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1. 01:49 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:54 AM - Aircraft Spruce (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:01 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce/ Michel (Ceashman@aol.com)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce (Glenn Horne)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce (Wwillyard@aol.com)
6. 07:47 AM - Re: Short bearings (Tom Jones)
7. 08:01 AM - Confused (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 08:12 AM - Re: Confused (Steve Cooper)
9. 08:13 AM - Re: Confused (Vic Jacko)
10. 08:20 AM - Re: Confused (Tom Jones)
11. 08:23 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce (Fox5flyer)
12. 08:25 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Ted Palamarek)
13. 08:35 AM - Re: Confused (Michel Verheughe)
14. 08:57 AM - Re: Confused (Steve Cooper)
15. 09:02 AM - Re: Confused (Arthur Nation)
16. 09:28 AM - NSI Oil Seal (Fox5flyer)
17. 09:37 AM - Tire Changeout (George Wells)
18. 09:59 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce/ Michel (RICHARD HUTSON)
19. 10:25 AM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (kurt schrader)
20. 10:42 AM - Re: Confused (kurt schrader)
21. 10:56 AM - Re: Aircraft Spruce (jimshumaker)
22. 11:01 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (kurt schrader)
23. 11:13 AM - Re: Fact or Tales? (Tom Jones)
24. 11:43 AM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (Fox5flyer)
25. 12:53 PM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (Peter Graichen)
26. 01:00 PM - Re: Confused (Richard Broom)
27. 01:44 PM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (Fox5flyer)
28. 01:45 PM - Oshkosh frequencies (Fox5flyer)
29. 02:11 PM - Re: Oshkosh frequencies (John E. King)
30. 02:37 PM - Re: Oshkosh frequencies (Fox5flyer)
31. 02:38 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Fox5flyer)
32. 02:44 PM - Re: Aircraft Spruce/ Michel (Michel Verheughe)
33. 05:22 PM - This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce (Rex & Jan Shaw)
34. 05:29 PM - Re: This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce (Dcecil3@aol.com)
35. 05:57 PM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (Rick)
36. 06:55 PM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (Fox5flyer)
37. 08:14 PM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (Rick)
38. 08:52 PM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (RICHARD HUTSON)
39. 11:02 PM - Re: NSI Oil Seal (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: Fact or Tales? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks, Mike and Kurt!
kurt schrader wrote:
> Can you simulate this on your computer?
Good Lord! You're a bright chap, Kurt! Why didn't I think of that?
... (one hour later)
Ok, I did that. I can, individually, change the AoA of each section (up to ten)
of a profile. I twisted my elevators two degrees up on the port side and two
degrees down on starboard. ... it doesn't make a difference in the plane
stability. As for the flutter, it is not simulated, as you may guess. That is,
simulation model flutter is an entirely different aspect and the real big
problem in simulation. But it is for all aspects of modelling. Imagine that you
simulate a bouncing ball between your hand and the ground. As you move your
hand closer to the ground, the bouncing frequency increases, increases ...
until something stops. Simulate that in real-time and you'll get a problem!
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
> This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce.I've never gone more
> than a day befor getting a response.
Well, it is not really helping, David. Because it would mean that Aircraft
Spruce answers only US calls.
Anyway, maybe somebody can help me answering this:
What is the weight of the "Homebuilder Special" tailwheel and is the wheel of
soft rubber?
The reason I ask is that the "hard rubber" Maule wheel I have now is ... hard
on asphalt. Originally I was thinking of changing for the pneumatic Maule, only
one pound heavier. But now, I don't know.
What do you say, guys?
TIA,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce/ Michel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Good morning Michel.
Your not local, correct!
Why not call Aircraft Spruce on the question of the tail wheel.
We will find out: A/ the weight of the wheel and
B/ if Aircraft Spruce returns calls to people overseas.
C/ the time it takes Aircraft Spruce to return calls during a
busy time like Oshkosh.
Answers B and C are important to us (just kidding)
I kinda like the hard rubber, Maul wheel assembly. It lets me know that I
have landed (well, the rear end anyway)! just kidding again.
Can't wait for the answers. Eric.
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e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Glenn Horne" <glennflys@rcn.com>
Just check the Spruce catalog and no weight given
on the wheel,but it is soft rubber. Going to put one
on my Model II.
Glenn Horne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Spruce
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
> This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce.I've never gone
more
> than a day befor getting a response.
Well, it is not really helping, David. Because it would mean that Aircraft
Spruce answers only US calls.
