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1. 01:31 AM - SV: Fact or Tales? (Michel Verheughe)
2. 02:28 AM - SV: "P" factor (Michel Verheughe)
3. 02:43 AM - Tailwheels WAS For what its worth (Michel Verheughe)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth (flier)
5. 07:39 AM - warpdrive (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: warpdrive (jdmcbean)
7. 11:55 AM - Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth (Clem Nichols)
8. 12:47 PM - Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth (flier)
9. 05:31 PM - When did your kit ship from Skystar? That may narrow down the manufacturer (Rex & Jan Shaw)
10. 05:35 PM - What tailwheel do you have now? If you do not know then we cannot answer (Rex & Jan Shaw)
11. 07:02 PM - Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex (Ceashman@aol.com)
12. 07:39 PM - Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex (Flier)
13. 08:05 PM - Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex (Clem Nichols)
14. 09:10 PM - Ground loop (gjglh@itlnet.net)
15. 10:16 PM - Re: What tailwheel do you have now? If you do not know then we cannot answer (jimshumaker)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> I meant to say that the slight tail twist will
> probably not give any roll with a flat tail plane, but
> may with an airfoil sectioned tail.
Yes, this is what I understand too, Kurt. A flat profile has considerably less
lift than a cambered one and therefore the force exerced is much less. My simulator
can reproduce that in the way that I make my own profiles with lift, drag
and moment. For my virtual Kitfox, I made vertical and horizontal stabs that
have low lift coefficient. It is noticeable as you change heading and/or pitch
and the plane is slow at coming back to the initial position. Something I also
experience with the real Kitfox.
> The lift distribution decreases toward the wingtips,
> not just from washout, but also from the fact that the
> wing ends there and the air flows in 3 dimensions
> around the tip.
Yes, this is quite true, although I believe that my drooping wing tips are there
just to reduce the wing tip vortexes.
But the issue has been many times discussed on this simulator list and apparently
it is well simulated as it checks if wing sections are joined (prevent vortex)
or separated (slip the air), until the last section. But, unfortunately, my
drooped wing tips are not simulated as it should. To do that, one should predict
the air flow and that requires Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) that can't
be done in real-time simulation.
> Gosh we are getting complex now. Anyone else still
> awake and reading thru this?
Yes, I am, Kurt, and still enjoying it. For years, I have talked about aero-dynamism
with amateur theoricians, now I can talk about it with the guys who are
actually doing it! Thanks for sharing!
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: kurt schrader [smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com]
> It isn't "less air passing it", but just more or less
> pitch to move more or less air.
I think we all agree, Jim and Kurt. The reason I wrote "less air passing it" is
that, in a previous discussion with my simulator friends, we were explained the
P-factor as a comparison to an helicopter's rotor where one blade is going
in the direction of the flight (thus increasing the air speed passing it) while
the other is going the other way. Of course, the helo is an exaggerated (nearly
90 degrees) example of the P-factor but something that worked for my comprehension
of it. Also, the difference of air speed passing the blade is the difference
of pitch above-mentionned. Just a way of saying the same thing in a different
manner, I think.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Tailwheels WAS For what its worth |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
> A rough measurement is only about 4" from the centre of the axle to the
> support bracket
From that info, I think you have the Homebuilder Special, Rex. Reading Aircraft
Spruce web pages, I figured out this:
1) Homebuilder Special 4" weight: ? tyre: soft rubber
2) Homebulder Special 6" weight: 4.5 lbs tyre: soft rubber
3) Maule 6" Weight: 6 lbs. tyre: hard rubber
4) Maule 8" Weight: 7 lbs. tyre: pneumatic
Like you, I wish to change to a pneumatic tyre for less noise on asphalt and ...
less ground loop is cool too! :-)
But, as far as I know, none of the above tyres are interchangeable, you have to
purchase the whole assembly.
Glenn, thanks for your info on 6".
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
I just installed the homebuilder tailwheel on my
Maule assy yesterday. Works like a charm. The Maule
bearings are 1/2" ID while the homebuilder is 5/8"
ID. Short piece of 5/8" (1/16" wall) steel tube made
a perfect bushing. Then a 1/2" flat washer under the
nut. 20 minute job max.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its
worth
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
<michel@online.no>
>
>> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
>> A rough measurement is only about 4" from the
centre of the axle to the
>> support bracket
>
>From that info, I think you have the Homebuilder
Special, Rex. Reading Aircraft Spruce web pages, I
figured out this:
>1) Homebuilder Special 4" weight: ? tyre: soft
rubber
>2) Homebulder Special 6" weight: 4.5 lbs tyre: soft
rubber
>3) Maule 6" Weight: 6 lbs. tyre: hard rubber
>4) Maule 8" Weight: 7 lbs. tyre: pneumatic
>
>Like you, I wish to change to a pneumatic tyre for
less noise on asphalt and ... less ground loop is
cool too! :-)
>But, as far as I know, none of the above tyres are
interchangeable, you have to purchase the whole
assembly.
