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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors (Gill Levesque)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: Com Antenna (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 06:16 AM - Re: Com Antenna (Lowell Fitt)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (RICHARD HUTSON)
7. 07:12 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 08:27 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
9. 08:34 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Steve Cooper)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (kurt schrader)
11. 08:52 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper)
12. 08:52 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Dcecil3@aol.com)
13. 08:53 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Bob Unternaehrer)
14. 08:56 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper)
15. 09:04 AM - (gjglh@itlnet.net)
16. 09:41 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
17. 09:44 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Michel Verheughe)
18. 09:51 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
19. 09:55 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
20. 10:10 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Don Pearsall)
21. 10:19 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (kurt schrader)
22. 10:25 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (kurt schrader)
23. 10:39 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (kurt schrader)
24. 10:47 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (Howard Firm)
25. 10:51 AM - Re: (kurt schrader)
26. 11:11 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (kurt schrader)
27. 11:55 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (Howard Firm)
28. 12:37 PM - Engine noise in the radio (Michel Verheughe)
29. 12:56 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
30. 02:24 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Michel Verheughe)
31. 02:25 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Lowell Fitt)
32. 03:38 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper)
33. 03:43 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (dwight purdy)
34. 03:50 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Grant Fluent)
35. 03:52 PM - Sparta Fly In (Fox5flyer)
36. 04:00 PM - Purple Monster 2 Pictures (Howard Firm)
37. 04:01 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (dwight purdy)
38. 04:02 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper)
39. 04:14 PM - Kitfox Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent)
40. 05:47 PM - Re: Com Antenna ()
41. 05:49 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... ()
42. 05:55 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
43. 06:01 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
44. 06:05 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
45. 06:18 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Aerobatics@aol.com)
46. 06:30 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (Don Pearsall)
47. 06:37 PM - Re: Com Antenna ()
48. 07:18 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (Howard Firm)
49. 07:35 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (RICHARD HUTSON)
50. 07:47 PM - Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage (Rick)
51. 07:50 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Steve Cooper)
52. 07:54 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (RICHARD HUTSON)
53. 08:08 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
54. 08:23 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
55. 10:23 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Bruce Harrington)
56. 10:29 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors (Bruce Harrington)
57. 10:31 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Bruce Harrington)
58. 10:56 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (jimshumaker)
59. 11:12 PM - Re: Maule tire replacement question (jimshumaker)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque <canpilot03@yahoo.ca>
Don,
Can you elaborate on your carb adjustment process for those of us less informed?
Also can you tell me what rpm you run at idle( ie: short final)? I float an
awful lot on landing!!!
Thanks
Gil Levesque
Model 4 1050-582
45hrs. and begining to really enjoy
the Fox
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/16/04 5:55:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomasleekf@comcast.net writes:
> to the carburetors and showed me the difference of reading in the two
> gauges at 2000 and 3000 rpm. He then adjusted one side of the throttle
> cable to bring the two readings the same.
>
Thanks, I just gotta try this method to see the difference...Today, Glenn
Horne and I did the break-in on his new 582. We used my method of inserting a
smooth socket into the throat of the carb and adjusting the slides. His engine
ran smooth as silk but, still wonder if using the vacuum method isn't ever
better.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/16/04 6:55:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
my93avid@yahoo.com writes:
> Don,
>
> What is the consequence of an inside antenna?
>
> Thanks,
>
I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good reception. I
used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the antenna plate
just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling a hole
in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/16/04 7:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final Hurdle!
>
Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is due
in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting one?
Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy???
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don,
Can you elaborate on your carb adjustment process for those of us less
informed? Also can you tell me what rpm you run at idle( ie: short final)? I float
an awful lot on landing!!!
Thanks
Gil Levesque
Model 4 1050-582
45hrs. and begining to really
enjoy the Fox
Gil,
I open the throttle until I can take a small "smooth" socket and slide it
gently into the throat of the carb (between bottom of the slide and the
bottom of the carb). Use the throttle vernier to fine adjust until the socket
just
barley rubs (sort of like using a feeler gauge to adjust plug gap. Then
insert the socket into the other carb and adjust the linkage on top until you get
the same fit. This puts both carbs at exactly the same opening with a
particular throttle setting. You can then use a larger socket for rechecking the
opening at a higher throttle setting.
You are supposed to set the idle RPM's at 2000. After my overhaul, the
idle started to creep up as the engine broke in. Soon, the idle was about
2300. At 2300, I noticed it was harder to land without floating. Reset to 2000
after break-in.
However, the C box seems to rattle at 2000 so I warm up the engine
around 2500. All rattle goes away around 2800. We did the initial run-in on Glenn
Horn's 582 yesterday and his gear box rattle worked exactly the same as mine.
This procedure seems to work just fine but I would still like to know if
the scientific method would be better.
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Larry, for me I would encourage you to go as planned. The proof is in the
pudding. If you go this way and provide radio check reports to the list we
will all know if it works, especially guys like me that put the ELT antenna
internally.
I have mine behind the turtle deck without a ground plane and get reports of
the best signal in our fleet of eight who fly regularly together. Regarding
ground planes, the interface between the plated brass hardware, a piece of
aluminum and the steel fuselage brings up the dissimilar metals issues and
all that has to offer. This keeps me from the ground plane idea especially
after hearing my signal reports. I do have a Bendix King com radio though,
and don't know if that is a factor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lmar" <my93avid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com>
>
> I currently use a handheld with a "rubber ducky" antenna that comes with
it. Are there any advantages to use a "real" antenna? I was considering
mounting in the fuselage on the underside of the luggage compartment floor.
