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1. 01:11 AM - John King (Jeffrey Puls)
2. 12:45 PM - First start-up (Marco Menezes)
3. 12:59 PM - Re: First start-up (Ron)
4. 01:18 PM - Re: First start-up (Rick)
5. 01:41 PM - Re: First start-up (Fox5flyer)
6. 02:28 PM - Re: Flaperon control reversal (Michel Verheughe)
7. 02:35 PM - Re: SV: Flaperson Adjustment (Michel Verheughe)
8. 04:28 PM - Re: First start-up (Marco Menezes)
9. 04:49 PM - Re: John King (John E. King)
10. 06:06 PM - Re: First start-up (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 06:15 PM - Re: First start-up (Steve Cooper)
12. 06:30 PM - Re: First start-up (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
13. 06:53 PM - Re: First start-up (Steve Cooper)
14. 07:06 PM - Re: First start-up (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
15. 07:06 PM - Re: Flaperson Adjustment (Jerry Liles)
16. 07:08 PM - Re: Clutch in 582 (Jerry Liles)
17. 07:17 PM - Re: First start-up (Jerry Liles)
18. 07:20 PM - 582 Break-In (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
19. 07:24 PM - Re: Flaperon control reversal (Jerry Liles)
20. 07:26 PM - Re: SV: Flaperson Adjustment (Jerry Liles)
21. 09:06 PM - Re: First start-up (Bruce Harrington)
22. 09:58 PM - 912 ULS Spring Compresion test lever (jimshumaker)
23. 10:00 PM - Model III Flaperon adjustment (jimshumaker)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
John,
I'm planning on flying my Fox to Oshkosh this year. Once you departed Marion, Ohio,
what was your routing? Thanks, Jeff Classic IV Columbus, Ohio
Jeffrey Puls
pulsair@mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime
this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started.
I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail
down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
Marco Menezes
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Yes Marco,
Make sure that you run a cooling water hose into the radiator during the
break-in procedure. Without it the temps will go way too high.
Take care, Ron N55KF model 2/582
>
> My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL
sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has
never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I
know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
>
> Marco Menezes
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I would make sure it turns over smoothly by hand before you put the power to
it. I would also recommend you do a pressure pre oiling since it has set so
long. A bit of trouble but worth it in the long run. If you have an extra
head gasket around I would pull the head or at least bore scope it. Not
going a tractor you know.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Yes Marco,
Make sure that you run a cooling water hose into the radiator during the
break-in procedure. Without it the temps will go way too high.
Take care, Ron N55KF model 2/582
>
> My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL
sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has
never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I
know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
>
> Marco Menezes
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Pretty much go by the manual. It's self explanatory and is well charted for
the break in procedure. One thing that helps greatly is to put in your
tanks a mix of 50/1 2-stroke oil rather than straight gas. This way you
don't have to worry about the oil pump and it also gives you an oil mixture
right off the git go. As I recall, the early Denny builder manual suggested
this. Keep your coolant temp below 180f and if it begins to go above it
during break in, shut down and wait for things to cool a bit, then start up
and resume where you left off. Setting up a water spray on the rad might
help, but it takes a bit of a contraption to keep it there when the fan
starts blowing.
Hope this helps.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: First start-up
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
> My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL
sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has
never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I
know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
>
> Marco Menezes
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Flaperon control reversal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
jimshumaker wrote:
> I believe the restriction is because of roll "restriction", not control
> reversal.
Thanks for that, Jim. I don't know where I read or heard that the flaperons
would reverse if exceeding 23 degrees but it may just be a "urban legend."
> Too much torque on the 582??? Yes...
Ok, then it is torque that needs to be corrected with left aileron on the 582,
then. I read somewhere that torque was a real problem with Spitfires in WWII.
> Congratulations on your son's solo. Great too hear another dream is
> fulfilled.
Thanks. I just come back from the airfield where he flew ten touch and go in
one hour. It was funny to see my plane flying without me! :-) Out of ten, he
did 7 perfect landings. I can see that his 50 hours of glider, ten years ago,
still sits in that young man.
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Flaperson Adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Jerry Liles wrote:
> Basically you can't fly one of these airplanes smoothly without using your feet.
Yes, I realise that, Jerry. I was once told that the Kitfox was not an easy
plane. To which I answered that if I wanted to fly easy, I'd fly Scandinavian
Airlines! :-)
The Kitfox is fun to fly and using my feet is the way I should fly.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Thanks Rick. Could you describe how to do a "pressure pre oiling?"
Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
I would make sure it turns over smoothly by hand before you put the power to
it. I would also recommend you do a pressure pre oiling since it has set so
long. A bit of trouble but worth it in the long run. If you have an extra
head gasket around I would pull the head or at least bore scope it. Not
going a tractor you know.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron"
Yes Marco,
Make sure that you run a cooling water hose into the radiator during the
break-in procedure. Without it the temps will go way too high.
Take care, Ron N55KF model 2/582
>
> My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL
sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has
never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I
know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
>
> Marco Menezes
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Jeff,
From Marion, OH I fly direct to Rochester, IA (RCR), to Joliet, IL
(JOT), to Dekalb, IL (DKB), to Poplar Grove, IL (C77), to Juneau, WI
(UNU) and then to Oshkosh (OSH). You must enter Oshkosh via the towns
of Ripon and Fisk. Go to the EAA website and download the Oshkosh
NOTAMs for the approach procedures and frequencies. I can usually make
it from Marion to Oshkosh without a fuel stop, but it is smart not to
enter Oshkosh low on fuel. You may have to go into a holding pattern
over Ripon if the air show is going on, or there is a lot of traffic.
As a result I usually stop for fuel at Juneau or Poplar Grove.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Jeffrey Puls wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
>
>John,
>I'm planning on flying my Fox to Oshkosh this year. Once you departed Marion,
Ohio, what was your routing? Thanks, Jeff Classic IV Columbus, Ohio
>
>
>Jeffrey Puls
>pulsair@mindspring.com
>Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie
the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
Marco Menezes
Marco,
Someone said to put water "into" the radiator. I think they meant to
say, put a "spray" of water onto the outside of the radiator during the runup.
You will be able to get through most of the runup without the external spray.
During the last few minutes of runup, you will most likely need the external
spray to maintain coolant temps.
Something you need to verify and I'm afraid to make judgment but, mix
about 10 gallons of fuel to put in the wing/header tank to a ratio of 100/1.
This will insure extra oil during the high speed runin. I saw that you should
mix 50/1. I've always heard 100/1 for the breakin????????? CHECK THIS OUT AND
VERIFY BEFORE YOU DO THE RUN-IN...............
Watch the RPM's and don't go above 6800. Watch the coolant temps. Watch
the EGT's... Etc.............
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO.
100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to oil. DO
NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per oil. Do
not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a mix
change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil, or
100:1
Steve Cooper
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie
> the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
>
> Marco Menezes
>
>
> Marco,
> Someone said to put water "into" the radiator. I think they meant to
> say, put a "spray" of water onto the outside of the radiator during the
runup.
> You will be able to get through most of the runup without the external
spray.
> During the last few minutes of runup, you will most likely need the
external
> spray to maintain coolant temps.
> Something you need to verify and I'm afraid to make judgment but, mix
> about 10 gallons of fuel to put in the wing/header tank to a ratio of
100/1.
> This will insure extra oil during the high speed runin. I saw that you
should
> mix 50/1. I've always heard 100/1 for the breakin????????? CHECK THIS
OUT AND
> VERIFY BEFORE YOU DO THE RUN-IN...............
> Watch the RPM's and don't go above 6800. Watch the coolant temps.
Watch
> the EGT's... Etc.............
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 6/30/04 6:15:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
spdrflyr@earthlink.net writes:
> 100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO.
>
> 100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to oil. DO
> NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per oil. Do
> not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a mix
> change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil, or
> 100:1
>
> Steve Cooper
>
Steve,
I assumed we are talking about a 582 system that is "OIL INJECTED". The
oil injection system (properly vented) is going to be providing the 50/1
ratio. The 100/1 ratio that is hand mixed in the wing tanks is a back up to the
injector. If you hand mix the tanks to 50/1, you are jamming in an awful lot of
oil during the runup.
Again, somebody jump in quick on this statement if I've stepped on my
weeenie.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Oh I see Don. Actually, the worst time to increase oil to the mixture is
during breakin...it could "break it...in" :)
More oil is a good way to glaze the cylinder walls on a new motor. I have
performed the break-in procedure on several of my own Rotac 2-strokes and a
few for "the guys". My suggestion is: be firm. Water spray over the
radiators is OK...but you need to get this engine hot during break-in.
2-cents Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/30/04 6:15:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> spdrflyr@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> > 100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO.
