EGTs. Raising or dropping one needle seems
a bit less precise to me, and, somehow offends my admittedly warped view
of symmetry. (nb The 618 had such a large difference front to rear
that the two carbs had totally differen't sets of jets) With Arctic
Sparrow cockpit adjustable needles you could do both - balance airflow
then adjust fuel flow till the EGTs matched. But that's my opinion,
YMMV. I hope Mr Robertson will step in about now.
Jerry Liles
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>Darrel and Jerry,
> I read your earlier post saying to adjust the carb linkage to bring the
>two EGT's closer together. I don't question your knowledge on the 582 at all
>but am having a senior moment and just can't see changing the slide position.
>Maybe I'm about to learn something.
> The way I see it, adjusting the linkage on one carb with actually throw
>the carb sync out. You would be telling one cylinder to try and run faster
>than the other. One carb would be sucking more/less air and the relationship
of
>the mid range jet would be different.
> It seems to me that the two carb slides should be set exactly the same
>with the linkage and different EGT adjustment would be accomplished with the
>needle clips. That way, the air part of the fuel/air mixture is the same and
>only the fuel part is changed. Jared indicates that his difference is at the
mid
>range.
> Having said that, please educate me. As I said, it's early in Virginia
>and I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet.
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Loss of Engine power! (Ray) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello Ray.
I had a problem with very rough running on my 912 UL. Very lucky I was not
flying, in fact I had just changed the oil and filter. On start up - very
difficult and could hardly keep the engine running smooth. At low RPM, it shuddered
to a halt.
In dismay, I thought it would be an electrical fault and would cost$$$ and
for the life of me could not understand why!
My wife, looking over my shoulder with a fresh pair of eyes suddenly points
to the cross carburetor tube (aluminum) and asks why it is not connected at one
end, where it meets the short hose, to connect it to one of the carbs.
How could I have missed this? Sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees
I replaced the hose for a slightly longer piece, tightened the hose clamps
and started the motor. The 912 and the Warp Drive fired up and spun very
smoothly and I have a mental note now to check the security of a couple more items
before flight. I don't know, but this could be the problem!
Hope it doesn't cost too much to fix.
Eric Ashman. Classic IV, Atlanta
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Randy,
The Model I had a 850# gross weight limit.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy Bortree
Subject: Kitfox-List: kitfox I info
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Bortree" <plane@rtmc.net>
> > what is the max gross weight on a kitfox I
> > Randy
>
>
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| Subject: | WarpDrive propeller |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Bruce,
I do not know of any operating one on the IO-240 specifically. I'll do
some
checking. I do know of some that have them on the larger Lyc's. I'll do a
little research... and get back to you.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Lina
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
John, Since you are the IVO guy, do you know anyone using one with an IO-240
. I need a new prop for better TO and climb perf. and instead of guessing at
a pitch and having one made for a thousand bucks, I like the idea of
tweaking the pitch to right where I want it. Thanks Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Michel,
> I'm a distributor for the IVO and know of several that are flying
behind it
> on a Kitfox. Personally.. I love the performance. I do not know of any
Jab
> powered Kitfox's flying the IVO. The IVO should work great on the 2200.
> The Warp is also a great prop and I have flown several hours behind it.
It
> is tough to beat variable pitch props for performance.. unless of course
you
> go to constant speed. Of course IVO offers a electric constant speed
> also... Haven't used it.
>
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: WarpDrive propeller
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Mark Schindler [mtschindler@yahoo.com]
> > Hope this answers your question:
> > http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivepropfailure2.htm
>
> Yes Mark, and there is also:
> http://www.ultralightnews.ca/advisories1/warpdrivefailure.htm
>
> Which is why, in my initial email I wrote:
> >> I read on the internet that a lot of WarpDrive
> >> props have lost a blade in flight. What would you advice me to do?
>
> So ... I don't know what to think: buy that WarpDrive prop or ... use more
> money and buy an electrical variable pitch IvoProp. Somehow, I like the
idea
> of variable pitch. But ... is the IvoProp worth the expense? Any Kitfox
with
> Jabiru 2200 and IvoProp around? What do you think, guys?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jareds EGT's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
One other thing to consider: the rear cylinder intakes thru the rotary valve
slightly different than the front cylinder. The rear has the valve open at the
bottom of the intake hole. The front at the top.
I suspect this causes some difference in the intake flow.
bh
> What you have done is adjust for minor differences between the two
> cylinders. Actually the 582 is like two single cylinder engines sharing
> a common crank. each side of the crankcase is totally isolated from the
> other so each carb is totally dedicated to one cylinder only. Since the
> engine and carbs have usually not been blueprinted there will be very
> minor differences in air flow, fuel distribution, crankcase pressure,
> pressure loss through oil seals, etc between them. If each side was
> perfectly identical then the exact same opening would produce the exact
> same EGT. They don't so they aren't. The EGT is probably the best
> indicator of mixture, assuming the guages are reasonably accurate.
> Therefore the hotter cylinder is running leaner. The jets and needles
> are the most precise parts of the entire carb, the carb throats, slides,
> etc are just slightly cleaned up castings. The very minor changes in
> opening, and it should be minute, will even things up mixture and flow
> wise. I used to balance the Mikuni SUs, which in many respects are
> similar to the Bings with a piston slide and needle valve on the piston,
> on my 240 Z by measuring air flow through the carbs and adjusting the
> slides until the carbs matched. Ideally you would adjust airflow then
> adjust fuel flow to even the EGTs. Raising or dropping one needle seems
> a bit less precise to me, and, somehow offends my admittedly warped view
> of symmetry. (nb The 618 had such a large difference front to rear
> that the two carbs had totally differen't sets of jets) With Arctic
> Sparrow cockpit adjustable needles you could do both - balance airflow
> then adjust fuel flow till the EGTs matched. But that's my opinion,
> YMMV. I hope Mr Robertson will step in about now.
>
> Jerry Liles
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