>
> Knows nothing,
> Larry
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night. Plus
we don't know what day if will become effective.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule
Clears Fi...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/16/04 7:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> >
> > Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final
Hurdle!
> >
>
> Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is
due
> in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting
one?
> Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy???
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night. Plus
we don't know what day if will become effective.
Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the impression
that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need for the
medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to fly at night.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Don,
That may be the case in the near future. I would wait until the rule is
published and we know exactly what it says. The original rulemaking had
provisions to limit flying to day VFR without the medical, but the final version
could be different. Heck, if your only visit to the doctor for the year is your
flight physical it might be worth a few bucks for the checkup.
Later,
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Don, my advice is to go ahead and get one more physical...if you can pass
it...but, you don't want to be denied. If you think you might have problems
passing it then I wouldn't take it. The next step is to see the Sport Pilot
rule published in the Federal Register...which should be just a few days.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule
Clears Fi...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/16/04 7:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> >
> > Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final
Hurdle!
> >
>
> Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is
due
> in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting
one?
> Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy???
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Don and the List,
Here is a site that explains the main points,
including medical, in plain language:
<http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/index.html>
It is the Sportflight site (as you can read) and it
lists eligable aircraft, etc too. Good quick ref.
Kurt S.
--- Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Guys...Sport Pilot got approved!!! It will now
> be printed in the
> Federal Register after a couple days and at that
> time we can see the
> final rule. Go to: www.eaa.org for more information.
>
>
> Steve Cooper
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I was discussing Sport Pilot with EAA'r Ron Wagner not too long ago and
he noted that there has been a weight increase over the origional 1232lb
gross in the final rule which may also affect stall and max cruise
speed. I'm pretty sure that the list of applicable aircraft will be
expanding. I'd like to see it include the 85 & 100 HP J-3 STOL
conversion...really nice planes I saw at the West Coast Cub Fly-in at
Lompoc last weekend.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Don and the List,
Here is a site that explains the main points,
including medical, in plain language:
<http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/index.html>
It is the Sportflight site (as you can read) and it
lists eligable aircraft, etc too. Good quick ref.
Kurt S.
--- Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Guys...Sport Pilot got approved!!! It will now
> be printed in the
> Federal Register after a couple days and at that
> time we can see the
> final rule. Go to: www.eaa.org for more information.
>
>
> Steve Cooper
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Come on guys .We can do the " If the Frog had wings" thing all day.Let them
Publish the rule .Heck you might need your drivers Lic. or, you might need a
letter from the Vatican (knowing the FAA) sorry a little Pontious Pilot Humor
.
Anyway Lets wait and see what the actual rule is .Virginia will Prob>require
a medical and want you to park it upside down in the hanger .Yea they 're
out in the forfront when it comes to not so great thinking concerning aircraft
Best David Cecil
KF3 859DC
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
I would presume that any kitfox above a Mod IV doesn't qualify anythow. Is
that correct. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule
Clears Fi...
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>
> You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night.
Plus
> we don't know what day if will become effective.
>
>
> Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the impression
> that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need for
the
> medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to fly
at night.
>
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I was discussing Sport Pilot with EAA'r Ron Wagner not too long ago and
he noted that there has been a weight increase over the origional 1232lb
gross in the final rule which may also affect stall and max cruise
speed. I'm pretty sure that the list of applicable aircraft will be
expanding. I'd like to see it include the 85 & 100 HP J-3 STOL
conversion...really nice planes I saw at the West Coast Cub Fly-in at
Lompoc last weekend.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
--> <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Don and the List,
Here is a site that explains the main points,
including medical, in plain language:
<http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/index.html>
It is the Sportflight site (as you can read) and it
lists eligable aircraft, etc too. Good quick ref.
Kurt S.
--- Steve Cooper <spdrflyr@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Guys...Sport Pilot got approved!!! It will now
> be printed in the
> Federal Register after a couple days and at that
> time we can see the
> final rule. Go to: www.eaa.org for more information.
>
>
> Steve Cooper
__________________________________
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net
Can anyone tell me the best wat to get rid of engine noise in my
radio.
Gary Henderson
Oklahoma
Spdster912ls
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don, my advice is to go ahead and get one more physical...if you can pass
it...but, you don't want to be denied. If you think you might have problems
passing it then I wouldn't take it. The next step is to see the Sport Pilot
rule published in the Federal Register...which should be just a few days.
Steve
You have found me out....Since my last flight physical, I had a "SLIGHT"
touch of high blood pressure plus high Cholesterol. As a result, I have lost 50
lbs through diet and on Cholesterol medication. BP is back good with no
medication. I kind of hate to bring all this to a flight examiners's attention
if I
don't have to. As you pointed out, why take the chance of getting denied?
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> Here is a site that explains the main points,
> including medical, in plain language:
> <http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/index.html>
I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one mention of any attempt to
international co-operation. In Europe, we work hard to get a joint "microlight"
rule. If the US is playing alone, it won't help.
You will probably say: "Yes but, in Europe, you can easily fly from one country
to another, while the US is so wide." True, but I am thinking about the
manufacturing of light aircraft. If you have 560 kg MTOW and we have 450, it
won't help anybody. Things are though enough as they are. E.g. if you want to
import a new microlight plane in Norway, it has to be type approved and it
costs a lot of money. Unless it is already approved in Sweden and/or Germany.
