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1. 02:08 AM - traveling in new york state (broschart)
2. 08:13 AM - NSI firewall crank oil seal (Fox5flyer)
3. 09:28 AM - Re: NSI firewall crank oil seal (kurt schrader)
4. 09:49 AM - W/B question (Howard Firm)
5. 10:42 AM - Re: W/B question (kurt schrader)
6. 11:58 AM - Re: NSI firewall crank oil seal (Fox5flyer)
7. 01:28 PM - Re: W/B question (Fox5flyer)
8. 05:44 PM - Re: skystar (John E. King)
9. 05:49 PM - NSI oil seal replacement update (Fox5flyer)
10. 06:37 PM - Re: skystar ()
11. 07:52 PM - Rotax Engine Exchange (Rex & Jan Shaw)
12. 08:33 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Lowell Fitt)
13. 08:35 PM - Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth (Lowell Fitt)
14. 08:36 PM - Re: Oshkosh anybody? (Allan Aaron)
15. 08:50 PM - Re: Ground Loop (Guy Buchanan)
16. 09:18 PM - Re: skystar (Bruce Harrington)
17. 11:50 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | traveling in new york state |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i thought this might be of intrest to some one , so am passing it along
Have a good day - Charlie
"Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director" wrote:
> Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/kdTolB/TM
>
> From NRA:
>
> The District Attorney in Albany County and Queens 18 months ago issued an
> order to arrest anyone coming through the airports with a handgun in their
> luggage, regardless if the handgun was being transported properly by FAA
> regulations. The criteria is if you do not have a NY license, you are
> charged. So what's happening is 2 different scenarios:
>
> 1. People are flying into New York from other states, most but not all of
> whom have carry permits from their home states, and are carrying a
> pistol. When they go to fly home, they declare the gun, which has always
> been unloaded and locked up properly in their checked luggage, but if they
> cannot produce a NY license, they are promptly charged with illegal weapon
> possession, and their gun confiscated forever. (The Albany airport sheriff
> has been doing it as a lower class misdemeanor, the LaGuardia cases were
> charged as a felony.) As their home state permit is not reciprocal, and
> they were in NY state for an amount of time carrying a handgun, this group
> is screwed.
>
> 2. People are DRIVING to the airport from another state where the NY
> airport is their closest one to fly out of, and are getting popped right
> off the bat an hour or two from their home. In these cases, we are going
> to war for them being covered by FOPA, even the Sheriff's office and TSA in
> Albany have argued over that with the DA, but he won't budge. He did,
> however, blink on the two cases from Albany, with the people getting a
> walk. Didn't get their guns back, though, either time.
>
> Bottom line, UNLESS you are in possession of a VALID New York pistol
> license, DO NOT bring a handgun in your luggage to the airport, you will be
> charged.
>
> This is not being done in any other state in the country except at Logan
> international in Boston, (same thing there) but even at O'Hare in Illinois,
> if you come in from another state and meet FAA guidelines, they feel you
> are covered by FOPA and off you go a happy camper.
>
> Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director
> New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
> http://www.nysrpa.org
> http://www.rpa-pac.org
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI firewall crank oil seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I just returned from the Mecca after a great week with nearly perfect
weather. Every year that place gets better, including the facilities at
camp Scholler. I finally found the Skystar display. It wasn't much, but
considering their financial situation I was surprised to see them there at
all. The airshow gets better every year, and as has been in the past couple
years, Jimmy Franklin in his "jet" Waco was the most exciting of the bunch
(IMHO). The Bulldog was a close second with Patty Wagstaff and her usual
greatness also putting on a beautiful show. Lowell, I tried to look you up,
but never did find the Homebuilt Camping area and nobody I talked to could
tell me where it was.
Anyway, I've had a chance to get a good look at my oil seal problem and it
appears it has definitely popped about half way out. The good news is that
it also appears that if I remove the oil tank it should be accessible enough
to replace the seal without removing the engine. The new seal hasn't yet
arrived, but I plan to start tear down this afternoon to get a head start.
