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1. 02:26 AM - SV: Tailwheels (Michel Verheughe)
2. 02:37 AM - Fw: Tailwheels (Peter Brookes)
3. 03:44 AM - Re: SV: Tailwheels (Ceashman@aol.com)
4. 07:50 AM - Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost? (kitfoxjunky)
5. 09:49 AM - Re: SV: List posting and values (kurt schrader)
6. 09:52 AM - Re: Tailwheels (kurt schrader)
7. 09:53 AM - Re: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
8. 09:58 AM - Tailwheel Troubles (Scott McClintock)
9. 11:27 AM - Re: SV: List posting and values (Michel Verheughe)
10. 11:45 AM - Re: SV: List posting and values (Marc Arseneault)
11. 11:49 AM - Re: Tailwheel Troubles (Michel Verheughe)
12. 01:05 PM - Kitfox mk1 questions (again) (User)
13. 01:43 PM - Re: Kitfox mk1 questions (again) (Ray Kurian)
14. 01:48 PM - Re: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost? (Bob Robertson)
15. 01:51 PM - Re: Kitfox mk1 questions (again) (Ray Kurian)
16. 02:14 PM - Re: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost? (jdmcbean)
17. 02:34 PM - Re: Kitfox mk1 questions (again) (Michel Verheughe)
18. 03:16 PM - New 912S installation not charging battery (Randy Daughenbaugh)
19. 03:44 PM - Sport Pilot (Dcecil3@aol.com)
20. 04:44 PM - Re: Sport Pilot (Steve Cooper)
21. 04:50 PM - Re: New 912S installation not charging battery (Bob Robertson)
22. 04:55 PM - Re: SV: List posting and values (Rick)
23. 06:03 PM - skystar (Jay & Beverly Carter)
24. 06:49 PM - Re: SV: List posting and values (Matt Dralle)
25. 07:24 PM - List posting and values (Clem Nichols)
26. 07:30 PM - Re: skystar (Roger McConnell)
27. 07:30 PM - Re: New 912S installation not charging battery (Randy Daughenbaugh)
28. 07:52 PM - Re: List posting and values (Don Pearsall)
29. 08:39 PM - Re: When did your kit ship from Skystar? That may narrow down the manufacturer (Jose M. Toro)
30. 09:00 PM - Re: skystar (Arthur Nation)
31. 09:28 PM - Re: SV: List posting and values (Guy Buchanan)
32. 09:56 PM - Re: SV: List posting and values (kurt schrader)
33. 10:05 PM - Re: SV: List posting and values (Steve Cooper)
34. 11:19 PM - Re: skystar (william mills)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Clem and Eric,
> From: Clem Nichols [cnichols@scrtc.com]
> From this message it would seem that your interpretation of having to
> replace the entire tailwheel assembly in order to use the Homebuilder's tire
> is incorrect.
I haven't said that, nor have I said that a pneumatic tyre helps preventing ground
looks. Please, read again my posting.
For nearly two years, this list has helped me a lot with my questions about the
Kitfox. Now and then, I try to "repay" the list by writing something, as in
this case, I made a comparison table between the different gears, with dimensions,
weights and type of tyres.
Unfortunately it looks like, EACH TIME I write something, there is something wrong
with it. As a result, I don't feel very motivated to post anymore in the future.
Which is most unfortunate because I am also the owner and moderator of
two other internet lists (not Kitfox related) and, as such, I try to motivate
their subscribers to, not only post when they have a problem, but also try to
help other members whenever possible, even if the answer is not always exactly
complete.
Yes, I understand the danger for a flying machine to be modified according to the
amateur advice of a not-so-wise member. This is why I am very careful not to
give any opinion without saying: "Kids, don't do this at home, check first with
the pros!"
But my posting about tailwheels had nothing to do with flying safety.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Brookes" <pdbrookes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Michel,
Don't stop posting! Your comments and questions are valuable and I always
enjoy reading them!
Pete.
Kitfox II G-BTBG
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Clem and Eric,
>
> > From: Clem Nichols [cnichols@scrtc.com]
> > From this message it would seem that your interpretation of having to
> > replace the entire tailwheel assembly in order to use the Homebuilder's
tire
> > is incorrect.
>
> I haven't said that, nor have I said that a pneumatic tyre helps
preventing ground looks. Please, read again my posting.
> For nearly two years, this list has helped me a lot with my questions
about the Kitfox. Now and then, I try to "repay" the list by writing
something, as in this case, I made a comparison table between the different
gears, with dimensions, weights and type of tyres.
> Unfortunately it looks like, EACH TIME I write something, there is
something wrong with it. As a result, I don't feel very motivated to post
anymore in the future. Which is most unfortunate because I am also the owner
and moderator of two other internet lists (not Kitfox related) and, as such,
I try to motivate their subscribers to, not only post when they have a
problem, but also try to help other members whenever possible, even if the
answer is not always exactly complete.
> Yes, I understand the danger for a flying machine to be modified according
to the amateur advice of a not-so-wise member. This is why I am very careful
not to give any opinion without saying: "Kids, don't do this at home, check
first with the pros!"
> But my posting about tailwheels had nothing to do with flying safety.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Good morning Michel.
From an earlier posting.
"My reason for wanting a pneumatic wheel is that a lot have said it is less
prone to ground loops. Also the original is very noisy and rough.
I think there is a few of us interested in clarification if someone can
do so please."
Michel, I don, t remember who actually wrote this, I don, t think that is
important.
What I remember is some of us continuing to support the idea of the type of
tail wheel helping with ground loops. That is what my question is about, Does
the soft wheel actually help to avoid the ground loop? and my question was for
all to answer.
I didn't mean you, personally, held the inflatable wheel in such high regard.
I responded to your and Rex's comments because they were the latest comments
on the topic and nothing else. (trying to not break the communication string).
