---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/07/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Rutan - fluff (Fox5flyer) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: Kitfox cross country flying .. a fellow Canadian? (David Dawe) 3. 07:35 AM - Re: MEK Myths (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 4. 08:28 AM - Model 3 Main Gear Bungees (Steve Magdic) 5. 08:49 AM - Re: Rutan - fluff (Randy Daughenbaugh) 6. 09:07 AM - Re: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees (Fox5flyer) 7. 09:29 AM - Re: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees (Steve Magdic) 8. 09:53 AM - Re: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees (Dcecil3@aol.com) 9. 10:39 AM - Re: valve clearance on NSI Subaru EA 81 (Scott McClintock) 10. 12:02 PM - Re: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees (Steve Magdic) 11. 12:07 PM - Re: Anyone know a Jim Fahey (kitfoxjunky) 12. 02:06 PM - Flaired Tubing (Flybradair@cs.com) 13. 02:38 PM - Re: Flaired Tubing (W Duke) 14. 03:14 PM - Re: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees (flier) 15. 03:24 PM - Re: New Kitfox Owner (Roger McConnell) 16. 06:45 PM - Re: Rutan - fluff (Allan Aaron) 17. 07:33 PM - Re: Flaired Tubing (Grant Fluent) 18. 07:36 PM - Re: MEK, was: Fuel tank coating.Clifford (Ceashman@aol.com) 19. 07:38 PM - (Lmar) 20. 08:33 PM - Re: (David & Maria Lumgair) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:36 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rutan - fluff --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" http://www.rokits.org/gallery/slideshow.php?set_albumName=x-prize Check the above link for an awesome slide show of Rutan's spaceship venture. This is the ultimate in homebuilding. Darrel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:19 AM PST US From: "David Dawe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox cross country flying .. a fellow Canadian? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Dawe" I have a Kitfox 2 532 Any other owners in Eastern Caanda? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox cross country flying .. a fellow Canadian? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com > > Congrats.... I was born and raised in Montreal .... > And also have a KF ...but a 2 with a 582 cruise at 80 at 5,500 to 5,600. > > My strip is 850 feet and found the key is correct speeds. I now have about > 250 or so hours flying it out of here.. > > Very cool flight! > > Dave > > > > > > > > > ---- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:03 AM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MEK Myths --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com John, What a touching story. I'm left speechless. May God continue to bless Tom's family and yours. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:44 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees From: "Steve Magdic" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" Anyone out there have a set of replacement bungees for a Model 3 you would be willing to sell? SkyStar has me waiting 3 weeks for a new set. They can't contact their bungee supplier until the 12th to find out when they can receive stock which, in turn, holds them from telling me when to expect delivery. Thanks Steve Magdic Mod 3/4 Wing do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:00 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rutan - fluff --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Darrel, Thanks much! It is awesome! I note a Garmin GPS in the space ship. Also some duct tape holding a wire in place! ;-) Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Kitfox-List: Rutan - fluff --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" http://www.rokits.org/gallery/slideshow.php?set_albumName=x-prize Check the above link for an awesome slide show of Rutan's spaceship venture. This is the ultimate in homebuilding. Darrel do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:02 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Why don't you make your own Steve? It's pretty easy and you can buy the bungee cord from Aircraft Spruce. Darrel > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" > > Anyone out there have a set of replacement bungees for a Model 3 you would be willing to sell? > SkyStar has me waiting 3 weeks for a new set. They can't contact their bungee supplier until the > 12th to find out when they can receive stock which, in turn, holds them from telling me when to expect delivery. > > Thanks > Steve Magdic > Mod 3/4 Wing > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees From: "Steve Magdic" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" I have a replacement on one side that is working OK... so far. I didn't get it quite tight enough and don't like the cable clamps I chose to use. The factory pre-made swaged set just seems a lot easier to install. Steve M. -----Original Message----- From: Fox5flyer [mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us] Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Why don't you make your own Steve? It's pretty easy and you can buy the bungee cord from Aircraft Spruce. Darrel > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" > > Anyone out there have a set of replacement bungees for a Model 3 you would be willing to sell? > SkyStar has me waiting 3 weeks for a new set. They can't contact their bungee supplier until the > 12th to find out when they can receive stock which, in turn, holds them from telling me when to expect delivery. > > Thanks > Steve Magdic > Mod 3/4 Wing > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:41 AM PST US From: Dcecil3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Steve what about buying the stuff from Aircraft Spruce to make your own? I mean it's just a thought and they offer UPS next day air Best David Cecil KF859DC Model 3 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:16 AM PST US From: Scott McClintock Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: valve clearance on NSI Subaru EA 81 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock Clem, You