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1. 01:49 AM - (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot (Michel Verheughe)
2. 03:32 AM - Re: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage (Howard Firm)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
4. 05:05 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Mark Schindler)
6. 05:32 AM - Re: Maule (Michel Verheughe)
7. 05:56 AM - Re: Maule (Clifford Begnaud)
8. 06:45 AM - Engine Mounts (Jim Gilliatt)
9. 07:02 AM - Re: Com Antenna (Lowell Fitt)
10. 07:14 AM - Re: Maule (Lowell Fitt)
11. 07:26 AM - Com Antenna Results (Lmar)
12. 08:08 AM - Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot (RICHARD HUTSON)
13. 08:34 AM - Re: Com Antenna (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
14. 08:54 AM - Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos (Grant Fluent)
15. 08:57 AM - Re: Com Antenna (Jerry Liles)
16. 09:04 AM - Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot (Michel Verheughe)
17. 09:06 AM - Re: Maule (Michel Verheughe)
18. 09:10 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle (Fox5flyer)
19. 09:12 AM - Re: Tailwheels (kurt schrader)
20. 09:20 AM - Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot (RICHARD HUTSON)
21. 09:26 AM - Re: Tailwheels (Clifford Begnaud)
22. 09:26 AM - Need fuel valve (Fox5flyer)
23. 09:34 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (kurt schrader)
24. 09:53 AM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (Howard Firm)
25. 09:55 AM - Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures (Howard Firm)
26. 10:02 AM - Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot (Jim Crowder)
27. 10:06 AM - Re: Com Antenna (Aerobatics@aol.com)
28. 12:13 PM - Re: Tailwheels (Michel Verheughe)
29. 12:45 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Lowell Fitt)
30. 12:57 PM - Re: Com Antenna (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
31. 12:59 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Steve Cooper)
32. 01:05 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Michel Verheughe)
33. 01:07 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule (John E. King)
34. 01:24 PM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears Fi... (Glenn Horne)
35. 01:35 PM - gas tank (Glenn Horne)
36. 01:51 PM - Re: Com Antenna (Bob Unternaehrer)
37. 02:28 PM - Re: Com Antenna (John E. King)
38. 02:36 PM - Re: Com Antenna (John E. King)
39. 02:46 PM - Re: gas tank (John E. King)
40. 03:15 PM - Re: gas tank (flier)
41. 04:06 PM - Re: Com Antenna (kurt schrader)
42. 04:13 PM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (kurt schrader)
43. 05:01 PM - Re: Com Antenna ()
44. 05:43 PM - Re: Engine Mounts (Rick)
45. 05:43 PM - Re: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage (Rick)
46. 06:10 PM - 912 for sale (Fox5flyer)
47. 06:11 PM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (Howard Firm)
48. 06:17 PM - Re: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage (Howard Firm)
49. 06:21 PM - Re: Need fuel valve (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
50. 09:02 PM - Re: NSI Turbo Question (kurt schrader)
51. 09:38 PM - Re: NSI idle RPM (kurt schrader)
52. 10:37 PM - Re: NSI idle RPM (Jim Crowder)
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| Subject: | (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
This is getting a bit off-topic, so I will answer Steve, Rick and Jim together.
Steve Cooper wrote:
> Personally, I could care less that the rule does NOT
> interface internationally. Europe, Canada, Australia etc. all have their
> microlite rules and now we have ours.
And I am also very glad for that, Steve. For me too, aviation was for most of
my life an unreachable dream ... until I discovered the microlight rule. I am
sure that the Sport Pilot class will open a new blooming in light aviation in
the US.
That was not my point. I am also afraid that some of you understood my initial
posting as a critic of the American system. That was neither my point as I also
emphasis the conflicts in the different European rules.
What was my point then? Here is an example: I am just back from the fly-in in
the Norwegian mountains where I met the Norwegian Jabiru agent for a quote on a
new engine. He tells me his prices are the lowest and he sells many engines
outside Norway. How is it possible? Because he invests a lot of money in
several engines and Jabiru planes coming from Australia in one shipping
container, and it saves a lot in shipping cost. But he takes a risk in
investing so much money.
Now, this is in the best spirit of free enterprise, isn't it? The spirit that
makes America great and keep us, consumers, happy with competitive prices.
If we want to have great products at moderate price on the market, we have to
have a global market. This is what the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
(GATT) of 1947 is all about. This agreement, on the initiative of the US, has
now 110 member countries who trade openly. Isolationism has never succeeded in
anything, look at Albania and North Korea.
Different rules are in the way of a global market. Nobody cares if Norway is
the only country in the world where you need a helmet to fly a Kitfox. But the
US is maybe half of the world's market. I find it then sad that they didn't
even mention a foreseeable attempt to, one day, come to a joint universal rule.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Rick,
Does this picture have what you need?
http://www.mvas.com/linkage.jpg
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
>
> Please do any of you turbo Subaru folks have pic of the correct position
of
> the spacers that go on the linkage plate. I cant even remember if they are
> really suppose to be there. If no pics maybe just how it is mounted.
>
> Thanks
>
> P.S. working on a hard line return from the turbo. Will let everyone know
> how it goes. Hate that rubber hose where it is.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/04 7:19:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pianome2@mchsi.com writes:
> I saw that picture that you took!!!! I got a good laugh out of it!!!
> As for being a year late Don, Weren't you supposed to come and help???
>
>
> Howard
>
>
Howard,
Yes, I was going to help after I retired. That was in Dec 03. I thought
you were finished?