I'll post an update when there's something new. Thanks to Rick, Peter, and
others for their helpful advice.
Darrel
S5/NSI/CAP
NE Michigan
72, thin ovc, light breeze
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| Subject: | Re: NSI firewall crank oil seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Good news Darrel. Glad it is a simpler fix than you
thought.
Did you see or hear about a KitFox breaking a tail
wheel or spring while you were there? A friend just
got back yesterday and said that they had to close the
runway for a bit while he cleared the runway the hard
way. Didn't know who it was. I am not sure that my
friend was right about it being a KF either. He is a
mechanic, but not a homebuilder and some people get
homebuilts confused.
Kurt S.
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> I just returned from the Mecca after a great week
> with nearly perfect
> weather. Every year that place gets better,
> including the facilities at
> camp Scholler. I finally found the Skystar display.
> It wasn't much, but
> considering their financial situation I was
> surprised to see them there at
> all. The airshow gets better every year, and as has
> been in the past couple
> years, Jimmy Franklin in his "jet" Waco was the most
> exciting of the bunch
> (IMHO). The Bulldog was a close second with Patty
> Wagstaff and her usual
> greatness also putting on a beautiful show. Lowell,
> I tried to look you up,
> but never did find the Homebuilt Camping area and
> nobody I talked to could
> tell me where it was.
>
> Anyway, I've had a chance to get a good look at my
> oil seal problem and it
> appears it has definitely popped about half way out.
> The good news is that
> it also appears that if I remove the oil tank it
> should be accessible enough
> to replace the seal without removing the engine.
> The new seal hasn't yet
> arrived, but I plan to start tear down this
> afternoon to get a head start.
> I'll post an update when there's something new.
> Thanks to Rick, Peter, and
> others for their helpful advice.
>
> Darrel
> S5/NSI/CAP
> NE Michigan
> 72, thin ovc, light breeze
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
I'm doing my W/B next weekend and needed to know what the 1 degree swept
wings does to the calculations. Does the Datum change? Does the C-G envelope
change? Maybe Kurt, you could post your numbers for a reference as we are
very similar.
Also, users with LP bubble doors, do you know of any vents that can be
installed on the slightly curved surface? My cabin is very sealed and I see
I'm going to need air coming in...
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Re: W/B question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Sure thing Howard,
I'll try to keep my info columns aligned for ya'.
Sorry if they get skewed... :-)
The wing sweep moves the center of lift, but not the
cg limits, fwd. (Note: The wing weight moves fwd
too, darn.) You still use the wing root leading edge
for the datum. Sweep hardly affects it.
The CG limits that I applied were:
Most fwd = 9.96 Most aft = 14.75
My version of "level" gave me:
WT point WT ARM MOMENT
Rt main 440 -1 7/8 -825
Lft main 435 -1 7/8 -815.625
Tail wl (Maule 56 163.45 9170.0
w/steel springs)
total 931 7529.375
Empty CG = 8.087
This kept me at the front of the CG range solo and
w/little gas, but gives me max cargo capability. You
may like a more aft cg on yours, so don't treat my
outcome as anything but my preference.
Doors: I don't have the bubble doors, but I think
that you can still use those clear snap vents on the
front, less curved part of your doors. You have to
put them high enough above your side cowl exhaust to
prevent cowl air coming in during climbs, etc. Maybe
above the center cross member would do it?
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
> I'm doing my W/B next weekend and needed to know
> what the 1 degree swept wings does to the
> calculations. Does the Datum change?
> Does the C-G envelope change?
> Maybe Kurt, you could post your numbers for
> a reference as we are very similar.
>
> Also, users with LP bubble doors, do you know of any
> vents that can be
> installed on the slightly curved surface? My cabin
> is very sealed and I see
> I'm going to need air coming in...
