---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/22/04: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:36 AM - Re: aopa program (broschart) 2. 04:19 AM - Fact or Tales? (Michel Verheughe) 3. 04:29 AM - Oshkosh anybody? (Fox5flyer) 4. 05:03 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Bob Unternaehrer) 5. 05:33 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Steve Magdic) 6. 05:40 AM - Fw: kitfox for Sale (Mike Tode) 7. 05:46 AM - Battery for 582 (Gill Levesque) 8. 05:53 AM - Re: Lockwood Aviation (David Estapa) 9. 06:00 AM - Re: Battery for 582 (r.thomas@za.pwc.com) 10. 06:00 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Lowell Fitt) 11. 06:09 AM - Re: Sad Day in Cameron Park (Marc Arseneault) 12. 06:28 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Paul) 13. 06:28 AM - Re: Battery for 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 14. 06:56 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Tom Jones) 15. 07:13 AM - Re: Battery for 582 (Guy Buchanan) 16. 08:52 AM - Re: Lockwood Aviation (Aerobatics@aol.com) 17. 09:00 AM - Re: Lockwood Aviation (kurt schrader) 18. 09:03 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (kurt schrader) 19. 10:06 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (POP3) 20. 10:38 AM - Re: Battery for 582 (Fox5flyer) 21. 10:40 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Fox5flyer) 22. 10:53 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (BMolnar859@aol.com) 23. 12:12 PM - nsi engine mount question (Eric Osmond) 24. 12:14 PM - Re: NSI idle RPM (Howard Firm) 25. 12:26 PM - Re: nsi engine mount question (Howard Firm) 26. 01:10 PM - Re: nsi engine mount question (Fox5flyer) 27. 01:20 PM - Cameron Park (Lowell Fitt) 28. 01:23 PM - Re: Cameron Park (Cory Emberson) 29. 01:53 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Bob Unternaehrer) 30. 01:53 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Bob Unternaehrer) 31. 02:07 PM - Re: Lockwood Aviation (Grant Fluent) 32. 02:21 PM - New life for old Kitfox (User) 33. 02:58 PM - Re: Battery for 582 (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 34. 04:56 PM - i use windows me and netscape 4.7 (Rex & Jan Shaw) 35. 05:08 PM - Re: Lockwood Aviation / David Estapa (Ceashman@aol.com) 36. 05:11 PM - Up date your Netscape or switch to Microsoft Internet Explorer (Rex & Jan Shaw) 37. 05:14 PM - Elevator adjustment, Thanks. (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com) 38. 05:16 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (John E. King) 39. 05:38 PM - Oshkosh (Peter Graichen) 40. 05:48 PM - pull the RAVE engine and install a Jabiru 2200 (Rex & Jan Shaw) 41. 06:55 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Steve Zakreski) 42. 06:59 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Steve Zakreski) 43. 07:06 PM - Re: Elevator adjustment () 44. 09:21 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (WBL) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:43 AM PST US From: broschart Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: aopa program --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart i tried netscape 7 awhile ago and it wouldn't send any of my e-mail, everything else worked ok Have a good day - Charlie Fox5flyer wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > You need to upgrade your Netscape Charlie. I think it's up to 7.2 now. > Darrel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "broschart" > To: "fox2" > Subject: Kitfox-List: aopa program > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart > > > > i use windows me and netscape 4.7 > > when i go to the aopa site after the pass word log in i get a message > > "welcome to the aopa online secure site" and the rest of the page is > > blank and there is no way to get out of it or go on as no scroll bar > > appears > > > > anyone know how to fix this problem, so far aopa doesn't have any help > > > > Have a good day - Charlie > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:02 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe A question concerning the Kitfox model 3 (and probably others) elevator asymmetry. I was told by someone that the elevator is asymmetric, i.e. higher on one side than the other, in order to compensate the for the torque by the left-hand prop of a Rotax 582 and, if changing to a Jabiru (or any other right-hand prop engine) I needed to cut my elevator in two and weld it again at the opposite angle. Someone else (more reliable because he went from 582 to Jabiru on a model IV) tells me that this is not true, the difference in angle of the left and right elevator is to suppress flutter since our surfaces are flat and not aerodynamic profiles. Therefore there is no need to change anything to them when changing engines. Can the list kindly confirm or contest that statement? Thanks in advance, Michel ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:55 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of you. Darrel ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:31 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" I'll be in OSK , but will camp on the flight line. I'll fill out the camp locator card. Bob Unternaehrer. Will go to Broadhed for the weekend and arrive OSK Sunday sometime. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to > drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp > Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of > us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or > maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there > and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp > scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. > Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be > arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of > you. > Darrel > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? From: "Steve Magdic" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Magdic" I will be in Oshkosh the whole week. I am working in the UL Barn in their Fly Market. Our Chapter will also have an anti-P.O.P. display aircraft which we are using to teach kids about how/why airplanes fly. It's a hands on display, bring your kids. My KitFox will be parked on the UL runway or somewhere in the UL aircraft parking. I'm camping in the Volunteer campground located just off the south end of the UL runway. Just look for the flag pole with Chapter logo and the 'Ol Stars and Bars flags. Hope to meet with some of you. I will have cold beverages and an extra chair. Steve Magdic President - The Microlite Flyers Of Wisconsin EAA UL Chapter #1 - www.eaaul1.org KitFox Model 3/4 Wing - 912UL Yellow - Bump Cowl - Black Stripe. -----Original Message----- From: Fox5flyer [mailto:morid@northland.lib.mi.us] Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of you. Darrel ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:42 AM PST US From: "Mike Tode" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: kitfox for Sale --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Mike Tode" ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Tode Subject: kitfox for Sale Hi All, > There is a Kitfox model 4 for sale on Barnstormers that I am interested in in Sapphire North Carolina. It is over 1000 miles away from where I live. I was wondering if there was anyone on the list that lives close to this location that could look it over and tell me if it's worth the trip! Send me a reply and we can discuss details. I would be willing to pay expenses for your time. Thanks for your help. Here is the listing. > KITFOX 1X . AVAILABLE FOR SALE . Kitfox 4, 1050, just finished, registered, ready for inspection and first flight. New R- 582 UL, dual carb, mixer, C-box, VFR, no radios, spring leaf gear,folding STOL wings, custom seats. M.H.Tode mhteck@charter.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:36 AM PST US From: Gill Levesque Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery for 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque Hi, 582 equipped Listers, The battery in my 582 equipped Fox, seems to be spitting out of the vent tube! Is this acid? (looks like it is affecting the paint on the gear leg) and if so what is the cause? Overcharging? The battery is 14amp-hr. Do I need a larger one or should I look at another regulator? Can I add light bulb under the panel to burn off some excess power? What batterry do you 582 guy,s use? Any help is greatly appreciated!! Gil Levesque Model 4 582 C-IGVL Still alive and flyin!!!! Gil --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lockwood Aviation From: David Estapa --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa Does anyone know what is going on with Lockwood Aviation? All the telephone numbers listed on the website are disconnected. I was trying to purchase the prop flange inserts (8mm) for a 912S and Warp Drive prop. Skystar is out and said Kodiak had them on back order. Any other sources? C. David Estapa Woodstock, GA S5 N97DE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery for 582 From: r.thomas@za.pwc.com 22/07/2004 13:59:47, Serialize complete at 22/07/2004 13:59:47 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com Hi Gill I recently replaced my 14ah acid battery with a 17ah gell battery. It is a little larger but for the extra power well worth it. Also you can mount it on it's side (lay flat) as there is no acid to be able to leak. There not much more expensive either. Regards Roger Gill Levesque Sent by: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com 22/07/2004 02:46 PM Please respond to kitfox-list@matronics.com To kitfox-list@matronics.com cc Subject Kitfox-List: Battery for 582 Size: 5 Kb --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gill Levesque Hi, 582 equipped Listers, The battery in my 582 equipped Fox, seems to be spitting out of the vent tube! Is this acid? (looks like it is affecting the paint on the gear leg) and if so what is the cause? Overcharging? The battery is 14amp-hr. Do I need a larger one or should I look at another regulator? Can I add light bulb under the panel to burn off some excess power? What batterry do you 582 guy,s use? Any help is greatly appreciated!! Gil Levesque Model 4 582 C-IGVL Still alive and flyin!!!! Gil --------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:50 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Darrel, I know of four that will be hooking up in the Denver area that plan on being there Sunday through Tuesday. Our group will be leaving the Sacramento area of Northern California Tomorrow morning to hook up with another at Afton Wyoming in the evening. Our group will consist of 4 or 5 Kitfoxes - all Model IVs and two Rans - one a Coyote and the other a Courier. Plans call for a Sunday evening arrival. Current plans call for a Friday departure. We will be camping in the home built area. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to > drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp > Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of > us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or > maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there > and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp > scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. > Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be > arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of > you. > Darrel > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:10 AM PST US From: "Marc Arseneault" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sad Day in Cameron Park --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" Hi Lowell, My sincere condolences go out to you and his family. In the past four months I have lost two friends in ultralight crashes. In both incidents, the planes stalled. Last week I lost a friend, Claude Demersthat lived in Sudburybut was temporarily working in Thunder Bay. Claude was looking to buy another airplane as he had sold his Bushcaddy last winter. With the love of flying he found somebody to go flying with in Thunder Bay. He came over on Canada Day and was telling me how he was definetly buying another plane. He loved flying and was such a nice guy! It really gets me thinking of how one day you could be gone and that is whyI shouldn't hold back on doing the thingsI want as tomorrow may never come. Best Regards, Marc Arseneault Ontario Canada From: "Lowell Fitt" lcfitt@inreach.