---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/23/04: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:06 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Michel Verheughe) 2. 03:19 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Fox5flyer) 3. 03:49 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Ceashman@aol.com) 4. 05:22 AM - Re: Oshkosh anybody?-Paul Seehafer (Fred Shiple) 5. 05:35 AM - Kitfox Speedster (Norman P Vrooman) 6. 06:15 AM - error (Norman P Vrooman) 7. 07:42 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Michel Verheughe) 8. 10:20 AM - Re: Sport Pilot Medical (kurt schrader) 9. 10:32 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (kurt schrader) 10. 12:58 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody?...Acey Ducey Friday Nite (kitfoxjunky) 11. 01:25 PM - Re: Oshkosh (NSI AERO) 12. 01:31 PM - Short bearings (Bill Pleso) 13. 01:37 PM - Re: Fact or Tales? (skyflyte@comcast.net) 14. 02:42 PM - Re: I am a bit dissapointed because Aircraft Spruce hasn't yet a... (Dcecil3@aol.com) 15. 05:41 PM - Re: Sad Day in Cameron Park (jimshumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:37 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Fox5flyer wrote: > The asymmetry was to counteract flutter. Thanks Darell, Kurt and Tom. This is what I was thinking but it's nice to have it confirmed by the pros. Still, when I look at my left elevator trailing edge, slightly higher than the right, this must induce a slight left roll, doesn't it? Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:49 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Hope to meet up with you John. If you have time in the evening, look me up in the camp scholler locator. I won't be hard to find. I usually park somewhere along the main entrance. darrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E. King " Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " > > Darrel, > > I will arrive at Oshkosh late Tuesday and depart on Monday. I will park > my Kitfox in the Experimental area of the flight line with the other > Kitfoxes and will be staying at the University Dorms. > > Fox5flyer wrote: > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to > >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp > >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of > >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or > >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there > >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp > >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. > >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be > >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of > >you. > >Darrel > > > > > > > > > > -- > John King > Warrenton, VA > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:52 AM PST US From: Ceashman@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com Hi All. I remember when I was building my Classic IV. How flimsy I thought everything was (you know, new to this building stuff)! Anyway, I decided to make mine the "speedster" and of course, that means gluing in the ribs on the rear end including the elevator. At that time I thought that these glued in ribs should stiffen things up a little and make everything that little more rigid. Then it came time to cover everything with fabric. One of the main points in the Polyfiber Covering manual, during the shrinking process is, very slowly and evenly. Don't shrink the fabric too much on one side or you will make a loop out of your wing. Michel, could it be that the person who done the fabric job (probably started on the small surfaces first. I did, in fact I screwed up the rudder and had cut it off and redo) could have wing warped the elevator slightly. I have a trim tab on the right side of the elevator. When I use my trim it is (which by the way is a RANS retrofit) a large add on the trailing edge, but so cool for coming down stairs, hands off, for landing. but I see no effect of pulling the airplane to the left or right when severe trim is used for landing or just the nudging of the trim wheel for level flight. So, I think the slight twist has no effect on the flight characteristics. I am sure we all have a slight twist somewhere and only our wives will ever know. It is a good thing they don't tell us! Greetings. Eric Ashman. Atlanta, GA. e-mail; ceashman@aol.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:37 AM PST US From: Fred Shiple Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?-Paul Seehafer --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple Paul, Any chance of getting tickets for the Watermellon social early? I'm flying in Friday morning (via Cessna not Kitfox) with two friends and we'd like to be with you Friday evening. Would hate to be too late for tickets to the event. Altho N60FS won't be on floats until this winter, it's time to get some face time with the sea-plane community. I'll be buying amphibs at Oshkosh. Fred Shiple Toledo OH Series 6/ 912S POP3 wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: POP3 Hi guys: I'm hoping to be at Acey Ducey friday night sometime around 8:30, but otherwise if any of you want a gathering place come out to the seaplane do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:02 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Speedster From: Norman P Vrooman --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norman