Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Wed 06/30/04


Total Messages Posted: 23



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     1. 01:11 AM - John King (Jeffrey Puls)
     2. 12:45 PM - First start-up (Marco Menezes)
     3. 12:59 PM - Re: First start-up (Ron)
     4. 01:18 PM - Re: First start-up (Rick)
     5. 01:41 PM - Re: First start-up (Fox5flyer)
     6. 02:28 PM - Re: Flaperon control reversal (Michel Verheughe)
     7. 02:35 PM - Re: SV: Flaperson Adjustment (Michel Verheughe)
     8. 04:28 PM - Re: First start-up (Marco Menezes)
     9. 04:49 PM - Re: John King (John E. King)
    10. 06:06 PM - Re: First start-up (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    11. 06:15 PM - Re: First start-up (Steve Cooper)
    12. 06:30 PM - Re: First start-up (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    13. 06:53 PM - Re: First start-up (Steve Cooper)
    14. 07:06 PM - Re: First start-up (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    15. 07:06 PM - Re: Flaperson Adjustment (Jerry Liles)
    16. 07:08 PM - Re: Clutch in 582 (Jerry Liles)
    17. 07:17 PM - Re: First start-up (Jerry Liles)
    18. 07:20 PM - 582 Break-In (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
    19. 07:24 PM - Re: Flaperon control reversal (Jerry Liles)
    20. 07:26 PM - Re: SV: Flaperson Adjustment (Jerry Liles)
    21. 09:06 PM - Re: First start-up (Bruce Harrington)
    22. 09:58 PM - 912 ULS Spring Compresion test lever (jimshumaker)
    23. 10:00 PM - Model III Flaperon adjustment (jimshumaker)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:11:27 AM PST US
    From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com>
    Subject: John King
    1.2 WHY_WAIT BODY: What are you waiting for 0.5 MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART Spam tool pattern in MIME boundary --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> John, I'm planning on flying my Fox to Oshkosh this year. Once you departed Marion, Ohio, what was your routing? Thanks, Jeff Classic IV Columbus, Ohio Jeffrey Puls pulsair@mindspring.com Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.


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    Time: 12:45:52 PM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? Marco Menezes ---------------------------------


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    Time: 12:59:57 PM PST US
    From: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net> Yes Marco, Make sure that you run a cooling water hose into the radiator during the break-in procedure. Without it the temps will go way too high. Take care, Ron N55KF model 2/582 > > My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? > > Marco Menezes


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    Time: 01:18:43 PM PST US
    From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
    Subject: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net> I would make sure it turns over smoothly by hand before you put the power to it. I would also recommend you do a pressure pre oiling since it has set so long. A bit of trouble but worth it in the long run. If you have an extra head gasket around I would pull the head or at least bore scope it. Not going a tractor you know. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" <rliebmann@comcast.net> Yes Marco, Make sure that you run a cooling water hose into the radiator during the break-in procedure. Without it the temps will go way too high. Take care, Ron N55KF model 2/582 > > My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? > > Marco Menezes


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    Time: 01:41:58 PM PST US
    From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> Pretty much go by the manual. It's self explanatory and is well charted for the break in procedure. One thing that helps greatly is to put in your tanks a mix of 50/1 2-stroke oil rather than straight gas. This way you don't have to worry about the oil pump and it also gives you an oil mixture right off the git go. As I recall, the early Denny builder manual suggested this. Keep your coolant temp below 180f and if it begins to go above it during break in, shut down and wait for things to cool a bit, then start up and resume where you left off. Setting up a water spray on the rad might help, but it takes a bit of a contraption to keep it there when the fan starts blowing. Hope this helps. Darrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: First start-up > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> > > My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? > > Marco Menezes > > > --------------------------------- > >


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    Time: 02:28:23 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Flaperon control reversal
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> jimshumaker wrote: > I believe the restriction is because of roll "restriction", not control > reversal. Thanks for that, Jim. I don't know where I read or heard that the flaperons would reverse if exceeding 23 degrees but it may just be a "urban legend." > Too much torque on the 582??? Yes... Ok, then it is torque that needs to be corrected with left aileron on the 582, then. I read somewhere that torque was a real problem with Spitfires in WWII. > Congratulations on your son's solo. Great too hear another dream is > fulfilled. Thanks. I just come back from the airfield where he flew ten touch and go in one hour. It was funny to see my plane flying without me! :-) Out of ten, he did 7 perfect landings. I can see that his 50 hours of glider, ten years ago, still sits in that young man. Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 02:35:21 PM PST US
    From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
    Subject: Re: Flaperson Adjustment
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> Jerry Liles wrote: > Basically you can't fly one of these airplanes smoothly without using your feet. Yes, I realise that, Jerry. I was once told that the Kitfox was not an easy plane. To which I answered that if I wanted to fly easy, I'd fly Scandinavian Airlines! :-) The Kitfox is fun to fly and using my feet is the way I should fly. Cheers, Michel do not archive


