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1. 01:42 AM - Re: WEIGHT AND BALANCE (Steve Zakreski)
2. 04:15 AM - Weight and Balance Calculator (Lmar)
3. 05:00 AM - Re: Weight and Balance Calculator (Mark Schindler)
4. 05:13 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Jose M. Toro)
5. 05:25 AM - Re: Warp Drive Props (Michel Verheughe)
6. 05:25 AM - Re: Fuel tank coating (Lowell Fitt)
7. 05:33 AM - Re: Fuel tank coating (Lowell Fitt)
8. 05:44 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Lowell Fitt)
9. 05:44 AM - Re: Warp Drive Props (Mark Schindler)
10. 05:54 AM - Re: Maule was Re: (Michel Verheughe)
11. 06:07 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Michel Verheughe)
12. 06:11 AM - OT: Far up north (Michel Verheughe)
13. 07:02 AM - Re: valve clearance on NSI Subaru EA 81 (Harold Flynn)
14. 07:05 AM - Re: OT: Far up north (Mark Schindler)
15. 07:14 AM - Re: WEIGHT AND BALANCE (Daniel Aller)
16. 07:24 AM - Re: OT: Far up north (Michel Verheughe)
17. 07:28 AM - Re: Fuel tank coating (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
18. 08:01 AM - Re: Fuel tank coating - Myth Busting. (jeff.hays@aselia.com)
19. 08:29 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Steve Cooper)
20. 08:31 AM - Re: New Kitfox Owner (Guy Buchanan)
21. 08:35 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Steve Cooper)
22. 08:41 AM - Stratus (Fox5flyer)
23. 08:42 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Steve Cooper)
24. 08:48 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Michel Verheughe)
25. 08:56 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Jose M. Toro)
26. 08:59 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Michel Verheughe)
27. 09:10 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Steve Cooper)
28. 09:59 AM - Re: Fuel tank coating - Myth Busting. (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
29. 10:14 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Mark Schindler)
30. 10:21 AM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Mark Schindler)
31. 12:27 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Steve Cooper)
32. 12:43 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Jose M. Toro)
33. 01:01 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Mark Schindler)
34. 01:33 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Michel Verheughe)
35. 02:52 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Mark Schindler)
36. 03:01 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Jose M. Toro)
37. 03:34 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Steve Cooper)
38. 03:35 PM - Jabiru engines (Clem Nichols)
39. 03:36 PM - Re: Jabiru Engines (Steve Cooper)
40. 04:56 PM - Re: WEIGHT AND BALANCE (Steve Zakreski)
41. 06:13 PM - Re: Stratus (Jerry Liles)
42. 07:43 PM - My new phone # and website (hausding, sid)
43. 07:48 PM - Re: Loss of Engine power! (Ray) (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
44. 09:30 PM - Re: Loss of Engine power! (Ray) (Bruce Harrington)
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Subject: | WEIGHT AND BALANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
I used the Skystar Vixen rear battery kit on my Classic IV. It puts the
battery under the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. I also have
the NSI CAP prop. Even with the battery in the tail, my CG is on the
forward limit. Nobody should even think of putting an NSI/CAP combination
on a IV without using this tail mounted battery kit. Otherwise you'll be
putting 20lbs of ballast in the tail. If I was doing it again, I would put
the ELT back there also.
See http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/Battery_Box_002.jpg
SteveZ
IV/NSI-EA81/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kirkhull@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: WEIGHT AND BALANCE
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I have a kitfox clasic IV with a suberu engine. I would like to move the
battery back to compensate for the increased weight of the engine before
covering. I was wondering if anybody else has this combo and how far back
they moved the battery.
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Subject: | Weight and Balance Calculator |
Kitfox <Kitfox-List@matronics.com>
Rule breakdown below
pts rule name description
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com>
Kirk,
I have attached a excell file that is a weight and balance calcultor for the
Avid. It works great. Just change the moments and weight for your airplane.
I find with a long wing Avid, the best c of g is at 14.0 (range 11.1-16.5) for
all flight regimes. Mine had been up near 12 and could get it in a good anding
attitude. With a 582, I have my battery clear back to the handles on the
side of the airplane, and my ELT aft of that. 5 # more of lead at the towbar
attach point makes it even better. I can use full flaps and still rotate to
touch tail first. Have fun with it.
For those on the list who want it,please email me seperately, as I don't think
that the list will accept attachments.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance Calculator |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
A link to Kitfox W&B http://www.sportflight.com/kfb/download.htm
Mark
Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar
Kirk,
I have attached a excell file that is a weight and balance calcultor for the Avid.
It works great. Just change the moments and weight for your airplane. I find
with a long wing Avid, the best c of g is at 14.0 (range 11.1-16.5) for all
flight regimes. Mine had been up near 12 and could get it in a good anding attitude.
With a 582, I have my battery clear back to the handles on the side of
the airplane, and my ELT aft of that. 5 # more of lead at the towbar attach point
makes it even better. I can use full flaps and still rotate to touch tail
first. Have fun with it.
For those on the list who want it,please email me seperately, as I don't think
that the list will accept attachments.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Steve:
Thanks for the information! Are you using the round cowling? What it takes to
provide adequate cooling using the round cowling? I'm considering to use a Jabiru
2200 as a replacement for a 582 in a Kitfox II. Manufacturer claims that
it is an adequate replacement for the 582. As far as I understand, the increase
in weight won't exceed 20 pounds. My plane weights 500 pounds with the 582,
and the gross weight is 950 pounds, so weight is an issue here.
Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
I have a 2200 installed in my Avid Mark IV Heavy Hauler and I love it. It is
so smooth. Fuel consumption is around 3.5 to 4.5 GPH. I bought my engine
used with only 5 hours on it...but it had supposedly been overheated so I
went ahead and rebuilt it. Factory support was top notch. A gasket set will
cost you $110 and a set of rings are$60. I had my crank polished and
magnafluxed and I also installed the new style 4340 rods. They were a bit
pricey...about $900. My cylinders has some minor oxydation so I had them
honed and re-ringed the pistons. I can tell you that the engine is built
like a watch. It is awsome. The quality is better than anything I've ever
worked on and I've overhauled a LOT of engine. You can have the heads,
pistons and barrels off the block in less than 2 hours.
I will tell you this...the MOST IMPORTANT THING about success or failure
with a Jabiru engine is the quality of your installation job and weather or
not you follow Jabiru's giudance for cooling. If you do that, you'll have a
great powerplant. If you try to re-engineer their stuff, thinking that your
way is better you'll be headed down the slippery slope. Good Luck!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro"
To:
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>
> To those of you who have experience with Jabiru engines, could you share
your experience? What do you think about performance of the Jabiru 2200 and
about the manufacturer support?
>
>
> Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> Eli-Lilly PR05
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello guys,
A bit delayed in my answers, I was a few days in Copenhagen.
Mark Schindler wrote:
> e-mail US Dealer Pete at Jabiru USA - he is pretty good guy and they sell a lot
of engines.
Thanks Mark, Jim and Steve. I'll buy my Jabiru here in Norway because I want
all the local support I may need. Next week-end, we have that big fly-in, in
the mountains, and there I will meet the Jabiru agent and a Kitfox IV that has
a Jabiru with 650 hours. His owner is very pleased and will tell me all I need
to know. That is ... if there is weather for flying next week-end. So far,
summer has been pretty rotten in south Norway. The best weather in Europe has
actually been in north Norway (Torgeir, are you there?) where a stable high
pressure has made temperature reach up to 30 degrees Celsius. Now, look at the
map to see on which latitude, north Norway is! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank coating |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Thanks Bruce, but still, my tanks were factory Kreemed and no problems with
flaking or peeling. They are 1992 - 1993 vintage with 7 years of fuel
contact.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Lina" <airlina@usadatanet.net>
>
> I will back up what Rick is saying about the tanks being made of a
different
> composite structure starting in the late 90's. I bought my Series 5 in May
> of 1999, and had concerns about the tank quality. I talked with one of the
> tech guys (when SS had real tech guys who were A&P's) either Mark Budak or
> Dan Hanson , can't recall and he assured me that I did not need to use the
> Kreem in my tanks as they were made of the same material as underground
fuel
> storage tanks.Personally ,I think the Kreem is does more trouble than
good.
> When I was at the Skystar facility when buying my plane, I found a ladder
> and looked in the tanks of the Series 5 demo that SS had built and could
see
> that the Kreem had started to come loose from the tanks.That convinced me
> not to use the stuff. Keep in mind that I use 100LL exclusively. -----
> Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > I respectfully agree with Don. I have the vintage tanks in question and
> see
> > no problems after 7 years and 600 hours.
> >
> > Risk if you have any personal information please let us in on it. It
> > doesn't really help giving strong advice and then withholding pertinent
> > evidence.
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Why take a chance, not worth all the work you have done. Get the new
> > tanks.
> > > I know.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick,
> > > We used to beat this thread to death. I never could find any firm
> > > evidence that the "new" tanks SS provided were made of anything
> different
> > from the
> > > "old" tanks. You have any info on this? Also, never did see anything
> > where
> > > the material in the old tanks was not suitable for gasoline. Anyway,
> when
> > did
> > > the "new" tanks hit the production schedule at SS?
> > > Don Smythe
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank coating |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Thanks Rick. As on my previous post, my tanks were delivered to me March
1993, factory Kreemed. Since January of this year - 5% ethanol. Still no
problems with Kreem. It has discolored a bit - yellowed, but I check
regularly when fueling by scraping with a screwdriver to check for softening
and always pull my finger strainers at the annual . I have never seen any
problems with Kreem breakdown.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Not sure where the strong advice observation came from, just my opinion. I
> don't remember the date. I did talk to SS years ago and was told about the
> difference in tank composition. Both tanks are strong, one is just more
> susceptible to alcohol in auto fuels. If you run 100LL not an issue. Let
me
> say it this way. If the tanks were mine "I" would not risk getting all the
> old sealer out. To many people have commented on residual sealant coming
out
> of the tanks for my likening. Yes, I suppose it can be done, but why would
> you, especially in light of the info received about the new spun tanks,
now
> that's a winner. I would love to run auto fuel though my turbo subaru, but
> don't dare due to the fiberglass tanks, old style pre 1994. My apologies
to
> the list for my previous short post on a serious subject.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> I respectfully agree with Don. I have the vintage tanks in question and
see
> no problems after 7 years and 600 hours.
>
> Risk if you have any personal information please let us in on it. It
> doesn't really help giving strong advice and then withholding pertinent
> evidence.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> >
> > Why take a chance, not worth all the work you have done. Get the new
> tanks.
> > I know.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > Rick,
> > We used to beat this thread to death. I never could find any firm
> > evidence that the "new" tanks SS provided were made of anything
different
> from the
> > "old" tanks. You have any info on this? Also, never did see anything
> where
> > the material in the old tanks was not suitable for gasoline. Anyway,
when
> did
> > the "new" tanks hit the production schedule at SS?
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jose, I am definitely not an expert on the Jabiru engines so take this info
for what it is worth. As posted, the Jabirus is a fine engine. My
understanding is that it develops it's peak horsepower at 3300 rpm. This
requires a shorter prop to avoid having the tips go supersonic at that
speed. As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop by
the larger round cowl.