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | Re: NSI firewall crank oil seal |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Nope, didn't hear anything about it Kurt. Might have happened after I left
on Friday morning though. Not many Foxes there that I could find. Didn't
seem to be an area set aside for them. I did manage to find 3 of them lined
up, but none were list people. At least they wouldn't admit to it. :-)
There was an airplane in the ultra light area called the Euro Fox. Looked
to me like a Vixen IV that had a few minor changes made to it. Couldn't
find anybody there who would talk about it though.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
> Good news Darrel. Glad it is a simpler fix than you
> thought.
>
> Did you see or hear about a KitFox breaking a tail
> wheel or spring while you were there? A friend just
> got back yesterday and said that they had to close the
> runway for a bit while he cleared the runway the hard
> way. Didn't know who it was. I am not sure that my
> friend was right about it being a KF either. He is a
> mechanic, but not a homebuilder and some people get
> homebuilts confused.
>
> Kurt S.
>
> --- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
>
> > I just returned from the Mecca after a great week
> > with nearly perfect
> > weather. Every year that place gets better,
> > including the facilities at
> > camp Scholler. I finally found the Skystar display.
> > It wasn't much, but
> > considering their financial situation I was
> > surprised to see them there at
> > all. The airshow gets better every year, and as has
> > been in the past couple
> > years, Jimmy Franklin in his "jet" Waco was the most
> > exciting of the bunch
> > (IMHO). The Bulldog was a close second with Patty
> > Wagstaff and her usual
> > greatness also putting on a beautiful show. Lowell,
> > I tried to look you up,
> > but never did find the Homebuilt Camping area and
> > nobody I talked to could
> > tell me where it was.
> >
> > Anyway, I've had a chance to get a good look at my
> > oil seal problem and it
> > appears it has definitely popped about half way out.
> > The good news is that
> > it also appears that if I remove the oil tank it
> > should be accessible enough
> > to replace the seal without removing the engine.
> > The new seal hasn't yet
> > arrived, but I plan to start tear down this
> > afternoon to get a head start.
> > I'll post an update when there's something new.
> > Thanks to Rick, Peter, and
> > others for their helpful advice.
> >
> > Darrel
> > S5/NSI/CAP
> > NE Michigan
> > 72, thin ovc, light breeze
>
>
> __________________________________
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>
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| Subject: | Re: W/B question |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Howard, I used the Vista Vents on my bubble doors. I placed them near the
leading edge just below face height. That was the only flat spot I could
use, but it was good spot and they work well. Available in Spruce catalog.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: W/B question
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
>
> I'm doing my W/B next weekend and needed to know what the 1 degree swept
> wings does to the calculations. Does the Datum change? Does the C-G
envelope
> change? Maybe Kurt, you could post your numbers for a reference as we are
> very similar.
>
> Also, users with LP bubble doors, do you know of any vents that can be
> installed on the slightly curved surface? My cabin is very sealed and I
see
> I'm going to need air coming in...
>
> Howard Firm
> 508 12th St. South
> Virginia MN 55792
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Bruce,
I just got back from Oshkosh and when I asked for Ed they said he was
replaced by Frank Miller. I have his new business card and his title is
President/CEO. I always liked Frank and he has always been very
straight forward in answering my questions.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Bruce Harrington wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
>Wonder who's replacing Ed. John McBean?
>bh
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | NSI oil seal replacement update |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I'm having trouble removing the bolt that holds the rear pulley to the
crankshaft on my NSI so I can change the seal. That puppy is tight!
Anybody have any tricks? Do I need to just get a bigger cheater bar? I
don't have room for pneumatic impact and I'm paranoid about breaking
something.
Also, when I reinstall the bolt, what is the torque spec for it?
Thanks,
Darrel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <brettandsandy@numail.org>
I agree.