Anyway, maybe somebody can help me answering this:
What is the weight of the "Homebuilder Special" tailwheel and is the wheel
of
soft rubber?
The reason I ask is that the "hard rubber" Maule wheel I have now is ...
hard
on asphalt. Originally I was thinking of changing for the pneumatic Maule,
only
one pound heavier. But now, I don't know.
What do you say, guys?
TIA,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
For what its worth, I E-mailed Aircraft Spruce with a request for more
information on the Maul P8B tundra tailwheel about two weeks ago and have had no
response as well.
Bill Willyard
Grandville MI USA
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| Subject: | Re: Short bearings |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Secondly, on the Model 4 with the airfoiled vertical tail kit, it says to
set the top gap (between the vert stab and rudder) at 1.5" and the bottom
gap at 2.3". The problem is that the bearings aren't long enough the get
that much gap at the bottom. By the way, this is a 10 year old model with 4
bearings (the top 3 are
> 10-32 and the bottom one is 1/4-28). These are the bearings that the
previous owner had put on the plane and appears to be correct as per the old
manual. Thanks.
> Bill
Bill,
Just a guess on your rudder. Your kit is the same era as my Classic
4...1994. This was during the transition from the "Model 4-1200 to the
"Classic 4". Skystar also produced the XL for a short period then. My
Classic 4 kit contained parts labeled for all three of these models. I
think they were clearing out all the left over parts from the two
discontinued 4s.
My Classic 4 has only three rod ends to connect the rudder to the vertical
stab. All three are 1/4-28. My manual shows 4 (top three 10-32 and bottom
one 1/4-28). The "revised" manual shows the 3 rod end set up. Your problem
might be that the wrong rod ends to connect the rudder were shipped with
your kit. You may need to talk with one of the "Old timers" at Skystar, or
someone on the list with the 4 bearing set up might be able to measure
theirs and help you out.
Tom Jones
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
"no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher"
The above comment is from a short version of the Sport Pilot rule and is
giving me a complete brain loss. My field is at 43' sea level....Does the above
mean I can fly at 10,000' MSL or am I limited to 2,000' AGL. For some reason,
the above statement makes no sense. What am I missing?
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
A Sport Pilot can not fly over 10,000' MSL. What your reading was changed in
the final rule due to the confusion surrounding the statement.
Steve Cooper
PS. Like I was saying a week or so before Sport Pilot was approved...DON'T
ALLOW YOURSELF TO FAIL THE MEDICAL!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Confused
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> "no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher"
>
> The above comment is from a short version of the Sport Pilot rule and is
> giving me a complete brain loss. My field is at 43' sea level....Does the
above
> mean I can fly at 10,000' MSL or am I limited to 2,000' AGL. For some
reason,
> the above statement makes no sense. What am I missing?
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Don, It appears that one could depart Leadville, CO at 9600 feet MSL and
climb to but not above 11,600 feet MSL?
I think. But how long could you fly at that altitude? Seems they want you
to stay below 10,000' MSL unless you need the extra 2,000'!
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Confused
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> "no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher"
>
> The above comment is from a short version of the Sport Pilot rule and is
> giving me a complete brain loss. My field is at 43' sea level....Does the
above
> mean I can fly at 10,000' MSL or am I limited to 2,000' AGL. For some
reason,
> the above statement makes no sense. What am I missing?
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
>
> "no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher"
>
> The above comment is from a short version of the Sport Pilot rule and is
> giving me a complete brain loss. My field is at 43' sea level....Does the
above
> mean I can fly at 10,000' MSL or am I limited to 2,000' AGL. For some
reason,
> the above statement makes no sense. What am I missing?
Don,
You can go to 10000 MSL. You can go to 12000 MSL and be at 2000 AGL when
you cross the mountains that are 10000 feet high.
Tom Jones
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Not to make excuses for them, but that was probably about when they started
packing up for Oshkosh. I'm sure that all that's minding the store right
now is the "skeleton crew" as they send a fairly large contingent on the
road. I'm sure they're all there by now and setting up their display.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: <Wwillyard@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Spruce
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
>
> For what its worth, I E-mailed Aircraft Spruce with a request for more
> information on the Maul P8B tundra tailwheel about two weeks ago and have
had no
> response as well.
>
> Bill Willyard
> Grandville MI USA
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Mike, Michel & Kurt
Wasn't the twist put into the elevator to take care of the
"P" factor??? I believe that is the twisting moment the
plane tries to take as a result of the way the air comes
rearwards off the propeller or something like that. I seem
to recall this from some long ago conversation.
