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1. 04:03 AM - Spark Plugs -cross reference chart (Fox5flyer)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: Fred Howes (Clifford Begnaud)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (Lowell Fitt)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: Sportpilot Insurance (Lowell Fitt)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Can anyone please tell me what size wheel and tire were provided with the Model (Lowell Fitt)
6. 07:09 AM - Re: Fred Howes (Lowell Fitt)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Sportpilot Insurance (Mark Schindler)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Spark Plugs -cross reference chart (Rick)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Fred Howes (jdmcbean)
10. 09:03 AM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (Dennis Golden)
11. 09:26 AM - Re: Spark Plugs -cross reference chart (Fox5flyer)
12. 10:04 AM - Re: Bulging header tank (Allan Arthur)
13. 10:19 AM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (jdmcbean)
14. 10:44 AM - Spark plugs (Scott McClintock)
15. 10:56 AM - Spark plugs (Scott McClintock)
16. 02:21 PM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (Grant Fluent)
17. 02:24 PM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (Grant Fluent)
18. 03:44 PM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (John Oakley)
19. 04:29 PM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (Steve Cooper)
20. 05:25 PM - Re: Preflight checklist (Allan Arthur)
21. 05:57 PM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (jdmcbean)
22. 06:21 PM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (Grant Fluent)
23. 06:32 PM - Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? (gary)
24. 09:59 PM - Re: Fuel valve, was Bulging header tank (kurt schrader)
25. 11:54 PM - SV: Fred Howes (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Spark Plugs -cross reference chart |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Scott, do you (or anyone else) know of a website or other source that gives
a cross reference chart of the various plugs? It's easy to find Champions,
AC, Autolite, etc., but if I want the Bosch platinum tip replacement heat
range of a B7ES I'm finding it impossible to find which one I need.
Thanks,
Darrel
> The ND plug is W24-ESRU which is a resistor type plug. ND makes the same
> plug with a platinum tip, (in the blue box) still W24- which is the heat
> range number (24) but can't remember the rest but is easily
> I.E."HOT" NGK B-7 = ND W22 -- "COOL"NGK B-9 = ND W27. The B8-ES (W24
> ESU) is a common two stroke spark plug used in a lot of two stroke
> applications.
> You can use W22 thru W27 for your engine to fine tune after jetting. Be
> careful not to go too hot as you can melt a nice little hole in the top
> of your pistons. You can get these at most snow machine shops or thru an
> auto parts store.
>
> Scott in Nome
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
This is sad news. Fred was great guy. I only knew him from the Kitfox Canyon
Adventure in 1999 where we traveled together and shared motel rooms. He was
a fine gentleman that I wish I had the opportunity to know better. He left a
lasting impression and I think of him often. He will indeed be missed.
Here is a link with a picture of Fred with his plane at Grand Canyon
Airport: http://home.earthlink.net/~barefootpilot/barefootblog/id1.html
Bon Voyage, Fred!
Cliff
>
> It is with great sadness that I inform the list of the passing of Fred
Howes. Fred was a great adventurer, builder, pilot and wonderful friend.
His family and friends here in Texas will miss him.
>
> Please remember Fred's family in your prayers.
>
> Jimmie
>
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I just read my post and after thinking about it for a bit - he pitched it
that in level flight, the max RPM was "redline".
Sorry for the initial misinformation.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> Grant, I think what you have heard is true. Two of our group changed to
> the PowerFin. One went back to his GSC and the other stayed with the
> Powerfin. Both had the blades shortened for reasons I don't fully
> understand. The positives on the PowerFin are a much easier pitch change
> process a lighter prop and very smooth running. Mark finally pitched his
> prop to get maximum RPM at cruise. In other words he increased pitch
until
> full throttle gave him Max RPM in level flight. That is where he found
the
> best combination climb / cruise. In his long wing Model IV he could out
> climb all of us, but would lag in cruise. He sold the long wing and is
now
> flying a Speedster. His cruise speed has picked up considerably but has
> suffered a bit in climb. I think I can now out climb him, but this is on
> our way to Oshkosh and we were pretty heavily loaded. My personal theory
on
> the cruise thing is that the prop has a rather wide chord especially at
the
> hub with a ton of pitch. I theorize that the round cowl blankets a lot of
> the thrust in this area leaving the tips to do most of the work.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello All,
> > It's time for me to buy a prop and I would like know
> > which would work better for the Classic IV with a 912S
> > - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> > I have been searching the archives and found where
> > the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the tapered tip
> > Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> > I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh. Their
> > show special was free nickel leading edge protection
> > ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still cost me
> > about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website, their's
> > appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want to make
> > sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> > Thanks!