... does that makes sense? Why not France, UK, Moldavia, Luxemburg ...? Are the
aviation authorities smarter in Sweden or Germany? Or is it just another
bureaucratic imbecility?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
> Here is a site that explains the main points,
> including medical, in plain language:
>
>
I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying in
Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book
endorsement".
Who provides the training and who endorses the book?
Don Smythe
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I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one mention of any attempt to
international co-operation. In Europe, we work hard to get a joint
"microlight"
rule. If
Michel,
I have 5 acres next door for sale if you're interested. Ha,,,,we almost
have enough room for a runway....
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Don,
Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the
Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of
Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could
receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor.
But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the
SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add
a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just
take the written and practical tests?
Don Pearsall
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
> Here is a site that explains the main points,
> including medical, in plain language:
>
>
I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying
in
Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book
endorsement".
Who provides the training and who endorses the book?
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Howard,
This has been a year of KitFox frustration for me too
Howard,
I still agree with the others. You are a little lean.
At times, mine is barely enough when set full rich
too. I am not sure I like these Ellisons.
I've had little time off for the plane and when I did,
it has been mostly bad news. That is why I haven't
been here much. I did install the pressure regulator
and it failed doing static tests before I ever ran the
engine. I took it apart and found that its failure
blocked all fuel flow. Since there is no failsafe
operations for it, I removed it again. Perhaps 2
parallel redundant setups would be OK, or maybe there
is a failsafe regulator out there somewhere.
My fwd fuel pump was giving only 1.5 psi or so at max
continuous, so I upgraded to a stronger pump with the
pressure regulator. Now I have a 6 psi pump
unregulated and can't turn on my B/U pump without
hitting 9+ psi. What can these carbs take without
failure?
I can see the advantage of constant pressure (if I can
get it) with the Ellison carbs using my fuel/air ratio
gauge. I really like using that gauge. EGT only
shows more or less lean from your previous mixture
setting, whatever that was. It is hit and miss and
only gives a trend. This gauge shows whether you are
rich or lean at any moment almost instantly. You can
see at what RPM a carb adjustment works and when it
doesn't. As you saw, the idle adjustment doesn't help
for higher RPM hesitation.
My F/A gauge will jump, even off scale rich or lean,
with slow minor throttle changes. I can tweek it for
every setting, then check the EGT for effect. At
times I can pull my mixture all the way out and the
engine still runs. Other times it is just barely
enough all the way in. I can see why we burn valves
not knowing how far the mixture varies in normal ops.
Unfortunately, my F/A gauge is intermittant and I
can't find the problem, unless it is the probe. That
is a problem because the welder got my exhaust wrong
twice and I have to pull the whole exhaust to change
the F/A probe. I don't want to spend another $250 for
a third welding mistake.
Then my right strobe power unit went out after only 12
hrs of ops. I spent a lot of hopeful trouble shooting
for a bad connection, but it was the unit itself.
Still, I am getting an Aeroflash rebuilt unit for only
$47 plus shipping. :-)
My header tank drain began a major leak. At least a
deep 1/2" socket got to it without pulling the tank
and everything needed to get to it. Now the header
tank has a leak at a weld. Third weld to go on it.
My nice interior is gas stained and I still had
to open everything up.
By now I wish I was a welder. I could fix this and
the exhaust. As it is, I am fixing other's mistakes,
plus my own. Nothing new, right?
The good news is that I painted my header tank in gas
soluable red paint. Easy to find the leaks. It is
where the bubbled paint or bare metal is. Maybe I
should have painted it with Kream on the outside
instead? Ha ha.
This year the first man who was going to build my wing
strut fairings for me, died in a plane crash. The
second just had his wife almost die and is out of it
for at least 2 months to care for her. I need a good
cheap foam cutter....
I fixed my CAP 140 prop change slop only to crimp the
internal wires and break a brush. Got all but the
brush fixed. The prop runs best ever now, but only
statically. Brushes enroute from NSI.
One blade still tracks over 1/4" out. I shimmed the
prop until the blades where right on, only to have the
hub and spinner wobble. It has to be the blade.
Vibrates less than fouled plugs, so I'll fix it later.
My engine breather seems to ground check very well to
full power on a slope to simulate climb. It weighs
about 1/2 lb less than the origional too and can hold
a qt of overflow, if needed. Flight check to follow.
My new vacuum/pressure gauge seems to ground check
good too.
Rushing around trying to cram all this fixing into my
limited time cost me flapperon damage per my previous
"Chocks!" story.
Still working on the radiator scoop. Back to the
hangar today soon....
Kurt S.
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
> <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> Fuel pressure is good....I'll have to try to get in
> touch with him...Have you got your fuel pressure
> regulator in place? See any difference with it?
>
> Howard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I'll go with this one. "Or is it just another
bureaucratic imbecility?" I am sure SS would like to
sell more overseas too. I think they were a little
short on lobby money though.
But we should be glad for what we get.
Kurt S.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one
> mention of any attempt to international
co-operation.
> Cheers,
> Michel
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Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I thought their striped down S-7 called the "Sport"
was for that purpose too. No wing tips. 912 engine.
No turtle deck window, etc.
Kurt S.
--- Bob Unternaehrer <shilohcom@c-magic.com> wrote:
>
> I would presume that any kitfox above a Mod IV
> doesn't qualify anythow. Is
> that correct. Bob U.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Gee Kurt, Sorry to hear about all your probs!!!
