---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/17/04: 59 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors (Gill Levesque) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: Com Antenna (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 4. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 5. 06:16 AM - Re: Com Antenna (Lowell Fitt) 6. 06:59 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (RICHARD HUTSON) 7. 07:12 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 8. 08:27 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 9. 08:34 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Steve Cooper) 10. 08:36 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (kurt schrader) 11. 08:52 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper) 12. 08:52 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Dcecil3@aol.com) 13. 08:53 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Bob Unternaehrer) 14. 08:56 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper) 15. 09:04 AM - (gjglh@itlnet.net) 16. 09:41 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 17. 09:44 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Michel Verheughe) 18. 09:51 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 19. 09:55 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 20. 10:10 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Don Pearsall) 21. 10:19 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (kurt schrader) 22. 10:25 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (kurt schrader) 23. 10:39 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (kurt schrader) 24. 10:47 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (Howard Firm) 25. 10:51 AM - Re: (kurt schrader) 26. 11:11 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (kurt schrader) 27. 11:55 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (Howard Firm) 28. 12:37 PM - Engine noise in the radio (Michel Verheughe) 29. 12:56 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 30. 02:24 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Michel Verheughe) 31. 02:25 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Lowell Fitt) 32. 03:38 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper) 33. 03:43 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (dwight purdy) 34. 03:50 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Grant Fluent) 35. 03:52 PM - Sparta Fly In (Fox5flyer) 36. 04:00 PM - Purple Monster 2 Pictures (Howard Firm) 37. 04:01 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (dwight purdy) 38. 04:02 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Steve Cooper) 39. 04:14 PM - Kitfox Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent) 40. 05:47 PM - Re: Com Antenna () 41. 05:49 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... () 42. 05:55 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 43. 06:01 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 44. 06:05 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 45. 06:18 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Aerobatics@aol.com) 46. 06:30 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (Don Pearsall) 47. 06:37 PM - Re: Com Antenna () 48. 07:18 PM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (Howard Firm) 49. 07:35 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (RICHARD HUTSON) 50. 07:47 PM - Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage (Rick) 51. 07:50 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Steve Cooper) 52. 07:54 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (RICHARD HUTSON) 53. 08:08 PM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 54. 08:23 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Mdkitfox@aol.com) 55. 10:23 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Bruce Harrington) 56. 10:29 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors (Bruce Harrington) 57. 10:31 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Bruce Harrington) 58. 10:56 PM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (jimshumaker) 59. 11:12 PM - Re: Maule tire replacement question (jimshumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:40 AM PST US From: Gill Levesque Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque Don, Can you elaborate on your carb adjustment process for those of us less informed? Also can you tell me what rpm you run at idle( ie: short final)? I float an awful lot on landing!!! Thanks Gil Levesque Model 4 1050-582 45hrs. and begining to really enjoy the Fox AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/16/04 5:55:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, thomasleekf@comcast.net writes: > to the carburetors and showed me the difference of reading in the two > gauges at 2000 and 3000 rpm. He then adjusted one side of the throttle > cable to bring the two readings the same. > Thanks, I just gotta try this method to see the difference...Today, Glenn Horne and I did the break-in on his new 582. We used my method of inserting a smooth socket into the throat of the carb and adjusting the slides. His engine ran smooth as silk but, still wonder if using the vacuum method isn't ever better. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE Still alive and flyin!!!! Gil --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:58 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/16/04 6:55:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, my93avid@yahoo.com writes: > Don, > > What is the consequence of an inside antenna? > > Thanks, > I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good reception. I used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the antenna plate just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling a hole in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:14 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/16/04 7:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final Hurdle! > Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is due in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting one? Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy??? Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:00 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Don, Can you elaborate on your carb adjustment process for those of us less informed? Also can you tell me what rpm you run at idle( ie: short final)? I float an awful lot on landing!!! Thanks Gil Levesque Model 4 1050-582 45hrs. and begining to really enjoy the Fox Gil, I open the throttle until I can take a small "smooth" socket and slide it gently into the throat of the carb (between bottom of the slide and the bottom of the carb). Use the throttle vernier to fine adjust until the socket just barley rubs (sort of like using a feeler gauge to adjust plug gap. Then insert the socket into the other carb and adjust the linkage on top until you get the same fit. This puts both carbs at exactly the same opening with a particular throttle setting. You can then use a larger socket for rechecking the opening at a higher throttle setting. You are supposed to set the idle RPM's at 2000. After my overhaul, the idle started to creep up as the engine broke in. Soon, the idle was about 2300. At 2300, I noticed it was harder to land without floating. Reset to 2000 after break-in. However, the C box seems to rattle at 2000 so I warm up the engine around 2500. All rattle goes away around 2800. We did the initial run-in on Glenn Horn's 582 yesterday and his gear box rattle worked exactly the same as mine. This procedure seems to work just fine but I would still like to know if the scientific method would be better. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:29 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Larry, for me I would encourage you to go as planned. The proof is in the pudding. If you go this way and provide radio check reports to the list we will all know if it works, especially guys like me that put the ELT antenna internally. I have mine behind the turtle deck without a ground plane and get reports of the best signal in our fleet of eight who fly regularly together. Regarding ground planes, the interface between the plated brass hardware, a piece of aluminum and the steel fuselage brings up the dissimilar metals issues and all that has to offer. This keeps me from the ground plane idea especially after hearing my signal reports. I do have a Bendix King com radio though, and don't know if that is a factor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lmar" Subject: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar > > I currently use a handheld with a "rubber ducky" antenna that comes with it. Are there any advantages to use a "real" antenna? I was considering mounting in the fuselage on the underside of the luggage compartment floor. > > Knows nothing, > Larry > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:20 AM PST US From: "RICHARD HUTSON" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night. Plus we don't know what day if will become effective. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/16/04 7:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > > > Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final Hurdle! > > > > Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is due > in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting one? > Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy??? > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:17 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night. Plus we don't know what day if will become effective. Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the impression that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need for the medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to fly at night. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:31 AM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com Don, That may be the case in the near future. I would wait until the rule is published and we know exactly what it says. The original rulemaking had provisions to limit flying to day VFR without the medical, but the final version could be different. Heck, if your only visit to the doctor for the year is your flight physical it might be worth a few bucks for the checkup. Later, Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:36 AM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" Don, my advice is to go ahead and get one more physical...if you can pass it...but, you don't want to be denied. If you think you might have problems passing it then I wouldn't take it. The next step is to see the Sport Pilot rule published in the Federal Register...which should be just a few days. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/16/04 7:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > > > Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final Hurdle! > > > > Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is due > in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting one? > Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy??? > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:33 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Don and the List, Here is a site that explains the main points, including medical, in plain language: It is the Sportflight site (as you can read) and it lists eligable aircraft, etc too. Good quick ref. Kurt S. --- Steve Cooper wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" > > > Hey Guys...Sport Pilot got approved!!! It will now > be printed in the > Federal Register after a couple days and at that > time we can see the > final rule. Go to: www.eaa.org for more information. > > > Steve Cooper __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:10 AM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" I was discussing Sport Pilot with EAA'r Ron Wagner not too long ago and he noted that there has been a weight increase over the origional 1232lb gross in the final rule which may also affect stall and max cruise speed. I'm pretty sure that the list of applicable aircraft will be expanding. I'd like to see it include the 85 & 100 HP J-3 STOL conversion...really nice planes I saw at the West Coast Cub Fly-in at Lompoc last weekend. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader --> Don and the List, Here is a site that explains the main points, including medical, in plain language: It is the Sportflight site (as you can read) and it lists eligable aircraft, etc too. Good quick ref. Kurt S. --- Steve Cooper wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" > > > Hey Guys...Sport Pilot got approved!!! It will now > be printed in the > Federal Register after a couple days and at that > time we can see the > final rule. Go to: www.eaa.org for more information. > > > Steve Cooper __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:10 AM PST US From: Dcecil3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com Come on guys .We can do the " If the Frog had wings" thing all day.Let them Publish the rule .Heck you might need your drivers Lic. or, you might need a letter from the Vatican (knowing the FAA) sorry a little Pontious Pilot Humor . Anyway Lets wait and see what the actual rule is .Virginia will Prob>require a medical and want you to park it upside down in the hanger .Yea they 're out in the forfront when it comes to not so great thinking concerning aircraft Best David Cecil KF3 859DC ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:42 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I would presume that any kitfox above a Mod IV doesn't qualify anythow. Is that correct. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > > You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night. Plus > we don't know what day if will become effective. > > > Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the impression > that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need for the > medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to fly at night. > > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:56 AM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" I was discussing Sport Pilot with EAA'r Ron Wagner not too long ago and he noted that there has been a weight increase over the origional 1232lb gross in the final rule which may also affect stall and max cruise speed. I'm pretty sure that the list of applicable aircraft will be expanding. I'd like to see it include the 85 & 100 HP J-3 STOL conversion...really nice planes I saw at the West Coast Cub Fly-in at Lompoc last weekend. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader --> Don and the List, Here is a site that explains the main points, including medical, in plain language: It is the Sportflight site (as you can read) and it lists eligable aircraft, etc too. Good quick ref. Kurt S. --- Steve Cooper wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" > > > Hey Guys...Sport Pilot got approved!!! It will now > be printed in the > Federal Register after a couple days and at that > time we can see the > final rule. Go to: www.eaa.org for more information. > > > Steve Cooper __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:04 AM PST US From: gjglh@itlnet.net Subject: Kitfox-List: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net Can anyone tell me the best wat to get rid of engine noise in my radio. Gary Henderson Oklahoma Spdster912ls ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:38 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Don, my advice is to go ahead and get one more physical...if you can pass it...but, you don't want to be denied. If you think you might have problems passing it then I wouldn't take it. The next step is to see the Sport Pilot rule published in the Federal Register...which should be just a few days. Steve You have found me out....Since my last flight physical, I had a "SLIGHT" touch of high blood pressure plus high Cholesterol. As a result, I have lost 50 lbs through diet and on Cholesterol medication. BP is back good with no medication. I kind of hate to bring all this to a flight examiners's attention if I don't have to. As you pointed out, why take the chance of getting denied? Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:04 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe kurt schrader wrote: > Here is a site that explains the main points, > including medical, in plain language: > I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one mention of any attempt to international co-operation. In Europe, we work hard to get a joint "microlight" rule. If the US is playing alone, it won't help. You will probably say: "Yes but, in Europe, you can easily fly from one country to another, while the US is so wide." True, but I am thinking about the manufacturing of light aircraft. If you have 560 kg MTOW and we have 450, it won't help anybody. Things are though enough as they are. E.g. if you want to import a new microlight plane in Norway, it has to be type approved and it costs a lot of money. Unless it is already approved in Sweden and/or Germany. ... does that makes sense? Why not France, UK, Moldavia, Luxemburg ...? Are the aviation authorities smarter in Sweden or Germany? Or is it just another bureaucratic imbecility? Cheers, Michel ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:30 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: > Here is a site that explains the main points, > including medical, in plain language: > > I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying in Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book endorsement". Who provides the training and who endorses the book? Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:27 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one mention of any attempt to international co-operation. In Europe, we work hard to get a joint "microlight" rule. If Michel, I have 5 acres next door for sale if you're interested. Ha,,,,we almost have enough room for a runway.... Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:15 AM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Don, Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor. But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just take the written and practical tests? Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: > Here is a site that explains the main points, > including medical, in plain language: > > I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying in Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book endorsement". Who provides the training and who endorses the book? Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:29 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Howard, This has been a year of KitFox frustration for me too Howard, I still agree with the others. You are a little lean. At times, mine is barely enough when set full rich too. I am not sure I like these Ellisons. I've had little time off for the plane and when I did, it has been mostly bad news. That is why I haven't been here much. I did install the pressure regulator and it failed doing static tests before I ever ran the engine. I took it apart and found that its failure blocked all fuel flow. Since there is no failsafe operations for it, I removed it again. Perhaps 2 parallel redundant setups would be OK, or maybe there is a failsafe regulator out there somewhere. My fwd fuel pump was giving only 1.5 psi or so at max continuous, so I upgraded to a stronger pump with the pressure regulator. Now I have a 6 psi pump unregulated and can't turn on my B/U pump without hitting 9+ psi. What can these carbs take without failure? I can see the advantage of constant pressure (if I can get it) with the Ellison carbs using my fuel/air ratio gauge. I really like using that gauge. EGT only shows more or less lean from your previous mixture setting, whatever that was. It is hit and miss and only gives a trend. This gauge shows whether you are rich or lean at any moment almost instantly. You can see at what RPM a carb adjustment works and when it doesn't. As you saw, the idle adjustment doesn't help for higher RPM hesitation. My F/A gauge will jump, even off scale rich or lean, with slow minor throttle changes. I can tweek it for every setting, then check the EGT for effect. At times I can pull my mixture all the way out and the engine still runs. Other times it is just barely enough all the way in. I can see why we burn valves not knowing how far the mixture varies in normal ops. Unfortunately, my F/A gauge is intermittant and I can't find the problem, unless it is the probe. That is a problem because the welder got my exhaust wrong twice and I have to pull the whole exhaust to change the F/A probe. I don't want to spend another $250 for a third welding mistake. Then my right strobe power unit went out after only 12 hrs of ops. I spent a lot of hopeful trouble shooting for a bad connection, but it was the unit itself. Still, I am getting an Aeroflash rebuilt unit for only $47 plus shipping. :-) My header tank drain began a major leak. At least a deep 1/2" socket got to it without pulling the tank and everything needed to get to it. Now the header tank has a leak at a weld. Third weld to go on it. My nice interior is gas stained and I still had to open everything up. By now I wish I was a welder. I could fix this and the exhaust. As it is, I am fixing other's mistakes, plus my own. Nothing new, right? The good news is that I painted my header tank in gas soluable red paint. Easy to find the leaks. It is where the bubbled paint or bare metal is. Maybe I should have painted it with Kream on the outside instead? Ha ha. This year the first man who was going to build my wing strut fairings for me, died in a plane crash. The second just had his wife almost die and is out of it for at least 2 months to care for her. I need a good cheap foam cutter.... I fixed my CAP 140 prop change slop only to crimp the internal wires and break a brush. Got all but the brush fixed. The prop runs best ever now, but only statically. Brushes enroute from NSI. One blade still tracks over 1/4" out. I shimmed the prop until the blades where right on, only to have the hub and spinner wobble. It has to be the blade. Vibrates less than fouled plugs, so I'll fix it later. My engine breather seems to ground check very well to full power on a slope to simulate climb. It weighs about 1/2 lb less than the origional too and can hold a qt of overflow, if needed. Flight check to follow. My new vacuum/pressure gauge seems to ground check good too. Rushing around trying to cram all this fixing into my limited time cost me flapperon damage per my previous "Chocks!" story. Still working on the radiator scoop. Back to the hangar today soon.... Kurt S. --- Howard Firm wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > > Fuel pressure is good....I'll have to try to get in > touch with him...Have you got your fuel pressure > regulator in place? See any difference with it? > > Howard __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:45 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I'll go with this one. "Or is it just another bureaucratic imbecility?" I am sure SS would like to sell more overseas too. I think they were a little short on lobby money though. But we should be glad for what we get. Kurt S. --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > > I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one > mention of any attempt to international co-operation. > Cheers, > Michel __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:01 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I thought their striped down S-7 called the "Sport" was for that purpose too. No wing tips. 912 engine. No turtle deck window, etc. Kurt S. --- Bob Unternaehrer wrote: > > I would presume that any kitfox above a Mod IV > doesn't qualify anythow. Is > that correct. Bob U. __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:31 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Gee Kurt, Sorry to hear about