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    Time: 04:28:09 PM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> Thanks Rick. Could you describe how to do a "pressure pre oiling?" Rick <turboflyer@comcast.net> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" I would make sure it turns over smoothly by hand before you put the power to it. I would also recommend you do a pressure pre oiling since it has set so long. A bit of trouble but worth it in the long run. If you have an extra head gasket around I would pull the head or at least bore scope it. Not going a tractor you know. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" Yes Marco, Make sure that you run a cooling water hose into the radiator during the break-in procedure. Without it the temps will go way too high. Take care, Ron N55KF model 2/582 > > My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? > > Marco Menezes ---------------------------------


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    Time: 04:49:15 PM PST US
    From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
    Subject: Re: John King
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com> Jeff, From Marion, OH I fly direct to Rochester, IA (RCR), to Joliet, IL (JOT), to Dekalb, IL (DKB), to Poplar Grove, IL (C77), to Juneau, WI (UNU) and then to Oshkosh (OSH). You must enter Oshkosh via the towns of Ripon and Fisk. Go to the EAA website and download the Oshkosh NOTAMs for the approach procedures and frequencies. I can usually make it from Marion to Oshkosh without a fuel stop, but it is smart not to enter Oshkosh low on fuel. You may have to go into a holding pattern over Ripon if the air show is going on, or there is a lot of traffic. As a result I usually stop for fuel at Juneau or Poplar Grove. -- John King Warrenton, VA Jeffrey Puls wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair@mindspring.com> > >John, >I'm planning on flying my Fox to Oshkosh this year. Once you departed Marion, Ohio, what was your routing? Thanks, Jeff Classic IV Columbus, Ohio > > >Jeffrey Puls >pulsair@mindspring.com >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > >


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    Time: 06:06:57 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? Marco Menezes Marco, Someone said to put water "into" the radiator. I think they meant to say, put a "spray" of water onto the outside of the radiator during the runup. You will be able to get through most of the runup without the external spray. During the last few minutes of runup, you will most likely need the external spray to maintain coolant temps. Something you need to verify and I'm afraid to make judgment but, mix about 10 gallons of fuel to put in the wing/header tank to a ratio of 100/1. This will insure extra oil during the high speed runin. I saw that you should mix 50/1. I've always heard 100/1 for the breakin????????? CHECK THIS OUT AND VERIFY BEFORE YOU DO THE RUN-IN............... Watch the RPM's and don't go above 6800. Watch the coolant temps. Watch the EGT's... Etc............. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 06:15:01 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> 100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO. 100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to oil. DO NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per oil. Do not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a mix change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil, or 100:1 Steve Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie > the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? > > Marco Menezes > > > Marco, > Someone said to put water "into" the radiator. I think they meant to > say, put a "spray" of water onto the outside of the radiator during the runup. > You will be able to get through most of the runup without the external spray. > During the last few minutes of runup, you will most likely need the external > spray to maintain coolant temps. > Something you need to verify and I'm afraid to make judgment but, mix > about 10 gallons of fuel to put in the wing/header tank to a ratio of 100/1. > This will insure extra oil during the high speed runin. I saw that you should > mix 50/1. I've always heard 100/1 for the breakin????????? CHECK THIS OUT AND > VERIFY BEFORE YOU DO THE RUN-IN............... > Watch the RPM's and don't go above 6800. Watch the coolant temps. Watch > the EGT's... Etc............. > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >


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    Time: 06:30:46 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 6/30/04 6:15:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spdrflyr@earthlink.net writes: > 100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO. > > 100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to oil. DO > NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per oil. Do > not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a mix > change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil, or > 100:1 > > Steve Cooper > Steve, I assumed we are talking about a 582 system that is "OIL INJECTED". The oil injection system (properly vented) is going to be providing the 50/1 ratio. The 100/1 ratio that is hand mixed in the wing tanks is a back up to the injector. If you hand mix the tanks to 50/1, you are jamming in an awful lot of oil during the runup. Again, somebody jump in quick on this statement if I've stepped on my weeenie. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 06:53:07 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> Oh I see Don. Actually, the worst time to increase oil to the mixture is during breakin...it could "break it...in" :) More oil is a good way to glaze the cylinder walls on a new motor. I have performed the break-in procedure on several of my own Rotac 2-strokes and a few for "the guys". My suggestion is: be firm. Water spray over the radiators is OK...but you need to get this engine hot during break-in. 2-cents Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: First start-up > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 6/30/04 6:15:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > spdrflyr@earthlink.net writes: > > > > 100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO. > > > > 100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to oil. DO > > NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per oil. Do > > not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a mix > > change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil, or > > 100:1 > > > > Steve Cooper > > > > Steve, > I assumed we are talking about a 582 system that is "OIL INJECTED". The > oil injection system (properly vented) is going to be providing the 50/1 > ratio. The 100/1 ratio that is hand mixed in the wing tanks is a back up to the > injector. If you hand mix the tanks to 50/1, you are jamming in an awful lot of > oil during the runup. > Again, somebody jump in quick on this statement if I've stepped on my > weeenie. > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >


