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1. 12:47 AM - Get that engine going as soon as possible and it might be ok. (Rex & Jan Shaw)
2. 12:56 AM - Rex I have never gotten a quick responce from Aircraft Spruce (Rex & Jan Shaw)
3. 02:33 AM - aopa program (broschart)
4. 03:44 AM - Re: Too much seat support? (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 03:49 AM - Re: aopa program (Fox5flyer)
6. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: Submerged Kitfox (Jim) (Jim Hakes)
7. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Submerged Kitfox (Jim) (LeRoy staley)
8. 05:52 AM - Re: Too much seat support? (Norm Beauchamp)
9. 06:45 AM - Re: Too much seat support? (Paul)
10. 07:41 AM - Re: negative 54 (Gary Algate)
11. 07:54 AM - Re: Too much seat support? (Randy Daughenbaugh)
12. 09:19 AM - Re: Too much seat support? (Jeffry Larson)
13. 12:43 PM - Re: aopa program (RICHARD HUTSON)
14. 01:33 PM - Re: Comm antennas and ground planes (Michel Verheughe)
15. 03:23 PM - Re: Elevator adjustment ()
16. 07:41 PM - Re: Rotax 670 (Steve Cooper)
17. 07:41 PM - Re: negative 54 (Jim Hakes)
18. 08:34 PM - Re: Elevator adjustment (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
19. 09:38 PM - Sad Day in Cameron Park (Lowell Fitt)
20. 09:43 PM - Re: Sad Day in Cameron Park (Cory Emberson)
21. 10:36 PM - Re: Sad Day in Cameron Park (jdmcbean)
22. 11:41 PM - Re: aopa program (collins@pali.com)
23. 11:50 PM - Re: NSI idle RPM (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Get that engine going as soon as possible and it might be |
ok.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Get that engine going as soon as possible and it might be ok. I helped a
couple guys with sunk boats in the past. Got em going the same afternoon
they sank.
My background is in boats and I concur with that. Get it going absolutely
straight away and get it up to temp for a while then change the oil again.
After that just start it perhaps daily and run for say 10 mins if not ready
to fly. after say 5 days it should be past any problems. Goodluck and my
sympathies it happened.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Rex I have never gotten a quick responce from Aircraft Spruce |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Rex I have never gotten a quick responce from Aircraft Spruce
Thanks guys I have at least got a message back that Aircraft Spruce is
setting up an agent in Australia for those of you here and in New Zealand.
The address is terryadair@netspace.net.au Let's hope this works better for
us.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i use windows me and netscape 4.7
when i go to the aopa site after the pass word log in i get a message
"welcome to the aopa online secure site" and the rest of the page is
blank and there is no way to get out of it or go on as no scroll bar
appears
anyone know how to fix this problem, so far aopa doesn't have any help
Have a good day - Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Too much seat support? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 7/20/04 7:34:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rkstevens@verizon.net writes:
> something of a sling that supports the seat pan. I fabricated two
> straps for each seat. The straps run fore & aft from the front tube
> (that tube that supports the front of the seat pan) to the back tube
> (the tube that supports the back of the seat pan). The straps have been
>
Randy,
I did the same two strap method. This safety issue already exist and is
also written up on the "KITFOXSAFE" listing on Sportflight. When I did my
straps, it was a concern on the list that "ONE" strap on each side might cause
the pilot to get ripped in half in case of an accident. I went to two straps
for that reason. One strap under each butt cheek to provide an even load. I
adjusted the straps so they would support the seat with no load but could be
pulled down with the tie wraps. I also added a cross strap that tied the two
main straps together right under your butt.
Scrap the 2X4
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: aopa program |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You need to upgrade your Netscape Charlie. I think it's up to 7.2 now.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "broschart" <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: aopa program
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
> i use windows me and netscape 4.7
> when i go to the aopa site after the pass word log in i get a message
> "welcome to the aopa online secure site" and the rest of the page is
> blank and there is no way to get out of it or go on as no scroll bar
> appears
>
> anyone know how to fix this problem, so far aopa doesn't have any help
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Submerged Kitfox (Jim) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jim Hakes" <jhakes@emily.net>
I talked to Lockwood in Florida and they advised me to get it running as
soon as possible and to change the oil many times. Then I have to get in to
it to see check for any damage from water.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Submerged Kitfox (Jim)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault"
<northernultralights@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Jim,
>
>
> I was just thinking and I personnaly don't think it is a good idea to run
your motor. The best advice I can give you is to drain it, don't turn it
over and call Bob Robertson ASAP. If you were in salt water this will also
make a difference as to what to do with it. Four strokes are completly
different as compared to two strokes in a situation like this. Personnaly,
running it will only cause more damage.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Marc Arseneault
> Ontario Canada
>
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| Subject: | Re: Submerged Kitfox (Jim) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: LeRoy staley <itis50@yahoo.com>
I havnt had any exp with submerging an airplane but
used to ride jet skis and sunk them lots. The first
thing you should do is pull the spark plugs and turn
the motor over to remove the water in the cylinders.