all your probs!!! I'm getting a very steady 5.0 lbs fuel with my one Facet pump...My EGT's seem low though...I have the Dawley exhaust with the probes 1" down from the flange...I think that I'm running too rich as I see a max of 1300F on both sides. Engine is running great though...just that little hesitation when I quickly advance the throttle. I'm happy with my water and exhaust temps though....good flow through the radiator. Prop is smooth and CAP works great....All I have left to do is seats and doors.....I have a very large SNAFU with the registration though.....could hold me up for weeks:( Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > Hi Howard, > > This has been a year of KitFox frustration for me too > Howard, > > I still agree with the others. You are a little lean. > At times, mine is barely enough when set full rich > too. I am not sure I like these Ellisons. > > I've had little time off for the plane and when I did, > it has been mostly bad news. That is why I haven't > been here much. I did install the pressure regulator > and it failed doing static tests before I ever ran the > engine. I took it apart and found that its failure > blocked all fuel flow. Since there is no failsafe > operations for it, I removed it again. Perhaps 2 > parallel redundant setups would be OK, or maybe there > is a failsafe regulator out there somewhere. > > My fwd fuel pump was giving only 1.5 psi or so at max > continuous, so I upgraded to a stronger pump with the > pressure regulator. Now I have a 6 psi pump > unregulated and can't turn on my B/U pump without > hitting 9+ psi. What can these carbs take without > failure? > > I can see the advantage of constant pressure (if I can > get it) with the Ellison carbs using my fuel/air ratio > gauge. I really like using that gauge. EGT only > shows more or less lean from your previous mixture > setting, whatever that was. It is hit and miss and > only gives a trend. This gauge shows whether you are > rich or lean at any moment almost instantly. You can > see at what RPM a carb adjustment works and when it > doesn't. As you saw, the idle adjustment doesn't help > for higher RPM hesitation. > > My F/A gauge will jump, even off scale rich or lean, > with slow minor throttle changes. I can tweek it for > every setting, then check the EGT for effect. At > times I can pull my mixture all the way out and the > engine still runs. Other times it is just barely > enough all the way in. I can see why we burn valves > not knowing how far the mixture varies in normal ops. > > Unfortunately, my F/A gauge is intermittant and I > can't find the problem, unless it is the probe. That > is a problem because the welder got my exhaust wrong > twice and I have to pull the whole exhaust to change > the F/A probe. I don't want to spend another $250 for > a third welding mistake. > > Then my right strobe power unit went out after only 12 > hrs of ops. I spent a lot of hopeful trouble shooting > for a bad connection, but it was the unit itself. > Still, I am getting an Aeroflash rebuilt unit for only > $47 plus shipping. :-) > > My header tank drain began a major leak. At least a > deep 1/2" socket got to it without pulling the tank > and everything needed to get to it. Now the header > tank has a leak at a weld. Third weld to go on it. > My nice interior is gas stained and I still had > to open everything up. > > By now I wish I was a welder. I could fix this and > the exhaust. As it is, I am fixing other's mistakes, > plus my own. Nothing new, right? > > The good news is that I painted my header tank in gas > soluable red paint. Easy to find the leaks. It is > where the bubbled paint or bare metal is. Maybe I > should have painted it with Kream on the outside > instead? Ha ha. > > This year the first man who was going to build my wing > strut fairings for me, died in a plane crash. The > second just had his wife almost die and is out of it > for at least 2 months to care for her. I need a good > cheap foam cutter.... > > I fixed my CAP 140 prop change slop only to crimp the > internal wires and break a brush. Got all but the > brush fixed. The prop runs best ever now, but only > statically. Brushes enroute from NSI. > > One blade still tracks over 1/4" out. I shimmed the > prop until the blades where right on, only to have the > hub and spinner wobble. It has to be the blade. > Vibrates less than fouled plugs, so I'll fix it later. > > My engine breather seems to ground check very well to > full power on a slope to simulate climb. It weighs > about 1/2 lb less than the origional too and can hold > a qt of overflow, if needed. Flight check to follow. > > My new vacuum/pressure gauge seems to ground check > good too. > > Rushing around trying to cram all this fixing into my > limited time cost me flapperon damage per my previous > "Chocks!" story. > > Still working on the radiator scoop. Back to the > hangar today soon.... > > Kurt S. > > --- Howard Firm wrote: > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > > > > > Fuel pressure is good....I'll have to try to get in > > touch with him...Have you got your fuel pressure > > regulator in place? See any difference with it? > > > > Howard > > > __________________________________ > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:39 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Gary We went thru this with Michel a while back and I think he had good results. First you need to know the transmition mode, ie, radio or wire. Test this by listening with a hand held radio on a headset and moving around the plane. Antenna a foot or so from the plane's antenna, from the spark plugs, from the alternator, and from the regulator. If there is no noise on the handheld, but still on the internal radio, you are getting the noise thru the wiring. Radio shack has a couple of good noise suppressors to wire in. A lighter, but more time consuming solution is to rewire or move things. What things you have to test for. If you get the noise on the handheld too, the source is radiation and you need to shield the source: Plug wires, regulator or alternator again are the most likely. Cub pilots just turn off the radio. :-) Kurt S. --- gjglh@itlnet.net wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net > > Can anyone tell me the best wat to get rid of engine > noise in my > radio. > > Gary Henderson > Oklahoma > Spdster912ls __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:48 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Thanks Howard, The FAA took months and I think 4 retires to get my paperwork right. Their corrections. I have the Dawley exhaust too. It was the F/A probe that they just can't get right. I am butt headed enough to work thru all these problems, but it is frustrating. Do you have dual EGT gauges, or just one and a switch? Check the exhaust color. I wouldn't trust the EGT's accuracy just yet. You might still be lean. My EGT's will go to 1600, if I let them. I run rich a lot. One gauge and a switch on mine, so no cross check. If you have 2 gauges, maybe you are accurate? With the Ellison, you can't ram the throttle in too fast anyway. No accellerator pump. Much better when hot than cold. If it takes too slow a movement, you do have a problem though. But with your readings being accurate, a normal throttle rate of advance, and a nice exhaust color, maybe you are as right as rain. You'll probasbly be done with testing before me!!! :-) Kurt S. --- Howard Firm wrote: > > Gee Kurt, Sorry to hear about all your probs!!! > > I'm getting a very steady 5.0 lbs fuel with my one > Facet pump...My EGT's > seem low though...I have the Dawley exhaust with the > probes 1" down from the > flange...I think that I'm running too rich as I see > a max of 1300F on both > sides. Engine is running great though...just that > little hesitation when I > quickly advance the throttle. I'm happy with my > water and exhaust temps > though....good flow through the radiator. Prop is > smooth and CAP works > great....All I have left to do is seats and > doors.....I have a very large > SNAFU with the registration though.....could hold me > up for weeks:( > > > Howard Firm > 508 12th St. South > Virginia MN 55792 __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:09 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Yes, I have two gauges....a last minute add on...I like it though...Maybe I have no prob with the throttle, I can move it faster than I will ever need to without a problem....I'm just comparing it to my non turbo EA-81...exhaust color is a chalky brown/grey. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > Thanks Howard, > > The FAA took months and I think 4 retires to get my > paperwork right. Their corrections. > > I have the Dawley exhaust too. It was the F/A probe > that they just can't get right. > > I am butt headed enough to work thru all these > problems, but it is frustrating. > > Do you have dual EGT gauges, or just one and a switch? > Check the exhaust color. I wouldn't trust the EGT's > accuracy just yet. You might still be lean. My EGT's > will go to 1600, if I let them. I run rich a lot. > One gauge and a switch on mine, so no cross check. If > you have 2 gauges, maybe you are accurate? > > With the Ellison, you can't ram the throttle in too > fast anyway. No accellerator pump. Much better when > hot than cold. If it takes too slow a movement, you > do have a problem though. But with your readings > being accurate, a normal throttle rate of advance, and > a nice exhaust color, maybe you are as right as rain. > > You'll probasbly be done with testing before me!!! > :-) > > Kurt S. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:38 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine noise in the radio --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe kurt schrader wrote: > We went thru this with Michel a while back and I think > he had good results. First you need to know the > transmition mode, ie, radio or wire. Test this by > listening with a hand held radio on a headset and > moving around the plane. Kurt is right, Gary, you have first to assess how the noise is transmitted, via the power line or as radio waves. In my case, the handheld experiment proved it was the latter. Further experimenting pointed toward the regulator. I moved it in front of the firewall and it solved the problem. Good luck in your radio noise fault-finding, Michel ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:12 PM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com Michel, There were many attempts to harmonize this rule with the European rules, but when you get 20+ folks around the table trying to compromise on what is best for the task at hand (a rule for the US), sometimes you have to give and take in areas where it may appear not to have been harmonized at all. Basically, we (industry) tried to get as much weight, horsepower, stall speed, and other freedoms (like no medical) as the FAA would allow. Their concern was endangerment to the innocent public if one of these planes goes down. Whatever the final numbers work out to be, I'm sure the FAA looked at the total energy imparted as a concern. Of course this is always mitigated by industry trying to get as much performance as possible (to justify the cost/benefit of doing this, after all, no one wants to guild or buy an aircraft that has no capability to be useful here in the US). At one time we even tried to get safety equipment excluded from the weight numbers so that someone could put something like a chute on their plane and not be penalized. I don't know yet if that concept survived. Everyone was well aware of the European rule and what they allowed. I'm sure that the folks who sat around the table developing the final industry input did their best to get the most that they could. In the final analysis, the numbers will be what the FAA decides it should be. They did hear all the arguments and they to, know the European rules. Hope this helps in the understanding of the US rule making process. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:40 PM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote: > There were many attempts to harmonize this rule with the European rules, I didn't know that. Did anything came out of it? I understand your perspective, Rick. But I was born in a country that has roughly the population of New York city, and moved to a country of half that population. Do you understand then why, for me, limiting national rules are a nonsense? I am a strong supporter of the European Union, which - unfortunately - Norway voted against. But if it worked for the United States (emphasis on "United") shouldn't it work for Europe? Yet, if I want to fly today to Denmark (just another tiny Scandinavian country) I need a special authorization and an increased insurance coverage. Isn't it silly? Couldn't it be nice if I could e.g. rent and fly a Kitfox in the US? But I can't, I don't have a PPL-A license, only a Norwegian Microlight one. Couldn't it be nice if Skystar makes a Kitfox around the Sport Pilot rule that sells to the European microlight pilots? But they can't, it will be too heavy for us. I admit, to get 20 people around a table to agree is hard; I sometimes have problems to agree only with my wife. But if you can compromise with 20, why can't you with 200? The answer is like everywhere else: Money. Commercial air and sea transport can agree to international rules; they have to if they want to trade. But sport aviation is only a hobby, no big money is involved. ... and this is why I said I feel deeply saddened. There is nothing more to it. Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:50 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Don, this might be a what if frogs had wings comment, but I would think there are a few things that might be grandfathered in as pilots switch to sport Pilot from Private pilot. For example I don't have a tail wheel endorsement. It was not required when I trained and my primary training was in a tail wheel airplane,and all but about 8 hours in my log book is in tail wheel aircraft. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Here is a site that explains the main points, > > including medical, in plain language: > > > > > > I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying in > Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book > endorsement". > > Who provides the training and who endorses the book? > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:38 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote: > There were many attempts to harmonize this rule with the European rules, I didn't know that. Did anything came out of it? I understand your perspective, Rick. But I was born in a country that has roughly the population of New York city, and moved to a country of half that population. Do you understand then why, for me, limiting national rules are a nonsense? Well, I don't mean to pour water on your fire, but we've been waiting for this rule for over ten frigging years. It brings back flyers who have lost their medical...and that is one of the most important elements in this new rule. Personally, I could care less that the rule does NOT interface internationally. Europe, Canada, Australia etc. all have their microlite rules and now we have ours. It is well overdue. I am ecstatic that the FAA was able to push this rule through the beurocratic maze. Steve ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:31 PM PST US From: dwight purdy Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and above the sport. No need for an endorsement. dwight At 10:10 AM 7/17/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > >Don, >Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the >Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of >Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could >receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor. > >But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the >SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add >a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just >take the written and practical tests? > > >Don Pearsall > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >AlbertaIV@aol.