P Vrooman Hello everyone, Thought I would take this opportunity to let you folks know that I have listed my Kitfox Speedster 1994 on e-bay. It is listed under "aircraft single engine". After a long time making the decision to offer it for sale I finally decided to do so. As it is said, "if you don't use it, lose it" I guess. Anyway, if anyone is interested, take a kook. Best to all, Norm Vrooman ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:23 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: error From: Norman P Vrooman --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Norman P Vrooman I meant "take a LOOK" not take a kook, Norm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:14 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Ceashman@aol.com wrote: > Michel, could it be that the person who done the fabric job (probably started > on the small surfaces first. I did, in fact I screwed up the rudder and had > cut it off and redo) could have wing warped the elevator slightly. It could be, Eric, but we are three Kitfoxes (two model 3 and one model IV) that has the same asymmetry. It sounds odd if it was unintentional, I think. > am sure we all have a slight twist somewhere and only our wives will ever know. :-) good one, Eric! Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:47 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot Medical --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Here is the latest from AOPA on the Sport Pilot Medical: SPORT PILOT RELAXES MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS According to the final rule, pilots who hold a recreational certificate or better, but whose standard or special issuance medical certificate has lapsed, will be able to fly under sport pilot rules with a valid driver's license and by self-certifying that they are medically fit to fly. Pilots whose medical has been revoked, suspended, or denied by the FAA will need further review by the FAA and could be required to obtain a special issuance certificate. Pilots flying under the sport pilot rules will be able to fly many familiar certified airplanes, including Piper J-2 and J-3 Cubs and models from Luscombe, Taylorcraft, and Ercoupe, when the rule becomes effective on September 1. The complete sport pilot rule can be downloaded from the FAA's Web site, but be warned that the document is 452 pages long ( http://www.faa.gov/avr/arm/rulemaking/SportPilotRule7_19.doc ). Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:06 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Michel, Can you simulate this on your computer? I find that it makes much less difference that you might think, until you pull "G's". Should you have to do some 3 G loops in formation with the "Blue Foxes", you would definately see an effect. In turbulent Norway, it is more like having your right horn fall off your helmit. The boundry layer is pretty thick back there due to the flat airfoil. I suspect one side is against the upper layer and the other side against the lower layer for flutter control. Remindes me of a friend taking balloon aerobatics. Twisted ropes can really mess up your bag-overs.... :-) Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- Michel Verheughe wrote: > > The asymmetry was to counteract flutter. > > Thanks Darell, Kurt and Tom. This is what I was > thinking but it's nice to have > it confirmed by the pros. > Still, when I look at my left elevator trailing > edge, slightly higher than the > right, this must induce a slight left roll, doesn't > it? > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive __________________________________ http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?...Acey Ducey Friday Nite From: "kitfoxjunky" 03:58:01 PM --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky" It is still up in the air (pun intended), but I am pretty sure I am Oshkosh bound this year. Wanted to fly my KitFox IV anphib, but she is down for repairs, so I will be arriving in a Cessna Spam Can. Oh the shame of it. I am going to try and meet up with Paul Seehafer Friday night at Acey Ducey. If you have never been there, it is a great bar. There are hundreds of signed photos on the walls, all related to aviation. Sort of an Oskosh version of "The Happy Bottom Riding Club". At 9:30 pm I will stand up on a chair and ask if there are any Kitfox drivers in the crowd. If you do not know how to get there, ask any cab driver in Oshkosh. Gary Walsh C-GOOT www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox POP3 Sent by: To: owner-kitfox-list-server@ma cc: tronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? 