A local friend has one on a Sonex and the Avids mentioned have a more
aerodynamic cowl.
For what it's worth.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Steve:
>
> Thanks for the information! Are you using the round cowling? What it
takes to provide adequate cooling using the round cowling? I'm considering
to use a Jabiru 2200 as a replacement for a 582 in a Kitfox II.
Manufacturer claims that it is an adequate replacement for the 582. As far
as I understand, the increase in weight won't exceed 20 pounds. My plane
weights 500 pounds with the 582, and the gross weight is 950 pounds, so
weight is an issue here.
>
> Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> I have a 2200 installed in my Avid Mark IV Heavy Hauler and I love it. It
is
> so smooth. Fuel consumption is around 3.5 to 4.5 GPH. I bought my engine
> used with only 5 hours on it...but it had supposedly been overheated so I
> went ahead and rebuilt it. Factory support was top notch. A gasket set
will
> cost you $110 and a set of rings are$60. I had my crank polished and
> magnafluxed and I also installed the new style 4340 rods. They were a bit
> pricey...about $900. My cylinders has some minor oxydation so I had them
> honed and re-ringed the pistons. I can tell you that the engine is built
> like a watch. It is awsome. The quality is better than anything I've ever
> worked on and I've overhauled a LOT of engine. You can have the heads,
> pistons and barrels off the block in less than 2 hours.
>
> I will tell you this...the MOST IMPORTANT THING about success or failure
> with a Jabiru engine is the quality of your installation job and weather
or
> not you follow Jabiru's giudance for cooling. If you do that, you'll have
a
> great powerplant. If you try to re-engineer their stuff, thinking that
your
> way is better you'll be headed down the slippery slope. Good Luck!
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jose M. Toro"
> To:
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> >
> > To those of you who have experience with Jabiru engines, could you share
> your experience? What do you think about performance of the Jabiru 2200
and
> about the manufacturer support?
> >
> >
> > Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> > Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> > Eli-Lilly PR05
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> Eli-Lilly PR05
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Props |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Michel
I've been to Narvik and Hmmerfest as well as to Bear Island and Spitzbergen (Svalbard
Island) - Norway is beautiful country - had I not settle in the US that
would have been my choice for a place to live.
Mark
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Hello guys,
A bit delayed in my answers, I was a few days in Copenhagen.
Mark Schindler wrote:
> e-mail US Dealer Pete at Jabiru USA - he is pretty good guy and they sell a lot
of engines.
Thanks Mark, Jim and Steve. I'll buy my Jabiru here in Norway because I want
all the local support I may need. Next week-end, we have that big fly-in, in
the mountains, and there I will meet the Jabiru agent and a Kitfox IV that has
a Jabiru with 650 hours. His owner is very pleased and will tell me all I need
to know. That is ... if there is weather for flying next week-end. So far,
summer has been pretty rotten in south Norway. The best weather in Europe has
actually been in north Norway (Torgeir, are you there?) where a stable high
pressure has made temperature reach up to 30 degrees Celsius. Now, look at the
map to see on which latitude, north Norway is! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Maule was RE: |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lmar wrote:
> I found a great site for the Maule
>
> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/Maule_Tailwheel.pdf
Thanks Larry. This is a definitive "must keep." Incidentally, I am considering
changing my hard wheel for a pneumatic one. I fly mostly from asphalt and the
hard wheel is ... a bit hard. Checking Aircraft Spruce, I see that these wheels
are not that expensive. Maybe a good Christmas gift, who knows! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop by
> the larger round cowl.
Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about it in
a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert." I'll
let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine and, if
I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round cowling for
another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | OT: Far up north |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mark Schindler wrote:
> I've been to Narvik and Hmmerfest as well as to Bear Island and Spitzbergen (Svalbard
> Island) - Norway is beautiful country - had I not settle in the US that would
have
> been my choice for a place to live.
Are you sure, Mark? North Norway is beautiful but it is so dark in the winter.
Imagine, waiting several months to see the sun again. Mind you, when we see now
on the TV people up north bathing in the sea ... it looks wonderful.
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: valve clearance on NSI Subaru EA 81 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Harold Flynn <hflynn46531@yahoo.com>
Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message
posted by: Scott McClintock
Clem,
You need to rotate the engine in the direction that it runs in. Use a ratchet on
the flywheel bolt or "bump it" with the ignition switch.
It's pretty easy to tell when the piston is at TDC with all the spark plugs out.
(make sure you have you main ign. switch off) You can use a TDC dial indicator
or just use an ordinary lead pencil in the cylinder (eraser end in) to see
when the piston has gotten to the top. (If one of the tappets are down, that's
not TDC)
This is not far removed from doing a compression check. You ARE checking this too
I assume?
Scott in Nome
Clem Nichols wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
>
> As part of my plane's annual, I wanted to check the valve clearance on my NSI
Subaru EA 81 engine. The manual from NSI says that both the exhaust and intake
valves should have .012" clearance between the tappet and the valve stem with
the piston at top dead center on the compression stroke. My problem is, I don't
know for certain how to tell which is the compression stroke. My only guides
are the mark on the flywheel and the arrow in the bell-housing window. With
the marks lined up, I have the correct gap, but if I rotate the flywheel 360
degrees, the gap is too large. The engine has electronic ignition, so I can't
use the distributor as a guide. Furthermore, with the NSI PSRU I can only rotate
the engine in the opposite direction it turns when running. The prop free-wheels
when turned in the direction it does with the engine running. The engine
was running just fine when I began adjusting on the valve clearance. I'm afraid
that now I may have completely screwed th
i!