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sportpilot Insurance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Steve, I can't imagine anyone flying a airplane not having some assets.
Frankly, I suspect that the homeowners insurance company will assemble their
legal staff and go after the pilot or the pilot's heirs to minimize their
loss. I have heard the no insurance argument a lot in my profession - not
carrying dental malpractice insurance. If you are ever sued - a rather
inexpensive initial process, you will need a lawyer to represent you - now
getting costly, unless you intend to just ignore the suit in which case the
marshal will just move you away from any and all assets you have accumulated
in your life in order to have a giant flea market. To go without at least
liability insurance is foolishness, especially in an airplane. Flying home
made contraptions and damaging your neighbors property and possibly their
persons is not going to set well with most of the non flying public and a
lot of the flying public.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> Only if he's a richie...and if that's the case, then I'm sure he was
> paranoid and got all the insurance any one person can have...full up. And
> that being the case...let the litigation begin...
> Too bad for the wife...but isn't that the chance each and every one of us
> takes when we go up. He took his chances and sadly, he lost. Ya, if he was
a
> rich'in, I'm certain that everyone involved is slather'in at the prospects
> of a big piece of pie Lowell.
> Now, on the other hand, If it was me...the lawyers would be standing
around
> muttering, "but...but...but." and the homeowner would be calling his
> insurance agent. You know...the way it used to be in this country. ;)
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > Back from the wedding -
> >
> > The Rotorway exec that went down three weeks ago in Cameron Park did
> > $400,000 damage on a house it landed on. Question, would that put a
> > bullseye on the pilots back if he didn't have insurance? Or more
> > accurately stated, would it put a bullseye on the widow's back if the
> pilot
> > had no insurance?
> >
> > Agreed- to each his own, but.....
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
> <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > You don't need insurance to fly your Kitfox. (Don't put a bullseye on
> your
> > > back for the lawyers!)
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > <jablackwell@ev1.net>
> > > >
> > > > I am planning on flying my Kitfox under the Sportpilot ruling.
> However,
> > I
> > > have not been able to get anyone to give me an insurance quote.
Anyone
> > else
> > > looked into this and if so did you get any company to give you a
quote?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Can anyone please tell me what size wheel and tire were |
provided with the Model
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Rex, Out group loves the 9" tires and are assembling a small reserve supply
of the wheels - which are no longer available. If you do decide to switch,
let the list know what you would like for the wheels.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Can anyone please tell me what size wheel and tire
were provided with the Model
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
> Can anyone please tell me what size wheel and tire were provided with the
> Model
> IV kits. My plane is presently equipped with tundra tires (22x 8.0-8),
>
> I bought my Kitfox MKIV Classic Speedster already built also, and yes it
did
> come with those huge tyres. I changed them due to getting prickle
punctures
> on grass strips. However the tyres I have put on look considerably smaller
> although you could go back even smaller to 6" rims I think it might be
> better to just do what I have although for a different reason to you. I
have
> put on what is basically lawnmower tyres. They are 16" x 6.50" x 8". They
> are 4 ply instead of 2 and have a very mild tread. I also put tubes in
them.
> I am very happy with them for my situation and they would offer some drag
> reduction although we didn't notice any. But even with only a 582 I don't
> see a problem. Incidentally the new tyres look a whole lot better and only
> cost $63AU each plus tubes at $13 each I think it was. We have increased
> pressure slightly. Look up the Skystar site www.skystar.com and you'll
find
> replacement 6" wheels and brakes but you are looking at around $600US.
>
> Rex
>
> Australia.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jimmie, thanks for the update, Fred was one of the real pioneers. I met
him several years ago at the Skystar Fly-in - condolences to his family and
numerous friends.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fred Howes
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
<jablackwell@ev1.net>
>
> It is with great sadness that I inform the list of the passing of Fred
Howes. Fred was a great adventurer, builder, pilot and wonderful friend.
His family and friends here in Texas will miss him.
>
> Please remember Fred's family in your prayers.