I'm getting a very steady 5.0 lbs fuel with my one Facet pump...My EGT's
seem low though...I have the Dawley exhaust with the probes 1" down from the
flange...I think that I'm running too rich as I see a max of 1300F on both
sides. Engine is running great though...just that little hesitation when I
quickly advance the throttle. I'm happy with my water and exhaust temps
though....good flow through the radiator. Prop is smooth and CAP works
great....All I have left to do is seats and doors.....I have a very large
SNAFU with the registration though.....could hold me up for weeks:(
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> This has been a year of KitFox frustration for me too
> Howard,
>
> I still agree with the others. You are a little lean.
> At times, mine is barely enough when set full rich
> too. I am not sure I like these Ellisons.
>
> I've had little time off for the plane and when I did,
> it has been mostly bad news. That is why I haven't
> been here much. I did install the pressure regulator
> and it failed doing static tests before I ever ran the
> engine. I took it apart and found that its failure
> blocked all fuel flow. Since there is no failsafe
> operations for it, I removed it again. Perhaps 2
> parallel redundant setups would be OK, or maybe there
> is a failsafe regulator out there somewhere.
>
> My fwd fuel pump was giving only 1.5 psi or so at max
> continuous, so I upgraded to a stronger pump with the
> pressure regulator. Now I have a 6 psi pump
> unregulated and can't turn on my B/U pump without
> hitting 9+ psi. What can these carbs take without
> failure?
>
> I can see the advantage of constant pressure (if I can
> get it) with the Ellison carbs using my fuel/air ratio
> gauge. I really like using that gauge. EGT only
> shows more or less lean from your previous mixture
> setting, whatever that was. It is hit and miss and
> only gives a trend. This gauge shows whether you are
> rich or lean at any moment almost instantly. You can
> see at what RPM a carb adjustment works and when it
> doesn't. As you saw, the idle adjustment doesn't help
> for higher RPM hesitation.
>
> My F/A gauge will jump, even off scale rich or lean,
> with slow minor throttle changes. I can tweek it for
> every setting, then check the EGT for effect. At
> times I can pull my mixture all the way out and the
> engine still runs. Other times it is just barely
> enough all the way in. I can see why we burn valves
> not knowing how far the mixture varies in normal ops.
>
> Unfortunately, my F/A gauge is intermittant and I
> can't find the problem, unless it is the probe. That
> is a problem because the welder got my exhaust wrong
> twice and I have to pull the whole exhaust to change
> the F/A probe. I don't want to spend another $250 for
> a third welding mistake.
>
> Then my right strobe power unit went out after only 12
> hrs of ops. I spent a lot of hopeful trouble shooting
> for a bad connection, but it was the unit itself.
> Still, I am getting an Aeroflash rebuilt unit for only
> $47 plus shipping. :-)
>
> My header tank drain began a major leak. At least a
> deep 1/2" socket got to it without pulling the tank
> and everything needed to get to it. Now the header
> tank has a leak at a weld. Third weld to go on it.
> My nice interior is gas stained and I still had
> to open everything up.
>
> By now I wish I was a welder. I could fix this and
> the exhaust. As it is, I am fixing other's mistakes,
> plus my own. Nothing new, right?
>
> The good news is that I painted my header tank in gas
> soluable red paint. Easy to find the leaks. It is
> where the bubbled paint or bare metal is. Maybe I
> should have painted it with Kream on the outside
> instead? Ha ha.
>
> This year the first man who was going to build my wing
> strut fairings for me, died in a plane crash. The
> second just had his wife almost die and is out of it
> for at least 2 months to care for her. I need a good
> cheap foam cutter....
>
> I fixed my CAP 140 prop change slop only to crimp the
> internal wires and break a brush. Got all but the
> brush fixed. The prop runs best ever now, but only
> statically. Brushes enroute from NSI.
>
> One blade still tracks over 1/4" out. I shimmed the
> prop until the blades where right on, only to have the
> hub and spinner wobble. It has to be the blade.
> Vibrates less than fouled plugs, so I'll fix it later.
>
> My engine breather seems to ground check very well to
> full power on a slope to simulate climb. It weighs
> about 1/2 lb less than the origional too and can hold
> a qt of overflow, if needed. Flight check to follow.
>
> My new vacuum/pressure gauge seems to ground check
> good too.
>
> Rushing around trying to cram all this fixing into my
> limited time cost me flapperon damage per my previous
> "Chocks!" story.
>
> Still working on the radiator scoop. Back to the
> hangar today soon....
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
> > <pianome2@mchsi.com>
> >
> > Fuel pressure is good....I'll have to try to get in
> > touch with him...Have you got your fuel pressure
> > regulator in place? See any difference with it?
> >
> > Howard
>
>
> __________________________________
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>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Gary
We went thru this with Michel a while back and I think
he had good results. First you need to know the
transmition mode, ie, radio or wire. Test this by
listening with a hand held radio on a headset and
moving around the plane. Antenna a foot or so from
the plane's antenna, from the spark plugs, from the
alternator, and from the regulator. If there is no
noise on the handheld, but still on the internal
radio, you are getting the noise thru the wiring.
Radio shack has a couple of good noise suppressors to
wire in. A lighter, but more time consuming solution
is to rewire or move things. What things you have to
test for.
If you get the noise on the handheld too, the source
is radiation and you need to shield the source: Plug
wires, regulator or alternator again are the most
likely.
Cub pilots just turn off the radio. :-)
Kurt S.