> >
> > 100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to
oil. DO
> > NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per
oil. Do
> > not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a
mix
> > change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil,
or
> > 100:1
> >
> > Steve Cooper
> >
>
> Steve,
> I assumed we are talking about a 582 system that is "OIL INJECTED".
The
> oil injection system (properly vented) is going to be providing the 50/1
> ratio. The 100/1 ratio that is hand mixed in the wing tanks is a back up
to the
> injector. If you hand mix the tanks to 50/1, you are jamming in an awful
lot of
> oil during the runup.
> Again, somebody jump in quick on this statement if I've stepped on my
> weeenie.
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Oh I see Don. Actually, the worst time to increase oil to the mixture is
during breakin...it could "break it...in" :)
More oil is a good way to glaze the cylinder walls on a new motor. I have
performed the break-in procedure on several of my own Rotac 2-strokes and a
few for "the guys". My suggestion is: be firm. Water spray over the
radiators is OK...but you need to get this engine hot during break-in.
2-cents Steve
Steve,
Glad you came back on this. I'm about to depart for a week to Long
Island, NY and didn't want to leave with this thread hanging over my head.
It is my opinion that the 100/1 backup mixture should be added to the
wing tanks for two reasons. 1, It will provide enough oil to prevent engine melt
down in case the oil injection system is not working or trying to get initial
flow. 2. Will provide extra lubrication during the break-in period.
Mixing the backup to 50/1 along with the injection system will certainly
put a lot of oil in the works. Might work just fine. Don't know.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Flaperson Adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Flapperon deployment and the mixer bellcranks on the Models I - III
Foxes and Avids to the MK IV are the same. For some reason Denny had
the Fox set to give over 20 deg of deployment while Wilson (the designer
of the system) would only allow 15 deg. Wilson's reasons to restrict
deployment was to prevent the possibility of a stall of the down
deployed flapperon which would result in the effect of control
reversal. Also the flapperons develop a degree of negative
differential as they are deployed which becomes worse the greater the
deployment which really can mess up control response. Since this
usually occurrs when slow and low it can be exciting and really add a
lot of thrill to landing. Also, as was pointed out, beyond a certain
degree of deployment aileron action is restricted or even lost. I have
avoided the problem by restricting Tootie Mae to 10 deg. This is enough
to give a useful increase in lift without messing up the controls.
Jerry Liles
jimshumaker wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
>
>John,
>
>The starting position for setting up the flaperons is to install a 1" block
>on the leading edge of the wing at the outer end of the flaperon and tie a
>flat stick to the bottom of each flaperon so that is touches the block and
>the bottom on each flaperon. This is the flaps up starting position. They
>deploy up and down equally on each side. The down limit (flaps) is just
>above the point where they begin to restrict lateral stick travel. It is
>hard to see if they go up and down equally. It is preferred that the up
>travel is greater than the down travel as mentioned in a previous post.
>
>Jim Shumaker
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperson Adjustment
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]"
>>
>>
><john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com>
>
>
>>I heard from a fellow the other day that my flaperons aren't rigged
>>
>>
>properly (although I've been flying it for 7 years). He says that when one
>flaperon is down, the other should be up a similar amount? He says that one
>needed a picture along with the directions to properly rig the flaperons.
>When I received my kit in 91, Denny (Skystar) hadn't completed the
>directions. So, I didn't have a picture to help establish where the 11.5
>degree measurement was to be taken. Has anyone heard of this? What's a
>possible problem (I've turned 45 degrees in both directions without
>noticeable differences)?
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Clutch in 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Then that's just coupling by the motion of the air in the clutch, sort
of like the fluid couping in an automatic transmission torgue converter.
Jerry
jareds wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
>Jerry,
>You really set my mind at ease. Thankyou!!
>Not many clutches out there in the crew so good to know.
>Mine is rotating a bit at 2100 but i think it might be centrifigal since
>i can grab it and stop it with no friction!
>
>thanks again.
>
>Jerry Liles wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>>
>>Jared
>>I have the clutch on Tootie Mae. It is basically bullet proof with
>>almost nothing to wear out except theCup and the friction pads, and,
>>since they lock up tight they should suffer very little wear unless you
>>run the engine a lot at the RPM where they just begin to engage. The
>>cup is a massive piece of steel that would require an extraordinary
>>amount of wear to need replacement. The pads are replaceable and can be
>>checked by disassemblying the clutch disc and examining them for wear.