> ngs up. On 2 or 3 of the cylinders I have the correct clearance at TDC only with
the adjustment screws turned all the way out. Then if I rotate the engine
360 degrees I have way too much clearance. I'm thinking that I should adjust the
clearance when the gap is the greatest because that would be more in line with
the way it was to begin with. Can anyone help me through this predicament?
I would have gladly turned the whole thing over to the local A&P, but he seemed
more interested in Continentals and Lycomings than Subarus. Any help will be
greatly appreciated.
>
> Clem Nichols
>
This is the method that Lance at NSI gave me for adjusting valves on the EA81.Start
with a cold engine.Looking at the engine from the cocpit turn the engine
clockwise from the pully on rear of engine. Start with any cyclinder. Turn the
crank untill the intake valve starts to close, then adjust the exhast valve to
.012.Then continue to rotate the crank untill the exhast valve starts to open
then adjust the intake valve to .012. Then go to next cyclinder. I have used
this method for five years now My engine will turn over 6200 rpms so I think
this must be the right way to do it.
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Subject: | Re: OT: Far up north |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
I was there in the middle of summer - once we crossed Polar Circle 24 hours day
light.
I guess Northern Norway has long polar days as well.
Mark
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Mark Schindler wrote:
> I've been to Narvik and Hmmerfest as well as to Bear Island and Spitzbergen (Svalbard
> Island) - Norway is beautiful country - had I not settle in the US that would
have
> been my choice for a place to live.
Are you sure, Mark? North Norway is beautiful but it is so dark in the winter.
Imagine, waiting several months to see the sun again. Mind you, when we see now
on the TV people up north bathing in the sea ... it looks wonderful.
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: WEIGHT AND BALANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
SteveZ
I have a classic IV with my CG on the forward limit also.What is your empty
weight CG and loaded forward and aft CG? Can you land it tail first? I am
waiting for FAA inspection to test fly. DAN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WEIGHT AND BALANCE
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> I used the Skystar Vixen rear battery kit on my Classic IV. It puts the
> battery under the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. I also have
> the NSI CAP prop. Even with the battery in the tail, my CG is on the
> forward limit. Nobody should even think of putting an NSI/CAP combination
> on a IV without using this tail mounted battery kit. Otherwise you'll be
> putting 20lbs of ballast in the tail. If I was doing it again, I would
put
> the ELT back there also.
> See http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/Battery_Box_002.jpg
>
> SteveZ
> IV/NSI-EA81/CAP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> kirkhull@sbcglobal.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: WEIGHT AND BALANCE
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have a kitfox clasic IV with a suberu engine. I would like to move the
> battery back to compensate for the increased weight of the engine before
> covering. I was wondering if anybody else has this combo and how far back
> they moved the battery.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: OT: Far up north |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mark Schindler wrote:
> I guess Northern Norway has long polar days as well.
Yep, the famous midnight sun, Mark. And that's why Norway has the best
strawberries in the world. Because the strawberry doesn't need much heat, only
much light to get sweet and delicious. The more north you go, the longest the
day will be ... after the spring solstice, of course.
So, Strawberry Field shouldn't be in Liverpool or NY's Central Park, but in
north Norway! Ha! Take that, John Lennon! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank coating |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don,,, Isn't the idea of sealing to prevent auto gas from eating at the
fiberglass, causing new leaks??? bob U.
Bob U.
IMHO, absolutely NOT. The Kreeme has one purpose in life and only one.
It is to prevent gasoline from leaking out of the tank due to pin holes in the
tank. As was pointed out, Kreeme was designed for metal motorcycle tanks
that leaked due to rust spots or pin holes.
I've heard the argument over the years about the NEW/OLD SS fiberglass
tanks and how Kreeme was supposed to be the big fix for the so called OLD tanks
and not necessary in the NEW tanks. Again, Kreeme has nothing to do with
protecting the fiberglass from gasoline or alcohol rot. Think about it, would
you trust a gasoline tank that would dissolve if allowed to be touched with
gasoline? The Kreeme misses many spots in a tank...If Kreeme was protecting the
fiberglass then Kitfox's would be falling out of the sky daily due to those
many missed spots.
I have no doubt that maybe SS came out with a new material in the late
90's but the old material was still OK for gasoline.
Another comment about the tanks. I received mine in Sep of 95. They
were Kreemed at the factory and started cracking about 6 months after I received
them. I completely "cut open" my tanks to remove the Kreeme and do some other
mods. One thing for sure, simple sloshing with MEK/Acetone does "NOT"
magically dissolve all the Kreeme. I had to do some serious scrubbing in the
corners and baffles to get all that junk out. That's when I discovered that MEK
and
Acetone are very close in their devolving abilities.
Another point...My tanks were Kreemed by either spraying or brushing
before they were epoxied together. This was quite evident by the presence of
masking tape lines inside the tank. Therefore, sloshing of these tanks with
Kreeme (even diluted with MEK) will be difficult to get a nice even coat on every
little crack and crevice on the insides. Especially with the baffle plates.
Last point...We have beat this subject to death many times. However,
there are always new members coming on the list and we will occasionally have to
beat it again. Nothing wrong with that.
Don Smythe
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank coating - Myth Busting. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jeff.hays@aselia.com" <jeff.hays@aselia.com>
Here's the Kreem description from their website, quite clearly
stating fiberglass:
"Kreem Fuel Tank Liner is designed for use as a preventive maintenance
product in metal and fiberglass tanks, new or old; containing gasoline,
gasohol, or diesel. Kreem Fuel Tank Liner has a unique formulation with
extremely rapid set-up, that arrests corrosion, prevents leakage from
hairline cracks and seam pinholes by coating the tank's inner surface with a
fuel resistant elastometer. Feel confident using gasohol in your tank coated
with Kreem Fuel Tank Liner as methyl or ethyl alcohol have no effect on the
coating."