Ted P.
Edmonton
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kurt schrader wrote:
> Can you simulate this on your computer?
Good Lord! You're a bright chap, Kurt! Why didn't I think of
that?
... (one hour later)
Ok, I did that. I can, individually, change the AoA of each
section (up to ten)
of a profile. I twisted my elevators two degrees up on the
port side and two
degrees down on starboard. ... it doesn't make a difference
in the plane
stability. As for the flutter, it is not simulated, as you
may guess. That is,
simulation model flutter is an entirely different aspect and
the real big
problem in simulation. But it is for all aspects of
modelling. Imagine that you
simulate a bouncing ball between your hand and the ground.
As you move your
hand closer to the ground, the bouncing frequency increases,
increases ...
until something stops. Simulate that in real-time and you'll
get a problem!
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Tom Jones wrote:
> You can go to 10000 MSL. You can go to 12000 MSL and be at 2000 AGL when
> you cross the mountains that are 10000 feet high.
Yes and, incidentally, 10,000 MSL is also the ceiling for Norwegian (and maybe
other Europeans) microlights. I guess they don't want us to go up in the sky
with a bottle. ... no, not whiskey, Kurt, a bottle of oxygen! (Man, that guy is
really one-track minded! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Sorry guys, I believe this language was removed in the final rule. 10,000
msl is the alt. limit.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Confused
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
>
> Don, It appears that one could depart Leadville, CO at 9600 feet MSL and
> climb to but not above 11,600 feet MSL?
>
> I think. But how long could you fly at that altitude? Seems they want
you
> to stay below 10,000' MSL unless you need the extra 2,000'!
>
> Vic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Confused
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> > "no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher"
> >
> > The above comment is from a short version of the Sport Pilot rule and is
> > giving me a complete brain loss. My field is at 43' sea level....Does
the
> above
> > mean I can fly at 10,000' MSL or am I limited to 2,000' AGL. For some
> reason,
> > the above statement makes no sense. What am I missing?
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Saturday 24 July 2004 08:00, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
Don,
When I first read this last year, I too was totally confused.
I now see (think) it means that up to 10,000 msl is ok until you are over a
mountain!!. Then , when you are at 8,000 feet msl you can just fly over the
trees, if any, but not so your head hits the 10,000 ft msl limit. ha,ha.
Clear?? I don't think so.
I asked this clarification of two instructors one day. They just shook their
heads and walked away.
Arthur
partial S7 kit (after 2 years)
Tacoma, WA
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> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> "no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher"
>
> The above comment is from a short version of the Sport Pilot rule and is
> giving me a complete brain loss. My field is at 43' sea level....Does the
> above mean I can fly at 10,000' MSL or am I limited to 2,000' AGL. For
> some reason, the above statement makes no sense. What am I missing?
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have breakfast and and only
got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not good) so I turned around and
went back home. After popping the cowling I found that my rear main oil
seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for awhile until I can pull
the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh in the morning so it'll
have to wait.
My question is can anybody give me the part number for the seal? Funny how
it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe it popped out? Any
input?
Darrel
S5/NSI/CAP
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells" <georgewells@adelphia.net>
My Model 4 Speedster presently has 600x6 tires mounted on Matco W62 Wheels.
I am planning on replacing them with 700x6 tires. My problem is the only
tubes I can find have straight valve stems and the Matco W62 requires a stem
offset 90 degrees to go thru the valve stem hole.
Does anyone know where I can find 700x6 tubes with a 90 degree off set ??
Thanks -- George
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce/ Michel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
I think Michel is in Norway!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Spruce/ Michel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
>
> Good morning Michel.
>
> Your not local, correct!
>
> Why not call Aircraft Spruce on the question of the tail wheel.
> We will find out: A/ the weight of the wheel and
> B/ if Aircraft Spruce returns calls to people overseas.
> C/ the time it takes Aircraft Spruce to return calls
during a
> busy time like Oshkosh.
> Answers B and C are important to us (just kidding)
>
> I kinda like the hard rubber, Maul wheel assembly. It lets me know that I
> have landed (well, the rear end anyway)! just kidding again.
>
> Can't wait for the answers. Eric.
> Do not archive
> e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Oil Seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Darrel,
It may have just backed out a bit. Operating at high
oil pressure for longer periods like we do is probably
the culprit.
A while back there was someone selling home made oil
seal retainers for $30 to keep that from happening.