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/04 7:36:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rhutson@midsouth.rr.com writes:
> If you already have a 3rd class, why would you give it up and limit
> yourself to the type of aircraft you can fly. The rule has past omb and may
> be past into law soon
The only thing I fly right now or, plan to fly is the Fox. Besides, you
don't give up or loose the medical. If you ever need it, just go get the
physical. Quite honestly, I'm retired, on fixed income, cheap and trying the
save
$125. The only drawback I see so far is the night flying rule. That means, you
can't fly 30 minutes before sunset (best part of the day)
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Jim
A spanish made plane - very nice http://www.esqualna.com and sold by Jabiru USA.
Take a look - Mark
jimshumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
Michel
In America, German sailplanes are all incredible. Spanish sailplanes
are....WHAT spanish sailplanes....they don't even make Hang Gliders.
Speaking of which, in Hang Gliding German standards are considered the best.
So the answer to your last question is obvious.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > Here is a site that explains the main points,
> > including medical, in plain language:
> >
>
> I am deeply saddened to see that there is not one mention of any attempt
to
> international co-operation. In Europe, we work hard to get a joint
"microlight"
> rule. If the US is playing alone, it won't help.
> You will probably say: "Yes but, in Europe, you can easily fly from one
country
> to another, while the US is so wide." True, but I am thinking about the
> manufacturing of light aircraft. If you have 560 kg MTOW and we have 450,
it
> won't help anybody. Things are though enough as they are. E.g. if you want
to
> import a new microlight plane in Norway, it has to be type approved and it
> costs a lot of money. Unless it is already approved in Sweden and/or
Germany.
> ... does that makes sense? Why not France, UK, Moldavia, Luxemburg ...?
Are the
> aviation authorities smarter in Sweden or Germany? Or is it just another
> bureaucratic imbecility?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
ewadsworth@aol.com wrote:
> Maule is talking about the angle your flat steel spring is in relation the the
> ground.
Thanks Ed. In fact, the manufacturer offering different angles is not Maule but
Aircraft Spruce own "Homebuilder Special."
Is it the general feeling that the latter is better than the Maule?
I am a bit dissapointed because Aircraft Spruce hasn't yet answered to my email.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Michel,
We put well over 600 hours on a "Homebuilder special" tailwheel on our first
model 5 kitfox. It was completely trouble free and worked perfectly on our
kitfox. The geometry was perfect and it would break loose at exactly the
right amount of deflection. It never shimmied, shook or vibrated and the
tire never fell off (like our previous Maule tire did!) It's still on the
plane and I expect that it will be for another 1000 hours. The tire was
replaced after 500+ hours (costs all of $25).
I plan to buy one to replace the 8" pneumatic Maule tailwheel on our new
model 5. The 8" Maule is picky about the angle of mounting, goes flat if you
look it crossways and breaks loose too soon.
Best Regards,
Cliff
Erie, CO
Kitfox 5, Lyc 0-235, 332 hours
>
> Thanks Ed. In fact, the manufacturer offering different angles is not
Maule but
> Aircraft Spruce own "Homebuilder Special."
> Is it the general feeling that the latter is better than the Maule?
> I am a bit dissapointed because Aircraft Spruce hasn't yet answered to my
email.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Hi Everybody,
I'm an S7 builder, and I am getting close to making an engine decision.
I am attending Oshkosh,
and I would like to research the possible engine choices and all the
requirements that go with it.
The big question in my mind is - if I have XYZ engine, is there a
company that will make/sell an
engine mount to mount it on ABC kit plane? I really liked the R2800,
but I'm afraid that it
would not look good on an S7, not to mention, being a sissy, I need
track record. I also liked
the Jabiru 3300, but the track record is a problem there also (for me).
They are both good
engines, I'm reasonably sure, but I'm not a pioneer.
Thanks,
Jim Gilliatt
RI
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Kirk, I must respectfully disagree. I have no ground plane and I have a
very strong clear signal by reports. In our 8 airplane flying group, my
transmissions are reported as being the "best". I hear this comment
frequently, especially when one of us is having trouble with readability.
Most problems in our group has been due to moisture in the connections
causing corrosion. This is my reason for questioning an aluminum ground
plane in steel structured airplane. Brass or copper yes, if you feel you
absolutely need a ground plane, but aluminum no. We had aluminum wiring in
a house we once owned - aluminum and electricity are very poor companions in
my opinion.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
> an inside antenna will save on drag and with a fabric covered airframe you
> should not see much difference in radio range or reception quality but a
> ground plane (plate) is a must.
>
> Kirk Hull A&P
>
>
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > What is the consequence of an inside antenna?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> >
> > I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good reception.
I
> > used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the antenna
> plate
> > just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling a
> hole
> > in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I only have aobut 200 hours on my Home Builder Special, but my perceptions
are exactly the same.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Maule
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud"
<shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
>
> Michel,
> We put well over 600 hours on a "Homebuilder special" tailwheel on our
first
> model 5 kitfox. It was completely trouble free and worked perfectly on our
> kitfox. The geometry was perfect and it would break loose at exactly the
> right amount of deflection. It never shimmied, shook or vibrated and the
> tire never fell off (like our previous Maule tire did!) It's still on the
> plane and I expect that it will be for another 1000 hours. The tire was
> replaced after 500+ hours (costs all of $25).
> I plan to buy one to replace the 8" pneumatic Maule tailwheel on our new
> model 5. The 8" Maule is picky about the angle of mounting, goes flat if
you
> look it crossways and breaks loose too soon.
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> Erie, CO
> Kitfox 5, Lyc 0-235, 332 hours
>
> >
> > Thanks Ed. In fact, the manufacturer offering different angles is not
> Maule but
> > Aircraft Spruce own "Homebuilder Special."
> > Is it the general feeling that the latter is better than the Maule?