I think it is also another "Old Kitfox Wives" tale, that it is for
motorcycle tanks. I bet the Ag industry uses it more than anybody,
for tractor's, combine's, etc.
I think the Kreem peeling issues have a lot more to do with Skystar's
poor quality control, and process, than to do with Kreem. If I hadn't
reworked my quick build wings, they probably would have fallen apart
as well ... That had to be the most shoddy workmanship I have ever
seen, the way they slapped on the structural adhesive (i.e. no fillet's,
poor surface prep, etc.). Not to mention that my wings were not even
built straight either.
Jeff
Original Message:
-----------------
From: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel tank coating
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don,,, Isn't the idea of sealing to prevent auto gas from eating at the
fiberglass, causing new leaks??? bob U.
Bob U.
IMHO, absolutely NOT. The Kreeme has one purpose in life and only one.
It is to prevent gasoline from leaking out of the tank due to pin holes in
the
tank. As was pointed out, Kreeme was designed for metal motorcycle tanks
that leaked due to rust spots or pin holes.
I've heard the argument over the years about the NEW/OLD SS fiberglass
tanks and how Kreeme was supposed to be the big fix for the so called OLD
tanks
and not necessary in the NEW tanks. Again, Kreeme has nothing to do with
protecting the fiberglass from gasoline or alcohol rot. Think about it,
would
you trust a gasoline tank that would dissolve if allowed to be touched with
gasoline? The Kreeme misses many spots in a tank...If Kreeme was
protecting the
fiberglass then Kitfox's would be falling out of the sky daily due to
those
many missed spots.
I have no doubt that maybe SS came out with a new material in the late
90's but the old material was still OK for gasoline.
Another comment about the tanks. I received mine in Sep of 95. They
were Kreemed at the factory and started cracking about 6 months after I
received
them. I completely "cut open" my tanks to remove the Kreeme and do some
other
mods. One thing for sure, simple sloshing with MEK/Acetone does "NOT"
magically dissolve all the Kreeme. I had to do some serious scrubbing in
the
corners and baffles to get all that junk out. That's when I discovered
that MEK and
Acetone are very close in their devolving abilities.
Another point...My tanks were Kreemed by either spraying or brushing
before they were epoxied together. This was quite evident by the presence
of
masking tape lines inside the tank. Therefore, sloshing of these tanks
with
Kreeme (even diluted with MEK) will be difficult to get a nice even coat on
every
little crack and crevice on the insides. Especially with the baffle plates.
Last point...We have beat this subject to death many times. However,
there are always new members coming on the list and we will occasionally
have to
beat it again. Nothing wrong with that.
Don Smythe
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
My advice is to check with Jabiru (Pete K. @ Jabiru USA or Jim M. at Jabiru
Pacific) for specific cowling requirements. I do not have the round cowl.
Yes! the Jabiru is very light. It will make a terrific powerplant for you.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Steve:
>
> Thanks for the information! Are you using the round cowling? What it
takes to provide adequate cooling using the round cowling? I'm considering
to use a Jabiru 2200 as a replacement for a 582 in a Kitfox II.
Manufacturer claims that it is an adequate replacement for the 582. As far
as I understand, the increase in weight won't exceed 20 pounds. My plane
weights 500 pounds with the 582, and the gross weight is 950 pounds, so
weight is an issue here.
>
> Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> I have a 2200 installed in my Avid Mark IV Heavy Hauler and I love it. It
is
> so smooth. Fuel consumption is around 3.5 to 4.5 GPH. I bought my engine
> used with only 5 hours on it...but it had supposedly been overheated so I
> went ahead and rebuilt it. Factory support was top notch. A gasket set
will
> cost you $110 and a set of rings are$60. I had my crank polished and
> magnafluxed and I also installed the new style 4340 rods. They were a bit
> pricey...about $900. My cylinders has some minor oxydation so I had them
> honed and re-ringed the pistons. I can tell you that the engine is built
> like a watch. It is awsome. The quality is better than anything I've ever
> worked on and I've overhauled a LOT of engine. You can have the heads,
> pistons and barrels off the block in less than 2 hours.
>
> I will tell you this...the MOST IMPORTANT THING about success or failure
> with a Jabiru engine is the quality of your installation job and weather
or
> not you follow Jabiru's giudance for cooling. If you do that, you'll have
a
> great powerplant. If you try to re-engineer their stuff, thinking that
your
> way is better you'll be headed down the slippery slope. Good Luck!
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jose M. Toro"
> To:
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> >
> > To those of you who have experience with Jabiru engines, could you share
> your experience? What do you think about performance of the Jabiru 2200
and
> about the manufacturer support?
> >
> >
> > Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> > Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> > Eli-Lilly PR05
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> Eli-Lilly PR05
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | New Kitfox Owner |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Roger,
It really is beautiful. And simple. And light. Just the way I wanted it.
I'm looking forward to flying it.
Guy
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
mine.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop
by
> > the larger round cowl.
>
> Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
it in
> a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
I'll
> let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
> Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
and, if
> I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
cowling for
> another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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Rule breakdown below
pts rule name description
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Does anybody know if Stratus is still in the business of producing Subaru
conversions? Mykel Templeman bought the business a couple years ago and I
haven't heard squat since then. Anybody have any first hand feedback?
Darrel
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I just wanted to add...The Norway Jabiru guys performed one of the most
exhaustive tests using the Jabiru/Warp prop combination. They found that the
68" Warp prop works best on the jabiru. Warp prop worked very closely during
the testing providing farious combinations of prop blades and length. Their
results were pretty spectacular. The aircraft used was a Kitfox.
steve
PS. I don't have the link anymore...but if you hunt I'm sure you can find
the results of the testing which were published on the WEB.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop
by
> > the larger round cowl.