It was right when I was just joining the list, so I am
guessing that this has been a problem before. Thye
only had 2 left then and I didn't buy one, but you
might be able to make your own. Their's was a ring
with a tab that connects to a near by engine bolt.
You also might be able to just tap it back in place if
you use a large socket/pipe to get it in straight, but
a better long term method is to drain the oil and
remove the seal and clean it up before replacing it.
My Chilton's shows the seal, but it doesn't give a
part number. Sorry. Refer to a 1984 Soob Brat (?) at
your nearest dealer, if you replace it. It is the
auto front seal of course. :-)
Best info I have for you.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
>
> I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have
> breakfast and and only
> got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not
> good) so I turned around and
> went back home. After popping the cowling I found
> that my rear main oil
> seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for
> awhile until I can pull
> the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh
> in the morning so it'll
> have to wait.
> My question is can anybody give me the part number
> for the seal? Funny how
> it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe
> it popped out? Any
> input?
> Darrel
> S5/NSI/CAP
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
You are enhancing my reputation. Anything is an
improvement!
1. Answer: "whichever is the higher". Tom has it
right. If the ground is 9600' msl, or whatever, you
can add 2000' to it for the ceiling. If the ground is
below 8000 msl, then the 10,000' ceiling rules.
2. We have a speed limit below 10,000' msl of 250
kts. Above that you have to stay under mach 1. Very
hard to see and avoid a small plane above 10,000' due
to the speed increase. Note, that speed limit doesn't
apply beyond the 12 mile limit off shore of a country
boundry. Look out if crossing open water in Europe.
But it does apply within 2000' of the ground above
10,000'. Still, military aircraft may just go
fast....
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> Tom Jones wrote:
> > You can go to 10000 MSL. You can go to 12000 MSL
> and be at 2000 AGL when
> > you cross the mountains that are 10000 feet high.
>
> Yes and, incidentally, 10,000 MSL is also the
> ceiling for Norwegian (and maybe
> other Europeans) microlights. I guess they don't
> want us to go up in the sky with a bottle. ... no
> , not whiskey, Kurt, a bottle of oxygen!
> (Man, that guy is really one-track minded! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel
Try placing and order for both tailwheels on the internet and then compare
the shipping weights. The wheels are lighter as has been stated earlier.
Your maule tail wheel body probably just needs a washer on the bottom of the
spindle to take up the slack.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Aircraft Spruce
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Dcecil3@aol.com wrote:
> > This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce.I've never gone
more
> > than a day befor getting a response.
>
> Well, it is not really helping, David. Because it would mean that Aircraft
> Spruce answers only US calls.
> Anyway, maybe somebody can help me answering this:
> What is the weight of the "Homebuilder Special" tailwheel and is the wheel
of
> soft rubber?
> The reason I ask is that the "hard rubber" Maule wheel I have now is ...
hard
> on asphalt. Originally I was thinking of changing for the pneumatic Maule,
only
> one pound heavier. But now, I don't know.
> What do you say, guys?
>
> TIA,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I can't read their minds, but I think the KitFox
creators (OK designers if you aren't a KF worshiper)
probably were trying to deal with flutter.
Michel. If you can't directly address the flutter
problem try this indirect method. See if you get
different results with your twisting when you compare
the flat profile against a semetric profile of 12% or
greater.
I think the flat profile boundry layer needs the twist
and will not roll, where the profile tail boundry
layer is thinner and therefore will add a little roll
to your results. Don't know if your program will show
it or not though. Could be a good discussion point on
your program site?
The goal is to place one side against the upper
boundry layer and the other side against the lower
boundry layer to provide equal, but opposite forces on
the elevator assembly. Equal but opposite forces are
in balance. If the tail is riding totally in the
boundry layer, it can flutter there, bouncing, as you
say Michel, off the upper and then the lower
airstream.
The other solution is to have the elevator wedge
shaped, wider and squared at the aft edge, to fill the
boundry layer.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo.
--- Ted Palamarek <temco@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
> Mike, Michel & Kurt
>
> Wasn't the twist put into the elevator to take care
> of the
> "P" factor??? I believe that is the twisting moment
> the
> plane tries to take as a result of the way the air
> comes
> rearwards off the propeller or something like that.
> I seem
> to recall this from some long ago conversation.
>
> Ted P.
> Edmonton
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > Can you simulate this on your computer?
>
> Good Lord! You're a bright chap, Kurt! Why didn't I
> think of
> that?
