---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/01/04: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - SV: Flaperon control reversal (Michel Verheughe) 2. 04:23 AM - Anyone have a motor mount for sale..KF IV..Rotax 912S (kitfoxjunky) 3. 07:27 AM - Rotax trade in program for 2 cycle engines (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 4. 07:07 PM - Re: SV: Flaperon control reversal (Jerry Liles) 5. 11:48 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:56 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Flaperon control reversal --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Jerry Liles [wliles@bayou.com] > Roll restriction can occur if the flapperons are deployed to the extent > that lateral motion of the stick is reduced. Thanks Jerry. Hum, wonder where I got it that the roll could be inverted if exceeding 23 degrees. Not that I can understand the physic of it, though, but I accepted it. In any case, my flaps are limited to 10 degrees, just like yours, Jerry. It's enough to do what I use it to: pitch control. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:10 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Anyone have a motor mount for sale..KF IV..Rotax 912S From: "kitfoxjunky" 07:19:53 AM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky" Thought I would check on the list before I order a new one from SkyStar. Gary Walsh www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox C-GOOT ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:59 AM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax trade in program for 2 cycle engines --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com Folks, I just saw this in the latest Propwash and thought it may be of some interest to those with 2 stroke engines. If you're not interested, just hit delete. Rick Weiss Rotax Upgrades Engine Trade-in Program Following up on an innovative trade-in program for Rotax two-stroke engine program, a new and far more aggressive version of that effort has just been announced. Engines traded in under this program will not be rebuilt, reused, or put back into service. Their serial numbers will be taken out of service as aircraft engines. Rotax hopes that the result will deplete the sport aviation market of old, tired, and worn-out "rebuilt" or "overhauled" engines. Rotax sourcres note that with the new sport aircraft category coming, that "With fresh engines on board it is our belief that recertified Light Sport Aircraft will be easy to transition and convey to any DAR inspecting them a feeling of confidence in the suitability of such an aircraft for the experimental light sport rating." Exchange program for type 532,582 and 618 engines Scope: To stimulate the market and assist the upcoming Sport Aircraft transitions a special offer will being on July 1, 2004. A type 582 DCDI engine, complete, with the carburetion and fuel pump, the exhaust, will be offered as replacement for exchange to all owners of the aircraft engine version type 532, 582 or 618. This will be regardless of age of the original engine or registration, as long as the serial number is found within the current database. Check with an Authorized Rotax Service Center to see if your serial number applies. No snowmobile serial numbers will be accepted for this exchange. To qualify The owner must ship, at his expense, all the required parts to the Service Center to remove this engine from service. The retention of any of the parts is not allowed. The parts to be returned are: The engine assembly, crankcase, cylinders and heads with ignition attached. The exhaust system complete The carburetors, fuel pump The recoil starter. (In the event the engine has only a magneto end electric start, the new engine will have the recoil removed for installation of the electric starter). The new type 582 engine must be registered at the time of sale by the Service Center for warranty to begin immediately, no deferral of start times. For engine types 532 trade in: The owner will pay $3838.00 USD to the Service Center, plus any shipping and handling of the new engine. Suggested retail = $4638. Trade in sale price = $3838 Effective date: July 1, 2004 Termination date: October 30, 2004 Exchange program for type 377 and 477 engines Scope: To stimulate the market and assist the upcoming Sport Aircraft transitions a special offer has been developed. A type 447 SCDI engine, complete, with the carburetion and fuel pump, the exhaust, will be offered as replacement for exchange to all owners of the aircraft engine version type 377 or 477. This will be regardless of age of the original engine or registration, as long as the serial number is found within the current database. No snowmobile serial numbers will be accepted for this exchange. Check with an Authorized Rotax Service Center to see if your serial number applies. To qualify The owner must ship, at his expense, all the required parts to the Service Center to remove this engine from service. The retention of any of the parts is not allowed. The parts to be returned are: The engine assembly, crankcase, cylinders and heads with ignition attached. The exhaust system complete The carburetors, fuel pump The recoil starter. (In the event the engine has only a magneto end electric start, the new engine will have the recoil removed for installation of the electric starter) The new type 477 engine must be registered at the time of sale by the Service Center for warranty to begin immediately, no deferral of start times. The owner will pay $1999.00 USD to the Service Center, plus any shipping and handling of the new engine. Suggested retail = $2465 Trade in sale price = 1999 Effective date: July 1, 2004 Termination date: October 30, 2004 Exchange program for type 503 engines Scope: To stimulate the market and assist the upcoming Sport Aircraft transitions a special offer has been developed. A type 503 SCDI engine, complete, with the carburetion and fuel pump, the exhaust, will be offered as replacement for exchange to all owners of the aircraft engine version type 503. This will be regardless of age of the original engine or registration, as long as the serial number is found within the current database. No snowmobile serial numbers will be accepted for this exchange. Check with an Authorized Rotax Service Center to see if your serial number applies. To qualify The owner must ship, at his expense, all the required parts to the Service Center to remove this engine from service. The retention of any of the parts is not allowed. The parts to be returned are: The engine assembly, crankcase, cylinders and heads with ignition attached. The exhaust system complete The carburetors, fuel pump The recoil starter. (In the event the engine has only a magneto end electric start, the new engine will have the recoil removed for installation of the electric starter) The new type 477 engine must be registered at the time of sale by the Service Center for warranty to begin immediately, no deferral of start times. The owner will pay $2500.00 USD to the Service Center, plus any shipping and handling of the new engine. Suggested retail = $3273.00 Trade in sale price = $2500.00 Effective date: July 1, 2004 Termination date: December 20, 2004 FMI: Please contact one of the following Authorized Kodiak Service Centers California California Power Systems: info@800-airwolf.com Florida Lockwood Aviation Supply: lockwood@digital.net Mississippi South Mississippi Light Aircraft: flysmla@datasync.com Wisconsin Leading Edge Air Foils: info@leadingedge-airfoils.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:03 PM PST US From: Jerry Liles Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Flaperon control reversal --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles Michael If the flaps are deployed to 23 deg with the stick neutral, that is no aileron input, then the side that moves down with aileron input will exceed 23 deg, and, under the right conditions of speed, bank, etc it is possible for it to stall and effectively result in roll reversal. Basically the flapperon is an airfoil and an airfoil will stall if it exceeds a certain angle of attack, frequently 15 deg. The location of the flapperons beneath and just behind the wing delays the flapperon stall to a much higher angle as it is in the downwash from the wing and it behaves much like a slotted flap. That's why the ailerons are still effective even when the main wing is stalled, however, the increase is not infinte and it is possible to stall the flapperon. Just stick them down too far, and get too slow, and turn a bit too steeply. Aileron response with flaps deployed beyond 15 degs is pretty poor anyway so why do it? Jerry Liles Michel Verheughe wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > > >>From: Jerry Liles [wliles@bayou.com] >>Roll restriction can occur if the flapperons are deployed to the extent >>that lateral motion of the stick is reduced. >> >> > >Thanks Jerry. Hum, wonder where I got it that the roll could be inverted if exceeding 23 degrees. Not that I can understand the physic of it, though, but I accepted it. >In any case, my flaps are limited to 10 degrees, just like yours, Jerry. It's enough to do what I use it to: pitch control. > >Cheers, >Michel > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:25 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kitfox-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. 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