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > >In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Here is a site that explains the main points, > > including medical, in plain language: > > > > > >I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying >in >Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book >endorsement". > >Who provides the training and who endorses the book? > >Don Smythe >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > >--- >Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 --- ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:59 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Larry, I was part owner in an Aeronca Chief for a while and we bought an antenna that was made for composite airplanes. It was a dipole about 4 feet long. We glued it to a wood lath with "liquid nails" and mounted it inside the fuselage behind the baggage compartment with zip ties. I had an Icom A-22 and my partner had an A-23. Both radios worked incredibly well with it compared to the rubber duckies. I agree with the others that your signal may be affected by putting it inside the fuselage but ours worked great. It's another option for you anyway. Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV w/912S --- Lmar wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar > > > I currently use a handheld with a "rubber ducky" > antenna that comes with it. Are there any > advantages to use a "real" antenna? I was > considering mounting in the fuselage on the > underside of the luggage compartment floor. > > Knows nothing, > Larry > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:14 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sparta Fly In --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Anybody going to the fly in at Sparta Michigan tomorrow? Darrel ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:26 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Ha, ha just kidding, I know that Don S. Would have shat himself if I had another purple plane:) The pictures are very washed out looking....bad light or camera settings or something....anyway, here are three pics of the New Plane. Possibly will have better pics tomorrow....Definitely will get better ones for Sportflight!!! http://www.mvas.com/fox1.jpg http://www.mvas.com/fox2.jpg http://www.mvas.com/foxpanel.jpg Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:00 PM PST US From: dwight purdy Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy Here is your answer. Dwight Transitioning to a Sport Pilot Certificate Section 91. How do I obtain a sport pilot certificate if I already hold at least a private pilot certificate issued under 14 CFR part 61? (a) If you already hold at least a current and valid private pilot certificate issued under 14 CFR part 61, and you seek to exercise the privileges of a sport pilot certificate, you may do so without any further showing of proficiency, subject to the following limits: (1) You are limited to the aircraft category and class ratings listed on your existing pilot certificate when exercising your sport pilot privileges; (2) You must receive specific training for any make and model of light-sport aircraft in which you have not acted as pilot-in-command; and (3) You must receive a logbook endorsement from the authorized instructor who trained you and certified you are proficient in that make and model of light-sport aircraft. (b) If you want to exercise the privileges of a sport pilot for a category or class for which you are not currently rated, you must meet the applicable category and class requirements contained in sections 51 through 57 of this SFAR. At 05:43 PM 7/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy > >I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and above >the sport. No need for an endorsement. > > dwight > > >At 10:10 AM 7/17/2004 -0700, you wrote: > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > > >Don, > >Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the > >Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of > >Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could > >receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor. > > > >But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the > >SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add > >a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just > >take the written and practical tests? > > > > > >Don Pearsall > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > >AlbertaIV@aol.com > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > > >In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > > Here is a site that explains the main points, > > > including medical, in plain language: > > > > > > > > > >I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying > >in > >Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book > >endorsement". > > > >Who provides the training and who endorses the book? > > > >Don Smythe > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > >--- > >Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 > > >--- > > >--- >Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 --- ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:02 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" A private pilot requires a log book endorsement for tailwheel. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwight purdy Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: dwight purdy I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and above the sport. No need for an endorsement. dwight At 10:10 AM 7/17/2004 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > >Don, >Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the >Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of >Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could >receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor. > >But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the >SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add >a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just >take the written and practical tests? > > >Don Pearsall > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >AlbertaIV@aol.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > >In a message dated 7/17/04 8:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Here is a site that explains the main points, > > including medical, in plain language: > > > > > >I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying >in >Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book >endorsement". > >Who provides the training and who endorses the book? > >Don Smythe >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > >--- >Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 --- == == == == ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:36 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Hello All, I am starting a project and need the lists help. What I would like to do is to get all of the Skystar and Denny Aircraft promotional videos and transfer them to a DVD. I would then distribute them to anyone on the list that is interested for a small fee to cover my costs. I have contacted Skystar to get their permission. They didnt have a problem with my idea but they would like to view the DVD before I send it out. I currently have three promotional videos. One is of a Model II from Denny Aircraft and two from Skystar. If anyone has some that I dont have and would like to loan/sell them to me, please contact me off list. Thanks, Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV w/912S ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:21 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna --> Kitfox-List message posted by: an inside antenna will save on drag and with a fabric covered airframe you should not see much difference in radio range or reception quality