> > I am a bit dissapointed because Aircraft Spruce hasn't yet answered to
my
> email.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Com Antenna Results |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lmar <my93avid@yahoo.com>
I installed a 45 degree whip antenna to the rear vertical pannel on the back of
the luggage area. It points down to the middle of the fuselage. I did ease
the angle a bit so it would not interfere with anything. The results were better
than using the "rubber ducky" that I had been using. I could hear attis being
transmitted loud and clear from about 200' agl, 20 miles away. I contacted
approach from the same distance and they hear me loud and scratchy. I close
the doors and tried again and the heard me loud and clear. Just as important,
I could hear everyone else clearly too. I could have the squelch down and
did not pick up engine/strobe noise. I consider the installtion a success. I
did not want to fly farther away to find out the range, as I feel that what I
did find was very adaquate for my VFR flying.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
Michel, if the US controls half of the world market, the rest of the world
needs to follow us. It would only take a few countries to follow suit and
we would control over 50 % and could dictate policy. There is one store in
the US that pretty much controls prices on soft lines at the low end and its
called Wal-Mart. IN Canada, the is a store that every goes to everything
except food lines and the pretty control prices there. Europe needs to get
one policy collectively. It must be a pain in the butt for you guys to fly
to different countries. The closes I have been to Europe, was why in the Air
Force living in Kelavik, Iceland.
Should you every make it to Memphis, TN, I will take you and better half out
for some BBQ.
Richard
>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Kirk, I must respectfully disagree. I have no ground plane and I have a
very strong clear signal by reports. In our 8 airplane flying group, my
Lowell,
I don't have a ground plane either but, a very very smart Electronic
Engineer/Radio buff told me that a ground plane would "improve" performance. He
suggested taking 4 simple alligator clips and attaching to the base of the
antenna and simply stretching them out in 4 different directions. His comment
was
that the simple alligator clips would show the improvement that a ground
plane provides. This is his stake on the need for a ground plane. I have not
tried it.
On the other hand, how far and how clear does the ground plane make a
difference. One without the plane can transmit 20.5 miles. The other with plane
can transmit 21.2 miles. Then again, maybe the longer range was due to
atmospheric conditions??????? I think this ground plane verses no ground plane
is
just about like splitting hairs.
However, a simple external mounted antenna made a significant difference
over the Duck. On receive, I went from maybe 7 miles (barely readable) to
maybe 20 miles (clear) on listening to ADIS. The tower also reported much
improvement in transmission.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hi Rick,
Thanks for your reply. My home number is
402-355-2230. I'll be home today (Sunday) until about
4:30 central time and then later in the evening after
8:00.
Grant
--- Mdkitfox@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
>
> Grant,
>
> I have a video or two. If you give me your phone
> number I''ll call with
> specifics.
>
> Rick Weiss
> Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
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>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Fellas,
if you have the antenna attached to the airplanes tubing, particularly
at a junction, you have a ground plane. Twenty miles range is still
rather minimal for aircraft communication, since you have to call into
ATC much further out for class B and C airspace. You can make a plane
with strips of copper tape glued to the fabric meeting at the antenna,
or , even some aluminum foil glued to the fabric centered on the
antenna. I also think an external antenna is the way to go since it is
not surrounded by signal blanking metal tubes. Try the ground plane and
see what happens.
Jerry Liles
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
>Kirk, I must respectfully disagree. I have no ground plane and I have a
>very strong clear signal by reports. In our 8 airplane flying group, my
>
>
>Lowell,
> I don't have a ground plane either but, a very very smart Electronic
>Engineer/Radio buff told me that a ground plane would "improve" performance.
He
>suggested taking 4 simple alligator clips and attaching to the base of the
>antenna and simply stretching them out in 4 different directions. His comment
was
>that the simple alligator clips would show the improvement that a ground
>plane provides. This is his stake on the need for a ground plane. I have not
>tried it.
> On the other hand, how far and how clear does the ground plane make a
>difference. One without the plane can transmit 20.5 miles. The other with plane
>can transmit 21.2 miles. Then again, maybe the longer range was due to
>atmospheric conditions??????? I think this ground plane verses no ground plane
is
>just about like splitting hairs.
> However, a simple external mounted antenna made a significant difference
>over the Duck. On receive, I went from maybe 7 miles (barely readable) to
>maybe 20 miles (clear) on listening to ADIS. The tower also reported much
>improvement in transmission.
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
RICHARD HUTSON wrote:
> Michel, if the US controls half of the world market, the rest of the world
> needs to follow us.
It is already a fact, Richard. Why do you think, before take-off, I call - in
English - the tower, requesting altitude in feet, instead of meters ... in Norwegian?
80% of what we see on the television is American movies, sitcoms, talkshows and
documentaries. I can name all the American presidents since WWII, yet I have no
idea who governs Belgium today, the country where I was born and grew up.
So, it would be with great pleasure that I would see Europe (and the rest of
the world, for the matter) to adopt the US Sport Pilot rule. But once again I
feel you misread me: I don't care who makes the rule, I care that the
rulemakers are not talking together.
And now I am sorry I started this because you guys are working hard at giving
me US hostile intentions, which is entirely wrong. Did you, for one second,
imagine that I suggested e.g. that the US Sport Pilots should wear a helmet,
like in Norway? Ha, ha, ha! That would be the day! Then it must be a viking
helmet with horns, as Kurt once suggested, right? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
> We put well over 600 hours on a "Homebuilder special" tailwheel on our first
> model 5 kitfox. It was completely trouble free and worked perfectly on our
> kitfox.
Thanks Cliff and Lowell, I'll go for the "Special," then! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Pilot Clears Final Hurdle |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
It looks like a Pulsar.
Darrel
> A spanish made plane - very nice http://www.esqualna.com and sold by
Jabiru USA.
>
> Take a look - Mark
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel and the List,
If I remember correctly, the homebuilders' tailwheel
is lighter than the Maule. Great but...