Then get that thing running or the bearings will rust
up. Good luck. LeRoy--- Jim Hakes <jhakes@emily.net>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jim Hakes"
> <jhakes@emily.net>
>
> I talked to Lockwood in Florida and they advised me
> to get it running as
> soon as possible and to change the oil many times.
> Then I have to get in to
> it to see check for any damage from water.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Arseneault"
> <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Submerged Kitfox (Jim)
>
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> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc
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> >
> > Jim,
> >
> >
> > I was just thinking and I personnaly don't think
> it is a good idea to run
> your motor. The best advice I can give you is to
> drain it, don't turn it
> over and call Bob Robertson ASAP. If you were in
> salt water this will also
> make a difference as to what to do with it. Four
> strokes are completly
> different as compared to two strokes in a situation
> like this. Personnaly,
> running it will only cause more damage.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Marc Arseneault
> > Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Too much seat support? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norm Beauchamp <nebchmp@wcc.net>
I found some nylon webbing used to tie down loads on trucks on sale for
a very reasonable price. 2" wide & 1200 lb. rated. Cut the hooks off
and attached the same way Ron described below.
Norm
Ronald K. Stevens wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens@verizon.net>
>
>I too had some concerns as to the strength of the fiberglass seat pans.
>I think one list member had his seat pan dislodge upon a firm landing
>and the seat pan then pinned the flaperon push-pull tube that runs
>underneath the port side seat which subsequently caused an accident. To
>keep this particular failure mode from happening in my model 6, I used
>some nylon webbing (basically, some 2" tow-strap material) to make
>something of a sling that supports the seat pan. I fabricated two
>straps for each seat. The straps run fore & aft from the front tube
>(that tube that supports the front of the seat pan) to the back tube
>(the tube that supports the back of the seat pan). The straps have been
>sewn on using heavy some very heavy thread -- more like cord actually --
>to the tubes. I had to use a sewing awl to do this. The seat pan is
>then supported by the straps. The seat pan -- even if it jumps off of
>the support tubes -- or even breaks -- won't be able to restrict the
>flaperon push-pull tubes. And, being nylon, the straps have some "give"
>to them -- so, hopefully, no back injuries in cause of a hard landing.
>
>Ron
>Series 6 -- NSI Turbo -- Cap 140
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Too much seat support? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
Yes, way to rigid. The straps or sling is similar IMO
Consider using voided foam (build it and drill holes in the final product). Light
weight foam from the building supplier with an epoxy overlay (one ply). Bond
it to the bottom of the seat and make it nest to the underlying structure. This
will prevent seat collapse and still provide some give in case of an accident
or hard landing. This method is used but several Kitfoxers.
Paul
==========
At 8:09 PM -0600 7/20/04, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
>I would like to pose a safety issue to the list. I am getting ready to fly
>my fox (!!!!!!!) and getting some pressure from two different people that I
>have great respect for, but disagree with on this point. (I always get
>worried when I don't agree with someone whom I think knows what they are
>talking about.)
>
>I put a planed down 2X4 under the seats. (Series 5) It is supported by the
>fuselage cross members and neatly supports the bottom of the fiberglass seat
>pan. One purpose is to keep the seats off the controls if the seat were to
>give way - on a hard landing maybe?
>
>The comments that I am getting is that I have created a spine crusher
>because now there is no "give" or deceleration area. I can see this point,
>but....... Well maybe I will wait to see if I get some opinions.
>
>Should I take out my 2X4?
>
>Randy - Series 5/7 912S N10NH - close, real close!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Jim
I had a Challenger with Puddle Jumper floats and had a similar accident.
I touched down about 50 Mtr from shore right in front of my house whn
the plane did a hard right turn and stood completely on its nose. Then
she slowly started to sink on the right float.
Luckily there were people near shore and we were able to get a canoe
under the right wing and this supported the plane until we got to shore.
As it turned out I had hit a large cormorant that was just surfacing and
this punched a hole in the front of the float. High pressure water did
the rest and it completely ripped the bottom skin off the float.
I was even more lucky as the engine and instruments stayed above water
level.
I checked into incident reports and found there have been numerous
similar cases were bottom skins have ripped off composite floats when
the floats were sunbected to side loads such as in your case.