>
> Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
it in
> a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
I'll
> let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
> Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
and, if
> I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
cowling for
> another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Cooper wrote:
> My advice is to check with Jabiru (Pete K. @ Jabiru USA or Jim M. at Jabiru
> Pacific) for specific cowling requirements. I do not have the round cowl.
... which brings me to the question I have hesitated to ask: Can I put a Kitfox
smooth cowling on my model 3?
The round cowl is, in fact, 4 parts. How is the smooth one?
I was just looking at the new Rans super 6 that our club bought as a training
plane. Although it has a Rotax 582 in it, the cowl is made for air-cooled boxer
engine: Two holes, one for each cylinder head row, and under, the half-circle
opening with lips to suck out the air.
That's what I should have with a Jabiru, isn't it? Although I like to "rotary"
look of the round cowl, I'd rather have what is best for my engine. Peaceful
flying is first, looks are only secondary.
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Steve:
Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it rotates
the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
mine.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop
by
> > the larger round cowl.
>
> Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
it in
> a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
I'll
> let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
> Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
and, if
> I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
cowling for
> another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Cooper wrote:
> Their results were pretty spectacular. The aircraft used was a Kitfox.
Hum! Things start making sense here, Steve. Yes, I remember reading on a
Swedish Kitfox site the reference to "Norwegian prop testing."
The Kitfox used must then be the one from Morten, the guy I'll meet next
week-end. BTW, he told me on the phone that he flew his Kitfox to North Cape
and back. Since he is the neighbour of the Jabiru retailer, in Sola,
Stavanger's airport, it means the entire length of Norway, as long as Oslo to
Rome in Italy. Looks like Kitfox + Jabiru = good. ;-)
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I think you would be more than happy with the combination! It's nice to have
a resource nearby that you can verify. |Good hunting!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Steve Cooper wrote:
> > Their results were pretty spectacular. The aircraft used was a Kitfox.
>
> Hum! Things start making sense here, Steve. Yes, I remember reading on a
> Swedish Kitfox site the reference to "Norwegian prop testing."
> The Kitfox used must then be the one from Morten, the guy I'll meet next
> week-end. BTW, he told me on the phone that he flew his Kitfox to North
Cape
> and back. Since he is the neighbour of the Jabiru retailer, in Sola,
> Stavanger's airport, it means the entire length of Norway, as long as Oslo
to
> Rome in Italy. Looks like Kitfox + Jabiru = good. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank coating - Myth Busting. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/9/04 8:02:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jeff.hays@aselia.com writes:
> I think it is also another "Old Kitfox Wives" tale, that it is for
> motorcycle tanks. I bet the Ag industry uses it more than anybody,
> for tractor's, combine's, etc.
I talked directly with a Rep at the Kreeme Company several years ago. They
told me point blank that the material was originally designed for "SMALL"
motorcycle tanks. However, it is also widely used in old tractors. I own a Ford
8N and find it mentioned in several web sites. I also think that the Kreeme
folks have updated their ad site. It didn't used to mention fiberglass. Also,
when I talked with them, they had no knowledge of ever talking to SS about the
use of Kreeme in our large flat tanks. At least, that is what they said.
They also indicated that it would be near impossible to "slosh" our tanks
properly. They agreed that mixing 50/50 with MEK might be a possible solution.
>
> I think the Kreem peeling issues have a lot more to do with Skystar's
> poor quality control, and process, than to do with Kreem. If I hadn't
> reworked my quick build wings, they probably would have fallen apart
> as well ... That had to be the most shoddy workmanship I have ever
> seen, the way they slapped on the structural adhesive (i.e. no fillet's,
> poor surface prep, etc.). Not to mention that my wings were not even
> built straight either.
Amen on the poor quality of the tanks. When I cut mine open I found the same
lack of quality. The large holes in the baffles looked like they were
stamped out. Had large chucks of raw fiberglass just hanging like dingle berries.
Don Smythe
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Check this site http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm looks like the owner found a better prop.
Mark
"Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
Steve:
Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it rotates
the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
Steve Cooper wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
mine.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop
by
> > the larger round cowl.
>
> Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
it in
> a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
I'll
> let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
> Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
and, if
> I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
cowling for
> another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Correction - I guess you prop was tested on a different airplane - sorry.
"Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
Steve:
Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it rotates
the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
Steve Cooper wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
mine.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop
by
> > the larger round cowl.
>
> Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
it in
> a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
I'll
> let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
> Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
and, if
> I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
cowling for
> another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
No. Not the link I was referring to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schindler" <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
>
> Check this site http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm looks like the owner
found a better prop.
>
> Mark
>
> "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>
> Steve:
>
> Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
>
> I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it
rotates the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
>
> Steve Cooper wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
> close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
> mine.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> >
> > Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed
prop
> by
> > > the larger round cowl.
> >
> > Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
> it in
> > a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
> I'll
> > let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the
Warp
> > Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
> and, if
> > I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
> cowling for
> > another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
> Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> Eli-Lilly PR05
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Mark:
My prop (with the 582) goes left handed when looking from the pilot seat. What
direction it goes in the Jabiru engine?
Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler
Check this site http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm looks like the owner found a better prop.
Mark
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
Steve:
Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it rotates
the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
Steve Cooper wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
mine.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop
by
> > the larger round cowl.
>
> Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
it in
> a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
I'll
> let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
> Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
and, if
> I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
cowling for
> another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
---------------------------------
---------------------------------
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
---------------------------------
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Jabiru turns to the right - direct drive.
"Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Jose M. Toro"
Mark:
My prop (with the 582) goes left handed when looking from the pilot seat. What
direction it goes in the Jabiru engine?
Mark Schindler wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler
Check this site http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm looks like the owner found a better prop.