Frank has treated me right more than once.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John E. King
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: skystar
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John E. King " <kingjohn@erols.com>
Bruce,
I just got back from Oshkosh and when I asked for Ed they said he was
replaced by Frank Miller. I have his new business card and his title is
President/CEO. I always liked Frank and he has always been very
straight forward in answering my questions.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Bruce Harrington wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
>Wonder who's replacing Ed. John McBean?
>bh
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax Engine Exchange |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I wonder if anyone can clarify the situation with this Rotax engine exchange
program please.
The way I read it Rotax have lowered the price for the purpose of this
program from the retail price to the sale price. They are then offering a
trade-in price that matches the sale price therefore all one has to pay is
the freight.
However my friend is sure that one will also have to pay the difference
between the sale or trade-in price and the retail price.
Does anyone know which of us is correct or care to comment.
My friend feels he is right because it states the customer will pay the sale
price plus the freight price. I admit this is confusing but consider it just
a technical wording.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh anybody? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Darrel,
We left for Oshkosh one day before your e-mail post. We camped in General
Aviation Camping to be closer to town and the more reasonable eating. We
were fortunate enough to be on the same row as the showers.
Home now after putting 46 hours on the old KF. Got in about 3:00 pm local
time. Had a great time, but rushed out as I have to be in Orlando Thursday
for a son's wedding and didn't know how the weather gods would look at us on
our way home. Actually took only three days, though. We went in as a
flight of eight - all from the West Coast..
Sorry I missed you and some of the others.
Lowell
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Lowell, how do I find you in the homebuilt area. Will you be camped with
> your Fox? White? I'm outta here first thing in the morning.
> Darrel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > Darrel,
> >
> > I know of four that will be hooking up in the Denver area that plan on
> > being there Sunday through Tuesday. Our group will be leaving the
> > Sacramento area of Northern California Tomorrow morning to hook up with
> > another at Afton Wyoming in the evening. Our group will consist of 4 or
5
> > Kitfoxes - all Model IVs and two Rans - one a Coyote and the other a
> > Courier. Plans call for a Sunday evening arrival. Current plans call
for
> a
> > Friday departure. We will be camping in the home built area.
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >
> > > Even though I've got way to much on my plate I've finally made a
> decision
> > to
> > > drop everything and go to Oshkosh this year and I'll be staying in
Camp
> > > Scholler registered in the camp locator as Darrel Morisse. Anyway
some
> of
> > > us can meet up somewhere for some face time? Somewhere on the
property
> or
> > > maybe the Acey Ducey bar (sp?)? It'd be a shame for all of us to be
> there
> > > and not make some sort of contact. Also, if you're staying in camp
> > > scholler, drop the list a quick line and I'll do my best to look you
up.
> > > Make sure you register in the camp locator or we can't find you. I'll
> be
> > > arriving Sunday evening and leaving Friday morning. Hope to see some
of
> > > you.
> > > Darrel
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Just got back form Oshkosh and have been working my way through a bunch of
stacked up e-mails. I didn't want to add to this thread until I found no
one else had come up with this info, but this this is the info from the ACS
catalogue:
The Home builder Special tail wheel has two versions, the single fork and
the double fork.
The double fork wheel weighs what the Maule wheel weighs and the single fork
wheel is one pound lighter - six pounds and five pounds respectively.
The rubber is of the same consistency as the rubber on roller blades - it
gives a rather nicer ride than the maule. The pivot is better constructed
and it is, all in all, a better made wheel - in my opinion and others I have
spoken to.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its worth
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> You're right Clem. The homebuilder wheel/tire fits
> the Maule great and is softer. I'd definately try it
> before going all the way with the pneumatic maule
> tailwheel because it's quite a bit larger, heavier,
> and a lot more costly! $26 is a pretty good deal...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ted
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Clem Nichols" <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its
> worth
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clem Nichols"
> <cnichols@scrtc.com>
> >
> >Michel:
> >
> >From this message it would seem that your
> interpretation of having to
> >replace the entire tailwheel assembly in order to
> use the Homebuilder's tire
> >is incorrect. I had been given the same impression
> by another group member.