>
> Jimmie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sportpilot Insurance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mark Schindler <mtschindler@yahoo.com>
Lowell
There are two options for most people - either you are self insured - or you buy
insurance. To be self insured you have to have enough assets to be able to cover
the damage . The approach - I damaged your house or person - so what? - what
are you going to do about it? - shows total lack of respect for others and
is not an option for most.
Mark
Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
Steve, I can't imagine anyone flying a airplane not having some assets.
Frankly, I suspect that the homeowners insurance company will assemble their
legal staff and go after the pilot or the pilot's heirs to minimize their
loss. I have heard the no insurance argument a lot in my profession - not
carrying dental malpractice insurance. If you are ever sued - a rather
inexpensive initial process, you will need a lawyer to represent you - now
getting costly, unless you intend to just ignore the suit in which case the
marshal will just move you away from any and all assets you have accumulated
in your life in order to have a giant flea market. To go without at least
liability insurance is foolishness, especially in an airplane. Flying home
made contraptions and damaging your neighbors property and possibly their
persons is not going to set well with most of the non flying public and a
lot of the flying public.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> Only if he's a richie...and if that's the case, then I'm sure he was
> paranoid and got all the insurance any one person can have...full up. And
> that being the case...let the litigation begin...
> Too bad for the wife...but isn't that the chance each and every one of us
> takes when we go up. He took his chances and sadly, he lost. Ya, if he was
a
> rich'in, I'm certain that everyone involved is slather'in at the prospects
> of a big piece of pie Lowell.
> Now, on the other hand, If it was me...the lawyers would be standing
around
> muttering, "but...but...but." and the homeowner would be calling his
> insurance agent. You know...the way it used to be in this country. ;)
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> >
> > Back from the wedding -
> >
> > The Rotorway exec that went down three weeks ago in Cameron Park did
> > $400,000 damage on a house it landed on. Question, would that put a
> > bullseye on the pilots back if he didn't have insurance? Or more
> > accurately stated, would it put a bullseye on the widow's back if the
> pilot
> > had no insurance?
> >
> > Agreed- to each his own, but.....
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Cooper"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
>
> > >
> > > You don't need insurance to fly your Kitfox. (Don't put a bullseye on
> your
> > > back for the lawyers!)
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Sportpilot Insurance
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am planning on flying my Kitfox under the Sportpilot ruling.
> However,
> > I
> > > have not been able to get anyone to give me an insurance quote.
Anyone
> > else
> > > looked into this and if so did you get any company to give you a
quote?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Spark Plugs -cross reference chart |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Have to tell ya, I went to the trouble and expense of even getting the
Iridium plugs. I have used the platinum. Bosh doesn't recommended the plus
4S for turbo setups. The results for me were that the regular BR7ES plugs
for the turbo EA-81 works very well. I could tell no difference and never
had one fail. The best solution I found for plug maintenance is to run as
lean as possible after touch down and replace the plugs every 100 hrs when
using 100LL, a big 1.79 each investment. Even with the high energy dual
ignition system the electrode wear was negligible. If anyone is experiencing
missing I would really look at how rich they are on the ground. It doesn't
take long to foul them out.
Rick (new engine in 95% done 95 to go)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spark Plugs -cross reference chart
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Scott, do you (or anyone else) know of a website or other source that gives
a cross reference chart of the various plugs? It's easy to find Champions,
AC, Autolite, etc., but if I want the Bosch platinum tip replacement heat
range of a B7ES I'm finding it impossible to find which one I need.
Thanks,
Darrel
> The ND plug is W24-ESRU which is a resistor type plug. ND makes the same
> plug with a platinum tip, (in the blue box) still W24- which is the heat
> range number (24) but can't remember the rest but is easily
> I.E."HOT" NGK B-7 = ND W22 -- "COOL"NGK B-9 = ND W27. The B8-ES (W24
> ESU) is a common two stroke spark plug used in a lot of two stroke
> applications.
> You can use W22 thru W27 for your engine to fine tune after jetting. Be
> careful not to go too hot as you can melt a nice little hole in the top
> of your pistons. You can get these at most snow machine shops or thru an
> auto parts store.
>
> Scott in Nome
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Please pass on our prayers to his family.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie Blackwell
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fred Howes
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
It is with great sadness that I inform the list of the passing of Fred
Howes. Fred was a great adventurer, builder, pilot and wonderful friend.