Michel, You wrote:
Which is most unfortunate because I am also the owner and moderator of two
other Internet lists (not Kitfox related) and, as such, I try to motivate their
subscribers to, not only post when they have a problem, but also try to help
other members whenever possible, even if the answer is not always exactly
complete?
To respond to this.
You will be receiving many comments from the Kitfox List, people reminding
you to stay for many reasons. One reason to stay is, definitely you provide
motivation for others to tune in to the list. And you almost always respond to
other peoples questions. Your response may not be the answer, but because you
initiate the conversation, the group builds momentum and therefore, usually, the
solution is found.
I for one, would miss your inquisitiveness and honesty. And have you noticed
how you initiate a lot of response! that is the energy you share.
You already have a reminder to stay!
Don't stop posting! Your comments and questions are valuable and I always
enjoy reading them!
Pete.
Kitfox II G-BTBG
NOW! Can someone answer. Will a soft wheel help with ground loops (ha ha)
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost? |
10:50:17 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I have my Rotax 912S in for inspection. The shop doing the work has
recommended that I install the slipper clutch. They say that this really
smooths out the engine, especially at lower RPM, and will help reduce
problems I have had with the exhaust cracking due to vibration. My Fox is
up high, on anphib floats, so the chance of a prop strike is minimal, which
is why I was not too concerned about not having the clutch.
The cost is about $ 1000, but the shop says they have a slightly used one
they can install for $ 600. Is it worth it?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel and the List,
Michel, you wrote:
> I haven't said that, .....
> For nearly two years, this list has helped me a lot
> with my questions about the Kitfox. Now and then, I
> try to "repay" the list by writing something,.....
> Unfortunately it looks like, EACH TIME I write
> something, there is something wrong with it. As a
> result, I don't feel very motivated to post anymore
> in the future.....
> Which is most unfortunate because I
> am also the owner and moderator of two other
> internet lists (not Kitfox related) and, as such, I
> try to motivate their subscribers to not only post
> when they have a problem, but also try to help other
> members whenever possible, even if the answer is not
> always exactly complete......
> Cheers,
> Michel
Michel, You aren't the first to feel this way. Each
time any of us move from learning and asking questions
to offering help, we get challenged. Some take a lot
of "heat" for it and the more you offer, the more you
get attacked. When it happens to you personally,
especially when it is not done with good diplomacy, it
is hard to remember that this challenging is healthy.
None of us has all the right answers, and some of the
right answers are attacked more than the wrong ones.
Being right is no assurance of not being attacked.
I think it was before your time here, but a lister
that I admire very much was attacked quite hard over
his thorough testing and reporting of the failure of
the MIL spec fuel hoses SS puts in the kit. He
probably saved a few lives, if not some aircraft
damage for those of us on this list. I have met
others off the list who also have had their fuel lines
swell shut and could have avoided their personal bad
experiences if they were here and had such great help.
I consider this lister a hero, yet he felt driven
from the list for a time by the attacks.
You don't always know it when someone saves your life,
nor when you save someone elses.
We have a saying here. "The pioneers take the
arrows."
My points are:
1. That you are safer here on the list than not here.
2. The more you actually stand up for something and
try to help, the more you will be attacked for it.
3. When you push against resistance, you grow
stronger, unless you quit.
4. It is you and those like you who have the courage
to post here who help the others. Silence is
learning, but it is not "golden".
5. Where would this list or any of us in the world be
if we all were afraid to speak out?
6. It is ok to learn while teaching and we all have
to stand to be corrected from time to time.
7. You can't get knocked down, if you don't first
stand up. But if you don't stand up, you are always
down.
So stick around. Put on your flame proof suit and
proudly speak out. Expect to get burned occasionally,
but like the cyclist Lance Armstorng, keep on
trucking. You only win by going thru the pain.
You've just taken your first step from pacifist to
conservative. Once you have done that, not just your
life, but world events look different, because you
understand heros.
Now lets see who responds and how.... :-)
Kurt S.
> do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Or maybe you can post a few pics of your tailwheel for
us to help better?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> When did your kit ship from Skystar? That may
> narrow down the manufacturer
>
> I didn't build the plane but only bought it last
> November. I am sorry to be
> arkward but I don't really know when it was shipped.
> I have a fair bit of
> paperwork with it and I know construction took 12
> months. Going on that my
> best guess is that the Kit was shipped in '93 and
> completed in '94. However
> I'm hoping this is not complicated by the fact the
> kit was a replacement.
> The guy that built it originally built a MKIII but
> the aluminium wing tanks
> split in flight and he wrecked the plane putting it
> down. Skystar [ or was
> it Denney then ] gave him another kit as
> compensation but I don't know if
> that was a full kit. I wonder if he might not have
> just needed the main
> airframe and used some of the MKIII bits. So sorry I
> don't really know the
> answer to your Question except to say there is only
> about 4" from the centre
> of the axle to the support arm where it passes the
> tyre. It works out that
> any replacent will need to be only about 7" in
> outside dia. The present
> wheel is more of a rubber tyred roller.
> When Aircraft spruce talk about 4" and 6" I assume
> that is the rim size. Is
> that right ?
>
> Thanks Rex.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
cos t?
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the
cos t?
Nice website Gary,
Do you have puddle jumper floats on your plane?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky"
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I have my Rotax 912S in for inspection. The shop doing the work has
recommended that I install the slipper clutch. They say that this really
smooths out the engine, especially at lower RPM, and will help reduce
problems I have had with the exhaust cracking due to vibration. My Fox is
up high, on anphib floats, so the chance of a prop strike is minimal, which
is why I was not too concerned about not having the clutch.
The cost is about $ 1000, but the shop says they have a slightly used one
they can install for $ 600. Is it worth it?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Tailwheel Troubles |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Alright you guys, knock it off.
Michel, speaking for myself, I value your opinions and advice. Just
because somebody laid some "crap in your corn flakes" is no reason to go
"nil".