Make sure that when you change tailwheels, you do a
new W&B too. A few lbs difference way back there
makes a big difference in CG location.
Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
Michel,
I am not hostile towards you. I agree that everyone should try to work
together. But since we are the "super power " if we get a few other
countries to work together, we force ( for lack of a better word) the rest
to follow suit. For you to have to wear a helmet is simple stupid in my
option.
You are trying to get in touch with Aircraft Spruce about a part if you will
sent me the info you need, I will call them Monday morning and there get an
answer and email you back.
The fact that you can name every president since WWII, is better than I can
do, by a long shot.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Kurt is absolutely correct about this and I failed to mention it. It moved
our CG forward a little when we changed.
Cliff
do not archive
>
> Michel and the List,
>
> If I remember correctly, the homebuilders' tailwheel
> is lighter than the Maule. Great but...
>
> Make sure that when you change tailwheels, you do a
> new W&B too. A few lbs difference way back there
> makes a big difference in CG location.
>
> Kurt S.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Does anybody out there have a Skystar supplied fuel shut off valve of the
type used in the model IVs on up? It says "Imperial" on the handle. If
anybody out there has one they can let go, please let me know with details
off list.
Thanks,
Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Turbo Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Howard,
Well, you may have no problem then. Just the lack of
the accellerator pump could do it.
Nice pics, but you underexposed them. That is why
they are thin. Or maybe light doesn't travel as fast
way up 'Nord... :-) Can't wait until you fly your new
plane and compare the performance.
Is that an NSI scoop you have or did you make it? I
have only seen an NSI one for the IV, round cowl and
smaller radiators so far. And what about the side
cowl exit vents? Yours?
I must have a dark cloud this year. Now my hangar
flooded too and I spent yesterday cleaning up. The
owner said it was the first time it flooded in over 20
years. The storm was strong enough to rut his drive,
come in to his house from 2 sides and .... ring his
door bell at 3am?
Kurt S.
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have two gauges....a last minute add on...I
> like it though...Maybe I have no prob with the
> throttle, I can move it faster than I will ever need
> to without a problem....I'm just comparing it to my
> non turbo EA-81...exhaust color is a chalky
> brown/grey.
>
> Howard
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Turbo Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Yes, Kurt, I learned a lot about F-stop and shutter speed this morning...I
will have better pictures this evening...I had to re-do the scoop as the
previous owner did not make it tall enough. The side vents are to let hot
air go through past the exhaust. Doing the bubble doors today....nutserts
are a lovely invention!!
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Howard,
>
> Well, you may have no problem then. Just the lack of
> the accellerator pump could do it.
>
> Nice pics, but you underexposed them. That is why
> they are thin. Or maybe light doesn't travel as fast
> way up 'Nord... :-) Can't wait until you fly your new
> plane and compare the performance.
>
> Is that an NSI scoop you have or did you make it? I
> have only seen an NSI one for the IV, round cowl and
> smaller radiators so far. And what about the side
> cowl exit vents? Yours?
>
> I must have a dark cloud this year. Now my hangar
> flooded too and I spent yesterday cleaning up. The
> owner said it was the first time it flooded in over 20
> years. The storm was strong enough to rut his drive,
> come in to his house from 2 sides and .... ring his
> door bell at 3am?
>
> Kurt S.
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| Subject: | Re: Purple Monster 2 Pictures |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
> Howard,
> Yes, I was going to help after I retired. That was in Dec 03. I
thought
> you were finished?
>
> Don Smythe
Ahhhh Don, that sounds like some kind of Government excuse.....
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: (Off-Topic) Sport Pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
At 02:48 AM 7/18/2004, you wrote:
>But the
>US is maybe half of the world's market. I find it then sad that they didn't
>even mention a foreseeable attempt to, one day, come to a joint universal
>rule.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
Michael,
From a very selfish viewpoint, with our one half of the world's market, it
is more important to us in the U.S. to broaden the scope of the relaxation
in government control, than to accept narrower standards and relaxation in
the rest of the world. The price of this world wide agreement is probably
too great. As it stands since I have an in flight adjustable pitch prop,
my plane will still not fall within the new class. I am awaiting a reading
of the new regulations.
Jim Crowder
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
Remember...the inverse Square rule applies here ....... always but there are
so many variables like a ground plane...like what is adjacent to the
antenna and so on....
We fly RC Modeles as a business. Have been doing it for over 30 years and
have learned how little I know in world of RF....
I have ...on a GOOD day got aprox 40 miles on a Icom A4 hooked up to an
external with no ground plane.... on top, externally ... apparently the A4 has
less power than the new A23 I have...
Its all fun learning though ...:-)
Dave
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> Make sure that when you change tailwheels, you do a
> new W&B too. A few lbs difference way back there
> makes a big difference in CG location.
Roger! Wilco, Cpt Kurt! :-)
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Don, this is my point exactly. the engineers say this and we do it
regardless of what works in practice. I was a HAM radio operator and
studied - at least to a point - antenna theory. Yes indeed a "ground plane"
us an essential part of vertical antenna which our whip antenna is. I guess
what I am trying to point out is that the mounting plate Skystar provided on
my airplane plus the electrically continuous tube structure is a perfectly
adequate ground plane and to add an additional ground plane is redundant and
adds another potential failure mode - corrosion between dissimilar metals.
I find no fault with those that added a ground plane, but I question a
blanket statement that one is necessary if the statement is intended to
imply that a square of metal or mesh or an arrangement of radial wires is
essential to the proper function of the com radio.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Kirk, I must respectfully disagree. I have no ground plane and I have a
> very strong clear signal by reports. In our 8 airplane flying group, my
>
>
> Lowell,
> I don't have a ground plane either but, a very very smart Electronic
> Engineer/Radio buff told me that a ground plane would "improve"
performance. He
> suggested taking 4 simple alligator clips and attaching to the base of the
> antenna and simply stretching them out in 4 different directions. His
comment was
> that the simple alligator clips would show the improvement that a ground
> plane provides. This is his stake on the need for a ground plane. I have
not
> tried it.