> ... (one hour later)
> Ok, I did that. I can, individually, change the AoA
> of each
> section (up to ten)
> of a profile. I twisted my elevators two degrees up
> on the
> port side and two
> degrees down on starboard. ... it doesn't make a
> difference
> in the plane
> stability. As for the flutter, it is not simulated,
> as you
> may guess. That is,
> simulation model flutter is an entirely different
> aspect and
> the real big
> problem in simulation. But it is for all aspects of
> modelling. Imagine that you
> simulate a bouncing ball between your hand and the
> ground.
> As you move your
> hand closer to the ground, the bouncing frequency
> increases,
> increases ...
> until something stops. Simulate that in real-time
> and you'll
> get a problem!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fact or Tales? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Tom Jones <fire_n_ice@direcway.com>
Here's an easy simulator. Fold up a simple paper airplane. Tear or cut
slots on the trailing edge to make elevators. fold one side up and one side
down and see what happens when you give it a toss through the air.
Tom Jones
> I can't read their minds, but I think the KitFox
> creators (OK designers if you aren't a KF worshiper)
> probably were trying to deal with flutter.
>
> Michel. If you can't directly address the flutter
> problem try this indirect method. See if you get
> different results with your twisting when you compare
> the flat profile against a semetric profile of 12% or
> greater.
>
> I think the flat profile boundry layer needs the twist
> and will not roll, where the profile tail boundry
> layer is thinner and therefore will add a little roll
> to your results. Don't know if your program will show
> it or not though. Could be a good discussion point on
> your program site?
>
> The goal is to place one side against the upper
> boundry layer and the other side against the lower
> boundry layer to provide equal, but opposite forces on
> the elevator assembly. Equal but opposite forces are
> in balance. If the tail is riding totally in the
> boundry layer, it can flutter there, bouncing, as you
> say Michel, off the upper and then the lower
> airstream.
>
> The other solution is to have the elevator wedge
> shaped, wider and squared at the aft edge, to fill the
> boundry layer.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo.
>
> --- Ted Palamarek <temco@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Mike, Michel & Kurt
> >
> > Wasn't the twist put into the elevator to take care
> > of the
> > "P" factor??? I believe that is the twisting moment
> > the
> > plane tries to take as a result of the way the air
> > comes
> > rearwards off the propeller or something like that.
> > I seem
> > to recall this from some long ago conversation.
> >
> > Ted P.
> > Edmonton
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> > kurt schrader wrote:
> > > Can you simulate this on your computer?
> >
> > Good Lord! You're a bright chap, Kurt! Why didn't I
> > think of
> > that?
> > ... (one hour later)
> > Ok, I did that. I can, individually, change the AoA
> > of each
> > section (up to ten)
> > of a profile. I twisted my elevators two degrees up
> > on the
> > port side and two
> > degrees down on starboard. ... it doesn't make a
> > difference
> > in the plane
> > stability. As for the flutter, it is not simulated,
> > as you
> > may guess. That is,
> > simulation model flutter is an entirely different
> > aspect and
> > the real big
> > problem in simulation. But it is for all aspects of
> > modelling. Imagine that you
> > simulate a bouncing ball between your hand and the
> > ground.
> > As you move your
> > hand closer to the ground, the bouncing frequency
> > increases,
> > increases ...
> > until something stops. Simulate that in real-time
> > and you'll
> > get a problem!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Oil Seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Kurt. I recall something about the oil seal popping out and I think
I bought one of those retainers back before my airplane was even flying, but
I'll have to look around for it. My oil pressure runs about 75 lbs cold and
45 hot, but I can't see how that can have any effect on it. Isn't it the
crankcase pressure that tries to force the seals out? I think (our late)
Mike Harter had the same problem and he said the seal was rock hard, not
flexible like it should have been. Replacement appears to me to be a
complete engine removal, not something I wanted to do during the summer, but
I guess if it's gotta be done, it's gotta be done. This is the first real
problem I've had with my soob. Bummer.
Darrel
S5/NSI/CAP
----- Original Message -----
From: "kurt schrader" <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Darrel,
>
> It may have just backed out a bit. Operating at high
> oil pressure for longer periods like we do is probably
> the culprit.
>
> A while back there was someone selling home made oil
> seal retainers for $30 to keep that from happening.
> It was right when I was just joining the list, so I am
> guessing that this has been a problem before. Thye
> only had 2 left then and I didn't buy one, but you
> might be able to make your own. Their's was a ring
> with a tab that connects to a near by engine bolt.