You don't want to throw out the pizza just because you don't like
anchovies. Pick them off and keep the good stuff!
I have the pneumatic "tundra" tailwheel on the "Arctic Fox". It was not
a factor in my May groundloop. The fact that the assembly goes to full
castoring when holding an aggressive left rudder probably was though. My
spring gear left El Cajon, CA. yesterday so I should be back up in the
sky within a week or two. One thing I plan to do is disable the free
castoring feature of my tailwheel, at least for a while. The consensus I
got from fellow listers (and others not on this list) was that this
should help my roll outs without adversely affecting ground handling too
much.
Want to share your opinion on this, Michel?
Scott in Nome
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| Subject: | Re: List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> So stick around.
Thanks Pete, Eric and Kurt but ... who said I was considering leaving the list?
Do you think I am crazy? This list is my only reliable source of information
about the Kitfox and I need to learn ... a lot.
I wrote (and I quote): "I don't feel very motivated to post anymore in the future."
Which means: In the future, if someone asks a question, you guys do the
answering because some people are reading between my lines and then I need to
explain and it creates a lot of unnecessary treads, which I can't be bothered
to follow.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Michel,
Happy to hearthat you aren't leavingthe list as I enjoy reading your posts! Don't
worry about the comments fromsome thatat times canbe very rudeand keep posting.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: Michel Verheughe michel@online.no Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com To:
kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: List posting and values
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:26:16 +0200 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel
Verheughe michel@online.no kurt schrader wrote: So stick around. Thanks Pete,
Eric and Kurt but ... who said I was considering leaving the list? Do you
think I am crazy? This list is my only reliable source of information about the
Kitfox and I need to learn ... a lot. I wrote (and I quote): "I don't feel
very motivated to post anymore in the future." Which means: In the future, if
someone asks a question, y
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Troubles |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Scott McClintock wrote:
> Want to share your opinion on this, Michel?
Well, I never had a ground loop so it is not easy for me to talk against the
free-castoring, Scott.
Yesterday evening, I flew to a nearby airfield where a friend is re-building a
Kitfox from scratch (used as a seaplane, the frame is rusted and needs
sandblasting, etc.) Beautiful flight just before the legal VFR night (six
degrees under the horizon) in silk smooth air.
That airfield is grass, a smooth landing compared with my asphalt home field. I
taxied out of the landing stripe then pressed the right pedal and brake, and
did an elegant 180 turn on one wheel, pointing the nose toward the stripe,
ready to leave. Wow! I love that free-castoring wheel! It's also very handy
when I have to do a complex manoeuvre to get my plane in the hangar that is
barely as wide as half my wing span.
... but, as I said, I still have to experience the bad side of it. Maybe the
best would be to have the locking device controlled from the cockpit, like on
the DC-3.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Kitfox mk1 questions (again) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "User" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
I have this week taken into my care, a Kitfox Mk 1 which although it was
built in 1989 , it only has a total of 68 flying hours.
The owner / builder is sadly no longer with us, and as his family are keen
to see it fly again, they have asked me to get it in an airworthy condition
and to renew it's UK permit to fly.
It has been standing in a hangar for a number of years, although the engine
(Rotax 532) has been run periodically.
It is in fantastic condition, mainly down to the high standard of
workmanship when it was built, and it's good storage conditions.
My questions to the list are mainly, what capacity battery does it require,
as the original has been removed,and during it's forthcoming inspection ,
are there any items I should be especially looking out for, given that it
has not been flown for a long time , are there any modifications or updates
that it may have missed out on during this time, either to the engine or
airframe, which it may benefit from, is there a good source of information
on line I could look at which would help me to get it airworthy again ?
Any information would be gratefully received.
Thanks in advance,
Paul ,
Matlock, Derbyshire
UK
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox mk1 questions (again) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" <raykurian@earthlink.net>
Paul,
I have a MK 1, (still building).
There have been several mandatory modifications. Mass balance for the
flaperons for one, and a couple of others (I don't have my documentation
with me here) but you can follow this link and it will show you what they
are. You may already have the mods in place.
http://www.skystar.com/service_bulletins.htm
HTH
Ray Kurian
raykurian@earthlink.net
KitFox Model 1 (project for sale to pay medical bills)
----- Original Message -----
From: "User" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox mk1 questions (again)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "User" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
>
> I have this week taken into my care, a Kitfox Mk 1 which although it was
> built in 1989 , it only has a total of 68 flying hours.
> The owner / builder is sadly no longer with us, and as his family are
keen
> to see it fly again, they have asked me to get it in an airworthy
condition
> and to renew it's UK permit to fly.
> It has been standing in a hangar for a number of years, although the
engine
> (Rotax 532) has been run periodically.
> It is in fantastic condition, mainly down to the high standard of
> workmanship when it was built, and it's good storage conditions.
> My questions to the list are mainly, what capacity battery does it
require,
> as the original has been removed,and during it's forthcoming inspection ,
> are there any items I should be especially looking out for, given that it
> has not been flown for a long time , are there any modifications or
updates
> that it may have missed out on during this time, either to the engine or
> airframe, which it may benefit from, is there a good source of information
> on line I could look at which would help me to get it airworthy again ?
>
> Any information would be gratefully received.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul ,
> Matlock, Derbyshire
> UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon@telusplanet.net>
Gary,
Go for it!!!..... I know my answer is going to be considered biased as we
are a Rotax Service Center, but.....
we have seen the difference between engines that have the slipper clutch and
those that don't. It does help smoothen out the running at the lower rpm's,
but it also helps with the inherant vibtation at mid range (3700-4500 rpm)
that occurs in some airframes.
The start up and shut downs are less "shakey"...$600.00 is a pretty good
deal (especially if it is Canadian dollars)....