His family and friends here in Texas will miss him.
Please remember Fred's family in your prayers.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dennis Golden <dgolden@golden-consulting.com>
jdmcbean wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Grant,
> Personally I like the IVO in-flight adjustable... but it will not fall
> under the LSA rule. Otherwise I would most likely go with the Warp. I have
> not flown behind the Powerfin. I have heard mixed reports from those that
> have.
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
I've heard some pretty good report on the Airmaster also, althogh I
haven't gotten a price yet.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello All,
> It's time for me to buy a prop and I would like know
> which would work better for the Classic IV with a 912S
> - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> I have been searching the archives and found where
> the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the tapered tip
> Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh. Their
> show special was free nickel leading edge protection
> ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still cost me
> about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website, their's
> appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want to make
> sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> Thanks!
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
Regards,
Dennis
--
Dennis Golden
Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: Spark Plugs -cross reference chart |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Thanks Rick. I did a little surfing and found a trend that leans away from
the NGK and toward the ND units. We probably don't notice much difference,
but the folks with the dynos can definitely measure it. I was curious if
anyone had actually done any real time experimenting with the different
types and if they found any gains or losses. Last year I had an NGK go bad
(misfired under heavy load), but I think that was because I used my spark
plug sand blaster to clean them and probably cracked an insulator. Now I
don't clean them at all, I just buy replacements for less than $10 a set
(B7ES). I also don't use the resistor type because I don't have any noise
problems.
Does the split fire, platinum, or iridium produce enough extra benefit to
justify the extra expense? Dunno, but even if there's a small verified
improvement I'd probably spend the extra money. The increased longevity
might wash some of the extra expense.
Darrel
> Have to tell ya, I went to the trouble and expense of even getting the
> Iridium plugs. I have used the platinum. Bosh doesn't recommended the plus
> 4S for turbo setups. The results for me were that the regular BR7ES plugs
> for the turbo EA-81 works very well. I could tell no difference and never
> had one fail. The best solution I found for plug maintenance is to run as
> lean as possible after touch down and replace the plugs every 100 hrs when
> using 100LL, a big 1.79 each investment. Even with the high energy dual
> ignition system the electrode wear was negligible. If anyone is
experiencing
> missing I would really look at how rich they are on the ground. It doesn't
> take long to foul them out.
>
> Rick (new engine in 95% done 95 to go)
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| Subject: | Re: Bulging header tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Arthur" <alnan@earthlink.net>
Hi Darrel,
I just replaced my fuel valve with the Skystar retrofit kit. The valve
looks a bit more robust than the original. The original froze up once
and I took it apart and reworked it (it had some brass chips in it)
and it recently became very hard to turn so I gave up and replaced it.
The replacement valve is a bitch to install. I had to build a bracket
to capture it from turning since it doesen't mount like the original.
Since I had the seat out I checked my header tank (after reading your
message) and found that my tank is bulged in the back also!
The tank seems good and solid, so I plan to stay with it and keep an
eye on at when I do my yearly inspection and maintenance.
Allan Arthur
N40AA Series 5 Taildragger (140 hours)
912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade prop
Martinez, CA (Byron Airport, Hanger C8)
----------
>From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Bulging header tank
>Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2004, 8:10 AM
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> While replacing my fuel valve I had the seat assembly out of the airplane
> and I noticed that the plastic header tank is bulging out in the back side.
> This side is normally flat and where it butts up against the inverted V
> support tubes it's bulging as much as 3/4". This is has me concerned and
> I'd like to replace the tank with a new one. Anybody else have this
> problem? Anybody have good one to unload? Better yet, I recall that
> someone was producing aluminum replacements. Any available?
> Thanks,
> Darrel
> S5 Outback
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| Subject: | Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Yes... The Airmaster is being used by a few here in Idaho and they have been
very pleased with it. However, it is also currently approaching about
$5000.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Golden
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dennis Golden
<dgolden@golden-consulting.com>
jdmcbean wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Grant,
> Personally I like the IVO in-flight adjustable... but it will not
fall
> under the LSA rule. Otherwise I would most likely go with the Warp. I
have
> not flown behind the Powerfin. I have heard mixed reports from those that
> have.