>
>Glenn, thanks for your info on 6".
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
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I have a friend with a series V, subaru, and IVO(really heavy chord) that is not
satisfied with performance and suspecting that the prop is not appropriate fit
for plane. Does anyone know of a used warp drive 3-blade for sale?
I have a friend with a series V, subaru, and IVO(really heavy chord) that is not
satisfied with performance and suspecting that the prop is not appropriate fit
for plane. Does anyone know of a used warp drive 3-blade for sale?
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I have a new Warp that needs to go away.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I have a friend with a series V, subaru, and IVO(really heavy chord) that is
not satisfied with performance and suspecting that the prop is not
appropriate fit for plane. Does anyone know of a used warp drive 3-blade
for sale?
I have a friend with a series V, subaru, and IVO(really heavy chord) that is
not satisfied with performance and suspecting that the prop is not
appropriate fit for plane. Does anyone know of a used warp drive 3-blade for
sale?
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Michel:
From this message it would seem that your interpretation of having to
replace the entire tailwheel assembly in order to use the Homebuilder's tire
is incorrect. I had been given the same impression by another group member.
Do not archive
Clem Nichols
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From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I just installed the homebuilder tailwheel on my
> Maule assy yesterday. Works like a charm. The Maule
> bearings are 1/2" ID while the homebuilder is 5/8"
> ID. Short piece of 5/8" (1/16" wall) steel tube made
> a perfect bushing. Then a 1/2" flat washer under the
> nut. 20 minute job max.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its
> worth
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> <michel@online.no>
> >
> >> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
> >> A rough measurement is only about 4" from the
> centre of the axle to the
> >> support bracket
> >
> >From that info, I think you have the Homebuilder
> Special, Rex. Reading Aircraft Spruce web pages, I
> figured out this:
> >1) Homebuilder Special 4" weight: ? tyre: soft
> rubber
> >2) Homebulder Special 6" weight: 4.5 lbs tyre: soft
> rubber
> >3) Maule 6" Weight: 6 lbs. tyre: hard rubber
> >4) Maule 8" Weight: 7 lbs. tyre: pneumatic
> >
> >Like you, I wish to change to a pneumatic tyre for
> less noise on asphalt and ... less ground loop is
> cool too! :-)
> >But, as far as I know, none of the above tyres are
> interchangeable, you have to purchase the whole
> assembly.
> >
> >Glenn, thanks for your info on 6".
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Michel
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
You're right Clem. The homebuilder wheel/tire fits
the Maule great and is softer. I'd definately try it
before going all the way with the pneumatic maule
tailwheel because it's quite a bit larger, heavier,
and a lot more costly! $26 is a pretty good deal...
Regards,
Ted
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From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its
worth
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
<cnichols@scrtc.com>
>
>Michel:
>
>From this message it would seem that your
interpretation of having to
>replace the entire tailwheel assembly in order to
use the Homebuilder's tire
>is incorrect. I had been given the same impression
by another group member.
>Do not archive
>
>Clem Nichols
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>; <kitfox-
list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what
its worth
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
<FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> I just installed the homebuilder tailwheel on my
>> Maule assy yesterday. Works like a charm. The
Maule
>> bearings are 1/2" ID while the homebuilder is 5/8"
>> ID. Short piece of 5/8" (1/16" wall) steel tube
made
>> a perfect bushing. Then a 1/2" flat washer under
the
>> nut. 20 minute job max.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its
>> worth
>>
>> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel
Verheughe
>> <michel@online.no>
>> >
>> >> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
>> >> A rough measurement is only about 4" from the
>> centre of the axle to the
>> >> support bracket
>> >
>> >From that info, I think you have the Homebuilder
>> Special, Rex. Reading Aircraft Spruce web pages, I
>> figured out this:
>> >1) Homebuilder Special 4" weight: ? tyre:
soft
>> rubber
>> >2) Homebulder Special 6" weight: 4.5 lbs tyre:
soft
>> rubber
>> >3) Maule 6" Weight: 6 lbs. tyre: hard rubber
>> >4) Maule 8" Weight: 7 lbs. tyre: pneumatic
>> >
>> >Like you, I wish to change to a pneumatic tyre for
>> less noise on asphalt and ... less ground loop is
>> cool too! :-)
>> >But, as far as I know, none of the above tyres are
>> interchangeable, you have to purchase the whole
>> assembly.
>> >
>> >Glenn, thanks for your info on 6".
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Michel
>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | When did your kit ship from Skystar? That may narrow down |
the manufacturer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
When did your kit ship from Skystar? That may narrow down the manufacturer
I didn't build the plane but only bought it last November. I am sorry to be
arkward but I don't really know when it was shipped. I have a fair bit of
paperwork with it and I know construction took 12 months. Going on that my
best guess is that the Kit was shipped in '93 and completed in '94. However
I'm hoping this is not complicated by the fact the kit was a replacement.