Hope this helps
Bob Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky"
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
>
> I have my Rotax 912S in for inspection. The shop doing the work has
> recommended that I install the slipper clutch. They say that this really
> smooths out the engine, especially at lower RPM, and will help reduce
> problems I have had with the exhaust cracking due to vibration. My Fox is
> up high, on anphib floats, so the chance of a prop strike is minimal,
which
> is why I was not too concerned about not having the clutch.
>
> The cost is about $ 1000, but the shop says they have a slightly used one
> they can install for $ 600. Is it worth it?
>
>
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
> www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox mk1 questions (again) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ray Kurian" <raykurian@earthlink.net>
Paul,
Since you have the 532 on that plane, here is a quote from an earlier email
message.
I realize you're in the UK, and this might not work for you.
**********
Rotax Upgrades Engine Trade-in Program
Following up on an innovative trade-in program for Rotax two-stroke engine
program, a new and far more aggressive version of that effort has just been
announced. Engines traded in under this program will not be rebuilt, reused,
or
put back into service. Their serial numbers will be taken out of service as
aircraft engines. Rotax hopes that the result will deplete the sport
aviation
market of old, tired, and worn-out "rebuilt" or "overhauled" engines.
Rotax sources note that with the new sport aircraft category coming, that
"With fresh engines on board it is our belief that recertified Light Sport
Aircraft will be easy to transition and convey to any DAR inspecting them a
feeling
of confidence in the suitability of such an aircraft for the experimental
light sport rating."
Exchange program for type 532,582 and 618 engines
Scope: To stimulate the market and assist the upcoming Sport Aircraft
transitions a special offer will being on July 1, 2004. A type 582 DCDI
engine,
complete, with the carburetion and fuel pump, the exhaust, will be offered
as
replacement for exchange to all owners of the aircraft engine version type
532, 582
or 618. This will be regardless of age of the original engine or
registration, as long as the serial number is found within the current
database. Check
with an Authorized Rotax Service Center to see if your serial number
applies. No
snowmobile serial numbers will be accepted for this exchange.
To qualify
The owner must ship, at his expense, all the required parts to the Service
Center to remove this engine from service. The retention of any of the parts
is
not allowed.
The parts to be returned are:
The engine assembly, crankcase, cylinders and heads with ignition attached.
The exhaust system complete
The carburetors, fuel pump
The recoil starter.
(In the event the engine has only a magneto end electric start, the new
engine will have the recoil removed for installation of the electric
starter). The
new type 582 engine must be registered at the time of sale by the Service
Center for warranty to begin immediately, no deferral of start times.
For engine types 532 trade in: The owner will pay $3838.00 USD to the
Service
Center, plus any shipping and handling of the new engine.
Suggested retail = $4638. Trade in sale price = $3838
Effective date: July 1, 2004
Termination date: October 30, 2004
Exchange program for type 377 and 477 engines
Scope: To stimulate the market and assist the upcoming Sport Aircraft
transitions a special offer has been developed. A type 447 SCDI engine,
complete,
with the carburetion and fuel pump, the exhaust, will be offered as
replacement
for exchange to all owners of the aircraft engine version type 377 or 477.
This
will be regardless of age of the original engine or registration, as long as
the serial number is found within the current database. No snowmobile serial
numbers will be accepted for this exchange. Check with an Authorized Rotax
Service Center to see if your serial number applies.
To qualify
The owner must ship, at his expense, all the required parts to the Service
Center to remove this engine from service. The retention of any of the parts
is
not allowed.
The parts to be returned are:
The engine assembly, crankcase, cylinders and heads with ignition attached.
The exhaust system complete
The carburetors, fuel pump
The recoil starter.
(In the event the engine has only a magneto end electric start, the new
engine will have the recoil removed for installation of the electric
starter)
The new type 477 engine must be registered at the time of sale by the
Service
Center for warranty to begin immediately, no deferral of start times. The
owner will pay $1999.00 USD to the Service Center, plus any shipping and
handling
of the new engine.
Suggested retail = $2465 Trade in sale price = 1999
Effective date: July 1, 2004
Termination date: October 30, 2004
Exchange program for type 503 engines
Scope: To stimulate the market and assist the upcoming Sport Aircraft
transitions a special offer has been developed. A type 503 SCDI engine,
complete,
with the carburetion and fuel pump, the exhaust, will be offered as
replacement
for exchange to all owners of the aircraft engine version type 503. This
will
be regardless of age of the original engine or registration, as long as the
serial number is found within the current database. No snowmobile serial
numbers
will be accepted for this exchange. Check with an Authorized Rotax Service
Center to see if your serial number applies.
To qualify
The owner must ship, at his expense, all the required parts to the Service
Center to remove this engine from service. The retention of any of the parts
is
not allowed.
The parts to be returned are:
The engine assembly, crankcase, cylinders and heads with ignition attached.
The exhaust system complete
The carburetors, fuel pump
The recoil starter.
(In the event the engine has only a magneto end electric start, the new
engine will have the recoil removed for installation of the electric
starter)
The new type 477 engine must be registered at the time of sale by the
Service
Center for warranty to begin immediately, no deferral of start times. The
owner will pay $2500.00 USD to the Service Center, plus any shipping and
handling
of the new engine.
Suggested retail = $3273.00 Trade in sale price = $2500.00
Effective date: July 1, 2004
Termination date: December 20, 2004
FMI: Please contact one of the following Authorized Kodiak Service Centers
California
Power Systems: info@800-airwolf.com
Florida
Lockwood Aviation Supply: lockwood@digital.net
Mississippi
South Mississippi Light Aircraft: flysmla@datasync.com
Wisconsin
Leading Edge Air Foils: info@leadingedge-airfoils.com
**********
----- Original Message -----
From: "User" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox mk1 questions (again)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "User" <paul@wilsonnet.flyer.co.uk>
>
> I have this week taken into my care, a Kitfox Mk 1 which although it was
> built in 1989 , it only has a total of 68 flying hours.