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To: kitfox -list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Sad Day in Cameron Park Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:38:30 -0700 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" lcfitt@inreach.com This afternoon a Robinson Exec. had a main rotor blade - according to witness - separate from the rotor assembly and it crashed into a house near the airport. Bill Finke a resident of Airpark Estates was killed in the accident and the house was destroyed by the ensuing fire. No one on the ground was hurt. Bill was an extraordinary man. His interest in aviation fed his main interest in serving the people of Tanzania where he spent alternate three months periods. His airplanes were used in his missionary work there. When home, he spent countless hours in his hangar refurbishing airplanes that he would then ship to Africa, sometimes ferrying them there himself. It was his plan to use the Robinson to travel to the local airport from his compound in the outlying area. A trip that took several hou Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:11 AM PST US From: Paul Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul I will look for you Paul ========= At 7:29 AM -0400 7/22/04, Fox5flyer wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of >you. >Darrel -- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:32 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery for 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 7/22/04 5:47:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, canpilot03@yahoo.ca writes: > The battery in my 582 equipped Fox, seems to be spitting out of the vent > tube! Is this acid? (looks like it is affecting the paint Gil, You need to check the charging voltage with the engine running. Should be around 13 Volts or so. I use the Powersonic 18 AMP. It's a gel battery that has no vent. It is a tad bigger but, you don't have to have a battery box with the gel. That makes it overall smaller. Mine is about 4 years old and still cranks like new. Also, get the Key West regulator. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:51 AM PST US From: Tom Jones Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones > I was told by someone that the elevator is asymmetric, i.e. higher on one side > than the other, in order to compensate the for the torque by the left-hand prop > of a Rotax 582 Michael, From my classic 4 manual: "It is built this way so there will always be an air load on the elevator and it will not be "blanked out" by the horizontal stabilizer". Do not straighten the weldment." There was no option for matching elevator to left or right had props when I ordered the kit. Tom Jones ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:42 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery for 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan Don, I have the Powersonic as well. Where do I find the Key West regulator? Thanks, Guy Buchanan At 09:28 AM 7/22/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Also, get the Key West regulator. > >Don Smythe >DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:05 AM PST US From: Aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lockwood Aviation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com In a message dated 7/22/2004 9:20:26 AM Central Standard Time, davestapa@juno.com writes: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa > > Does anyone know what is going on with Lockwood Aviation? All the > telephone numbers listed on the website are disconnected. I was trying to > purchase the prop flange inserts (8mm) for a 912S and Warp Drive prop. > Skystar is out and said Kodiak had them on back order. Any other sources? funny I just recieved parts yesterday I ordered a few days ago all seem fine ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:20 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lockwood Aviation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I suspect they are packing up for OSH. I just tried calling NSI and they are gone too. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Aerobatics@aol.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > Aerobatics@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/22/2004 9:20:26 AM Central > Standard Time, > davestapa@juno.com writes: > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa > > > > > Does anyone know what is going on with Lockwood > Aviation? All the > > telephone numbers listed on the website are > disconnected. I was trying to > > purchase the prop flange inserts (8mm) for a 912S > and Warp Drive prop. > > Skystar is out and said Kodiak had them on back > order. Any other sources? > > funny I just recieved parts yesterday I ordered a > few days ago all seem fine > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:03 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I wouldn't change it Michel, Elevators are not normally skewed for torque. Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo Do not archive --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > A question concerning the Kitfox model 3 (and > probably others) elevator asymmetry. > > I was told by someone that the elevator is > asymmetric, i.e. higher on one side > than the other, in order to compensate the for the > torque by the left-hand prop > of a Rotax 582 and, if changing to a Jabiru (or any > other right-hand prop > engine) I needed to cut my elevator in two and weld > it again at the opposite angle. > Someone else (more reliable because he went from 582 > to Jabiru on a model IV) > tells me that this is not true, the difference in > angle of the left and right > elevator is to suppress flutter since our surfaces > are flat and not aerodynamic > profiles. Therefore there is no need to change > anything to them when changing engines. > Can the list kindly confirm or contest that > statement? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michel __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:43 AM PST US From: POP3 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: POP3 Hi guys: I'm hoping to be at Acey Ducey friday night sometime around 8:30, but otherwise if any of you want a gathering place come out to the seaplane base for the Annual Watermelon Social (pig roast, Beer/soda, a commemorative glass WipAire beer mug, and door prizes - all for $15) Best party at Oshkosh. Of course I'm opinionated as I'm in charge of the Seaplane Base. Oh yeah, you can ride the seaplane bus both ways from the main field for $2. The bus is located south of the ultralight runway and runs every half hour. But buy your tickets at the base as soon as you can as we only sell 500 tickets. And when they're gone they're gone. It certainly would be nice to put faces with names! Paul Seehafer Chairman, AirVenture Seaplane Base ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul > > I will look for you > Paul > ========= > > At 7:29 AM -0400 7/22/04, Fox5flyer wrote: > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to > >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp > >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of > >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or > >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there > >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp > >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. > >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be > >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of > >you. > >Darrel > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:23 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery for 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" It sounds like your problem lies with voltage, not your battery. Check the battery voltage with engine running. Should range between 13.8 and 14.5. I suspect it's up around 16+ which will boil your battery. If this is the case, replace that rectifier with a voltage regulator from Spruce. Problem will be solved. Darrel > Hi, 582 equipped Listers, > > The battery in my 582 equipped Fox, seems to be spitting out of the vent tube! Is this acid? (looks like it is affecting the paint on the gear leg) and if so what is the cause? Overcharging? The battery is 14amp-hr. Do I need a larger one or should I look at another regulator? Can I add light bulb under the panel to burn off some excess power? What batterry do you 582 guy,s use? Any help is greatly appreciated!! > > Gil Levesque > Model 4 582 > C-IGVL > > > Still alive and flyin!!!! > > Gil > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:22 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Previous post correct Michael. The asymmetry was to counteract flutter. Adds a tiny bit of drag, but at Fox speeds not an issue. Darrel > > A question concerning the Kitfox model 3 (and probably others) elevator asymmetry. > > I was told by someone that the elevator is asymmetric, i.e. higher on one side > than the other, in order to compensate the for the torque by the left-hand prop > of a Rotax 582 and, if changing to a Jabiru (or any other right-hand prop > engine) I needed to cut my elevator in two and weld it again at the opposite angle. > Someone else (more reliable because he went from 582 to Jabiru on a model IV) > tells me that this is not true, the difference in angle of the left and right > elevator is to suppress flutter since our surfaces are flat and not aerodynamic > profiles. Therefore there is no need to change anything to them when changing engines. > Can the list kindly confirm or contest that statement? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michel > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:30 AM PST US From: BMolnar859@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: BMolnar859@aol.com If anyone would like to ride with me to Oshkosh from the twin cities, let me know. I'll be flying in for 1 day bill ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:24 PM PST US From: Eric Osmond Subject: Kitfox-List: nsi engine mount question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Eric Osmond Hi, All. I'm building a kitfox IV-1200 with a 100hp NSI engine. I'm having problems figuring out the engine mounting instructions. The instructions call for (3) AN4-26A bolts. I'm wondering if this may be a misprint because there are five positions and five cotter pins and five castle nuts. The AN4 bolt size is exactly what the airframe will accommodate. However, the mount is much larger (probably AN6) and there is no mention of a bushing. The folks at NSI left a message saying they are at Oshkosh until the 9th, so I can't check with them, soI thought I'd ask here to see if anyone else remembers this and/or had a problem with this. Thanks Eric __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:47 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI idle RPM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" ----- Original Message ----- From: "kurt schrader" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI idle RPM > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > > Where is/are your upper cowl access doors? I had to > add one forward for my dipstick. My standard upper > rear door is more a general condition check door now. I put the door near the front....I can check the motor oil. > > Your oil cooler cowl inlet looks about twice as big as > mine. My inlet is about 12 sq inches (3x4), but I > moved the cooler to the cowl outlet and ducted the > smiley face air directly to the cooler. That gave me > about 15 sq inches of inlet to work with. I put the > landing lights in the old oil cooler inlet. My inlet is 4.5" high by 7" wide....I also had to make a little bump under it for the oil lines. > > Where did you install the radiator flap control > knob/handle? I may very well need one on mine later > too. I have a locking push-pull cable control in the spot where carb heat would normally be. When I pull all the way out, the flap will be completely shut. > In your front pic, it looks like your exhaust is a > little tight to the cowl on the inboard side, but it > may just be shadow. I have a half inch around it now....I may end up with the dremel grinder and increase it. Howard S-5 w/NSI turbo ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:18 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi engine mount question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" The "3" must be a misprint... as for the slightly oversize holes, that is normal....no spacers needed....as far as I know it hasn't been a problem for anyone. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Osmond" Subject: Kitfox-List: nsi engine mount question > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Eric Osmond > > Hi, All. > I'm building a kitfox IV-1200 with a 100hp NSI engine. > I'm having problems figuring out the engine mounting > instructions. The instructions call for (3) AN4-26A > bolts. I'm wondering if this may be a misprint because > there are five positions and five cotter pins and five > castle nuts. The AN4 bolt size is exactly what the > airframe will accommodate. However, the mount is much > larger (probably AN6) and there is no mention of a > bushing. > > The folks at NSI left a message saying they are at > Oshkosh until the 9th, so I can't check with them, soI > thought I'd ask here to see if anyone else remembers > this and/or had a problem with this. > Thanks > Eric > > > __________________________________ > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:27 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: nsi engine mount question --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" I made my own bushings out of 4130 tubing stock. It was a simple matter of buying some from Spruce with an OD that would fit inside the mount holes and an ID to fit the bolts. A little reaming and filing and it worked fine. Darrel > Hi, All. > I'm building a kitfox IV-1200 with a 100hp NSI engine. > I'm having problems figuring out the engine mounting > instructions. The instructions call for (3) AN4-26A > bolts. I'm wondering if this may be a misprint because > there are five positions and five cotter pins and five > castle nuts. The AN4 bolt size is exactly what the > airframe will accommodate. However, the mount is much > larger (probably AN6) and there is no mention of a > bushing. > > The folks at NSI left a message saying they are at > Oshkosh until the 9th, so I can't check with them, soI > thought I'd ask here to see if anyone else remembers > this and/or had a problem with this. > Thanks > Eric > > > __________________________________ > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:54 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" A correction on the accident report. the aircraft was a Roterway Exec. Lowell ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:13 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" Oh, damn. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Subject: Kitfox-List: Cameron Park --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" A correction on the accident report. the aircraft was a Roterway Exec. Lowell ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:52 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" What nite is your pig roast bash. and where is Acey Ducey, probably should no by now. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "POP3" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: POP3 > > Hi guys: > > I'm hoping to be at Acey Ducey friday night sometime around 8:30, but > otherwise if any of you want a gathering place come out to the seaplane base > for the Annual Watermelon Social (pig roast, Beer/soda, a commemorative > glass WipAire beer mug, and door prizes - all for $15) Best party at > Oshkosh. Of course I'm opinionated as I'm in charge of the Seaplane Base. > Oh yeah, you can ride the seaplane bus both ways from the main field for $2. > The bus is located south of the ultralight runway and runs every half hour. > But buy your tickets at the base as soon as you can as we only sell 500 > tickets. And when they're gone they're gone. > > It certainly would be nice to put faces with names! > > Paul Seehafer > Chairman, AirVenture > Seaplane Base > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul > > > > I will look for you > > Paul > > ========= > > > > At 7:29 AM -0400 7/22/04, Fox5flyer wrote: > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision > to > > >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp > > >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some > of > > >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property > or > > >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be > there > > >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp > > >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. > > >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be > > >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of > > >you. > > >Darrel > > > > -- > > > > > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:52 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" Also Paul, what nite is the sweet corn roast. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: "POP3" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: POP3 > > Hi guys: > > I'm hoping to be at Acey Ducey friday night sometime around 8:30, but > otherwise if any of you want a gathering place come out to the seaplane base > for the Annual Watermelon Social (pig roast, Beer/soda, a commemorative > glass WipAire beer mug, and door prizes - all for $15) Best party at > Oshkosh. Of course I'm opinionated as I'm in charge of the Seaplane Base. > Oh yeah, you can ride the seaplane bus both ways from the main field for $2. > The bus is located south of the ultralight runway and runs every half hour. > But buy your tickets at the base as soon as you can as we only sell 500 > tickets. And when they're gone they're gone. > > It certainly would be nice to put faces with names! > > Paul Seehafer > Chairman, AirVenture > Seaplane Base > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul > > > > I will look for you > > Paul > > ========= > > > > At 7:29 AM -0400 7/22/04, Fox5flyer wrote: > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision > to > > >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp > > >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some > of > > >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property > or > > >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be > there > > >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp > > >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. > > >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be > > >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of > > >you. > > >Darrel > > > > -- > > > > > > > --- > > --- ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:52 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lockwood Aviation --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Dave, How about LEAF (Leading Edge Air Foils) in Wisconsin? I don't have their number handy but it should be available online. Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV w/912S --- David Estapa wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: David Estapa > > > Does anyone know what is going on with Lockwood > Aviation? All the > telephone numbers listed on the website are > disconnected. I was trying to > purchase the prop flange inserts (8mm) for a 912S > and Warp Drive prop. > Skystar is out and said Kodiak had them on back > order. Any other sources? > > C. David Estapa > Woodstock, GA > S5 N97DE > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:32 PM PST US From: "User" Subject: Kitfox-List: New life for old Kitfox --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "User" I have this week taken into my care, a Kitfox Mk 1 which although it was built in 1989 , it only has a total of 68 flying hours. The owner / builder is sadly no longer with us, and as his family are keen to see it fly again, they have asked me to get it in an airworthy condition and to renew it's UK permit to fly. It has been standing in a hangar for a number of years, although the engine (Rotax 532) has been run periodically. It is in fantastic condition, mainly down to the high standard of workmanship when it was built, and it's good storage conditions. My questions to the list are mainly, what capacity battery does it require, as the original has been removed,and during it's forthcoming inspection , are there any items I should be especially looking out for, given that it has not been flown for a long time , are there any modifications or updates that it may have missed out on during this time, either to the engine or airframe, which it may benefit from, is there a good source of information on line I could look at which would help me to get it airworthy again ? Any information would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance, Paul , Matlock, Derbyshire UK ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:06 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery for 582 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com Don, I have the Powersonic as well. Where do I find the Key West regulator? Thanks, Guy Buchanan Guy, Look in the Spruce catalog under electrical (index; Voltage regulator/power supply). I have a 2001 catalog and it's located on page 367 along with Trim Systems. Spruce part # PS030. Their catalog does not mention the name Key West but I'm 99% sure that is the Key West Regulator. Price $59.95 (2001) I used to have the phone # for Key West but I guess I've lost it for the third time now. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:56 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: i use windows me and netscape 4.7 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" i use windows me and netscape 4.7 Try hitting control, alt and delete buttons all at the same time. This should give you the option to get out. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:40 PM PST US From: Ceashman@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lockwood Aviation / David Estapa --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com Hi David. You are from Woodstock, GA. Thats about 40 minute flight for me to air acres. I will be going to Oshkosh next Thursday, till Sunday. If you can give me the part numbers and quantity of those 8 mm prop flange inserts, I will try to find them for you, from Lockwood. Who knows, If they don't have them on site, they may place the order in for me from Oshkosh. If they don't have them, I'll ask them who should I go to while at the show. I live in Lithonia, trailer my Classic IV and fly out of Covington, GA. Let me know if you want me to do this. Cheers. Eric. e-mail; ceashman@aol.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:19 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Up date your Netscape or switch to Microsoft Internet Explorer --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Up date your Netscape or switch to Microsoft Internet Explorer I use Internet Explorer and like it, but my computer shop tells me Netscape gets a lot less vruses etc. I don't know about the spam issue though. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:51 PM PST US From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator adjustment, Thanks. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thanks very much to Lowell, kirk, Rick and Marc for your posts about elevator adjustment. I will rigg the elevator and probably I'll fly it again this weekend, after 9 months of work repairing it. Lowell, Im very sorry to know the bad news about your friend. My condolences. Francisco Icaza, Classic IV --- Lowell Fitt escribi: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > Francisco, > > I don't think there is such a page. I just looked > through my manual and at > my airplane and my memory started to get in gear, I > think. Maximum up will > be when the elevator horn / rod end at the aft end > of the push pull tube is > touching the rudder post. Set that position so the > stick clears the seat a > bit so you have no interference at the seat with the > elevator full up. That > is the critical position as it is used when landing > in the three point. The > full down is established by the 3/8" cross tube > just forward of the > assembly. Full down is not as important as it is > not used a lot in Kitfox > flying. > > Lowell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Elevator adjustment > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > > > > Hello list, > > > > I cant find in my Classic IV manual the page that > > says how many degrees up and down must the > elevator > > have. I will fly the plane again after a ground > loop > > repair. I moved the system and Im worried as I see > > the elevator in the up position a little bit > > "horizontal". Can someone help me? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Francisco Icaza. > > > > La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu > correo por $100 al mes. > http://net.yahoo.com.mx > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > La mejor conexin a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:53 PM PST US From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " Darrel, I will arrive at Oshkosh late Tuesday and depart on Monday. I will park my Kitfox in the Experimental area of the flight line with the other Kitfoxes and will be staying at the University Dorms. Fox5flyer wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of >you. >Darrel > > > > -- John King Warrenton, VA ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:35 PM PST US From: "Peter Graichen" Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Planning to arrive at OSH Monday afternoon. N10PG will be on parked at the NSI display area, spaces 426 & 427 I'll be staying at the university dorms and can be found most evenings at Kelly's sipping beer. Peter Graichen http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:56 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: pull the RAVE engine and install a Jabiru 2200 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Steve, I not only fly my Kitfox/582 but I have about35 hrs in our clubs Jabiru plane with the 2200 motor. I totally agree the Jabiru is the better motor but the troubles the club has had with it in nearly 1000 hrs is dissapointing. Not enough to say forget about having one though. I think Jabiru are learning fast and buying one now rather than 4 years ago should be a fair help I would think. The Jabiru 2200 uses less fuel and performs better. Probably quieter too. Unfortunately I am a twostroke fanatic from Kart racing for many years and was lured towards the Rotax and only learn't later about planes after buying mine only about 9 months ago. My Kart racing background also leads me to an interest in improving performance of a twostroke. So given the chance now I would chose the Jabiru, but I was interested in the Rotax 582 to 670 swap together with modifications. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:14 PM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski Did you say beer? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Graichen Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Planning to arrive at OSH Monday afternoon. N10PG will be on parked at the NSI display area, spaces 426 & 427 I'll be staying at the university dorms and can be found most evenings at Kelly's sipping beer. Peter Graichen http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:34 PM PST US From: Steve Zakreski Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski Darrel I'll be arriving at Oshkosh Tuesday at 8 am , blitz the show, and depart at 7 pm. I'll watch for you. SteveZ Calgary -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of you. Darrel ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:36 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator adjustment --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sorry . I should have noted that I have a clasic VI with a 100HP Suberu engine > > > In a message dated 7/21/2004 6:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes: > > I looked in my manual and could not find it either. Sence there is no stops > I tend to think what ever you can get is fine. I did find rudder 30 deg > each side > > > Kirk, > > I don't know which model you have, but my Model V has a 25 degree > limitation. This was a change notice SkyStar sent out some time ago. > > > Rick Weiss > Series V Speedster, 912S, SkyStar Serial Number 1 > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:15 PM PST US From: WBL Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: WBL I will be at Oshkosh Tuesday through Saturday and will make an attempt to contact other Kitfoxers during the week. Pete Lee N102KM -----Original Message----- From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " Darrel, I will arrive at Oshkosh late Tuesday and depart on Monday. I will park my Kitfox in the Experimental area of the flight line with the other Kitfoxes and will be staying at the University Dorms. Fox5flyer wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of >you. >Darrel > > > > -- John King Warrenton, VA