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1. 05:01 AM - Kitfox cross country flying (Gill Levesque)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Kitfox cross country flying (Fox5flyer)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: Kitfox cross country flying (Jerry Liles)
4. 09:22 AM - Re: Kitfox cross country flying (Bruce Harrington)
5. 10:42 AM - Re: Kitfox cross country flying .. a fellow Canadian? (Aerobatics@aol.com)
6. 05:07 PM - Kitfox performance (Bruce Lina)
7. 08:16 PM - Re: Warp Drive Props (jimshumaker)
8. 10:00 PM - O-200 cooling (Petergleason@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Kitfox cross country flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Hi Guy's,
Yesterday I flew my fox on a 333 mile cross country flight ! Might not be significant
to some of you who regularly fly long distance! But to me it was a milestone!!
We,( flew 150 miles with a Challenger UL) flew under the Toronto control
zone and once clear, climbed above the bumpy stuff ( too much work at mid-day!!!)
to 6500 ft.! Glass smooth, and hands off flying!!! The view was outstanding!
With 40 hrs, on the fox I am starting to really enjoy it! Some questions
for 582 drivers!!
I cruise at 85mph @ 5800 rpm. Is this a normal cruise rpm setting for a 582-C with
the stock GSC prop?
I have tied to land with 10 -15 degrees of flaps and have no luck! The fox floats
forever and I can land shorter without!!!Whats the deal????
My fuel burn seems (?) to be about 5 gal.hr. Is that right? for a 582?
Thanks
Gil Levesque
Model 4 1050 582 C box
Strut fairings soon!
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox cross country flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> I cruise at 85mph @ 5800 rpm. Is this a normal cruise rpm setting for a
582-C with the stock GSC prop?
85 with a 582 is a pretty good speed depending on weight. You can expect to
pick up 5-8 mph once you get the struts faired.
> I have tied to land with 10 -15 degrees of flaps and have no luck! The
fox floats forever and I can land shorter without!!!Whats the deal????
Excess float often is a result of too much speed and/or prop pitch.
Generally, slipping works best to get it down steeply. As you practice
you'll find that there'll be times when you want to use flaps and times when
no-flap slips work best, and times where you'll use both, depending on load,
ambient, and different runway conditions. Also practice in getting approach
speed down to 1.3xVSo.
> My fuel burn seems (?) to be about 5 gal.hr. Is that right? for a 582?
> Thanks
> Gil Levesque
> Model 4 1050 582 C box
> Strut fairings soon!
You'll get many different "opinions" on this one (and those above), but my
experience was 4 gph overall once you get your jetting and prop pitch dialed
in. 58-5900 was my best cruising rpms. The engine just felt like it worked
best at that speed.
Congratulations on your fly-off.
Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox cross country flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Cruise sounds OK. Hard to say for certain as each plane is different
and the calibration of tach and ASI is often suspect.
As for the float on landing with flaps, you are landing too fast. Flaps
allow you to slow down, take advantage of it. Try more slow flight with
flaps in the landing configuration at altitude to get a feel for what
your airspeed should be and practice, practice, practice.
Oh yes, congratulations on the cross country flight. 333miles is
nothing to sneeze at in a 582 Fox.
Jerry Liles
Gill Levesque wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
>Hi Guy's,
>
> Yesterday I flew my fox on a 333 mile cross country flight ! Might not be significant
to some of you who regularly fly long distance! But to me it was a milestone!!
We,( flew 150 miles with a Challenger UL) flew under the Toronto control
zone and once clear, climbed above the bumpy stuff ( too much work at mid-day!!!)
to 6500 ft.! Glass smooth, and hands off flying!!! The view was outstanding!
With 40 hrs, on the fox I am starting to really enjoy it! Some questions
for 582 drivers!!
>
>I cruise at 85mph @ 5800 rpm. Is this a normal cruise rpm setting for a 582-C
with the stock GSC prop?
> I have tied to land with 10 -15 degrees of flaps and have no luck! The fox floats
forever and I can land shorter without!!!Whats the deal????
> My fuel burn seems (?) to be about 5 gal.hr. Is that right? for a 582?
>
> Thanks
> Gil Levesque
> Model 4 1050 582 C box
> Strut fairings soon!
>
>
>Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox cross country flying |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Gil,
Numbers are good (cruise speed at rpm, fuel burn).
I would suspect your 582 idle is a bit fast and causes the float on landing.
I always set my idle to about 1600-1700 rpm, and it made a big difference
landing.
For takeoff and landing, I used the same amount of flap (don't know what
degree).
Made it much simpler to do go arounds, touch-n-gos, etc.. The amount was enough
to have to stick fly in the pattern (not trimmed for hands off).