Mark
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
Steve:
Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it rotates
the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
Steve Cooper wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
mine.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed prop
by
> > the larger round cowl.
>
> Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
it in
> a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
I'll
> let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the Warp
> Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
and, if
> I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
cowling for
> another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
---------------------------------
---------------------------------
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Steve Cooper wrote:
> No. Not the link I was referring to.
Could it be this? Go to:
http://hem.passagen.se/lgk-alv/index.htm
Click on "Propellar" tben click on "proptest"
Cheers,
Michel
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
scroll down
Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
"Steve Cooper"
No. Not the link I was referring to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schindler"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler
>
> Check this site http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm looks like the owner
found a better prop.
>
> Mark
>
> "Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>
> Steve:
>
> Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
>
> I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it
rotates the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
>
> Steve Cooper wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
> close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
> mine.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> >
> > Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed
prop
> by
> > > the larger round cowl.
> >
> > Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
> it in
> > a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
> I'll
> > let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the
Warp
> > Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
> and, if
> > I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
> cowling for
> > another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
> Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> Eli-Lilly PR05
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Could I get a smooth cowling that fits a Kitfox II?
Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
Mark Schindler
scroll down
Steve Cooper wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
No. Not the link I was referring to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schindler"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler
>
> Check this site http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm looks like the owner
found a better prop.
>
> Mark
>
> "Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>
> Steve:
>
> Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
>
> I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582, it
rotates the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
>
> Steve Cooper wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
> close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68" on
> mine.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michel Verheughe"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> >
> > Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed
prop
> by
> > > the larger round cowl.
> >
> > Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more about
> it in
> > a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian expert."
> I'll
> > let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the
Warp
> > Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that engine
> and, if
> > I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
> cowling for
> > another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> >
>
>
> Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> Eli-Lilly PR05
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
---------------------------------
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
---------------------------------
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Yes Michel, that is the page I was referring to. I saved it again...thanks!
:)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Steve Cooper wrote:
> > No. Not the link I was referring to.
>
> Could it be this? Go to:
> http://hem.passagen.se/lgk-alv/index.htm
>
> Click on "Propellar" tben click on "proptest"
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
With all this talk about Jabiru engines, does anyone know of a Kitfox anywhere
with a Jab 3300 on it?
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Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I know. I found your correction. No problem.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schindler" <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
>
> scroll down
>
> Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:--> Kitfox-List message posted
by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> No. Not the link I was referring to.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schindler"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler
> >
> > Check this site http://www.jabiru.no/PropTest.htm looks like the owner
> found a better prop.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > "Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
> >
> > Steve:
> >
> > Would a 2 blade Warp prop work better than a three blade?
> >
> > I'm currently using a Warp 68" 3 blade. Anyway, since it is for a 582,
it
> rotates the opposite direction, and I would not be able to use the blades.
> >
> > Steve Cooper wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> >
> > Jose, don't worry...the Jabiru will turn a 68" prop at 3300 and not get
> > close to supersonic. Tip speed is just fine. I have a Warp 2-blade 68"
on
> > mine.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michel Verheughe"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru Engines
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> > >
> > > Lowell Fitt wrote:
> > > > As I recall, using it on the round cowled Kitfox the performance is
> > > > disappointing due to the blanking of the much of the shorter bladed
> prop
> > by
> > > > the larger round cowl.
> > >
> > > Yes, this is also my main concern, Lowell and Jose. I'll know more
about
> > it in
> > > a week, after meeting the Jabiru with round cowling "Norwegian
expert."
> > I'll
> > > let you know his opinion. This is also the reason why I wait with the
> Warp
> > > Drive prop. Proper cooling is of the utmost importance with that
engine
> > and, if
> > > I need, I'll get the prop that is most suited, even change my round
> > cowling for
> > > another one ... if that is possible ... is it?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Michel
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Jos M. Toro, P.E.
> > Computer Systems Validation Engineer
> > Eli-Lilly PR05
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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Subject: | WEIGHT AND BALANCE |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Dan
My empty weight for my Classic IV is a hefty 825 lbs. It has just about
every option including CAP and a full vacuum system. I don't remember the
empty CG, but I think it was something like 10.5". Since it starts at the
forward limit, any people/fuel/baggage moves the CG back, so as long as I
stay under the gross weight (OK close to the GW) I'm within the envelope. I
have never had a problem doing a 3 point landing as far as elevator control
is concerned, but with the forward CG, it does sink quite fast on approach,
and tend to float a bit once in ground effect due to the extra speed I carry
on approach. Not a problem for my flying. I'm working on rearranging some
things to get the CG back a bit.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Aller
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WEIGHT AND BALANCE
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Daniel Aller" <daller1@zoominternet.net>
SteveZ
I have a classic IV with my CG on the forward limit also.What is your empty
weight CG and loaded forward and aft CG? Can you land it tail first? I am
waiting for FAA inspection to test fly. DAN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Zakreski" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WEIGHT AND BALANCE
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
>
> I used the Skystar Vixen rear battery kit on my Classic IV. It puts the
> battery under the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer. I also have
> the NSI CAP prop. Even with the battery in the tail, my CG is on the
> forward limit. Nobody should even think of putting an NSI/CAP combination
> on a IV without using this tail mounted battery kit. Otherwise you'll be
> putting 20lbs of ballast in the tail. If I was doing it again, I would
put
> the ELT back there also.
> See http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/Battery_Box_002.jpg
>
> SteveZ
> IV/NSI-EA81/CAP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> kirkhull@sbcglobal.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: WEIGHT AND BALANCE
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I have a kitfox clasic IV with a suberu engine. I would like to move the
> battery back to compensate for the increased weight of the engine before
> covering. I was wondering if anybody else has this combo and how far back
> they moved the battery.