> On the other hand, how far and how clear does the ground plane make a
> difference. One without the plane can transmit 20.5 miles. The other
with plane
> can transmit 21.2 miles. Then again, maybe the longer range was due to
> atmospheric conditions??????? I think this ground plane verses no ground
plane is
> just about like splitting hairs.
> However, a simple external mounted antenna made a significant
difference
> over the Duck. On receive, I went from maybe 7 miles (barely readable) to
> maybe 20 miles (clear) on listening to ADIS. The tower also reported much
> improvement in transmission.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Don, this is my point exactly. the engineers say this and we do it
regardless of what works in practice. I was a HAM radio operator and
studied - at least to a point - antenna theory. Yes indeed a "ground plane"
us an essential part of vertical antenna which our whip antenna is. I guess
what I am trying to point out is that the mounting plate Skystar provided on
my airplane plus the electrically continuous tube structure is a perfectly
Lowell,
I tend to agree with you 100%. We all tend to make a mountain out of a
mole hill occasionally but, we always seem to learn something along the way.
FOR DISCUSSION ONLY, NOT TO CAUSE AN ARGUMENT WITH ANYONE, NOT POINTING
AT ANYONE AND, I REALLY DON'T CARE.
How's that for a disclaimer? Now, as ground planes go, I thought (say
again, thought) that a true ground plane had to have a definitive length based
on 1/2 wave length or some junk like that. If this is true, the mounting plate
and fuselage tubing is not the correct length to provide a true ground plane.
Is this a fair or dumb statement. Again, for discussion and I really don't
care.
BTW, when I mentioned 20 miles earlier I forgot to mention "AS AN EXAMPLE
ONLY".
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I think the numbers are a TCPIP address of the host server.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Don, this is my point exactly. the engineers say this and we do it
> regardless of what works in practice. I was a HAM radio operator and
> studied - at least to a point - antenna theory. Yes indeed a "ground
plane"
> us an essential part of vertical antenna which our whip antenna is. I
guess
> what I am trying to point out is that the mounting plate Skystar provided
on
> my airplane plus the electrically continuous tube structure is a perfectly
> adequate ground plane and to add an additional ground plane is redundant
and
> adds another potential failure mode - corrosion between dissimilar metals.
>
> I find no fault with those that added a ground plane, but I question a
> blanket statement that one is necessary if the statement is intended to
> imply that a square of metal or mesh or an arrangement of radial wires is
> essential to the proper function of the com radio.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> > Kirk, I must respectfully disagree. I have no ground plane and I have
a
> > very strong clear signal by reports. In our 8 airplane flying group, my
> >
> >
> > Lowell,
> > I don't have a ground plane either but, a very very smart Electronic
> > Engineer/Radio buff told me that a ground plane would "improve"
> performance. He
> > suggested taking 4 simple alligator clips and attaching to the base of
the
> > antenna and simply stretching them out in 4 different directions. His
> comment was
> > that the simple alligator clips would show the improvement that a ground
> > plane provides. This is his stake on the need for a ground plane. I
have
> not
> > tried it.
> > On the other hand, how far and how clear does the ground plane make
a
> > difference. One without the plane can transmit 20.5 miles. The other
> with plane
> > can transmit 21.2 miles. Then again, maybe the longer range was due to
> > atmospheric conditions??????? I think this ground plane verses no
ground
> plane is
> > just about like splitting hairs.
> > However, a simple external mounted antenna made a significant
> difference
> > over the Duck. On receive, I went from maybe 7 miles (barely readable)
to
> > maybe 20 miles (clear) on listening to ADIS. The tower also reported
much
> > improvement in transmission.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> Don, this is my point exactly. the engineers say this and we do it
> regardless of what works in practice. I was a HAM radio operator and
> studied - at least to a point - antenna theory. Yes indeed a "ground plane"
> us an essential part of vertical antenna which our whip antenna is.
Indeed, it is, Lowell. But here are my two cents: Marine whip VHF antenna are
built with a ground plane that is a coil at its base. Isn't it the same for
aviation antenna?
Just wondering,
73 de LA0HA
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule |
Clears Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Don,
My flight physical only costs $70.00. Small country doctors don't rip
you off.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>The only thing I fly right now or, plan to fly is the Fox. Besides, you
>don't give up or loose the medical. If you ever need it, just go get the
>physical. Quite honestly, I'm retired, on fixed income, cheap and trying the
save
>$125. The only drawback I see so far is the night flying rule. That means, you
>can't fly 30 minutes before sunset (best part of the day)
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot Rule Clears |
Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Right John,
Don needs to go to my Doctor.
Only $50.00 bucks.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John E. King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Special EAA Chapter E-Gram: Sport Pilot
Rule Clears Fi...
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Don,
My flight physical only costs $70.00. Small country doctors don't rip
you off.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
>The only thing I fly right now or, plan to fly is the Fox. Besides, you
>don't give up or loose the medical. If you ever need it, just go get the
>physical. Quite honestly, I'm retired, on fixed income, cheap and trying
the save
>$125. The only drawback I see so far is the night flying rule. That
means, you
>can't fly 30 minutes before sunset (best part of the day)
>
>Don Smythe
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Have a problem with my tank(left side) on my model II.