> The owner / builder is sadly no longer with us, and as his family are
keen
> to see it fly again, they have asked me to get it in an airworthy
condition
> and to renew it's UK permit to fly.
> It has been standing in a hangar for a number of years, although the
engine
> (Rotax 532) has been run periodically.
> It is in fantastic condition, mainly down to the high standard of
> workmanship when it was built, and it's good storage conditions.
> My questions to the list are mainly, what capacity battery does it
require,
> as the original has been removed,and during it's forthcoming inspection ,
> are there any items I should be especially looking out for, given that it
> has not been flown for a long time , are there any modifications or
updates
> that it may have missed out on during this time, either to the engine or
> airframe, which it may benefit from, is there a good source of information
> on line I could look at which would help me to get it airworthy again ?
>
> Any information would be gratefully received.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul ,
> Matlock, Derbyshire
> UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Gary,
I have operated the factory aircraft with and without the slipper clutch.
I had it installed in mine... I think it does make a difference.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kitfoxjunky
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax 912S - Is the slipper clutch worth the cost?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky"
<kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
I have my Rotax 912S in for inspection. The shop doing the work has
recommended that I install the slipper clutch. They say that this really
smooths out the engine, especially at lower RPM, and will help reduce
problems I have had with the exhaust cracking due to vibration. My Fox is
up high, on anphib floats, so the chance of a prop strike is minimal, which
is why I was not too concerned about not having the clutch.
The cost is about $ 1000, but the shop says they have a slightly used one
they can install for $ 600. Is it worth it?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox mk1 questions (again) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Ray Kurian wrote:
> Since you have the 532 on that plane, here is a quote from an earlier email
> message.
> I realize you're in the UK, and this might not work for you.
I asked my local Rotax agent and unfortunately it doesn't work for Norway. It
will be interesting to know if it works for UK. Whatever the answer, I wonder
why the offer is valid for some countries and not others. The mind of Rotax
moves in mysterious ways.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | New 912S installation not charging battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
I can make the big fan out front make wind. It just doesn't charge the
battery.
I have rechecked the wiring diagram a bunch of times, and if I am reading it
right, I have it wired correctly. ?? I am using an EIS from Grand Rapids
Tech. The engine runs great, but I can watch the battery voltage go down
over time. I have observed voltage of about 12.6 go down to about 11.7
where I decided to recharge the battery.
Can any one give me some diagnostic test to run?
One hopefully unrelated tale. I wired the 22,000 capacitor in with the
wrong polarity (a 50/50 deal and I got it wrong!) and I fried it the first
time I turned on the master switch. I hope this didn't get the voltage
regulator too. ????
Randy - I wanna go fly it!
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
I want to express my dismay and disgust at the EAA's Support of the Sport
pilot rule, particularly the Inspection and maintenance of "light Sport
Aircraft".If you'll remember years ago the EAA loudly expressed their disgust at
the
fact that experimental aircraft owners couldn't get a repairman certificate at
"Theater in the woods" to the then, Director of the FAA using the argument that
"If we had enough sense to build them we had enough sense to maintain them"
This time around I guess that because it was'ent the whole homebuilt
community affected by this , it was'ent worth the time and effort. I don't know
which
is more Stupid the thought of shelling out a lot of money to attend a class,
to have some A&P tell me how to maintain an airplane I built or the total
absence of forethought concerning "Fat " Ultralights
Any Idiot that can read a rule is going to see that he will be "Out" a
lot of cash by registering his plane. I think that would be great incentive to
register but, as I say again it didn't affect the homebuilding community as a
whole so I guess it was'ent worth the same consideration you would have given
this had it been. To those people just interring aviation it might be OK but to
those of us building it offers no incentive what so ever, we might as well
get our Private. The cost of the class just to repair and maintain our plane as
opposed to getting the Pvt. ticket will be about the same. So "Pat yourself on
the Back" EAA you'll be All by yourself
David P. Cecil
EAA 0626374
Sent ot EAA
KF list Do Not Archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
What are you talking about? Do what I did. It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out that the way to go is to register Experimental AB.
If it weighs less than 1320 lbs and cruises no faster than 138 MPH it
qualifies as a Sport Pland (see page 30 of the rule...the table) If your not
already a pilot, get the sport Pilot Cert and go fly your experimental WITH
your REPAIRMANS CERT (which you got without any moaning at all...just the
submission of form 8610-2!!! Yeesh! :)
Steve
PS. If your already registered with one of the orgs as a certified
Ultralight pilot you won't need to buy 20 hours of training to boot! NO
WHINING! :)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dcecil3@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Sport Pilot
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dcecil3@aol.com
>
> I want to express my dismay and disgust at the EAA's Support of the Sport
> pilot rule, particularly the Inspection and maintenance of "light Sport
> Aircraft".If you'll remember years ago the EAA loudly expressed their
disgust at the
> fact that experimental aircraft owners couldn't get a repairman
certificate at
> "Theater in the woods" to the then, Director of the FAA using the argument
that
> "If we had enough sense to build them we had enough sense to maintain
them"
> This time around I guess that because it was'ent the whole homebuilt
> community affected by this , it was'ent worth the time and effort. I don't
know which
> is more Stupid the thought of shelling out a lot of money to attend a
class,
> to have some A&P tell me how to maintain an airplane I built or the total
> absence of forethought concerning "Fat " Ultralights
> Any Idiot that can read a rule is going to see that he will be "Out" a
> lot of cash by registering his plane. I think that would be great
incentive to
> register but, as I say again it didn't affect the homebuilding community
as a
> whole so I guess it was'ent worth the same consideration you would have gi
ven
> this had it been. To those people just interring aviation it might be OK
but to
> those of us building it offers no incentive what so ever, we might as well
> get our Private. The cost of the class just to repair and maintain our
plane as
> opposed to getting the Pvt. ticket will be about the same. So "Pat
yourself on
> the Back" EAA you'll be All by yourself
> David P. Cecil
> EAA 0626374
> Sent ot EAA
> KF list Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 912S installation not charging battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon@telusplanet.net>
Randy.....