By the way I used my Certified inflatable life jacket and found I had a
leak? Luckily I could basically walk to shore.
Gary
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | Too much seat support? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Thanks Paul, Ron, Don's and all,
I had been thinking of the straps and even a rigid foam crush plate, but my
position is more like Cliff expressed. If the 16" (+/-) that the tires and
spring gear give you is not enough deceleration space, is another inch going
to make a difference?
I know part of my stubbornness is due the fact that I did such a great job
of putting the 2X4 in there. :-) (Plus it will take some effort to get
it out!)
Cliff, soon there will be a windsock and tracks on my runway. Maybe your
next trip?
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Too much seat support?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
Yes, way to rigid. The straps or sling is similar IMO
Consider using voided foam (build it and drill holes in the final product).
Light weight foam from the building supplier with an epoxy overlay (one
ply). Bond it to the bottom of the seat and make it nest to the underlying
structure. This will prevent seat collapse and still provide some give in
case of an accident or hard landing. This method is used but several
Kitfoxers.
Paul
==========
At 8:09 PM -0600 7/20/04, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
>I would like to pose a safety issue to the list. I am getting ready to fly
>my fox (!!!!!!!) and getting some pressure from two different people that I
>have great respect for, but disagree with on this point. (I always get
>worried when I don't agree with someone whom I think knows what they are
>talking about.)
>
>I put a planed down 2X4 under the seats. (Series 5) It is supported by the
>fuselage cross members and neatly supports the bottom of the fiberglass
seat
>pan. One purpose is to keep the seats off the controls if the seat were to
>give way - on a hard landing maybe?
>
>The comments that I am getting is that I have created a spine crusher
>because now there is no "give" or deceleration area. I can see this point,
>but....... Well maybe I will wait to see if I get some opinions.
>
>Should I take out my 2X4?
>
>Randy - Series 5/7 912S N10NH - close, real close!
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| Subject: | Too much seat support? |
07/21/2004 10:19:26
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeffry Larson <jeffryl@us.ibm.com>
There was an article in either Experimenter or Sport Aviation in the last
few months (the cover had the Yellow RV-10). There was a very interesting
article from Oregon Aero, the seat expert that makes the seats used in the
RV-10. I found it to be a very eye opening article that pertains to this
conversation. The short of it, the web seat sling mentioned by others
seems to be the best idea (by far), but the long of it is to go read the
article yourself. It really opened my eyes, in fact, I think I will go
back and read it again.
Jeffry Larson
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| Subject: | Re: aopa program |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
Up date your Netscape or switch to Microsoft Internet Explorer
----- Original Message -----
From: "broschart" <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: aopa program
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
> i use windows me and netscape 4.7
> when i go to the aopa site after the pass word log in i get a message
> "welcome to the aopa online secure site" and the rest of the page is
> blank and there is no way to get out of it or go on as no scroll bar
> appears
>
> anyone know how to fix this problem, so far aopa doesn't have any help
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comm antennas and ground planes |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
You are right, Kurt and Ted, the VHF antenna coil is there to "see" the right
load on the antenna so that all power given by the PA unit is going out and not
returned.
In my simple vision (I don't repair what already works) I see it as the "tuning
unit" and, as such, meant that it worked also as a ground plane, also, the
"counterweight" that is needed to "shoot" radio waves. You seem to indicated
that this is not the case and therefore I stand corrected.
I use such "tuning units" at home and on my sailboat. At home, using a long
wire antenna, I need to turn those knobs to get coils and capacitors in tune so
that my ham radio "sees" the right load.
At sea, I have an "auto tuner" because it is located right under the stern and
the backstay that as use as an antenna.
In both cases I check a standing wave ratio meter to see that most of the power
is going into the antenna and not returning. I do that, even when I used a
three-elements beam, a dipole, a vertical or a long wire.
You are right, Kurt, the sea is the best ground plane and that is why I managed
to get QSO on my sailboat with only 5 watts, with the US and Canada. But to get
that, from the auto tuner, goes a thick braided copper wire to my steel keel. I
doubt that my marine VHF antenna, on the top of my 36 feet mast, has any
benefit from the sea since we are talking about the 2 meters (6 feet) bands.
But then again, I might be wrong.
Yes Ted, I also believe that a good electrical contact between the coax ground
and the chassis of the plane is more than enough a good ground plane.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
I looked in my manual and could not find it either. Sence there is no stops
I tend to think what ever you can get is fine. I did find rudder 30 deg
each side
>
> Hello list,
>
> I cant find in my Classic IV manual the page that
> says how many degrees up and down must the elevator
> have. I will fly the plane again after a ground loop
> repair. I moved the system and Im worried as I see
> the elevator in the up position a little bit
> "horizontal". Can someone help me?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Francisco Icaza.