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    Time: 07:06:43 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Oh I see Don. Actually, the worst time to increase oil to the mixture is during breakin...it could "break it...in" :) More oil is a good way to glaze the cylinder walls on a new motor. I have performed the break-in procedure on several of my own Rotac 2-strokes and a few for "the guys". My suggestion is: be firm. Water spray over the radiators is OK...but you need to get this engine hot during break-in. 2-cents Steve Steve, Glad you came back on this. I'm about to depart for a week to Long Island, NY and didn't want to leave with this thread hanging over my head. It is my opinion that the 100/1 backup mixture should be added to the wing tanks for two reasons. 1, It will provide enough oil to prevent engine melt down in case the oil injection system is not working or trying to get initial flow. 2. Will provide extra lubrication during the break-in period. Mixing the backup to 50/1 along with the injection system will certainly put a lot of oil in the works. Might work just fine. Don't know. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 07:06:52 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
    Subject: Re: Flaperson Adjustment
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> Flapperon deployment and the mixer bellcranks on the Models I - III Foxes and Avids to the MK IV are the same. For some reason Denny had the Fox set to give over 20 deg of deployment while Wilson (the designer of the system) would only allow 15 deg. Wilson's reasons to restrict deployment was to prevent the possibility of a stall of the down deployed flapperon which would result in the effect of control reversal. Also the flapperons develop a degree of negative differential as they are deployed which becomes worse the greater the deployment which really can mess up control response. Since this usually occurrs when slow and low it can be exciting and really add a lot of thrill to landing. Also, as was pointed out, beyond a certain degree of deployment aileron action is restricted or even lost. I have avoided the problem by restricting Tootie Mae to 10 deg. This is enough to give a useful increase in lift without messing up the controls. Jerry Liles jimshumaker wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> > >John, > >The starting position for setting up the flaperons is to install a 1" block >on the leading edge of the wing at the outer end of the flaperon and tie a >flat stick to the bottom of each flaperon so that is touches the block and >the bottom on each flaperon. This is the flaps up starting position. They >deploy up and down equally on each side. The down limit (flaps) is just >above the point where they begin to restrict lateral stick travel. It is >hard to see if they go up and down equally. It is preferred that the up >travel is greater than the down travel as mentioned in a previous post. > >Jim Shumaker > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" <john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaperson Adjustment > > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "FREDERICKSON, JOHN L [AG/2067]" >> >> ><john.l.frederickson@monsanto.com> > > >>I heard from a fellow the other day that my flaperons aren't rigged >> >> >properly (although I've been flying it for 7 years). He says that when one >flaperon is down, the other should be up a similar amount? He says that one >needed a picture along with the directions to properly rig the flaperons. >When I received my kit in 91, Denny (Skystar) hadn't completed the >directions. So, I didn't have a picture to help establish where the 11.5 >degree measurement was to be taken. Has anyone heard of this? What's a >possible problem (I've turned 45 degrees in both directions without >noticeable differences)? > > > >


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    Time: 07:08:50 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
    Subject: Re: Clutch in 582
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> Then that's just coupling by the motion of the air in the clutch, sort of like the fluid couping in an automatic transmission torgue converter. Jerry jareds wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net> > >Jerry, >You really set my mind at ease. Thankyou!! >Not many clutches out there in the crew so good to know. >Mine is rotating a bit at 2100 but i think it might be centrifigal since >i can grab it and stop it with no friction! > >thanks again. > >Jerry Liles wrote: > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> >> >>Jared >>I have the clutch on Tootie Mae. It is basically bullet proof with >>almost nothing to wear out except theCup and the friction pads, and, >>since they lock up tight they should suffer very little wear unless you >>run the engine a lot at the RPM where they just begin to engage. The >>cup is a massive piece of steel that would require an extraordinary >>amount of wear to need replacement. The pads are replaceable and can be >>checked by disassemblying the clutch disc and examining them for wear. >>I would be surprised if they needed replacment at anything less than one >>or two thousand hours. After the clutch takes far less abuse than one >>on a car and look how long they last. My clutch engages at about 2300 - >>2400 RPM. I idle at 2000 and there is no prop spin. It's wonderful! >>Start the engine then walk around removing tiedowns and loading up while >>she warms up, all without the prop flailing away. >> >>Jerry Liles >> >>jareds wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net> >>> >>>I have a C gearbox with a clutch in it. I NEVER see anyone on the list >>>with one or any comments for that matter. How do you check for wear >>>after a years flights or at how many hours? >>> >>>Also i've adjusted my idle to around 2100 and was wondering if there is >>>a slight spin of prop due to centrifical force or whether those of you >>>that have a clutch have a motionless prop? >>> >>>Jared >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > >


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    Time: 07:17:34 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> You should know that, unless the engine was carefully pickled and sealed or was stored in the desert, there is probably some internal corrosion and the crank seals are probably dry and will leak crankcase pressure. Mine was stored for 7 years, I put 120 hours on her and had leaking oil seals and sent it in for repair. The rod end roller bearings were just about shot. Have someone open the engine and check it out and replace the oil seals. Jerry Liles Marco Menezes wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> > >My Model 2 Fox is about ready to fly. I hope to start the Rotax 582 UL sometime this long holiday weekend. This engine is 13 years old and has never been started. I've read the break-in directions several times and I know to tie the tail down. Other than that, anything else I should know? > >Marco Menezes > > >--------------------------------- > > > >


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    Time: 07:20:45 PM PST US
    From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
    Subject: 582 Break-In
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com http://www.skystar.com/Service%20Letters/sl19a.htm Read Skystar Service Bulletin 19A (above). Says to use 100/1 premix for break-in of a 582. Off to NY, Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 07:24:10 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
    Subject: Re: Flaperon control reversal
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> Michael, Roll restriction can occur if the flapperons are deployed to the extent that lateral motion of the stick is reduced. However, Dean Wilson, the man responsible for the design of the Avid, and, therefore of the basic design of the Kitfox, warned that excess flaps could result in stall of the down deployed flapperon. He warned against more than 20 deg flaps and restricted the Avid to 15 deg. These airplanes are better behaved with less flaps anyway and I never go over 10 deg. Jerry Liles Michel Verheughe wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> > >jimshumaker wrote: > > >>I believe the restriction is because of roll "restriction", not control >>reversal. >> >> > >Thanks for that, Jim. I don't know where I read or heard that the flaperons >would reverse if exceeding 23 degrees but it may just be a "urban legend." > > > >


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    Time: 07:26:31 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
    Subject: Re: Flaperson Adjustment
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> Michael, Couldn't agree more. A large part of the delight of these airplanes is mastering the skills to fly them. It helps make one a pilot, not just an airplane driver. Jerry Michel Verheughe wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> > >Jerry Liles wrote: > > >>Basically you can't fly one of these airplanes smoothly without using your feet. >> >> > >Yes, I realise that, Jerry. I was once told that the Kitfox was not an easy >plane. To which I answered that if I wanted to fly easy, I'd fly Scandinavian >Airlines! :-) >The Kitfox is fun to fly and using my feet is the way I should fly. > >Cheers, >Michel > > >


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    Time: 09:06:30 PM PST US
    From: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
    Subject: Re: First start-up
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net> Steve is incorrect where the 582 has oil injection. Don is correct. 100:1 gas to oil for break-in. The 582 manual covers this. bh > > 100:1 ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO, NO, NO. > > > > 100:1 is HALF the required oil. the 100 part is the amount of gas to oil. DO > > NOT DO THIS MY FRIEND!!!!You will be doubleing the amount of gas per oil. Do > > not screw with the mix ratio during breakin!!!! The ONLY time to make a mix > > change is if you go to some synthetic blends wich require half the oil, or > > 100:1 > > > > Steve Cooper > > > > Steve, > I assumed we are talking about a 582 system that is "OIL INJECTED". The > oil injection system (properly vented) is going to be providing the 50/1 > ratio. The 100/1 ratio that is hand mixed in the wing tanks is a back up to the > injector. If you hand mix the tanks to 50/1, you are jamming in an awful lot of > oil during the runup. > Again, somebody jump in quick on this statement if I've stepped on my > weeenie. > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >


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    Time: 09:58:59 PM PST US
    From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: 912 ULS Spring Compresion test lever
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> Does anyone out there have an 877 690 Rotax 912 valve spring test lever? My early model 912 ULS has reached its mandatory valve spring compresion test age of 600 hours. Does anyone have a test lever for sale or rent? Jim Shumaker


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    Time: 10:00:00 PM PST US
    From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Model III Flaperon adjustment
    --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> John, The starting position for setting up the flaperons is to install a 1" block on the leading edge of the wing at the outer end of the flaperon and tie a flat stick to the bottom of each flaperon so that is touches the block and the bottom on each flaperon. This is the flaps up starting position. They deploy up and down equally on each side. The down limit (flaps) is just above the point where they begin to restrict lateral stick travel. It is hard to see if they go up and down equally. It is preferred that the up travel is greater than the down travel as mentioned in a previous post. Jim Shumaker




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