07/22/2004 01:06 PM Please respond to kitfox-list --> Kitfox-List message posted by: POP3 Hi guys: I'm hoping to be at Acey Ducey friday night sometime around 8:30, but otherwise if any of you want a gathering place come out to the seaplane base for the Annual Watermelon Social (pig roast, Beer/soda, a commemorative glass WipAire beer mug, and door prizes - all for $15) Best party at Oshkosh. Of course I'm opinionated as I'm in charge of the Seaplane Base. Oh yeah, you can ride the seaplane bus both ways from the main field for $2. The bus is located south of the ultralight runway and runs every half hour. But buy your tickets at the base as soon as you can as we only sell 500 tickets. And when they're gone they're gone. It certainly would be nice to put faces with names! Paul Seehafer Chairman, AirVenture Seaplane Base ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul > > I will look for you > Paul > ========= > > At 7:29 AM -0400 7/22/04, Fox5flyer wrote: > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > >Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a decision to > >drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp > >Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some of > >us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property or > >maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be there > >and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp > >scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up. > >Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll be > >arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of > >you. > >Darrel > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:43 PM PST US From: "NSI AERO" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" Now that sounds like a good idea Peter. See you at Oshkosh and have a enjoyable, safe flight. Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Graichen Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" Planning to arrive at OSH Monday afternoon. N10PG will be on parked at the NSI display area, spaces 426 & 427 I'll be staying at the university dorms and can be found most evenings at Kelly's sipping beer. Peter Graichen http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:03 PM PST US From: "Bill Pleso" Subject: Kitfox-List: Short bearings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" Builders, I have 2 questions, first off, Great Planes has a strobe kit that is extremely cheap compared to buying ready-to-use strobes. Is anybody out there using them, and if so, what do you think of the kit? Secondly, on the Model 4 with the airfoiled vertical tail kit, it says to set the top gap (between the vert stab and rudder) at 1.5" and the bottom gap at 2.3". The problem is that the bearings aren't long enough the get that much gap at the bottom. By the way, this is a 10 year old model with 4 bearings (the top 3 are 10-32 and the bottom one is 1/4-28). These are the bearings that the previous owner had put on the plane and appears to be correct as per the old manual. Thanks. Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:34 PM PST US From: skyflyte@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fact or Tales? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: skyflyte@comcast.net -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > A question concerning the Kitfox model 3 (and probably others) elevator > asymmetry. Dan Denny told me that the elevator on my model II was "twisted", because a perfectly flat one would tend to "hunt" when flying at cruise. Whatever! It is meant to be that way, leave it alone! Mike Cannon -------------- Original message -------------- -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe A question concerning the Kitfox model 3 (and probably others) elevator asymmetry. Dan Denny told me that the elevator on my model II was "twisted", because a perfectly flat one would tend to "hunt" when flying at cruise. Whatever! It is meant to be that way, leave it alone! Mike Cannon ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:58 PM PST US From: Dcecil3@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I am a bit dissapointed because Aircraft Spruce hasn't yet a... --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce.I've never gone more than a day befor getting a response.Contact the customer service it's on the website.I know through experience that problems get supervisor attention and one time Jim Erwin e-mailed me.They are the best supplier Homebuilding has but, they have problems just like any company Best David ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:27 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sad Day in Cameron Park --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" Lowell This is indeed bad news. It is much worse in such a close community. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Kitfox-List: Sad Day in Cameron Park > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > This afternoon a Robinson Exec. had a main rotor blade - according to witness - separate from the rotor assembly and it crashed into a house near the airport. Bill Finke a resident of Airpark Estates was killed in the accident and the house was destroyed by the ensuing fire. No one on the ground was hurt. > > Bill was an extraordinary man. His interest in aviation fed his main interest in serving the people of Tanzania where he spent alternate three months periods. His airplanes were used in his missionary work there. When home, he spent countless hours in his hangar refurbishing airplanes that he would then ship to Africa, sometimes ferrying them there himself. > > It was his plan to use the Robinson to travel to the local airport from his compound in the outlying area. A trip that took several hours on primitive trails by automobile, but would take only a few minutes by air. > > The Robinson had recently been fitted with a new tail boom and rotors as the original ones had been damaged in a landing accident. > > Bill and I flew together once and I have several minutes of him and his helicopter in the air on video . I thought the Kitfox flew low and slow. > > Sadly, > > Lowell > >