Here Goes!..... First....Check all your connection...expecially the grounds.
Its a pain going through the procedures below only to find you have a poor
connection/
#1 Disconnect your regulator/rectifier from the engine. Check the AC
voltage output from the engine. You should have between 15 and 40 V AC.. 15
at low rpm and up to 40/45 at higher rpm. There is no positive/negative on
the leads from the engine (it's alternating current).
If no voltage, it's the coil Pak on the engine. Pray for voltage!
If yes, reconnect the regulator /rectifier to the engine.
If you have voltage the problem is either the regulator/rectifier or the
battery.
#2 Disconnect the leads FROM the regulator/rectifier to the battery and
connect your voltage meter to these two leads. You will be reading Direct
Current now, so hook the leads up correctly (pos. to pos.---you know the
drill!)
You should get around 12.9V to 13.5V at low rpm and upwards of 14.0 V at
higher rpm. If you have voltage (DC) the regulator is working and your
battery is bad.
#3 Verify your battery condition with a load test... If you don;t have the
equipment any bike or snowmobile shop can do it for you.
An automotive shop is a good bet as well.
Hope this helps
Bob Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New 912S installation not charging battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
> I can make the big fan out front make wind. It just doesn't charge the
> battery.
>
>
> I have rechecked the wiring diagram a bunch of times, and if I am reading
it
> right, I have it wired correctly. ?? I am using an EIS from Grand Rapids
> Tech. The engine runs great, but I can watch the battery voltage go down
> over time. I have observed voltage of about 12.6 go down to about 11.7
> where I decided to recharge the battery.
>
> Can any one give me some diagnostic test to run?
>
> One hopefully unrelated tale. I wired the 22,000 capacitor in with the
> wrong polarity (a 50/50 deal and I got it wrong!) and I fried it the first
> time I turned on the master switch. I hope this didn't get the voltage
> regulator too. ????
>
> Randy - I wanna go fly it!
>
>
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| Subject: | List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Kurt, those were excellent points.
I would like to add that I have been wrong before and shot down, I have been
right before and shot down, I have said nothing and shot myself down. Its a
great place to help where you can and learn where you can. Hey, I even ask
questions that no one wants to even try and answer, and then I get questions
answered before I even have time to ask them. I think this is the best list
around and a great bunch of folks. We all have our moments. I was told once
that if we have to hesitate before we send out something we cant retrieve
then maybe its not the right thing to send. I truly hope I have not offended
anyone but I know I most likely have. You know some people have big egos and
cant admit a mistake or poor position. It doesn't mean the other guy is
wrong. I would be lost without the collective smarts on this list. Also big
thanks to those that keep it going.
Rick EA-81 Turbo Model 5 CAP 140 (engine back in 95 percent done and.....)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: List posting and values
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel and the List,
Michel, you wrote:
> I haven't said that, .....
> For nearly two years, this list has helped me a lot
> with my questions about the Kitfox. Now and then, I
> try to "repay" the list by writing something,.....
> Unfortunately it looks like, EACH TIME I write
> something, there is something wrong with it. As a
> result, I don't feel very motivated to post anymore
> in the future.....
> Which is most unfortunate because I
> am also the owner and moderator of two other
> internet lists (not Kitfox related) and, as such, I
> try to motivate their subscribers to not only post
> when they have a problem, but also try to help other
> members whenever possible, even if the answer is not
> always exactly complete......
> Cheers,
> Michel
Michel, You aren't the first to feel this way. Each
time any of us move from learning and asking questions
to offering help, we get challenged. Some take a lot
of "heat" for it and the more you offer, the more you
get attacked. When it happens to you personally,
especially when it is not done with good diplomacy, it
is hard to remember that this challenging is healthy.
None of us has all the right answers, and some of the
right answers are attacked more than the wrong ones.
Being right is no assurance of not being attacked.
I think it was before your time here, but a lister
that I admire very much was attacked quite hard over
his thorough testing and reporting of the failure of
the MIL spec fuel hoses SS puts in the kit. He
probably saved a few lives, if not some aircraft
damage for those of us on this list. I have met
others off the list who also have had their fuel lines
swell shut and could have avoided their personal bad
experiences if they were here and had such great help.
I consider this lister a hero, yet he felt driven
from the list for a time by the attacks.
You don't always know it when someone saves your life,
nor when you save someone elses.
We have a saying here. "The pioneers take the
arrows."
My points are:
1. That you are safer here on the list than not here.
2. The more you actually stand up for something and
try to help, the more you will be attacked for it.
3. When you push against resistance, you grow
stronger, unless you quit.
4. It is you and those like you who have the courage
to post here who help the others. Silence is
learning, but it is not "golden".
5. Where would this list or any of us in the world be
if we all were afraid to speak out?
6. It is ok to learn while teaching and we all have
to stand to be corrected from time to time.
7. You can't get knocked down, if you don't first
stand up. But if you don't stand up, you are always
down.
So stick around. Put on your flame proof suit and
proudly speak out. Expect to get burned occasionally,
but like the cyclist Lance Armstorng, keep on
trucking. You only win by going thru the pain.
You've just taken your first step from pacifist to
conservative. Once you have done that, not just your
life, but world events look different, because you
understand heros.
Now lets see who responds and how.... :-)
Kurt S.
> do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter" <valley361@centurytel.net>
What gives?????
See todays issue of Aoro News Network. Ed Downs may have left or may be
leaving SkyStar.
Jay C.
On not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Kitfox Listers,
Normally I try to stay out of the fray and let the Lists on Matronics
police themselves. I don't believe its my job to be the dad and spank
those that may or may not need it. We are all adults (most likely) here
and we should all extend the same common courtesies that we would if we
where meeting in person. That being said, however, I have included a quote
from the Kitfox-List Official Usage Guidelines that sums it up pretty well:
"Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing."