need to rotate the engine in the direction that it runs in. Use a ratchet on the flywheel bolt or "bump it" with the ignition switch. It's pretty easy to tell when the piston is at TDC with all the spark plugs out. (make sure you have you main ign. switch off) You can use a TDC dial indicator or just use an ordinary lead pencil in the cylinder (eraser end in) to see when the piston has gotten to the top. (If one of the tappets are down, that's not TDC) This is not far removed from doing a compression check. You ARE checking this too I assume? Scott in Nome Clem Nichols wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" > > As part of my plane's annual, I wanted to check the valve clearance on my NSI Subaru EA 81 engine. The manual from NSI says that both the exhaust and intake valves should have .012" clearance between the tappet and the valve stem with the piston at top dead center on the compression stroke. My problem is, I don't know for certain how to tell which is the compression stroke. My only guides are the mark on the flywheel and the arrow in the bell-housing window. With the marks lined up, I have the correct gap, but if I rotate the flywheel 360 degrees, the gap is too large. The engine has electronic ignition, so I can't use the distributor as a guide. Furthermore, with the NSI PSRU I can only rotate the engine in the opposite direction it turns when running. The prop free-wheels when turned in the direction it does with the engine running. The engine was running just fine when I began adjusting on the valve clearance. I'm afraid that now I may have completely screwed th i! > ngs up. On 2 or 3 of the cylinders I have the correct clearance at TDC only with the adjustment screws turned all the way out. Then if I rotate the engine 360 degrees I have way too much clearance. I'm thinking that I should adjust the clearance when the gap is the greatest because that would be more in line with the way it was to begin with. Can anyone help me through this predicament? I would have gladly turned the whole thing over to the local A&P, but he seemed more interested in Continentals and Lycomings than Subarus. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Clem Nichols > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:25 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees From: "Steve Magdic" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" I checked their webstore and found bungee rings that might work out. Would have to purchase a set and see how many wraps I can get out of them. Maybe I'll try a 9/16" dia x 10" ring. At least I won't have to worry about the ends with these. I'll keep you posted on results. Thx, SM -----Original Message----- From: Dcecil3@aol.com [mailto:Dcecil3@aol.com] Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Steve what about buying the stuff from Aircraft Spruce to make your own? I mean it's just a thought and they offer UPS next day air Best David Cecil KF859DC Model 3 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Anyone know a Jim Fahey From: "kitfoxjunky" 03:07:26 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky" Thanks Marc. I have tried Sam before..but that number is disconnected. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:01 PM PST US From: Flybradair@cs.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaired Tubing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com Did you guys use thread sealant on the 37 degree flared tubing?(aluminum fuel line--copper primer line). Is it required or recommended? Thanks Brad Martin Wichita engine install 5-lyc ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:02 PM PST US From: W Duke Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaired Tubing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke I use no sealant on flared tubing. I had no copper line with the IO240. Maxwell Flybradair@cs.com wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com Did you guys use thread sealant on the 37 degree flared tubing?(aluminum fuel line--copper primer line). Is it required or recommended? Thanks Brad Martin Wichita engine install 5-lyc --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:10 PM PST US From: "flier" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Buy the bungee from Aircraft Spruce and use about 6 or 8 wraps of safety wire to make the loops. Secure the looped bungee in a vise and pull safety wire ends with pliers to get the wraps tight. Works like a charm and is a lot cheaper and faster. Regards, Ted --- Original Message --- From: "Steve Magdic" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" > >I have a replacement on one side that is working OK... so far. >I didn't get it quite tight enough and don't like the cable clamps >I chose to use. >The factory pre-made swaged set just seems a lot easier to install. > >Steve M. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fox5flyer [mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us] >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Model 3 Main Gear Bungees > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > >Why don't you make your own Steve? It's pretty easy and you can buy the >bungee cord from Aircraft Spruce. >Darrel > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" >> >> Anyone out there have a set of replacement bungees for a Model 3 you would >be willing to sell? >> SkyStar has me waiting 3 weeks for a new set. They can't contact their >bungee supplier until the >> 12th to find out when they can receive stock which, in turn, holds them >from telling me when to expect delivery. >> >> Thanks >> Steve Magdic >> Mod 3/4 Wing >> >> do not archive >> >> > > >_- ====================================================== ================== Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== ================== >_- ====================================================== ================== http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== ================== > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:29 PM PST US From: "Roger McConnell" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" Hi Guy, and welcome to the