> >Do not archive
> >
> >Clem Nichols
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>; <kitfox-
> list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what
> its worth
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier"
> <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
> >>
> >> I just installed the homebuilder tailwheel on my
> >> Maule assy yesterday. Works like a charm. The
> Maule
> >> bearings are 1/2" ID while the homebuilder is 5/8"
> >> ID. Short piece of 5/8" (1/16" wall) steel tube
> made
> >> a perfect bushing. Then a 1/2" flat washer under
> the
> >> nut. 20 minute job max.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Ted
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Original Message ---
> >> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tailwheels WAS For what its
> >> worth
> >>
> >> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel
> Verheughe
> >> <michel@online.no>
> >> >
> >> >> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
> >> >> A rough measurement is only about 4" from the
> >> centre of the axle to the
> >> >> support bracket
> >> >
> >> >From that info, I think you have the Homebuilder
> >> Special, Rex. Reading Aircraft Spruce web pages, I
> >> figured out this:
> >> >1) Homebuilder Special 4" weight: ? tyre:
> soft
> >> rubber
> >> >2) Homebulder Special 6" weight: 4.5 lbs tyre:
> soft
> >> rubber
> >> >3) Maule 6" Weight: 6 lbs. tyre: hard rubber
> >> >4) Maule 8" Weight: 7 lbs. tyre: pneumatic
> >> >
> >> >Like you, I wish to change to a pneumatic tyre for
> >> less noise on asphalt and ... less ground loop is
> >> cool too! :-)
> >> >But, as far as I know, none of the above tyres are
> >> interchangeable, you have to purchase the whole
> >> assembly.
> >> >
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| Subject: | Oshkosh anybody? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Aaron" <aaaron@tvp.com.au>
Lowell
Are you planning to do a write up of your trip - route, learnings, etc?
Would be great to see it.
Allan
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Oshkosh anybody?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Darrel,
We left for Oshkosh one day before your e-mail post. We camped in
General Aviation Camping to be closer to town and the more reasonable
eating. We were fortunate enough to be on the same row as the showers.
Home now after putting 46 hours on the old KF. Got in about 3:00 pm
local time. Had a great time, but rushed out as I have to be in Orlando
Thursday for a son's wedding and didn't know how the weather gods would
look at us on our way home. Actually took only three days, though. We
went in as a flight of eight - all from the West Coast..
Sorry I missed you and some of the others.
Lowell
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Is is yours? If so, well done!
At 10:10 PM 7/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net
>
> TAILDRAGGER
> EASY, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
>
>Taildragger, I hate your guts,
>I have the license, ratings and such.
>But to make you go straight is driving me nuts.
>With hours of teaching and the controls in my clutch.
>It takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
>
>You see, I learned to fly in a tricycle gear
>with one up front and two in the rear.
>She was sleek and clean and easy to steer.
>But this miserable thing with tires and struts.
>Takes a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
>
>It demands your attention on the take-off roll.
>Or it'll head towards Jones's as you pour on the coal.
>Gotta hang loose, don't over control.
>
>This wicked little plane is just too much.
>With a lot of zigzagging and words obscene
>I think I've mastered this slippery machine.
>It's not that bad if you have the touch.
>Just a little rudder, easy, that's too much.
>
>I relax for a second and from the corner of my eye,
>I suddenly realize with a gasp and a cry.
>That's my own tail that's going by.
>You ground looping wreck; I hate your guts,
>Give a little rudder, Great Scott,
>
> EASY, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi John,
Thanks for the feedback!
bh
> Bruce,
>
> I just got back from Oshkosh and when I asked for Ed they said he was
> replaced by Frank Miller. I have his new business card and his title is
> President/CEO. I always liked Frank and he has always been very
> straight forward in answering my questions.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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