>>I would be surprised if they needed replacment at anything less than one
>>or two thousand hours. After the clutch takes far less abuse than one
>>on a car and look how long they last. My clutch engages at about 2300 -
>>2400 RPM. I idle at 2000 and there is no prop spin. It's wonderful!
>>Start the engine then walk around removing tiedowns and loading up while
>>she warms up, all without the prop flailing away.
>>
>>Jerry Liles
>>
>>jareds wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>>
>>>I have a C gearbox with a clutch in it. I NEVER see anyone on the list
>>>with one or any comments for that matter. How do you check for wear
>>>after a years flights or at how many hours?
>>>
>>>Also i've adjusted my idle to around 2100 and was wondering if there is
>>>a slight spin of prop due to centrifical force or whether those of you
>>>that have a clutch have a motionless prop?
>>>
>>>Jared
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
You should know that, unless the engine was carefully pickled and sealed
or was stored in the desert, there is probably some internal corrosion
and the crank seals are probably dry and will leak crankcase pressure.
Mine was stored for 7 years, I put 120 hours on her and had leaking oil
seals and sent it in for repair. The rod end roller bearings were just
about shot. Have someone open the engine and check it out and replace
the oil seals.
Jerry Liles
Marco Menezes wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
>
>My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime
this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started.
I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail
down. Other than that, anything else I should know?
>
>Marco Menezes
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
http://www.skystar.com/Service%20Letters/sl19a.htm
Read Skystar Service Bulletin 19A (above). Says to use 100/1 premix for
break-in of a 582.
Off to NY,
Don Smythe
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Subject: | Re: Flaperon control reversal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Michael,
Roll restriction can occur if the flapperons are deployed to the extent
that lateral motion of the stick is reduced. However, Dean Wilson, the
man responsible for the design of the Avid, and, therefore of the basic
design of the Kitfox, warned that excess flaps could result in stall of
the down deployed flapperon. He warned against more than 20 deg flaps
and restricted the Avid to 15 deg. These airplanes are better behaved
with less flaps anyway and I never go over 10 deg.
Jerry Liles
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>jimshumaker wrote:
>
>
>>I believe the restriction is because of roll "restriction", not control
>>reversal.
>>
>>
>
>Thanks for that, Jim. I don't know where I read or heard that the flaperons
>would reverse if exceeding 23 degrees but it may just be a "urban legend."
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Flaperson Adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Michael,
Couldn't agree more. A large part of the delight of these airplanes is
mastering the skills to fly them. It helps make one a pilot, not just
an airplane driver.
Jerry
Michel Verheughe wrote:
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>
>Jerry Liles wrote:
>
>
>>Basically you can't fly one of these airplanes smoothly without using your feet.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, I realise that, Jerry. I was once told that the Kitfox was not an easy
>plane. To which I answered that if I wanted to fly easy, I'd fly Scandinavian
>Airlines! :-)
>The Kitfox is fun to fly and using my feet is the way I should fly.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First start-up |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Steve is incorrect where the 582 has oil injection.
Don is correct. 100:1 gas to oil for break-in.
The 582 manual covers this.
bh
> > 100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO.
> >
> > 100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to oil. DO
> > NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per oil. Do
> > not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a mix
> > change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil, or
> > 100:1
> >
> > Steve Cooper
> >
>
> Steve,
> I assumed we are talking about a 582 system that is "OIL INJECTED". The
> oil injection system (properly vented) is going to be providing the 50/1
> ratio. The 100/1 ratio that is hand mixed in the wing tanks is a back up to
the
> injector. If you hand mix the tanks to 50/1, you are jamming in an awful lot
of
> oil during the runup.
> Again, somebody jump in quick on this statement if I've stepped on my
> weeenie.
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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Subject: | 912 ULS Spring Compresion test lever |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Does anyone out there have an 877 690 Rotax 912 valve spring test lever?
My early model 912 ULS has reached its mandatory valve spring compresion
test age of 600 hours. Does anyone have a test lever for sale or rent?
Jim Shumaker
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Subject: | Model III Flaperon adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
John,
The starting position for setting up the flaperons is to install a 1" block
on the leading edge of the wing at the outer end of the flaperon and tie a
flat stick to the bottom of each flaperon so that is touches the block and
the bottom on each flaperon. This is the flaps up starting position. They
deploy up and down equally on each side. The down limit (flaps) is just
above the point where they begin to restrict lateral stick travel. It is
hard to see if they go up and down equally. It is preferred that the up
travel is greater than the down travel as mentioned in a previous post.
Jim Shumaker
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