>
> You also might be able to just tap it back in place if
> you use a large socket/pipe to get it in straight, but
> a better long term method is to drain the oil and
> remove the seal and clean it up before replacing it.
>
> My Chilton's shows the seal, but it doesn't give a
> part number. Sorry. Refer to a 1984 Soob Brat (?) at
> your nearest dealer, if you replace it. It is the
> auto front seal of course. :-)
>
> Best info I have for you.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
> --- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> >
> > I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have
> > breakfast and and only
> > got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not
> > good) so I turned around and
> > went back home. After popping the cowling I found
> > that my rear main oil
> > seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for
> > awhile until I can pull
> > the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh
> > in the morning so it'll
> > have to wait.
> > My question is can anybody give me the part number
> > for the seal? Funny how
> > it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe
> > it popped out? Any
> > input?
> > Darrel
> > S5/NSI/CAP
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Darrel:
The oil seal is available from your friendly Subaru dealer's parts
department. You can look up the part number in your Subaru manual. But you
should also install the oil seal retainer that is (or was) available from
Joshie and Noel Simmons of Blue Sky Aviation. That will solve your problem
for good as has for me. Hope to see you at Oshkosh.
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have breakfast and and only
got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not good) so I turned around and
went back home. After popping the cowling I found that my rear main oil
seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for awhile until I can pull
the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh in the morning so it'll
have to wait.
My question is can anybody give me the part number for the seal? Funny how
it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe it popped out? Any
input?
Darrel
S5/NSI/CAP
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Richard Broom" <twobrooms@outdrs.net>
I ask the EAA about this after reading the published rule which says
10,000', then reading the synopsis on the EAA website
which reads 10,000'MSL or 2,000 AGL, whichever is higher. According to the
EAA, their website is wrong. 10,000' MSL is the absolute altitude limit.
Bummer, I live in Colorado.
Mike Broom
Golden, CO
No airplane yet
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Confused
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
"no flights above 10,000' MSL or 2,000' AGL, whichever is higher"
The above comment is from a short version of the Sport Pilot rule and is
giving me a complete brain loss. My field is at 43' sea level....Does the
above
mean I can fly at 10,000' MSL or am I limited to 2,000' AGL. For some
reason,
the above statement makes no sense. What am I missing?
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Oil Seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Peter. I'd forgotten that I've got a Soob service manual. I can
probably get the part from NAPA locally since there're no Soob dealers
within about 100 miles. I just did a shop search and found the retainer.
Was there any problem removing the pulley?
I'll be looking for you over at the NSI tent. If you get thirsty, look me
up in Camp Scholler. I'll be listed in the locator as
Darrel Morisse
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> Darrel:
> The oil seal is available from your friendly Subaru dealer's parts
> department. You can look up the part number in your Subaru manual. But you
> should also install the oil seal retainer that is (or was) available from
> Joshie and Noel Simmons of Blue Sky Aviation. That will solve your problem
> for good as has for me. Hope to see you at Oshkosh.
>
> Peter Graichen
> http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have breakfast and and only
> got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not good) so I turned around
and
> went back home. After popping the cowling I found that my rear main oil
> seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for awhile until I can
pull
> the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh in the morning so it'll
> have to wait.
> My question is can anybody give me the part number for the seal? Funny
how
> it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe it popped out? Any
> input?
> Darrel
> S5/NSI/CAP
>
>
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| Subject: | Oshkosh frequencies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Does anybody have a current listing of the ATC frequencies that'll be used
at Oshkosh? When I'm sitting around the camp I like to listen to the action
on my handheld.
Darrel
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh frequencies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Darrel,
The Oshkosh VFR Arrival frequencies are as follows:
Arrival ATIS 125.9
FISK Approach 120.7
North Tower RWY 09/27 118.5
South Tower RWY 18/36 126.6
Unicom 122.95
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Fox5flyer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>Does anybody have a current listing of the ATC frequencies that'll be used
>at Oshkosh? When I'm sitting around the camp I like to listen to the action
>on my handheld.
>Darrel
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh frequencies |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Perfect! Thanks John. Hope to see you there.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh frequencies
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
>
> Darrel,
>
> The Oshkosh VFR Arrival frequencies are as follows:
>
> Arrival ATIS 125.9
> FISK Approach 120.7
> North Tower RWY 09/27 118.5
> South Tower RWY 18/36 126.6
> Unicom 122.95
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
>
> Fox5flyer wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> >Does anybody have a current listing of the ATC frequencies that'll be
used
> >at Oshkosh? When I'm sitting around the camp I like to listen to the
action
> >on my handheld.