The guy that built it originally built a MKIII but the aluminium wing tanks
split in flight and he wrecked the plane putting it down. Skystar [ or was
it Denney then ] gave him another kit as compensation but I don't know if
that was a full kit. I wonder if he might not have just needed the main
airframe and used some of the MKIII bits. So sorry I don't really know the
answer to your Question except to say there is only about 4" from the centre
of the axle to the support arm where it passes the tyre. It works out that
any replacent will need to be only about 7" in outside dia. The present
wheel is more of a rubber tyred roller.
When Aircraft spruce talk about 4" and 6" I assume that is the rim size. Is
that right ?
Thanks Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | What tailwheel do you have now? If you do not know then |
we cannot answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
What tailwheel do you have now? If you do not know then we cannot answer
your question.
Thanks Jim, I appreciate your point but I don't know the answer. Please see
explanation elsewhere on list. I was not aware that therewas different
tailwheels on a MKIV. Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello Michel and Rex
Now you have me wondering!
All this discussion of a soft tail wheel, supposed to alleviate ground loops,
or less prone. I thought that a ground loop was pilot inflicted, particularly
when the drivers mind is on something else like the rear of the vehicle.
Don't know about you, but when I am at that crucial moment, I'm thinking about
the
front end staying in front of the plane in relationship to everything else
around me at that time.
Anyway, thats what my instructor advised. He said pilot this aircraft 'till
you stop the engine.
Now' If what your saying is that the inflatable rear wheel is a no brainer,
when it comes to landing. Then I want one, just to get the stress out of my
flying (ha, ha).
Someone. Please let me know.
Greetings. Eric. Hard wheel Classic IV,
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
My two cents. Has nothing to do with the tailwheel. I put the softer
tailwheel on to take some of the rumble out of taxiing. I've never had a
problem with groundloop with the 'hard' maule.
Regards,
Ted
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Ceashman@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello Michel and Rex
Now you have me wondering!
All this discussion of a soft tail wheel, supposed to alleviate ground
loops,
or less prone. I thought that a ground loop was pilot inflicted,
particularly
when the drivers mind is on something else like the rear of the vehicle.
Don't know about you, but when I am at that crucial moment, I'm thinking
about the
front end staying in front of the plane in relationship to everything else
around me at that time.
Anyway, thats what my instructor advised. He said pilot this aircraft 'till
you stop the engine.
Now' If what your saying is that the inflatable rear wheel is a no brainer,
when it comes to landing. Then I want one, just to get the stress out of my
flying (ha, ha).
Someone. Please let me know.
Greetings. Eric. Hard wheel Classic IV,
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Earlier info on this group suggests that the spring tension on the tailwheel
than does the actual wheel itself. IMHO Ted is correct in that the
advantage of a soft rubber or pneumatic tailwheel is strictly in smoother
taxiing. I don't think there's a tailwheel made that will prevent a
ground-loop. If anyone knows of one, please let me know. Thanks
Clem Nichols
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
>
> My two cents. Has nothing to do with the tailwheel. I put the softer
> tailwheel on to take some of the rumble out of taxiing. I've never had a
> problem with groundloop with the 'hard' maule.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Ceashman@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth Michel &Rex
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
>
> Hello Michel and Rex
> Now you have me wondering!
> All this discussion of a soft tail wheel, supposed to alleviate ground
> loops,
> or less prone. I thought that a ground loop was pilot inflicted,
> particularly
> when the drivers mind is on something else like the rear of the vehicle.
> Don't know about you, but when I am at that crucial moment, I'm thinking
> about the
> front end staying in front of the plane in relationship to everything else
> around me at that time.
> Anyway, thats what my instructor advised. He said pilot this aircraft
'till
> you stop the engine.
> Now' If what your saying is that the inflatable rear wheel is a no
brainer,
> when it comes to landing. Then I want one, just to get the stress out of
my
> flying (ha, ha).
>
> Someone. Please let me know.
> Greetings. Eric. Hard wheel Classic IV,
>
> e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net
Remember this poem
Gary
Spdster912LS
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| Subject: | Re: What tailwheel do you have now? If you do not know then |
we cannot answer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Rex
If the tailwheel doesn't have identifying marks on it you can compare it to
the pictures in ACS catalog. It is probably a maule. the diameter of the
tailwheel is the overall size, not the rim size.
Jim Shumaker
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From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: What tailwheel do you have now? If you do not know
then we cannot answer
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> What tailwheel do you have now? If you do not know then we cannot answer
> your question.
>
> Thanks Jim, I appreciate your point but I don't know the answer. Please
see
> explanation elsewhere on list. I was not aware that therewas different
> tailwheels on a MKIV. Rex.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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