Hope this helps.
bh,
ex-n194KF, 582ed IV-1200, 800+ hrs
> Hi Guy's,
>
> Yesterday I flew my fox on a 333 mile cross country flight ! Might not be
significant to some of you who regularly fly long distance! But to me it was a
milestone!! We,( flew 150 miles with a Challenger UL) flew under the Toronto
control zone and once clear, climbed above the bumpy stuff ( too much work at
mid-day!!!) to 6500 ft.! Glass smooth, and hands off flying!!! The view was
outstanding! With 40 hrs, on the fox I am starting to really enjoy it! Some
questions for 582 drivers!!
>
> I cruise at 85mph @ 5800 rpm. Is this a normal cruise rpm setting for a 582-C
with the stock GSC prop?
> I have tied to land with 10 -15 degrees of flaps and have no luck! The fox
floats forever and I can land shorter without!!!Whats the deal????
> My fuel burn seems (?) to be about 5 gal.hr. Is that right? for a 582?
>
> Thanks
> Gil Levesque
> Model 4 1050 582 C box
> Strut fairings soon!
>
>
> Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox cross country flying .. a fellow Canadian? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
Congrats.... I was born and raised in Montreal ....
And also have a KF ...but a 2 with a 582 cruise at 80 at 5,500 to 5,600.
My strip is 850 feet and found the key is correct speeds. I now have about
250 or so hours flying it out of here..
Very cool flight!
Dave
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| Subject: | Kitfox performance |
1.9 DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours after Received: date
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Jeff, Flew with a passenger (180lb) and 18 gal of fuel and noticed better
TO and climb perf. Nothing startling , but a noticeable improvement. I
would guess that my grass TO run was 100 feet shorter and climb was not as
sluggish as before. Definitely need more testing but I am sure the proper
prop engine combo once we find it will do wonders. Bruce ----- Original
Message -----
From: <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Noisy strobes
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com"
<jeff.hays@aselia.com>
>
>
> Gill -
>
> I use unshielded twisted pair out to my strobes, and get absolutely
> no noise from my strobes at all. I would look at the following:
>
> If you have shielded wire out to the strobes, make sure it is only
> grounded at one end of the shield, this should be at the strobe
> power unit. Next thing, make sure that the strobe power comes from
> a separate bus than the avionics. You want the strobe power supply
> coming from as electrically close to the alternator/battery as
> possible. Then check to make sure you have a really REALLY good
> ground to the strobe power unit. Probably 14-16 AWG, or 12 even.
> Even better a strip of braided bonding wire would be best.
>
> Since you also mention a lot of other noise on the radio, I would
> be really suspicious of poor grounding throughout the system, also
> you want to make sure that all your power lines to your busses, etc
> are of sufficient size (i.e. think BIG)
>
> If these don't produce any results, you might have a really crappy
> power supply filter in the radio. This leaves you a couple alternatives.
> One is to get the radio serviced, the othe would be to put a power
> line filter right on the radio power line. A nice fruit juicy capacitor
> might be a really simple fix try a 10-50 microfarad ceramic, from the
> power lead to ground and see if that helps.
>
> (+12V Radio In)-----|10uF(------(-12V Radio Ground)-
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gill Levesque canpilot03@yahoo.ca
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Noisy strobes
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
>
> Hi all,
> I have a Kuntzleman dual strobe ,which I got used and it makes a heck of
a
> racket!!! My Radio is a panel mounted Delcom 960. Unless I suelch full, I
> get a terrible mix of engine noise and strobe noise! My KILL wires are
> sheilded! Other than that ,unicom always say!"GVL your radio is a FIVE"!!!
> ????? Any Ideas!!!
>
> Gil Levesque
> C-IGVL
>
>
> Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Sounds very good. Might be my next engine.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warp Drive Props
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > A used prop has to be awfully cheap to be a good deal. As you know,
each
> > prop has to be matched to each engine choice.
> >
>
>
> ...
> > Can the Jabiru take a big enough prop to reach around the cowl?
>
> The Jabiru can swing a 68" prop without tips going supersonic.
>
> > How much does the Jabiru weigh?
> 132 lbs (new version) 126 (old version-mine)
>
> >How does that compare to the 912?
> ...about 60 lbs lighter than the Rotax
>
> Steve Cooper
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Petergleason@aol.com
Hi All: I am looking for someone who has a O-200 in a Series V? Got mine
flying but having over heating problems oil and cylinder head temps. Suspect
airflow problem but bafling is tight. How big of an opening do you cut in the
bottom cowl? Mine now is flush with the firewall. Peter Gleason
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