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
I've heard some pretty good report on the Airmaster also, althogh I
haven't gotten a price yet.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello All,
> It's time for me to buy a prop and I would like know
> which would work better for the Classic IV with a 912S
> - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> I have been searching the archives and found where
> the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the tapered tip
> Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh. Their
> show special was free nickel leading edge protection
> ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still cost me
> about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website, their's
> appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want to make
> sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> Thanks!
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
Regards,
Dennis
--
Dennis Golden
Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
I found several x-reference charts on the web. You shouldn't have any
problems finding one.
Here is a great tech note (link) that explains the ins & outs of spark
plugs for those interested.
http://www.corollaperformance.com/TechInfo/sparkplugs.html
Probably more than you really wanted to know but then that's the beauty
of our "information age".
Scott in Nome
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
I found several x-reference charts on the web. You shouldn't have any
problems finding one.
Here is a great tech note (link) that explains the ins & outs of spark
plugs for those interested.
http://www.corollaperformance.com/TechInfo/sparkplugs.html
Probably more than you really wanted to know but then that's the beauty
of our "information age".
Scott in Nome
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the info Lowell. So far it looks like the
Warp Drive would be what I would want. I plan on
adding fairings to everything after it's flying and
would like as high of a cruise speed as I can get.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> I just read my post and after thinking about it for
> a bit - he pitched it
> that in level flight, the max RPM was "redline".
>
> Sorry for the initial misinformation.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > Grant, I think what you have heard is true. Two
> of our group changed to
> > the PowerFin. One went back to his GSC and the
> other stayed with the
> > Powerfin. Both had the blades shortened for
> reasons I don't fully
> > understand. The positives on the PowerFin are a
> much easier pitch change
> > process a lighter prop and very smooth running.
> Mark finally pitched his
> > prop to get maximum RPM at cruise. In other words
> he increased pitch
> until
> > full throttle gave him Max RPM in level flight.
> That is where he found
> the
> > best combination climb / cruise. In his long wing
> Model IV he could out
> > climb all of us, but would lag in cruise. He sold
> the long wing and is
> now
> > flying a Speedster. His cruise speed has picked
> up considerably but has
> > suffered a bit in climb. I think I can now out
> climb him, but this is on
> > our way to Oshkosh and we were pretty heavily
> loaded. My personal theory
> on
> > the cruise thing is that the prop has a rather
> wide chord especially at
> the
> > hub with a ton of pitch. I theorize that the
> round cowl blankets a lot of
> > the thrust in this area leaving the tips to do
> most of the work.
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > It's time for me to buy a prop and I would
> like know
> > > which would work better for the Classic IV with
> a 912S
> > > - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> > > I have been searching the archives and found
> where
> > > the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the
> tapered tip
> > > Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> > > I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh.
> Their
> > > show special was free nickel leading edge
> protection
> > > ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still
> cost me
> > > about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website,
> their's
> > > appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want
> to make
> > > sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> > > Thanks!
> > > Grant Fluent
> > > Newcastle, NE
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
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| Subject: | Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
John,
I looked at the Airmaster website. It looks like a
beautiful piece of equipment but way out of my price
range.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
Do not archive
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Yes... The Airmaster is being used by a few here in
> Idaho and they have been
> very pleased with it. However, it is also currently
> approaching about
> $5000.
>
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Dennis Golden
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dennis Golden
> <dgolden@golden-consulting.com>
>
> jdmcbean wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> >
> > Grant,
> > Personally I like the IVO in-flight
> adjustable... but it will not
> fall
> > under the LSA rule. Otherwise I would most likely
> go with the Warp. I
> have
> > not flown behind the Powerfin. I have heard mixed
> reports from those that
> > have.
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> I've heard some pretty good report on the Airmaster
> also, althogh I
> haven't gotten a price yet.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello All,
> > It's time for me to buy a prop and I would like
> know
> > which would work better for the Classic IV with a
> 912S
> > - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> > I have been searching the archives and found
> where
> > the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the tapered
> tip
> > Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> > I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh. Their
> > show special was free nickel leading edge
> protection
> > ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still
> cost me
> > about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website,
> their's
> > appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want to
> make
> > sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> > Thanks!
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis
> --
> Dennis Golden
> Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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| Subject: | Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
for those of you that want the fix pitch but would like performance. try the
Prince prop, it flexes under load and changes pitch. I believe it is about 3
degrees, but not real sure, some one could talk to him and let us know.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
John,
I looked at the Airmaster website. It looks like a
beautiful piece of equipment but way out of my price
range.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
Do not archive
--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Yes... The Airmaster is being used by a few here in
> Idaho and they have been
> very pleased with it. However, it is also currently
> approaching about
> $5000.