The complete List FAQ can be found at this URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
Let's keep it friendly around here. That makes it the most enjoyable
for everyone involved!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Admin.
At 09:48 AM 7/27/2004 Tuesday, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Michel and the List,
>
>Michel, you wrote:
>
> > I haven't said that, .....
>
> > For nearly two years, this list has helped me a lot
> > with my questions about the Kitfox. Now and then, I
> > try to "repay" the list by writing something,.....
>
> > Unfortunately it looks like, EACH TIME I write
> > something, there is something wrong with it. As a
> > result, I don't feel very motivated to post anymore
> > in the future.....
>
> > Which is most unfortunate because I
> > am also the owner and moderator of two other
> > internet lists (not Kitfox related) and, as such, I
> > try to motivate their subscribers to not only post
> > when they have a problem, but also try to help other
> > members whenever possible, even if the answer is not
> > always exactly complete......
>
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
>
>Michel, You aren't the first to feel this way. Each
>time any of us move from learning and asking questions
>to offering help, we get challenged. Some take a lot
>of "heat" for it and the more you offer, the more you
>get attacked. When it happens to you personally,
>especially when it is not done with good diplomacy, it
>is hard to remember that this challenging is healthy.
>None of us has all the right answers, and some of the
>right answers are attacked more than the wrong ones.
>Being right is no assurance of not being attacked.
>
>I think it was before your time here, but a lister
>that I admire very much was attacked quite hard over
>his thorough testing and reporting of the failure of
>the MIL spec fuel hoses SS puts in the kit. He
>probably saved a few lives, if not some aircraft
>damage for those of us on this list. I have met
>others off the list who also have had their fuel lines
>swell shut and could have avoided their personal bad
>experiences if they were here and had such great help.
> I consider this lister a hero, yet he felt driven
>from the list for a time by the attacks.
>
>You don't always know it when someone saves your life,
>nor when you save someone elses.
>
>We have a saying here. "The pioneers take the
>arrows."
>
>My points are:
>
>1. That you are safer here on the list than not here.
>
>2. The more you actually stand up for something and
>try to help, the more you will be attacked for it.
>
>3. When you push against resistance, you grow
>stronger, unless you quit.
>
>4. It is you and those like you who have the courage
>to post here who help the others. Silence is
>learning, but it is not "golden".
>
>5. Where would this list or any of us in the world be
>if we all were afraid to speak out?
>
>6. It is ok to learn while teaching and we all have
>to stand to be corrected from time to time.
>
>7. You can't get knocked down, if you don't first
>stand up. But if you don't stand up, you are always
>down.
>
>So stick around. Put on your flame proof suit and
>proudly speak out. Expect to get burned occasionally,
>but like the cyclist Lance Armstorng, keep on
>trucking. You only win by going thru the pain.
>
>You've just taken your first step from pacifist to
>conservative. Once you have done that, not just your
>life, but world events look different, because you
>understand heros.
>
>Now lets see who responds and how.... :-)
>
>Kurt S.
>
> > do not archive
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
Group:
Inasmuch as my name was mentioned earlier today by Michel in his posting about
withdrawing from the group, I feel that I should make a brief statement explaining
my posting of July 26 at 11:55 a.m. In his posting (message #7 of July 26),
Michel said, and I quote, "none of the tires are interchangeable. You have
to purchase the whole assembly." In retrospect, I realize he was talking
only about the wheel and tire. At the time of my posting I mistakenly assumed
he was talking about the entire $246 tailwheel assembly. In fact, one of the
other group members had told me earlier (off group) that if I wanted to use
the Homebuilder wheel I would have to purchase the entire assembly. Ted's posting,
to which I responded, made it clear to me that this was not the case. I
had no intention of putting Michel down or questioning his knowledge. I was
only trying to clarify the issue for anyone else who was laboring under the same
false impression as I. I don't think my posting was derogatory in the least,
and regret any hard feelings it may have caused. Quite frankly, I'm a little
puzzled by his response and his failure to respond to an off-group e-mail I
sent him more than 12 hours ago. The last thing in the world I want to do is
to offend anyone, and I would hate to think that I was in any way responsible
for the departure of anyone who contributes as much to the group as Michel does.
Clem Nichols
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Jay,
There is no may to it. Ed Downs is out at SS. Heard it last week.
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay &
Beverly Carter
Subject: Kitfox-List: skystar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter"
<valley361@centurytel.net>
What gives?????
See todays issue of Aoro News Network. Ed Downs may have left or may
be leaving SkyStar.
Jay
C.
On not archive.
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| Subject: | New 912S installation not charging battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Bob,
Many thanks! I now have a plan!
I will see what I can learn.
Randy - Back at it!
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Robertson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New 912S installation not charging battery
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Robertson" <aerocon@telusplanet.net>
Randy.....
Here Goes!..... First....Check all your connection...expecially the grounds.
Its a pain going through the procedures below only to find you have a poor
connection/
#1 Disconnect your regulator/rectifier from the engine. Check the AC
voltage output from the engine. You should have between 15 and 40 V AC.. 15
at low rpm and up to 40/45 at higher rpm. There is no positive/negative on
the leads from the engine (it's alternating current).
If no voltage, it's the coil Pak on the engine. Pray for voltage!
If yes, reconnect the regulator /rectifier to the engine.
If you have voltage the problem is either the regulator/rectifier or the
battery.
#2 Disconnect the leads FROM the regulator/rectifier to the battery and
connect your voltage meter to these two leads. You will be reading Direct
Current now, so hook the leads up correctly (pos. to pos.---you know the
drill!)
You should get around 12.9V to 13.5V at low rpm and upwards of 14.0 V at
higher rpm. If you have voltage (DC) the regulator is working and your
battery is bad.
#3 Verify your battery condition with a load test... If you don;t have the
equipment any bike or snowmobile shop can do it for you.