Don Smith and I just finish breaking in the 582 last
Friday.All was good until Saturday morning when I walked in
the hanger I smelt gas.The fiberglass tank is leaking. It is
seeping out of the tank and going down the wing (insides) until
it gets to the 3rd Flaperon hinge and follows it to the Flaperon
and flow's into the Flaperon and exit's at the low end.(wing
folded). Anyone on the list got any idea how to fix this
without ripen the tank out?
HELP
Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
You've got a gooc signal now, but f you had a ground plain you would have a
better signal. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Kirk, I must respectfully disagree. I have no ground plane and I have a
> very strong clear signal by reports. In our 8 airplane flying group, my
> transmissions are reported as being the "best". I hear this comment
> frequently, especially when one of us is having trouble with readability.
>
> Most problems in our group has been due to moisture in the connections
> causing corrosion. This is my reason for questioning an aluminum ground
> plane in steel structured airplane. Brass or copper yes, if you feel you
> absolutely need a ground plane, but aluminum no. We had aluminum wiring
in
> a house we once owned - aluminum and electricity are very poor companions
in
> my opinion.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Com Antenna
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > an inside antenna will save on drag and with a fabric covered airframe
you
> > should not see much difference in radio range or reception quality but a
> > ground plane (plate) is a must.
> >
> > Kirk Hull A&P
> >
> >
> > > > Don,
> > > >
> > > > What is the consequence of an inside antenna?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm only guessing but, I think the fuselage would block good
reception.
> I
> > > used a Duck for a short while then put an outside antenna on the
antenna
> > plate
> > > just aft of the turtledeck. A big difference. I don't think drilling
a
> > hole
> > > in that plate would be that big a deal even after fabric and paint.
> > >
> > > Don Smythe
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
One of the important characteristics of an antenna design that has not
been discussed thus far has been the effective antenna pattern. That is
the propagated signal strength as measured in all directions from the
antenna. An omni-directional. antenna like the ones we use on out
aircraft needs to propagate with sufficient strength in all directions.
Directional antennas propagate in only one direction or in a vary narrow
beam width. The ground plane, no matter if it is the aircraft structure
or a symmetrical antenna ground plane will determine the shape of the
antenna pattern.
In our aircraft we want to propagate the signal as far as possible in
all directions. In most long distance instances we are communicating
with destination airports in front of us, so we hope the antenna pattern
or signal strength is better in that direction. If we are only
concerned about communicating short distances, say between nearby
airports and other aircraft, then the antenna pattern or signal strength
is of a lesser concern.
I saw first hand how ground planes affect signal propagation while
working with NASA on the Saturn Program. We had an antenna range that
was used to evaluate space vehicle antenna performance. We would
measure the propagated signal strength on scaled down Saturn vehicle
antennas to determine its antenna pattern. The earth was our ground
plane. On dry summer days we had to wet down the earth surrounding the
antenna range with lawn sprinklers, so that we would have an adequate
ground plane. Amazing how much difference that made in signal propagation.
I have flown with other aircraft where our ability to communicate adequately was
dependent on where we flew relative to one another. At that time I assumed
that I was flying in a relatively low signal strength portion of their antenna
pattern. I concluded that based on the fact that the signal strength was better
in one location than another and that it was repeatable. One might say that
maybe it was my antenna pattern that had low signal strength areas, however,
since I had installed a metallic ground plane and the other aircraft did not,
they are presumed the guilty one. The antenna pattern becomes more critical
when your transmitter or receiver performance starts to degrade.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>Don, this is my point exactly. the engineers say this and we do it
>regardless of what works in practice. I was a HAM radio operator and
>studied - at least to a point - antenna theory. Yes indeed a "ground plane"
>us an essential part of vertical antenna which our whip antenna is. I guess
>what I am trying to point out is that the mounting plate Skystar provided on
>my airplane plus the electrically continuous tube structure is a perfectly
>adequate ground plane and to add an additional ground plane is redundant and
>adds another potential failure mode - corrosion between dissimilar metals.
>
>I find no fault with those that added a ground plane, but I question a
>blanket statement that one is necessary if the statement is intended to
>imply that a square of metal or mesh or an arrangement of radial wires is
>essential to the proper function of the com radio.
>
>Lowell
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Michael,
I believe that the coil at the base of the Marine VHF whip antenna is to
extend the electrical length of the antenna, otherwise the whip would
have to be much longer at those operating frequencies. I have the same
thing on my cell phone antenna on my vehicle and the metal roof of the
vehicle is the ground plane.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>
>>Don, this is my point exactly. the engineers say this and we do it
>>regardless of what works in practice. I was a HAM radio operator and
>>studied - at least to a point - antenna theory. Yes indeed a "ground plane"
>>us an essential part of vertical antenna which our whip antenna is.
>>
>>
>
>Indeed, it is, Lowell. But here are my two cents: Marine whip VHF antenna are
>built with a ground plane that is a coil at its base. Isn't it the same for
>aviation antenna?
>
>Just wondering,
>
>73 de LA0HA
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Glenn,
Make sure you know just where on the tank the leak is located. It may
be at the base of the fuel sight gauge. Sometimes the plastic type of
fittings become loose or have to be replaced. The fuel will go to the
bottom of the tank and flow down the underside of the tank to the
flaperon hinges. In that case it is an easy fix.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Glenn Horne wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
>
>Have a problem with my tank(left side) on my model II.
>Don Smith and I just finish breaking in the 582 last
>Friday.All was good until Saturday morning when I walked in
>the hanger I smelt gas.The fiberglass tank is leaking. It is
>seeping out of the tank and going down the wing (insides) until
>it gets to the 3rd Flaperon hinge and follows it to the Flaperon
>and flow's into the Flaperon and exit's at the low end.(wing
>folded). Anyone on the list got any idea how to fix this
>without ripen the tank out?
>HELP
>Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Glen,
Don't let that gas get into the flaperon. I don't
think it will do the foam formers in the flaperon any
good...