>
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Dennis Golden
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dennis Golden
> <dgolden@golden-consulting.com>
>
> jdmcbean wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> >
> > Grant,
> > Personally I like the IVO in-flight
> adjustable... but it will not
> fall
> > under the LSA rule. Otherwise I would most likely
> go with the Warp. I
> have
> > not flown behind the Powerfin. I have heard mixed
> reports from those that
> > have.
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> I've heard some pretty good report on the Airmaster
> also, althogh I
> haven't gotten a price yet.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello All,
> > It's time for me to buy a prop and I would like
> know
> > which would work better for the Classic IV with a
> 912S
> > - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> > I have been searching the archives and found
> where
> > the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the tapered
> tip
> > Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> > I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh. Their
> > show special was free nickel leading edge
> protection
> > ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still
> cost me
> > about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website,
> their's
> > appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want to
> make
> > sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> > Thanks!
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
>
> Regards,
>
> Dennis
> --
> Dennis Golden
> Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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| Subject: | Re: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
I fly a Prince Prop...they're very nice...but a bunch of money. I have the
Carbon P-Tip on a Jabiru 2200.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
>
> for those of you that want the fix pitch but would like performance. try
the
> Prince prop, it flexes under load and changes pitch. I believe it is about
3
> degrees, but not real sure, some one could talk to him and let us know.
>
> John Oakley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> John,
> I looked at the Airmaster website. It looks like a
> beautiful piece of equipment but way out of my price
> range.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
> Do not archive
>
> --- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> > <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> >
> > Yes... The Airmaster is being used by a few here in
> > Idaho and they have been
> > very pleased with it. However, it is also currently
> > approaching about
> > $5000.
> >
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > John & Debra McBean
> > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> > Behalf Of Dennis Golden
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> > Drive or Powerfin ??
> >
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Dennis Golden
> > <dgolden@golden-consulting.com>
> >
> > jdmcbean wrote:
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> > <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
> > >
> > > Grant,
> > > Personally I like the IVO in-flight
> > adjustable... but it will not
> > fall
> > > under the LSA rule. Otherwise I would most likely
> > go with the Warp. I
> > have
> > > not flown behind the Powerfin. I have heard mixed
> > reports from those that
> > > have.
> > >
> > > Blue Skies
> > > John & Debra McBean
> > > "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >
> > I've heard some pretty good report on the Airmaster
> > also, althogh I
> > haven't gotten a price yet.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> > Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> > Drive or Powerfin ??
> > >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > It's time for me to buy a prop and I would like
> > know
> > > which would work better for the Classic IV with a
> > 912S
> > > - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> > > I have been searching the archives and found
> > where
> > > the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the tapered
> > tip
> > > Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> > > I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh. Their
> > > show special was free nickel leading edge
> > protection
> > > ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still
> > cost me
> > > about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website,
> > their's
> > > appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want to
> > make
> > > sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> > > Thanks!
> > > Grant Fluent
> > > Newcastle, NE
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dennis
> > --
> > Dennis Golden
> > Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Preflight checklist |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Allan Arthur" <alnan@earthlink.net>
Below is my checklist. I have it taped to the back of my 5 x 8.5 inch
clipboard. I hope that the text formatting gets thru ok, otherwise it
will be a mess.
Allan Arthur
N40AA Series 5 Taildragger (140 Hours)
912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade prop
Martinez, CA (Byron Airport, Hanger C8)
------------------------------------------
>>> * ALWAYS USE CHECK LIST *
>>> (Review Emergency Proceedures Prior to Flight)
PRESTART PRETAKEOFF CRUISE
PreFlt - Cmplt Doors - Locked Flap - UP,Trim
Belts&Harness Control-Fr&Crt Pwr- 5K to 5.2K
Radio&Lts-OFF Trim - Takeoff APPROACH
Brakes - TEST Flt Inst - Set Belts & Harness
FuelValv - ON FuelValv-Chk Pwr - 4500
MasterSw - ON OilTemp - 120 Flaps - 1
IgnOFF-CHOKE RunUp - 4000 Trim - 80,70
"C L E A R !" EngInst - Chk DECENT
START - 5sec. drp300/dif150 Pwr - 3000
Wait - 10 sec. Idle - Chk Trim - 70,60
Ignition - ON Strobe - ON SHORTFINAL
Brakes-HOLD Radio - Set Flaps - 2
"C L E A R !" Flaps - 1,Trim Trim - 60,50
START FuelValv - CHK SECURE
Idle - 2000 TAKEOFF Rad/Lts-OFF
OilPress - 30 Power - FULL Idle,Mags-OFF
Radio,On, Set Vx=60 Vy=70 Mstr/Gas-OFF
>>> ENGINE FAILURE....