--- gjglh@itlnet.net wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net
>
> Can anyone tell me the best wat to get rid of engine
> noise in my
> radio.
>
> Gary Henderson
> Oklahoma
> Spdster912ls
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks Howard,
The FAA took months and I think 4 retires to get my
paperwork right. Their corrections.
I have the Dawley exhaust too. It was the F/A probe
that they just can't get right.
I am butt headed enough to work thru all these
problems, but it is frustrating.
Do you have dual EGT gauges, or just one and a switch?
Check the exhaust color. I wouldn't trust the EGT's
accuracy just yet. You might still be lean. My EGT's
will go to 1600, if I let them. I run rich a lot.
One gauge and a switch on mine, so no cross check. If
you have 2 gauges, maybe you are accurate?
With the Ellison, you can't ram the throttle in too
fast anyway. No accellerator pump. Much better when
hot than cold. If it takes too slow a movement, you
do have a problem though. But with your readings
being accurate, a normal throttle rate of advance, and
a nice exhaust color, maybe you are as right as rain.
You'll probasbly be done with testing before me!!!
:-)
Kurt S.
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Gee Kurt, Sorry to hear about all your probs!!!
>
> I'm getting a very steady 5.0 lbs fuel with my one
> Facet pump...My EGT's
> seem low though...I have the Dawley exhaust with the
> probes 1" down from the
> flange...I think that I'm running too rich as I see
> a max of 1300F on both
> sides. Engine is running great though...just that
> little hesitation when I
> quickly advance the throttle. I'm happy with my
> water and exhaust temps
> though....good flow through the radiator. Prop is
> smooth and CAP works
> great....All I have left to do is seats and
> doors.....I have a very large
> SNAFU with the registration though.....could hold me
> up for weeks:(
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Yes, I have two gauges....a last minute add on...I like it though...Maybe I
have no prob with the throttle, I can move it faster than I will ever need
to without a problem....I'm just comparing it to my non turbo
EA-81...exhaust color is a chalky brown/grey.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks Howard,
>
> The FAA took months and I think 4 retires to get my
> paperwork right. Their corrections.
>
> I have the Dawley exhaust too. It was the F/A probe
> that they just can't get right.
>
> I am butt headed enough to work thru all these
> problems, but it is frustrating.
>
> Do you have dual EGT gauges, or just one and a switch?
> Check the exhaust color. I wouldn't trust the EGT's
> accuracy just yet. You might still be lean. My EGT's
> will go to 1600, if I let them. I run rich a lot.
> One gauge and a switch on mine, so no cross check. If
> you have 2 gauges, maybe you are accurate?
>
> With the Ellison, you can't ram the throttle in too
> fast anyway. No accellerator pump. Much better when
> hot than cold. If it takes too slow a movement, you
> do have a problem though. But with your readings
> being accurate, a normal throttle rate of advance, and
> a nice exhaust color, maybe you are as right as rain.
>
> You'll probasbly be done with testing before me!!!
> :-)
>
> Kurt S.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> We went thru this with Michel a while back and I think
> he had good results. First you need to know the
> transmition mode, ie, radio or wire. Test this by
> listening with a hand held radio on a headset and
> moving around the plane.
Kurt is right, Gary, you have first to assess how the noise is transmitted, via
the power line or as radio waves. In my case, the handheld experiment proved it
was the latter. Further experimenting pointed toward the regulator. I moved it
in front of the firewall and it solved the problem.
Good luck in your radio noise fault-finding,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Michel,
There were many attempts to harmonize this rule with the European rules, but
when you get 20+ folks around the table trying to compromise on what is best
for the task at hand (a rule for the US), sometimes you have to give and take
in areas where it may appear not to have been harmonized at all. Basically,
we (industry) tried to get as much weight, horsepower, stall speed, and
other freedoms (like no medical) as the FAA would allow. Their concern was
endangerment to the innocent public if one of these planes goes down. Whatever
the final numbers work out to be, I'm sure the FAA looked at the total energy
imparted as a concern. Of course this is always mitigated by industry trying
to get as much performance as possible (to justify the cost/benefit of doing
this, after all, no one wants to guild or buy an aircraft that has no
capability to be useful here in the US).
At one time we even tried to get safety equipment excluded from the weight
numbers so that someone could put something like a chute on their plane and not
be penalized. I don't know yet if that concept survived. Everyone was
well aware of the European rule and what they allowed. I'm sure that the folks
who sat around the table developing the final industry input did their best
to get the most that they could. In the final analysis, the numbers will be
what the FAA decides it should be. They did hear all the arguments and they
to, know the European rules.
Hope this helps in the understanding of the US rule making process.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
> There were many attempts to harmonize this rule with the European rules,
I didn't know that. Did anything came out of it?
I understand your perspective, Rick. But I was born in a country that has
roughly the population of New York city, and moved to a country of half that
population. Do you understand then why, for me, limiting national rules are a nonsense?
I am a strong supporter of the European Union, which - unfortunately - Norway
voted against. But if it worked for the United States (emphasis on "United")
shouldn't it work for Europe? Yet, if I want to fly today to Denmark (just
another tiny Scandinavian country) I need a special authorization and an
increased insurance coverage. Isn't it silly?
Couldn't it be nice if I could e.g. rent and fly a Kitfox in the US? But I
can't, I don't have a PPL-A license, only a Norwegian Microlight one. Couldn't
it be nice if Skystar makes a Kitfox around the Sport Pilot rule that sells to
the European microlight pilots? But they can't, it will be too heavy for us.