but a ground plane (plate) is a must. Kirk Hull A&P > > Don, > > > > What is the consequence of an inside antenna? > > > > Thanks, > > > > I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good reception. I > used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the antenna plate > just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling a hole > in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint. > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:21 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: It is not in the federal Register yet. You might want to check your insurance policy for a current medical clause. Kirk Hull > > Subject: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Final Hurdle! > > > > Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is due > in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting one? > Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy??? > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:51 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/17/04 4:00:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pianome2@mchsi.com writes: > > Ha, ha just kidding, I know that Don S. Would have shat himself if I had > another purple plane:) > You got that right. When I saw that subject line, all kind of thoughts went through my head. Nobody in their right mind would paint an airplane Purple. Especially when it's a known fact that Bald Eagles love mating with other Purple birds. Glad you are getting close to a finish product. Now, off to look at the pics. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:53 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/17/04 4:00:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pianome2@mchsi.com writes: > The pictures are very washed out looking....bad light or camera settings or > Howard, You're right, the pics suck. On the other hand, it ain't purple. BTW, you were supposed to get that thing finished a year or more ago. What's the problem? Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:47 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/17/04 5:50:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes: > > It is not in the federal Register yet. You might want to check your > insurance policy for a current medical clause. > > Kirk Hull > > Kirk, Very good point. Thanks Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:28 PM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com There are many things that affect the effectiveness. Yes, there is some black Magic, but a verticaly mounted, away from any metal (including metal tubing from a from a fabric covere fuse) is always better.... Its not a case it wont work one way and will the other, its a case how much % better. or worse. I also now use a handheld because my panel mounted radio started to give me trouble, and its works very well with the hand held antenna... A23 great handheld! DAve KF 2 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:53 PM PST US From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" Hey Howard! Another great plane. Congratulations! That is an interesting paint job. Look at yours, and then look at this one seen at Arlington last week. Are they brothers? http://www.sportflight.com/nweaa2004/images/P7100079.JPG Don Pearsall -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Howard Firm Subject: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" Ha, ha just kidding, I know that Don S. Would have shat himself if I had another purple plane:) The pictures are very washed out looking....bad light or camera settings or something....anyway, here are three pics of the New Plane. Possibly will have better pics tomorrow....Definitely will get better ones for Sportflight!!! http://www.mvas.com/fox1.jpg http://www.mvas.com/fox2.jpg http://www.mvas.com/foxpanel.jpg Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:23 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna --> Kitfox-List message posted by: You should also look at AC43.13-2A Chapter 3 " Antenna Installations". It discusses flush mount antennas covered with fiber glass but does not mention specifically antennas mounted inside of a frabic covered airframe. Section C States " On fabric covered or aircraft with other types of nonmetallic skin, the Manufacturers recommendations should be followed in order to provide the NECESSARY GROUND PLANE." Fig 3.2 gives an acceptable method of accomplishing this. At one time you could get this A/C at FAA.GOV under Adviseory Circulars > an inside antenna will save on drag and with a fabric covered airframe you > should not see much difference in radio range or reception quality but a > ground plane (plate) is a must. > > Kirk Hull A&P > > > > > Don, > > > > > > What is the consequence of an inside antenna? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good reception. I > > used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the antenna > plate > > just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling a > hole > > in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint. > > > > Don Smythe > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:28 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" I saw that picture that you took!!!! I got a good laugh out of it!!! As for being a year late Don, Weren't you supposed to come and help??? Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pearsall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Purple Monster 2 Pictures > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" > > Hey Howard! Another great plane. Congratulations! That is an interesting > paint job. Look at yours, and then look at this one seen at Arlington last > week. Are they brothers? > > http://www.sportflight.com/nweaa2004/images/P7100079.JPG > > Don Pearsall ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:07 PM PST US From: "RICHARD HUTSON" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" If you already have a 3rd class, why would you give it up and limit yourself to the type of aircraft you can fly. The rule has past omb and may be past into law soon, but how soon and what its implementation date will be. It could be as early as 30 days or as long as 180 days. To give you an example, there were new hours of service rules past and put into effect 1/1/04. A Federal Appeals Court has over turned that law and we now go back to a 60 year old rule which is outdated to say the least! If you have it keep for now. The best reason I can give you for now is CYA. > > > You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night. Plus > we don't know what day if will become effective. > > > Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the impression > that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need for the > medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to fly at night. > > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:51 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: Kitfox-List: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" Please do any of you turbo Subaru folks have pic of the correct position of the spacers that go on the linkage plate. I cant even remember if they are really suppose to be there. If no pics maybe just how it is mounted. Thanks P.S. working on a hard line return from the turbo. Will let everyone know how it goes. Hate that rubber hose where it is. ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:27 PM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" ...the sky is falling, the sky is falling... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD HUTSON Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" If you already have a 3rd class, why would you give it up and limit yourself to the type of aircraft you can fly. The rule has past omb and may be past into law soon, but how soon and what its implementation date will be. It could be as early as 30 days or as long as 180 days. To give you an example, there were new hours of service rules past and put into effect 1/1/04. A Federal Appeals Court has over turned that law and we now go back to a 60 year old rule which is outdated to say the least! If you have it keep for now. The best reason I can give you for now is CYA. > > > You still need to get one! especially if you are going to fly at night. Plus > we don't know what day if will become effective. > > > Can you explain why I still need to get one. I was under the impression > that one of the best things about Sport Pilot is the lack of a need for the > medical. I know we still don't have a firm date and I don't plan to fly at night. > > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > == == == == ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:28 PM PST US From: "RICHARD HUTSON" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" Albert, High Blood Pressure will not effect you, I take 2 blood pressure pills per day, both are approved for flying. Cholesterol is not even checked, this from an AMES giving a Wings briefing in Memphis. You would simply have to make sure any medication you are on is FAA approved. I just trying to get a third class now and have to see an Eye specialist, plus a family history because of my high blood pressure and diabetics and I can still get a 3rd class. and Last but not least, I'm color blind and deaf in 1 ear. And you think you have something to worry about!!! So I get another eye exam next week, do a family history, get a letter from my doctor at to my general, a blood test, an ekg and its time to rock and roll. And just for the hell of it, I take 6 pills for breakfast and 2 for dinner. Stop whining and get the damn physical. . > > Steve > > > You have found me out....Since my last flight physical, I had a "SLIGHT" > touch of high blood pressure plus high Cholesterol. As a result, I have lost 50 > lbs through diet and on Cholesterol medication. BP is back good with no > medication. I kind of hate to bring all this to a flight examiners's attention if I > don't have to. As you pointed out, why take the chance of getting denied? > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:57 PM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com Grant, I have a video or two. If you give me your phone number I''ll call with specifics. Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:17 PM PST US From: Mdkitfox@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com In a message dated 7/17/2004 5:25:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michel@online.no writes: I understand your perspective, Rick Michel, I didn't really have a perspective, I was just trying to relay how we got where we did. I agree with you when you say: "Do you understand then why, for me, limiting national rules are a nonsense?" Yes, and I think it's sad that are there so many nationally driven rules to begin with. If we just had one world wide minimum set of aviation rules life would be a lot better and easier, but unfortunately that's not the world we live in. I'm just happy that we finally got this rule done -- it's taken over 7 years and a lot of hard work by many (some think that's quick for the US). If only I were King... Rick Weiss Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:04 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" I think Don Smytheeee is worried about the time when he can't pass the Flight Physical and then has to fly as a sport pilot. After the rule is out, it might be a good question for the National EAA! bh > I was always under the impression that a private holder is over and above > the sport. No need for an endorsement. > > dwight > > >Don, > >Any current flight instructor could endorse your logbook if you get the > >Sport Pilot license. When the rule is published, there will be a category of > >Sport Pilot instructor who could also endorse your logbook. You could > >receive training for the sport pilot license from either instructor. > > > >But that brings up another question that I did not see answered on the > >SportPilot web site. What does a private pilot have to do if he wants to add > >a sportpilot certificate. Can he bypass the training requirements and just > >take the written and practical tests? > > > > > >Don Pearsall > >I see one thing there that would affect many including myself. "No flying > >in > >Class D airspace unless you have received training and a log book > >endorsement". > > > >Who provides the training and who endorses the book? > > > >Don Smythe > >DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:31 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox- List: adjusting the carburetors --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Gil, drop the idle rpm down to 1600-1700, and watch the float dissappear. Then increase throttle during taxi after the little 582 stops turning fast. bh > Don, > > Can you elaborate on your carb adjustment process for those of us less informed? Also can you tell me what rpm you run at idle( ie: short final)? I float an awful lot on landing!!! > Thanks > Gil Levesque > Model 4 1050-582 > 45hrs. and begining to really enjoy the Fox ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:52 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Don, I would recommend still trying to pass the flight physical. More priveleges. bh > Can someone break this down into common language? My flight physical is due > in a few weeks. Does this mean that I don't have to worry about getting one? > Just keep the old Virginia drivers license handy??? > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:51 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" Michel In America, German sailplanes are all incredible. Spanish sailplanes are....WHAT spanish sailplanes....they don't even make Hang Gliders. Speaking of which, in Hang Gliding German standards are considered the best. So the answer to your last question is obvious. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Verheughe" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > kurt schrader wrote: > > Here is a site that explains the main points, > > including medical, in plain language: > > > > I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one mention of any attempt to > international co-operation. In Europe, we work hard to get a joint "microlight" > rule. If the US is playing alone, it won't help. > You will probably say: "Yes but, in Europe, you can easily fly from one country > to another, while the US is so wide." True, but I am thinking about the > manufacturing of light aircraft. If you have 560 kg MTOW and we have 450, it > won't help anybody. Things are though enough as they are. E.g. if you want to > import a new microlight plane in Norway, it has to be type approved and it > costs a lot of money. Unless it is already approved in Sweden and/or Germany. > ... does that makes sense? Why not France, UK, Moldavia, Luxemburg ...? Are the > aviation authorities smarter in Sweden or Germany? Or is it just another > bureaucratic imbecility? > > Cheers, > Michel > > ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:20 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Maule tire replacement question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" Ted Yes and Yes. That is the part number and it needed different bearings for the shaft. Or the slack could be tightened with a piece of tubing. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Maule tire replacement question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" > > Hey Jim, > > For your Maule did you order the homebuilder's 6" > replacement wheel/tire/bearings (Spruce P/N 06-03600 > for $26.40) or are different bearings needed? > > Thanks in advance. > > Ted > > > --- Original Message --- > From: "jimshumaker" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Maule > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" > > > > >Michel > > > >I have no experiance with the complete unit. > >I believe that the 45 20 and 10 is the angle that is > bent into the tail > >spring to which the tailwheel attaches. > > > >Jim Shumaker > > > >