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King "
<kingjohn@erols.com>
>
>Glenn,
>
>Make sure you know just where on the tank the leak
is located. It may
>be at the base of the fuel sight gauge. Sometimes
the plastic type of
>fittings become loose or have to be replaced. The
fuel will go to the
>bottom of the tank and flow down the underside of
the tank to the
>flaperon hinges. In that case it is an easy fix.
>
>--
>John King
>Warrenton, VA
>
>
>Glenn Horne wrote:
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne"
<glennflys@rcn.com>
>>
>>Have a problem with my tank(left side) on my model
II.
>>Don Smith and I just finish breaking in the 582 last
>>Friday.All was good until Saturday morning when I
walked in
>>the hanger I smelt gas.The fiberglass tank is
leaking. It is
>>seeping out of the tank and going down the wing
(insides) until
>>it gets to the 3rd Flaperon hinge and follows it to
the Flaperon
>>and flow's into the Flaperon and exit's at the low
end.(wing
>>folded). Anyone on the list got any idea how to fix
this
>>without ripen the tank out?
>>HELP
>>Glenn Horne Suffolk, Va
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I agree Dave,
There are so many variables. On a hand held, the
radio case is the ground plane since you don't want to
have to stick a stake in the ground every where you
use it. :-) So it is a whip antenna and ground plane
case for them.
In the plane mounted antenna, you may have some ground
plane effect thru the cable outer sheith and the case
ground to the plane too. But neither of these is as
good as a ground plane right at the antenna base.
If you don't have ANY ground plane, besides loss of
range, the transmitter is going to be working very
hard and fail sooner. I think those who say they
don't have a ground plane are grounding thru the case
or the radio would soon get weaker or fail. Just MHO.
Kurt S.
--- Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>
> Remember...the inverse Square rule applies here
> ....... always but there are
> so many variables like a ground plane...like what
> is adjacent to the
> antenna and so on....
>
> We fly RC Modeles as a business. Have been doing it
> for over 30 years and
> have learned how little I know in world of RF....
>
> I have ...on a GOOD day got aprox 40 miles on a Icom
> A4 hooked up to an
> external with no ground plane.... on top,
> externally ... apparently the A4 has
> less power than the new A23 I have...
>
> Its all fun learning though ...:-)
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Turbo Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Howard,
It IS going to take longer to finish your plane if you
are going to have soooo much fun at it. ;-)
I might have to add side cowl vents to mine too.
Depends on how well my scoop airflow works.
Kurt S.
Do not archive.
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, Kurt, I learned a lot about F-stop and shutter
> speed this morning...I will have better pictures
> this evening...I had to re-do the scoop as the
> previous owner did not make it tall enough. The side
> vents are to let hot air go through past the
exhaust.
> Doing the bubble doors today....nutserts
> are a lovely invention!!
>
> Howard
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lowell
>
There may be many reasons that you are getting good reports on your
radio(like a good clean installation) but a ground plane could make it
better.
You should take a look at AC43.13-2A Chapter 3 " Antenna Installations" as
well as Fig 3.2 gives an acceptable
method of accomplishing this with aluminum foil. If you are unable to find
a copy I can scan this section and send it to you.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Jim,
I think you would be happy with the NSI EA-81 NON- turbo firewall foward
package.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Gilliatt
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt@att.net>
Hi Everybody,
I'm an S7 builder, and I am getting close to making an engine decision.
I am attending Oshkosh,
and I would like to research the possible engine choices and all the
requirements that go with it.
The big question in my mind is - if I have XYZ engine, is there a
company that will make/sell an
engine mount to mount it on ABC kit plane? I really liked the R2800,
but I'm afraid that it
would not look good on an S7, not to mention, being a sissy, I need
track record. I also liked
the Jabiru 3300, but the track record is a problem there also (for me).
They are both good
engines, I'm reasonably sure, but I'm not a pioneer.
Thanks,
Jim Gilliatt
RI
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| Subject: | Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Howard, almost. I need to see the area between the plate and the manifold.
From what I can see though, it doesn't look like there are any spacers
between the plate and the intake manifold.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Rick,
Does this picture have what you need?
http://www.mvas.com/linkage.jpg
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
>
> Please do any of you turbo Subaru folks have pic of the correct position
of
> the spacers that go on the linkage plate. I cant even remember if they are
> really suppose to be there. If no pics maybe just how it is mounted.
>
> Thanks
>
> P.S. working on a hard line return from the turbo. Will let everyone know
> how it goes. Hate that rubber hose where it is.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Brand new ad on Barnstormers. FYI
ROTAX 912UL 80 HP - STILL IN CRATE . AVAILABLE FOR SALE . I took this Rotax
in on partial trade for my Kitfox and have no need for it. S/N 4402077
According to Lockwood Aviation, it is approximately 4 yrs old. Never Run and
stored in crate. Save a lot of $$ from todays prices!! $8800 OBO +shipping.
Motivated Seller. . Contact Kyle Larson - located Aiken, SC USA . Telephone:
803-645-3227 . Posted July 17, 2004 . Show all Ads posted by this
Advertiser . Recommend This Ad to a Friend . Send a Message
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Turbo Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Kurt, I ordered header exhaust wrap from DEI and it is incredible
stuff....You can actually touch the hot exhaust pipes with bare
hands...works great for keeping the heat away from the cowling.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Howard,
>
> It IS going to take longer to finish your plane if you
> are going to have soooo much fun at it. ;-)
>
> I might have to add side cowl vents to mine too.
> Depends on how well my scoop airflow works.
>
> Kurt S.
> Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Ok, I didn't know where exactly you meant....I have no spacer there. By the
way, I ended up leaning my idle mixture 1/3 turn and got much better engine
performance....I think that I was too rich. My EGT gauges closely matched an
infrared temp tester. So I think I'm good there. I can idle at a much lower
RPM than before also...It was sometimes dieing at 1700-1800 not it idles
very nice at 1200. At 900 or so, the engine will die...is that normal? What
do you guys have your minimum idle set to?
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Howard, almost. I need to see the area between the plate and the manifold.
> From what I can see though, it doesn't look like there are any spacers
> between the plate and the intake manifold.
>
> Rick N656T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> Rick,
> Does this picture have what you need?
>
>
> http://www.mvas.com/linkage.jpg
>
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Intake manifold spacer to throttle linkage
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> >
> >
> > Please do any of you turbo Subaru folks have pic of the correct position
> of
> > the spacers that go on the linkage plate. I cant even remember if they
are
> > really suppose to be there. If no pics maybe just how it is mounted.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > P.S. working on a hard line return from the turbo. Will let everyone
know
> > how it goes. Hate that rubber hose where it is.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need fuel valve |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Darrel,
My Model V has a fuel valve with the name "Imperial" stamped on the handle.
It's brand new, never been out of the plastic bag, and is SS part number
46023.000. Is this what your looking for?
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Turbo Question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Howard,
I got 52 million goggle hits for DEI. Maybe you could
share some details on your wrap, pleez? It sounds
much better than the wrap I have now.
I added reflective surface insolation to the inside of
the cowl around the hot parts too. Turbo heat after
shutdown when there is no airflow is still a worry.
Right now I open the inspection hatches after shutdown
to let the heat out. The turbo is unwrapped since the
cooling air gives me my engine ice protection to the
intake.
My real problem is too much intake area pressurizing
the cowl. Considering the cowl, smile face and the
seperate radiator intake, that is about 140 total sq
inches of intake area. Long ago I added to my list of
things to do to close off some of the cowl intake
area, but that is still way in the future. I may need
more opening to let the air out, which is why your
side vents looked good.
The pressurized cowl really tests my firewall seal. I
like keeping the fire on the other side, which I know
you can understand.
Looking at your pics again, I see that you really have
a different cowl than mine. It appears that you don't
exhaust out the bottom at all, but out the sides and
exhaust hole. That keeps the radiator out of the hot
cowl exhaust. I'll be very interested in how well
that all works. :-)
Kurt S.
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
> <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> Kurt, I ordered header exhaust wrap from DEI and it
> is incredible stuff....You can actually touch the
> hot exhaust pipes with bare hands...works great
> for keeping the heat away from the cowling.
>
> Howard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Turbo Question
> >
> > Howard,
> >
> > It IS going to take longer to finish your plane if
> you are going to have soooo much fun at it. ;-)
> >
> > I might have to add side cowl vents to mine too.
> > Depends on how well my scoop airflow works.
> >
> > Kurt S.
> > Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: NSI idle RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Good question Howard,
I think the NSI cam doesn't like the low RPM's much.
Mine died at lower rpms too.
Like you, I like a good slow idle, but my
understanding is that we should keep it above 1800 to
save the gear clutch. Due to this, my flat pitch idle
is set at 1800-2000 rpm and I keep it above that for
all movements. It works out to a 2000 rpm flight idle
too and with the adjustable prop, I don't see a float
problem.
That helps keep my oil pressure up when hot as well.
Otherwise I need to cool it at higher rpm on descent
before I can use idle before or after landing.
It has to idle slow enough to go into reverse on the
ground though.
What do you other guys use?
Kurt S.
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
> ...it idles very nice at 1200. At 900 or so,
> the engine will die...is that normal? What
> do you guys have your minimum idle set to?
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Re: NSI idle RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Crowder <jimlc@att.net>
At 10:37 PM 7/18/2004, Rick wrote:
>I think the NSI cam doesn't like the low RPM's much.
>Mine died at lower rpms too.
Neither does Lance. He warns to always maintain oil pressure above 20
psi. It takes RPMs to do that. Be careful. I am very aware of these
things as I am about to resume flying my Model 5 with NSI's Turbo 140 and
CAP. I have been following the current threads with more than normal
interest. I just installed the Dawley's stainless crossover. It fit like
a glove. I have the two exhaust sensors installed and switched to left or
right as selected. We ran it on the ground with temps around 90 F for
about a half hour. The Temps were great but we developed an oil leak at
the banjo oil line fitting at the turbo and had to suspend operation. I
plan to have NSI make one up in the morning and overnight it to me. They
told me they have the parts on Thursday when I called. They were closed
Friday. So far, the best I am able to find in Loveland, Colorado, in the
way of regular still has about 8% alcohol as per our testing. For now I am
using it. I have a seeping leak, apparently around one wing sump drain and
I will be attacking that. I also need to have my transponder calibrated as
it has been over two years.
I have removed the thermostat as per Lance's recommendation. For now it
appears to allow the temps to stabilize in a good range. For this coming
winter, I will probably be trying a cowl flap on the after side of the
radiator scoop. Test flights will follow soon.
My thanks go to Tom Anderson for his great work on the Dawley Stainless
crossover. It has been a major factor in my new enthusiasm for
N64026. Also, Lance and NSI have always remained helpful. He always has
too many irons in the fire and he can be slow getting around to my needs,
but he has high standards for what he does get done, and whenever push
comes to shove, he has been there for me. Look around the industry. It is
a hard business and most have gone. NSI has endured.
One other thought: When emails address engine matters, it is very helpful
to those of us who are not always fully up to date, if the writers include
the engine make and model at the end, as many do already. I am doing it
here and will try to remember to do so in the future. Thank all of you for
the helpful open exchange of information and your help. And thank you
again Tom Anderson for your sharing that has helped me so much.
Jim Crowder
Model 5 with NSI's Turbo 140 and CAP
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