I admit, to get 20 people around a table to agree is hard; I sometimes have
problems to agree only with my wife. But if you can compromise with 20, why
can't you with 200?
The answer is like everywhere else: Money. Commercial air and sea transport can
agree to international rules; they have to if they want to trade. But sport
aviation is only a hobby, no big money is involved.
... and this is why I said I feel deeply saddened. There is nothing more to it.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Don, this might be a what if frogs had wings comment, but I would think
there are a few things that might be grandfathered in as pilots switch to
sport Pilot from Private pilot. For example I don't have a tail wheel
endorsement. It was not required when I trained and my primary training was
in a tail wheel airplane,and all but about 8 hours in my log book is in
tail wheel aircraft.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > Here is a site that explains the main points,
> > including medical, in plain language:
> >
> >
>
> I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying
in
> Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book
> endorsement".
>
> Who provides the training and who endorses the book?
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
> There were many attempts to harmonize this rule with the European
rules,
I didn't know that. Did anything came out of it?
I understand your perspective, Rick. But I was born in a country that
has
roughly the population of New York city, and moved to a country of half
that
population. Do you understand then why, for me, limiting national rules
are a nonsense?
Well, I don't mean to pour water on your fire, but we've been waiting
for this rule for over ten frigging years. It brings back flyers who
have lost their medical...and that is one of the most important elements
in this new rule. Personally, I could care less that the rule does NOT
interface internationally. Europe, Canada, Australia etc. all have their
microlite rules and now we have ours. It is well overdue. I am ecstatic
that the FAA was able to push this rule through the beurocratic maze.
Steve
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and above
the sport. No need for an endorsement.
dwight
At 10:10 AM 7/17/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
>Don,
>Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the
>Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of
>Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could
>receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor.
>
>But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the
>SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add
>a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just
>take the written and practical tests?
>
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>AlbertaIV@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > Here is a site that explains the main points,
> > including medical, in plain language:
> >
> >
>
>I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying
>in
>Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book
>endorsement".
>
>Who provides the training and who endorses the book?
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>---
>Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Larry,
I was part owner in an Aeronca Chief for a while and
we bought an antenna that was made for composite
airplanes. It was a dipole about 4 feet long. We glued
it to a wood lath with "liquid nails" and mounted it
inside the fuselage behind the baggage compartment
with zip ties. I had an Icom A-22 and my partner had
an A-23. Both radios worked incredibly well with it
compared to the rubber duckies. I agree with the
others that your signal may be affected by putting it
inside the fuselage but ours worked great. It's
another option for you anyway.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV w/912S
--- Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar
> <my93avid@yahoo.com>
>
> I currently use a handheld with a "rubber ducky"
> antenna that comes with it. Are there any
> advantages to use a "real" antenna? I was
> considering mounting in the fuselage on the
> underside of the luggage compartment floor.
>
> Knows nothing,
> Larry
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Anybody going to the fly in at Sparta Michigan tomorrow?
Darrel
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| Subject: | Purple Monster 2 Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Ha, ha just kidding, I know that Don S. Would have shat himself if I had
another purple plane:)
The pictures are very washed out looking....bad light or camera settings or
something....anyway, here are three pics of the New Plane. Possibly will
have better pics tomorrow....Definitely will get better ones for
Sportflight!!!
http://www.mvas.com/fox1.jpg
http://www.mvas.com/fox2.jpg
http://www.mvas.com/foxpanel.jpg
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
Here is your answer.
Dwight
Transitioning to a Sport Pilot Certificate
Section 91. How do I obtain a sport pilot certificate if I already hold at
least a private pilot certificate issued under 14 CFR part 61?
(a) If you already hold at least a current and valid private pilot
certificate issued under 14 CFR part 61, and you seek to exercise the
privileges of a sport pilot certificate, you may do so without any further
showing of proficiency, subject to the following limits:
(1) You are limited to the aircraft category and class ratings listed on
your existing pilot certificate when exercising your sport pilot privileges;
(2) You must receive specific training for any make and model of
light-sport aircraft in which you have not acted as pilot-in-command; and
(3) You must receive a logbook endorsement from the authorized instructor
who trained you and certified you are proficient in that make and model of
light-sport aircraft.
(b) If you want to exercise the privileges of a sport pilot for a category
or class for which you are not currently rated, you must meet the
applicable category and class requirements contained in sections 51 through
57 of this SFAR.
At 05:43 PM 7/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
>I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and above
>the sport. No need for an endorsement.
>
> dwight
>
>
>At 10:10 AM 7/17/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
> >
> >Don,
> >Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the
> >Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of
> >Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could
> >receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor.
> >
> >But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the
> >SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add
> >a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just
> >take the written and practical tests?
> >
> >
> >Don Pearsall
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
> >
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Here is a site that explains the main points,
> > > including medical, in plain language:
> > >
> > >
> >
> >I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying
> >in
> >Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book
> >endorsement".
> >
> >Who provides the training and who endorses the book?
> >
> >Don Smythe
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> >---
> >Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004
>
>
>---
>
>
>---
>Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004
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| Subject: | Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
A private pilot requires a log book endorsement for tailwheel.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwight
purdy
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy <dpurdy@comteck.com>
I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and
above
the sport. No need for an endorsement.
dwight
At 10:10 AM 7/17/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
>Don,
>Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the
>Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a
category of
>Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could
>receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor.
>
>But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the
>SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants
to add
>a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and
just
>take the written and practical tests?