>
> La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes.
http://net.yahoo.com.mx
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I used a 670 RAVE engine on my Avid Mark IV when I origionally built the
plane...about 83 HP. In order to get the most out of the engine I had to run
a 72" 3 blade IVO in flight adjustable prop. I set static for 6200. When I
was ready to take off I'd dial in blip of negative pitch and takeoff with
6700 rpm. It climbed like a bat and cruise was great...but after only 11
hours I decided to pull the RAVE engine and install a Jabiru 2200. I've
never regretted the decision.
Steve Cooper
Mark IV HH STOL, N919SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 670
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> I wonder how many 2 stroke rotax owners realise that you could have 670cc
> instead of 582cc or 618cc etc. and around 100 claimed HP. I didn't. Not
that
> I'm convinced it's a good idea but if you are even just curious take a
look
> at http://users3.ev1.net/~bwid/670.htm It also mentions a bit about a
> clutch that I knew existed but nothing about.
>
> Rex.
>
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jim Hakes" <jhakes@emily.net>
Thanks for the info. We have had many conversations as to why it happened
and have lost some sleep over it. What happened to you sure fits the bill.
Thanks, Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: negative 54
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
>
> Jim
>
> I had a Challenger with Puddle Jumper floats and had a similar accident.
> I touched down about 50 Mtr from shore right in front of my house whn
> the plane did a hard right turn and stood completely on its nose. Then
> she slowly started to sink on the right float.
>
> Luckily there were people near shore and we were able to get a canoe
> under the right wing and this supported the plane until we got to shore.
>
> As it turned out I had hit a large cormorant that was just surfacing and
> this punched a hole in the front of the float. High pressure water did
> the rest and it completely ripped the bottom skin off the float.
>
> I was even more lucky as the engine and instruments stayed above water
> level.
>
> I checked into incident reports and found there have been numerous
> similar cases were bottom skins have ripped off composite floats when
> the floats were sunbected to side loads such as in your case.
>
> By the way I used my Certified inflatable life jacket and found I had a
> leak? Luckily I could basically walk to shore.
>
> Gary
> Lite2/582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator adjustment |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
In a message dated 7/21/2004 6:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
I looked in my manual and could not find it either. Sence there is no stops
I tend to think what ever you can get is fine. I did find rudder 30 deg
each side
Kirk,
I don't know which model you have, but my Model V has a 25 degree
limitation. This was a change notice SkyStar sent out some time ago.
Rick Weiss
Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1
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| Subject: | Sad Day in Cameron Park |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
This afternoon a Robinson Exec. had a main rotor blade - according to witness -
separate from the rotor assembly and it crashed into a house near the airport.
Bill Finke a resident of Airpark Estates was killed in the accident and the
house was destroyed by the ensuing fire. No one on the ground was hurt.
Bill was an extraordinary man. His interest in aviation fed his main interest
in serving the people of Tanzania where he spent alternate three months periods.
His airplanes were used in his missionary work there. When home, he spent
countless hours in his hangar refurbishing airplanes that he would then ship
to Africa, sometimes ferrying them there himself.
It was his plan to use the Robinson to travel to the local airport from his compound
in the outlying area. A trip that took several hours on primitive trails
by automobile, but would take only a few minutes by air.
The Robinson had recently been fitted with a new tail boom and rotors as the original
ones had been damaged in a landing accident.
Bill and I flew together once and I have several minutes of him and his helicopter
in the air on video . I thought the Kitfox flew low and slow.
Sadly,
Lowell
Message 20
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| Subject: | Sad Day in Cameron Park |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
I am so sorry to hear of this... my condolences to you and to Bill's family.
Cory
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sad Day in Cameron Park
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
This afternoon a Robinson Exec. had a main rotor blade - according to
witness - separate from the rotor assembly and it crashed into a house near
the airport. Bill Finke a resident of Airpark Estates was killed in the
accident and the house was destroyed by the ensuing fire. No one on the
ground was hurt.
Bill was an extraordinary man. His interest in aviation fed his main
interest in serving the people of Tanzania where he spent alternate three
months periods. His airplanes were used in his missionary work there.
When home, he spent countless hours in his hangar refurbishing airplanes
that he would then ship to Africa, sometimes ferrying them there himself.
It was his plan to use the Robinson to travel to the local airport from his
compound in the outlying area. A trip that took several hours on primitive
trails by automobile, but would take only a few minutes by air.