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
THe Stratus website is still up and running. Try this url:
http://www.stratus2000.homestead.com/
The engine has worked very well for John Larsen in his Airdale/Pursang.
Jerry Liles
Fox5flyer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>Does anybody know if Stratus is still in the business of producing Subaru
>conversions? Mykel Templeman bought the business a couple years ago and I
>haven't heard squat since then. Anybody have any first hand feedback?
>
>
>
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Subject: | My new phone # and website |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
this is my friend and I would appreciate it if everyone would just look at
his site.........my favor and one for him too.........he was a commercial
pilot and now is facing reality and economics by getting into a business by
himself.............life is such a bitch.
anyway, take a look,
Sid
---------do not archive
Hello to all!
Just a note to let everyone know that I have changed my phone # (again).
The new # is 336-675-2490. Some of you may not know that
I have PERMANENTLY changed my residence to Burlington, NC. I have decided
to give up my addiction to aviation in an attempt to live a more
normal (and stable) lifestyle. Right now I am helping my Dad sell real
estate and working as a waiter at night (got to pay the bills somehow).
I may do some aerial photography for my Dad's clients and a few other
realtors from time to time, but that's about all the flying I plan to do.
In other news, I have started my own online shopping web site (look out
Amazon)! Please take the time to visit and tell me what you think.
Be sure to compare my prices with those at www.epinions.com . I think you
will find that my prices are very competitive with "the big boys" and
in many cases I can beat their prices big time! Even if you are not
interested in shopping at my store, it would really help me out if you just
browsed a bunch of pages. This helps my web traffic #'s and will allow me
to make more advertising $$$. If you REALLY like what you see you can
become an affiliate under me and build your own store and sell your own
products, AT NO COST TO YOU! Or you can pay a start up fee of $65 and
an annual fee of $45 and become an INDEPENDENT store owner. Either way, it
s an easy way to make some extra cash and doesn't take up much
of your time. Please pass on my website address to your friends! Oh yeah,
my web address is www.shopdanfords.com
That's it for now. Hope everyone has a great summer!
Rob
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
-------------- Original message from Ceashman@aol.com: --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> Hello Ray.
>
> I had a problem with very rough running on my 912 UL. Very lucky I was not
> flying, in fact I had just changed the oil and filter. On start up - very
> difficult and could hardly keep the engine running smooth. At low RPM, it
> shuddered
> to a halt.
>
> In dismay, I thought it would be an electrical fault and would cost$$$ and
> for the life of me could not understand why!
> My wife, looking over my shoulder with a fresh pair of eyes suddenly points
> to the cross carburetor tube (aluminum) and asks why it is not connected at one
> end, where it meets the short hose, to connect it to one of the carbs.
> How could I have missed this? Sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees
> I replaced the hose for a slightly longer piece, tightened the hose clamps
> and started the motor. The 912 and the Warp Drive fired up and spun very
> smoothly and I have a mental note now to check the security of a couple more
> items
> before flight. I don't know, but this could be the problem!
>
> Hope it doesn't cost too much to fix.
> Eric Ashman. Classic IV, Atlanta
>
> e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
>
>
>
> Hi and thanks for the response! I found several problems that I have fixed,
one was a clogged fuel cap vent thanks to a mud dauber! the other was I removed
the inline fuel filters and shut off valves. The other thing I did was insure
my fuel lines run down hill!! I checked my fuel line to the gascalator and fuel
flowed fine. I also checked my carb bowls and they were fine. I will do
a test run on the ground this sunday 07/11/04 in the three point attitude, and
also at an incline. Full run up and see what happens.
Thanks
Ray
>
>
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Hello Ray.
I had a problem with very rough running on my 912 UL. Very lucky I was not
flying, in fact I had just changed the oil and filter. On start up - very
difficult and could hardly keep the engine running smooth. At low RPM, it
shuddered
to a halt.
In dismay, I thought it would be an electrical fault and would cost$$$ and
for the life of me could not understand why!
My wife, looking over my shoulder with a fresh pair of eyes suddenly points
to the cross carburetor tube (aluminum) and asks why it is not connected at one
end, where it meets the short hose, to connect it to one of the carbs.
How could I have missed this? Sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees
I replaced the hose for a sli
ghtly longer piece, tightened the hose clamps
and started the motor. The 912 and the Warp Drive fired up and spun very
smoothly and I have a mental note now to check the security of a couple more
items
before flight. I don't know, but this could be the problem!
Hope it doesn't cost too much to fix.
Eric Ashman. Classic IV, Atlanta
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
==========================================================
====================
Hi and thanks for the response! I found several problems that I have fixed, one
was a clogged fuel cap vent thanks to a mud dauber! the other was I removed
the inline fuel filters and shut off valves. The other thing I did was insure
my fuel lines run down hill!! I checked my fuel line to the gascalator and fuel
flowed fine. I also checked my carb bowls and they were fine. I will do a test
run on the ground this sunday 07/11/04 in the three point attitude, and also
at an incline. Full run up and see what happens.
Thanks
Ray
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Ray,
I put a thin piece of AL in the vent hole to prevent many bugs from entering
both the fuel vent and the pitot tube. Slight taper and shove it in.
bh
> > Hi and thanks for the response! I found several problems that I have fixed,
one was a clogged fuel cap vent thanks to a mud dauber! the other was I removed
the inline fuel filters and shut off valves. The other thing I did was insure my
fuel lines run down hill!! I checked my fuel line to the gascalator and fuel
flowed fine. I also checked my carb bowls and they were fine. I will do a test
run on the ground this sunday 07/11/04 in the three point attitude, and also at
an incline. Full run up and see what happens.
>
> Thanks
> Ray
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