>
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>AlbertaIV@aol.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > Here is a site that explains the main points,
> > including medical, in plain language:
> >
> >
>
>I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No
flying
>in
>Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book
>endorsement".
>
>Who provides the training and who endorses the book?
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>---
>Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004
---
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hello All,
I am starting a project and need the lists help.
What I would like to do is to get all of the Skystar
and Denny Aircraft promotional videos and transfer
them to a DVD. I would then distribute them to anyone
on the list that is interested for a small fee to
cover my costs. I have contacted Skystar to get their
permission. They didnt have a problem with my idea
but they would like to view the DVD before I send it
out.
I currently have three promotional videos. One is of
a Model II from Denny Aircraft and two from Skystar.
If anyone has some that I dont have and would like to
loan/sell them to me, please contact me off list.
Thanks,
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV w/912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
an inside antenna will save on drag and with a fabric covered airframe you
should not see much difference in radio range or reception quality but a
ground plane (plate) is a must.
Kirk Hull A&P
> > Don,
> >
> > What is the consequence of an inside antenna?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
>
> I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good reception. I
> used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the antenna
plate
> just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling a
hole
> in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
It is not in the federal Register yet. You might want to check your
insurance policy for a current medical clause.
Kirk Hull
> > Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final
Hurdle!
> >
>
> Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is
due
> in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting
one?
> Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy???
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/04 4:00:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pianome2@mchsi.com writes:
>
> Ha, ha just kidding, I know that Don S. Would have shat himself if I had
> another purple plane:)
>
You got that right. When I saw that subject line, all kind of thoughts went
through my head. Nobody in their right mind would paint an airplane Purple.
Especially when it's a known fact that Bald Eagles love mating with other
Purple birds.
Glad you are getting close to a finish product. Now, off to look at the
pics.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/04 4:00:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pianome2@mchsi.com writes:
> The pictures are very washed out looking....bad light or camera settings or
>
Howard,
You're right, the pics suck. On the other hand, it ain't purple. BTW,
you were supposed to get that thing finished a year or more ago. What's the
problem?
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/04 5:50:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> It is not in the federal Register yet. You might want to check your
> insurance policy for a current medical clause.
>
> Kirk Hull
>
>
Kirk,
Very good point. Thanks
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
There are many things that affect the effectiveness. Yes, there is some
black Magic, but a verticaly mounted, away from any metal (including metal tubing
from a from a fabric covere fuse) is always better....
Its not a case it wont work one way and will the other, its a case how much %
better. or worse.
I also now use a handheld because my panel mounted radio started to give me
trouble, and its works very well with the hand held antenna... A23 great
handheld!
DAve
KF 2
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| Subject: | Purple Monster 2 Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hey Howard! Another great plane. Congratulations! That is an interesting
paint job. Look at yours, and then look at this one seen at Arlington last
week. Are they brothers?
http://www.sportflight.com/nweaa2004/images/P7100079.JPG
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Howard Firm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Ha, ha just kidding, I know that Don S. Would have shat himself if I had
another purple plane:) The pictures are very washed out looking....bad light
or camera settings or something....anyway, here are three pics of the New
Plane. Possibly will have better pics tomorrow....Definitely will get better
ones for Sportflight!!!
http://www.mvas.com/fox1.jpg
http://www.mvas.com/fox2.jpg
http://www.mvas.com/foxpanel.jpg
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
You should also look at AC43.13-2A Chapter 3 " Antenna Installations". It
discusses flush mount antennas covered with fiber glass but does not
mention specifically antennas mounted inside of a frabic covered airframe.
Section C States " On fabric covered or aircraft with other types of
nonmetallic skin, the Manufacturers recommendations should be followed in
order to provide the NECESSARY GROUND PLANE." Fig 3.2 gives an acceptable
method of accomplishing this. At one time you could get this A/C at FAA.GOV
under Adviseory Circulars
> an inside antenna will save on drag and with a fabric covered airframe you
> should not see much difference in radio range or reception quality but a
> ground plane (plate) is a must.
>
> Kirk Hull A&P
>
>
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > What is the consequence of an inside antenna?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> >
> > I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good reception.
I
> > used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the antenna
> plate
> > just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling a
> hole
> > in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
I saw that picture that you took!!!! I got a good laugh out of it!!!
As for being a year late Don, Weren't you supposed to come and help???
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Hey Howard! Another great plane. Congratulations! That is an interesting
> paint job. Look at yours, and then look at this one seen at Arlington last
> week. Are they brothers?
>
> http://www.sportflight.com/nweaa2004/images/P7100079.JPG
>
> Don Pearsall
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
If you already have a 3rd class, why would you give it up and limit
yourself to the type of aircraft you can fly. The rule has past omb and may
be past into law soon, but how soon and what its implementation date will
be. It could be as early as 30 days or as long as 180 days. To give you an
example, there were new hours of service rules past and put into effect
1/1/04. A Federal Appeals Court has over turned that law and we now go back
to a 60 year old rule which is outdated to say the least!
If you have it keep for now.
The best reason I can give you for now is CYA.
>
>
> You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night.
Plus
> we don't know what day if will become effective.
>
>
> Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the impression
> that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need for
the
> medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to fly
at night.
>
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Please do any of you turbo Subaru folks have pic of the correct position of
the spacers that go on the linkage plate. I cant even remember if they are
really suppose to be there. If no pics maybe just how it is mounted.
Thanks
P.S. working on a hard line return from the turbo. Will let everyone know
how it goes. Hate that rubber hose where it is.