An automotive shop is a good bet as well.
Hope this helps
Bob Robertson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: New 912S installation not charging battery
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
> I can make the big fan out front make wind. It just doesn't charge the
> battery.
>
>
> I have rechecked the wiring diagram a bunch of times, and if I am reading
it
> right, I have it wired correctly. ?? I am using an EIS from Grand Rapids
> Tech. The engine runs great, but I can watch the battery voltage go down
> over time. I have observed voltage of about 12.6 go down to about 11.7
> where I decided to recharge the battery.
>
> Can any one give me some diagnostic test to run?
>
> One hopefully unrelated tale. I wired the 22,000 capacitor in with the
> wrong polarity (a 50/50 deal and I got it wrong!) and I fried it the first
> time I turned on the master switch. I hope this didn't get the voltage
> regulator too. ????
>
> Randy - I wanna go fly it!
>
>
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| Subject: | List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Clem, Rick, Steve, and et al:
Michel Verheughe is not leaving, if nothing else, because us list janitors
will not allow it. Like many of you, he is a valuable resource to the list.
I have been monitoring the conversations and do not believe it ever reached
the level of flaming. I am sorry if anyone was put off by the discussion, as
we try to intervene before it reaches the level where someone gets their
feelings hurt. Matt was entirely correct to post the list rules for all to
review.
When you disagree with someone's opinion, and we all have different
opinions, please answer in the manner that you, yourself, would like to be
addressed. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Be polite. Use
tact. You can be persuasive, but never be condescending.
OK, all involved in this discussion please take a deep breath, step back,
and follow the rules.
Rule #1 when you are posting: REREAD what you are posting BEFORE you hit the
send button.
Thank you,
Don Pearsall
Admin/Janitor
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| Subject: | Re: When did your kit ship from Skystar? That may narrow |
down the manufacturer
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Rex:
What they mean by 4" and 6" is outside diameter. 6" is same diameter, and can
replace hard rubber Matco. I have seen 4" in a Kolb and a RV-8.
Rex & Jan Shaw <rexjan@bigpond.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
When did your kit ship from Skystar? That may narrow down the manufacturer
I didn't build the plane but only bought it last November. I am sorry to be
arkward but I don't really know when it was shipped. I have a fair bit of
paperwork with it and I know construction took 12 months. Going on that my
best guess is that the Kit was shipped in '93 and completed in '94. However
I'm hoping this is not complicated by the fact the kit was a replacement.
The guy that built it originally built a MKIII but the aluminium wing tanks
split in flight and he wrecked the plane putting it down. Skystar [ or was
it Denney then ] gave him another kit as compensation but I don't know if
that was a full kit. I wonder if he might not have just needed the main
airframe and used some of the MKIII bits. So sorry I don't really know the
answer to your Question except to say there is only about 4" from the centre
of the axle to the support arm where it passes the tyre. It works out that
any replacent will need to be only about 7" in outside dia. The present
wheel is more of a rubber tyred roller.
When Aircraft spruce talk about 4" and 6" I assume that is the rim size. Is
that right ?
Thanks Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
On Tuesday 27 July 2004 18:01, Jay & Beverly Carter wrote:
I ,can find nothing on the Aero News site about Ed Downs.Where is it???
Arthur
do not archive
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter"
> <valley361@centurytel.net>
>
> What gives?????
>
> See todays issue of Aoro News Network. Ed Downs may have left or
> may be leaving SkyStar.
>
> Jay
> C. On not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 09:48 AM 7/27/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>2. The more you actually stand up for something and
>try to help, the more you will be attacked for it.
I personally wish the list were moderated more heavily. I do not enjoy
reading lists where messages are allowed to get even remotely personal. My
favorite lists are those where personal or commercial postings are
censored, keeping everybody on topic. I know some like the flame wars, but
I don't.
Guy
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Michel,
Does this mean (gulp) that I:
1. Misquoted you?
2. Told you, "Michel, you are wrong, wrong wrong for
leaving us?"
3. And now it is OK again to correct you? Ha ha!
Ah hemmm.... I mean.... I'm sorry! :>)
OK, back to topic stuff.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > So stick around.
>
> Thanks Pete, Eric and Kurt but ... who said I was
> considering leaving the list?
> Do you think I am crazy? This list is my only
> reliable source of information
> about the Kitfox and I need to learn ... a lot.
> I wrote (and I quote): "I don't feel very motivated
> to post anymore in the future."
> Which means: In the future, if someone asks a
> question, you guys do the
> answering because some people are reading between my
> lines and then I need to
> explain and it creates a lot of unnecessary treads,
> which I can't be bothered
> to follow.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
__________________________________
http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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| Subject: | Re: List posting and values |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: List posting and values
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
>
> At 09:48 AM 7/27/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >2. The more you actually stand up for something and
> >try to help, the more you will be attacked for it.
> I personally wish the list were moderated more heavily. I do not enjoy
> reading lists where messages are allowed to get even remotely personal.
If it was I wouldn't be here. I am the list Moderator for the
Ultralight_Aircraft Group...and there is little to no moderation. We feel
that when moderation starts, free thought ends. We want people to speak
their minds.
Steve Cooper
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: william mills <courierboy@earthlink.net>
See:
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=83ece717-d34f-4153-91cf-7819e0024bf3&
Bill
do not archive
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Arthur Nation <anation@w-link.net>
>
>On Tuesday 27 July 2004 18:01, Jay & Beverly Carter wrote:
>
>I ,can find nothing on the Aero News site about Ed Downs.Where is it???
>Arthur
>
>do not archive
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay & Beverly Carter"
>> <valley361@centurytel.net>
>>
>> What gives?????
>>
>> See todays issue of Aoro News Network. Ed Downs may have left or
>> may be leaving SkyStar.
>>
>> Jay
>> C. On not archive.
>>
>>
>
>
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