The Robinson had recently been fitted with a new tail boom and rotors as the
original ones had been damaged in a landing accident.
Bill and I flew together once and I have several minutes of him and his
helicopter in the air on video . I thought the Kitfox flew low and slow.
Sadly,
Lowell
Message 21
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| Subject: | Sad Day in Cameron Park |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Lowell.
Our prayers are with you and his family.....
John & Debra McBean
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sad Day in Cameron Park
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
This afternoon a Robinson Exec. had a main rotor blade - according to
witness - separate from the rotor assembly and it crashed into a house near
the airport. Bill Finke a resident of Airpark Estates was killed in the
accident and the house was destroyed by the ensuing fire. No one on the
ground was hurt.
Bill was an extraordinary man. His interest in aviation fed his main
interest in serving the people of Tanzania where he spent alternate three
months periods. His airplanes were used in his missionary work there.
When home, he spent countless hours in his hangar refurbishing airplanes
that he would then ship to Africa, sometimes ferrying them there himself.
It was his plan to use the Robinson to travel to the local airport from his
compound in the outlying area. A trip that took several hours on primitive
trails by automobile, but would take only a few minutes by air.
The Robinson had recently been fitted with a new tail boom and rotors as the
original ones had been damaged in a landing accident.
Bill and I flew together once and I have several minutes of him and his
helicopter in the air on video . I thought the Kitfox flew low and slow.
Sadly,
Lowell
Message 22
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| Subject: | Re: aopa program |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: collins@pali.com
Might I suggest Mozilla from mozilla.org? More features including the
ability to block pop-up windows. And it's free!
Bob Collins
Sunnyvale CA USA
RICHARD HUTSON wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
>
>Up date your Netscape or switch to Microsoft Internet Explorer
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "broschart" <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>To: "fox2" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: aopa program
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>>
>>i use windows me and netscape 4.7
>>when i go to the aopa site after the pass word log in i get a message
>>"welcome to the aopa online secure site" and the rest of the page is
>>blank and there is no way to get out of it or go on as no scroll bar
>>appears
>>
>>anyone know how to fix this problem, so far aopa doesn't have any help
>>
>>Have a good day - Charlie
>>
>>
>>
Message 23
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| Subject: | Re: NSI idle RPM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the info Howard. I am a bit behind the
times myself. But today I got my rebuilt AeroFlash
strobe power unit and it works great. Also it seems I
got all my fuel leaks stopped.
I find a lot of differences between your plane and
mine. Your's appears to be the turbo cowl, if there
is such a thing, while mine is the normally asperated
cowl - all that was available to me then. Yours has
more appropriate cooling for the turbo engine, it
seems.
Where is/are your upper cowl access doors? I had to
add one forward for my dipstick. My standard upper
rear door is more a general condition check door now.
Your oil cooler cowl inlet looks about twice as big as
mine. My inlet is about 12 sq inches (3x4), but I
moved the cooler to the cowl outlet and ducted the
smiley face air directly to the cooler. That gave me
about 15 sq inches of inlet to work with. I put the
landing lights in the old oil cooler inlet. :-)
You may be right. You may over-cool your oil in
winter, but that is the better problem to deal with vs
overheating.
I didn't install a thermostat for the coolant either.
My open radiator cools to 120-160 range up to 60F OAT.
Hot WX testing soon to come, then scoop testing where
all bets are off.
Where did you install the radiator flap control
knob/handle? I may very well need one on mine later
too.
In your front pic, it looks like your exhaust is a
little tight to the cowl on the inboard side, but it
may just be shadow.
I better get to bed. Falling asleep typing this. :-(
Kurt S. S-5 w/NSI turbo
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> Didn't have time to write much this morning....so I
> can now.
> The heat wrap has an outside temp of about 300
> degrees when the probe is at
> 1350. The wrap does have a lifespan of about 100
> hours. it will start
> discoloring and letting more heat through. I was
> very impressed with how it
> worked and it was well worth the .50 cent per foot
> price. The turbo is not
> wrapped, but when the prop is turning, most of the
> heat is coming out the
> pilot side cowl vent. So far, All my temps are below
> what I expected. No
> overheating from ground work at all.
> I don't have a thermostat in the water line.
> Instead, I put on a adjustable
> radiator flap. I noticed that the cabin heater alone
> dropped my water temps
> by 15 degrees. My motor oil cooler is mounted right
> under the gearbox...I'm
> hoping that I don't have to add a flap there....I'll
> see this winter when it
> is -20 or -30f and I need warmer oil. Here are more
> pics of my cowling and
> radiator flap.
>
> Howard
> NSI EA-81 Turbo CAP
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