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| Subject: | Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
...the sky is falling, the sky is falling...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD
HUTSON
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot
Rule Clears Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON"
<rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
If you already have a 3rd class, why would you give it up and limit
yourself to the type of aircraft you can fly. The rule has past omb and
may
be past into law soon, but how soon and what its implementation date
will
be. It could be as early as 30 days or as long as 180 days. To give you
an
example, there were new hours of service rules past and put into effect
1/1/04. A Federal Appeals Court has over turned that law and we now go
back
to a 60 year old rule which is outdated to say the least!
If you have it keep for now.
The best reason I can give you for now is CYA.
>
>
> You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at
night.
Plus
> we don't know what day if will become effective.
>
>
> Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the
impression
> that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need
for
the
> medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to
fly
at night.
>
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
==
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
Albert, High Blood Pressure will not effect you, I take 2 blood pressure
pills per day, both are approved for flying. Cholesterol is not even
checked, this from an AMES giving a Wings briefing in Memphis. You would
simply have to make sure any medication you are on is FAA approved. I just
trying to get a third class now and have to see an Eye specialist, plus a
family history because of my high blood pressure and diabetics and I can
still get a 3rd class. and Last but not least, I'm color blind and deaf in
1 ear.
And you think you have something to worry about!!! So I get another eye
exam next week, do a family history, get a letter from my doctor at to my
general, a blood test, an ekg and its time to rock and roll.
And just for the hell of it, I take 6 pills for breakfast and 2 for dinner.
Stop whining and get the damn physical.
.
> > Steve
>
>
> You have found me out....Since my last flight physical, I had a "SLIGHT"
> touch of high blood pressure plus high Cholesterol. As a result, I have
lost 50
> lbs through diet and on Cholesterol medication. BP is back good with no
> medication. I kind of hate to bring all this to a flight examiners's
attention if I
> don't have to. As you pointed out, why take the chance of getting denied?
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Grant,
I have a video or two. If you give me your phone number I''ll call with
specifics.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/2004 5:25:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
michel@online.no writes:
I understand your perspective, Rick
Michel,
I didn't really have a perspective, I was just trying to relay how we got
where we did. I agree with you when you say:
"Do you understand then why, for me, limiting national rules are a nonsense?"
Yes, and I think it's sad that are there so many nationally driven rules to
begin with. If we just had one world wide minimum set of aviation rules life
would be a lot better and easier, but unfortunately that's not the world we
live in.
I'm just happy that we finally got this rule done -- it's taken over 7 years
and a lot of hard work by many (some think that's quick for the US).
If only I were King...
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
I think Don Smytheeee is worried about the time when he can't pass the Flight
Physical and then has to fly as a sport pilot. After the rule is out, it might
be a good question for the National EAA!
bh
> I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and above
> the sport. No need for an endorsement.
>
> dwight
>
> >Don,
> >Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the
> >Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of
> >Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could
> >receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor.
> >
> >But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the
> >SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add
> >a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just
> >take the written and practical tests?
> >
> >
> >Don Pearsall
> >I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying
> >in
> >Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book
> >endorsement".
> >
> >Who provides the training and who endorses the book?
> >
> >Don Smythe
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Gil, drop the idle rpm down to 1600-1700, and watch the float dissappear.
Then increase throttle during taxi after the little 582 stops turning fast.
bh
> Don,
>
> Can you elaborate on your carb adjustment process for those of us less
informed? Also can you tell me what rpm you run at idle( ie: short final)? I
float an awful lot on landing!!!
> Thanks
> Gil Levesque
> Model 4 1050-582
> 45hrs. and begining to really enjoy
the Fox
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Don,
I would recommend still trying to pass the flight physical. More priveleges.
bh
> Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is due
> in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting one?
> Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy???
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel
In America, German sailplanes are all incredible. Spanish sailplanes
are....WHAT spanish sailplanes....they don't even make Hang Gliders.
Speaking of which, in Hang Gliding German standards are considered the best.
So the answer to your last question is obvious.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > Here is a site that explains the main points,
> > including medical, in plain language:
> > <http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/index.html>
>
> I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one mention of any attempt
to
> international co-operation. In Europe, we work hard to get a joint
"microlight"
> rule. If the US is playing alone, it won't help.
> You will probably say: "Yes but, in Europe, you can easily fly from one
country
> to another, while the US is so wide." True, but I am thinking about the
> manufacturing of light aircraft. If you have 560 kg MTOW and we have 450,
it
> won't help anybody. Things are though enough as they are. E.g. if you want
to
> import a new microlight plane in Norway, it has to be type approved and it
> costs a lot of money. Unless it is already approved in Sweden and/or
Germany.
> ... does that makes sense? Why not France, UK, Moldavia, Luxemburg ...?
Are the
> aviation authorities smarter in Sweden or Germany? Or is it just another
> bureaucratic imbecility?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tire replacement question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Ted
Yes and Yes. That is the part number and it needed different bearings for
the shaft. Or the slack could be tightened with a piece of tubing.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Maule tire replacement question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hey Jim,
>
> For your Maule did you order the homebuilder's 6"
> replacement wheel/tire/bearings (Spruce P/N 06-03600
> for $26.40) or are different bearings needed?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ted
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Maule
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> >Michel
> >
> >I have no experiance with the complete unit.
> >I believe that the 45 20 and 10 is the angle that is
> bent into the tail
> >spring to which the tailwheel attaches.
> >
> >Jim Shumaker
> >
>
>
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