list. I had the opportunity to inspect Bob's plane when I went to see him in Dec. of '02. I was visiting my sister in Owasso at the time. It truly is a well built plane. He was very meticulous about everything on the plane and it showed. He really inspired me to do as good a job on my S7 that is currently on hold waiting for parts from SS. Please keep the list informed on your progress and let us know when you make the first flight. It should be soon I'd think. Also, post some jpgs. to Sport Flight so we can all see. Kind Regards Roger Mac N619RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: New Kitfox Owner --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Hello, My name is Guy Buchanan. I fairly recently purchased Bob Ducar's exquisite K-IV. From the list traffic I imagine that many of you know Bob and his Kitfox and can therefore understand my excitement at the opportunity to finish his project, hopefully in the same manner that it was started. As you may know, Bob's K-IV was nearly complete, missing only some detailing, about half the electrical system, and of course final inspection and test. I'll be on the list, but unfortunately will not be able to contribute much as I did not do much of the work. I will, however, offer that my professional background was in structural design, specifically in advanced composite structures, primarily for the yachting industry. I say was because for the last six years I've been a full time parent, taking care of my two kids. I can therefore entertain most questions having to do with child rearing and child care, as well as what I can remember of structural design. I will, of course, be asking lots of questions and will keep the list informed as I finish Bob's Kitfox. Thanks. Guy Buchanan ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rutan - fluff From: "Allan Aaron" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" Cool!! Its also got one of those timer clocks like the one I have in my avid ... pretty hi tech huh? Allan -----Original Message----- From: Randy Daughenbaugh [mailto:rjdaugh@rapidnet.com] Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rutan - fluff --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Darrel, Thanks much! It is awesome! I note a Garmin GPS in the space ship. Also some duct tape holding a wire in place! ;-) Randy . -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Kitfox-List: Rutan - fluff --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" http://www.rokits.org/gallery/slideshow.php?set_albumName=x-prize Check the above link for an awesome slide show of Rutan's spaceship venture. This is the ultimate in homebuilding. Darrel do not archive The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient(s), any retention, review, retransmission, disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying, printing, or other use of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited and without liability on our part. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender by replying and delete this email from any computer so that it is not recoverable. Technology Venture Partners does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:43 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flaired Tubing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Brad, No sealant is necessary on the 37 degree fittings. The flare creates the seal. Where I work we use a bunch of those in hydraulic systems with a working pressure of about 2000 psi with no leaks. Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV w/912S --- Flybradair@cs.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com > > Did you guys use thread sealant on the 37 degree > flared tubing?(aluminum fuel > line--copper primer line). Is it required or > recommended? > > Thanks > > Brad Martin > Wichita > engine install > 5-lyc > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:48 PM PST US From: Ceashman@aol.com Subject: Re: MEK, was: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating.Clifford --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com Hi Clifford. If you ask your wife about, say, oven cleaner and ammonia used together or individually. The answer is probably the same, keep well away. Any solvent MEK. Lacquer thinner and the like is very dangerous to our health. But only if we do not follow personal safety measures. Those people in industry that use these compounds have been around these solvents for a long time and as long as they have taken care of themselves, they are OK. it is when you do not wear protective gear that it is dangerous. It is kind of like flying an airplane, dangerous if you have not received the training. How many of us fuel up with 5 gallon tanks and pour this into the "KREEM" coated fuel tanks and get a buzz off of the gas fumes? We know we should be wearing a charcoal cartridge respirator. My 50c worth. Greetings, Eric Ashman. Classic IV, Atlanta e-mail; ceashman@aol.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:22 PM PST US From: Lmar Rule breakdown below pts rule name description --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar Can the "break away" sensitivity of the Maule be made LESS sensitive. Currently it full swivels with less than full application of rudder. I have checked it and it does not have a shim under the "horn part" (lack of a better word), but it does unlock prematurely. Thanks, Larry --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:25 PM PST US From: "David & Maria Lumgair" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rule breakdown below pts rule name description --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" Increase the tension of the springs. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lmar" > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar > > Can the "break away" sensitivity of the Maule be made LESS sensitive. Currently it full swivels with less than full application of rudder. I have checked it and it does not have a shim under the "horn part" (lack of a better word), but it does unlock prematurely. > Thanks, > Larry > > > --------------------------------- > >