> >Darrel
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh anybody? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Lowell, how do I find you in the homebuilt area. Will you be camped with
your Fox? White? I'm outta here first thing in the morning.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Darrel,
>
> I know of four that will be hooking up in the Denver area that plan on
> being there Sunday through Tuesday. Our group will be leaving the
> Sacramento area of Northern California Tomorrow morning to hook up with
> another at Afton Wyoming in the evening. Our group will consist of 4 or 5
> Kitfoxes - all Model IVs and two Rans - one a Coyote and the other a
> Courier. Plans call for a Sunday evening arrival. Current plans call for
a
> Friday departure. We will be camping in the home built area.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a
decision
> to
> > drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in Camp
> > Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway some
of
> > us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the property
or
> > maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be
there
> > and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp
> > scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you up.
> > Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll
be
> > arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some of
> > you.
> > Darrel
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce/ Michel |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Thanks for your answers, guys.
Eric, I "think" I'll have a more pleasant ride on asphalt with a pneumatic
tyre. But maybe I am just kidding myself.
Glenn, is it the 4 inches or the 6 inches tyre you purchased?
Bill, I guess we are suffering of a "Oshkosh void," as Darrel points out.
Richard, correct, I am in Norway and, last but not least:
Jim, you're the smart guy of the day: Indeed, by trying to place an order, I
found out that the 6 inches Homebuilder Special is only 4.5 pounds, less than
the Maule that is 6 pounds and 7 pounds for the pneumatic one.
Now, I don't want to add weight to my tail ... for the time being. But I might
need to when I install a Jabiru ... argh, decisions, decisions! :-)
Thanks all for your help,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Thanks David,
I did get a response of sorts after posting. I just
jumped in a bit quick supporting someone else that hadn't heard back. The
only thing was they didn't answer my question re their product but instead
informed me that they have appointed Terry Adair as agent for Australia and
New Zealand. He is operating out of Melbourne and has a deal for cheap
freight from USA to Australia. I have already been in touch with him and his
service is very good. Anyone over this way can contact him at
terryadair@netspace.net.au
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: This is for the Guy trying to contact aircraft spruce |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
Good to hear it Rex
I've gotten pretty mad at them and once got an email from Jim Erwin
CEO of ACS they've always made it right. Hope your man down there will be as
good
Good Luck
David
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
The rear main seal is the large one on the flywheel end. The front seal is
the small one on the end towards the aircraft firewall, neither of which do
you need to remove the engine for. You will need to pull the flywheel if it
the rear seal, no big deal. You will also need the special puller to remove
the small redrive gear from the crank to remove the redrive. Then its a
simple matter of removing the seal and putting in the new. You may even be
able to get a slightly larger seal from a seal manufacturer. Give them the
part number for the seal on you "dune buggy" and tell them you need the seal
a thou or two larger O.D.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
Graichen
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Darrel:
The oil seal is available from your friendly Subaru dealer's parts
department. You can look up the part number in your Subaru manual. But you
should also install the oil seal retainer that is (or was) available from
Joshie and Noel Simmons of Blue Sky Aviation. That will solve your problem
for good as has for me. Hope to see you at Oshkosh.
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have breakfast and and only
got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not good) so I turned around and
went back home. After popping the cowling I found that my rear main oil
seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for awhile until I can pull
the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh in the morning so it'll
have to wait.
My question is can anybody give me the part number for the seal? Funny how
it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe it popped out? Any
input?
Darrel
S5/NSI/CAP
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Oil Seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Rick. When I said "rear seal" I meant at the firewall end, which is
actually the front seal, but only if it's sitting in a car, but it's not a
car, it's in an airplane, so I'm calling it the rear seal. We confused yet?
Anyway, you say I can replace it without removing the engine? That would
sure be nice. Have you done it? Seems pretty tight back there. Don't I
need to use a puller to get the pulley off? I've found the part number so
I'll check NAPA for the part. I've also found an online Soob parts dealer
that has it in stock. Shipping is more than the cost of the seal. I may
just order it anyway so it'll be here when I get back from the Mecca.
Darrel
>
> The rear main seal is the large one on the flywheel end. The front seal
is
> the small one on the end towards the aircraft firewall, neither of which
do
> you need to remove the engine for. You will need to pull the flywheel if
it
> the rear seal, no big deal. You will also need the special puller to
remove
> the small redrive gear from the crank to remove the redrive. Then its a
> simple matter of removing the seal and putting in the new. You may even be
> able to get a slightly larger seal from a seal manufacturer. Give them the
> part number for the seal on you "dune buggy" and tell them you need the
seal
> a thou or two larger O.D.
>
> Rick N656T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
> Graichen
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> Darrel:
> The oil seal is available from your friendly Subaru dealer's parts
> department. You can look up the part number in your Subaru manual. But you
> should also install the oil seal retainer that is (or was) available from
> Joshie and Noel Simmons of Blue Sky Aviation. That will solve your problem
> for good as has for me. Hope to see you at Oshkosh.
>
> Peter Graichen
> http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have breakfast and and only
> got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not good) so I turned around
and
> went back home. After popping the cowling I found that my rear main oil
> seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for awhile until I can
pull
> the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh in the morning so it'll
> have to wait.
> My question is can anybody give me the part number for the seal? Funny
how
> it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe it popped out? Any
> input?
> Darrel
> S5/NSI/CAP
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
You will need a puller. The NSI pulley is aluminum so be careful. There are
threaded holes in the pulley, cant remember most likely standard not metric
since it is NSI not Subaru. Those can be used with a simple puller. Be sure
you get the keyway lined up on install and use flange sealant per manual on
the bolt. Lube the seal inside not outside, use a large socket to set it
even. Take your time. Get a step stool, mirror if need be and light. If you
need any further I would be glad to help.
Rick N656T
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Rick. When I said "rear seal" I meant at the firewall end, which is
actually the front seal, but only if it's sitting in a car, but it's not a
car, it's in an airplane, so I'm calling it the rear seal. We confused yet?
Anyway, you say I can replace it without removing the engine? That would
sure be nice. Have you done it? Seems pretty tight back there. Don't I
need to use a puller to get the pulley off? I've found the part number so
I'll check NAPA for the part. I've also found an online Soob parts dealer
that has it in stock. Shipping is more than the cost of the seal. I may
just order it anyway so it'll be here when I get back from the Mecca.
Darrel
>
> The rear main seal is the large one on the flywheel end. The front seal
is
> the small one on the end towards the aircraft firewall, neither of which
do
> you need to remove the engine for. You will need to pull the flywheel if
it
> the rear seal, no big deal. You will also need the special puller to
remove
> the small redrive gear from the crank to remove the redrive. Then its a
> simple matter of removing the seal and putting in the new. You may even be
> able to get a slightly larger seal from a seal manufacturer. Give them the
> part number for the seal on you "dune buggy" and tell them you need the
seal
> a thou or two larger O.D.
>
> Rick N656T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter
> Graichen
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> Darrel:
> The oil seal is available from your friendly Subaru dealer's parts
> department. You can look up the part number in your Subaru manual. But you
> should also install the oil seal retainer that is (or was) available from
> Joshie and Noel Simmons of Blue Sky Aviation. That will solve your problem
> for good as has for me. Hope to see you at Oshkosh.
>
> Peter Graichen
> http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Oil Seal
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I went flying this morning for St Helens MI to have breakfast and and only
> got about ten miles before I smelled smoke (not good) so I turned around
and
> went back home. After popping the cowling I found that my rear main oil
> seal was suddenly leaking badly so I'm grounded for awhile until I can
pull
> the engine out and replace it. I'm off to Oshkosh in the morning so it'll
> have to wait.
> My question is can anybody give me the part number for the seal? Funny
how
> it can suddenly start spewing oil like that. Maybe it popped out? Any
> input?
> Darrel
> S5/NSI/CAP
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Oil Seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
Napa may have the puller that you can rent for a day, most auto parts stores
have specially tools that they loan or rent to customers.
Wouldn't hurt to ask...
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Oil Seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I believe you are right Darrel. Crankcase pressure.
That can't be very much pressure, or it would blow the
dipstick out the tube though. It is a lot easier to
pull out the stick than the seal. Think I was looking
for a high pressure source to blame...
I haven't done much to this engine or any Soob yet.
Had a VW for many years and worked on it a lot though.
Those VW seals leaked too, especially if I used
Mobile 1. Gave me clutch chatter when it came out
that end. One thing that surprised me was how much
the seal wore the crankshaft though. It made a pretty
good groove.
I will probably need a seal retainer some time too.
After I put in the SS valves. After I finish the
scoop, fairings and testing....
Glad you found your retainer and hope that you can do
it all with the engine on the plane too.
Have fun at OSH.
I started vacation today myself, but am too far behind
to take it up there at OSH like I planned. First time
in many years that I'll miss it.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
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