>>> On Takeoff .... During Flight.... Inflight Fire....
>>> Trim- 65mph Trim 65mph ...Engine:
>>> Turn to Land FuelValv - off
>>> ...Below 500ft: FuelValv - Chk Ignition - off
>>> Land straight Ignition - Chk Flaps - Trim
>>> Choke - Chk MasterSw -Off
>>> ...Above 500ft: FuelTank - Chk Slip to Land
>>> Circle to Land Attempt ...Electrical:
>>> FuelValv - Chk Restart MasterSw -Off
>>> Ignition - Chk then... Doors - Closed
>>> Choke - Chk ...FuelValv - off FireExtinguish
>>> "Announce" Ignition - off Land ASAP
>>> FuelValv - Off Flaps & Trim ...Cabin:
>>> Ignition - Off MasterSw -Off Doors - Closed
>>> Flaps & Trim LandTail Low FireExtinguish
>>> MasterSw -Off Secure Aircraft Land ASAP
----------
>From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Preflight checklist
>Date: Tue, Aug 3, 2004, 7:21 AM
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>
> I looked on the sportflight site for some sample checklists but found none?
> Can someone point me in the direction of a few that i can modify and review?
>
> Thanks
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Grant,
Are you attempting to stay LSA compliant ???
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ??
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the info Lowell. So far it looks like the
Warp Drive would be what I would want. I plan on
adding fairings to everything after it's flying and
would like as high of a cruise speed as I can get.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> I just read my post and after thinking about it for
> a bit - he pitched it
> that in level flight, the max RPM was "redline".
>
> Sorry for the initial misinformation.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > Grant, I think what you have heard is true. Two
> of our group changed to
> > the PowerFin. One went back to his GSC and the
> other stayed with the
> > Powerfin. Both had the blades shortened for
> reasons I don't fully
> > understand. The positives on the PowerFin are a
> much easier pitch change
> > process a lighter prop and very smooth running.
> Mark finally pitched his
> > prop to get maximum RPM at cruise. In other words
> he increased pitch
> until
> > full throttle gave him Max RPM in level flight.
> That is where he found
> the
> > best combination climb / cruise. In his long wing
> Model IV he could out
> > climb all of us, but would lag in cruise. He sold
> the long wing and is
> now
> > flying a Speedster. His cruise speed has picked
> up considerably but has
> > suffered a bit in climb. I think I can now out
> climb him, but this is on
> > our way to Oshkosh and we were pretty heavily
> loaded. My personal theory
> on
> > the cruise thing is that the prop has a rather
> wide chord especially at
> the
> > hub with a ton of pitch. I theorize that the
> round cowl blankets a lot of
> > the thrust in this area leaving the tips to do
> most of the work.
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > It's time for me to buy a prop and I would
> like know
> > > which would work better for the Classic IV with
> a 912S
> > > - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> > > I have been searching the archives and found
> where
> > > the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the
> tapered tip
> > > Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> > > I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh.
> Their
> > > show special was free nickel leading edge
> protection
> > > ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still
> cost me
> > > about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website,
> their's
> > > appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want
> to make
> > > sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> > > Thanks!
> > > Grant Fluent
> > > Newcastle, NE
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Time to Buy a Prop - Warp Drive or Powerfin ?? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
John,
I not not concerned with keeping it LSA compliant
but just want to keep it light and simple. I am also
trying to build the thing for around $30K.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
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--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean@cableone.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean"
> <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Grant,
> Are you attempting to stay LSA compliant ???
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> Drive or Powerfin ??
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent
> <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks for the info Lowell. So far it looks like the
> Warp Drive would be what I would want. I plan on
> adding fairings to everything after it's flying and
> would like as high of a cruise speed as I can get.
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
> --- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> > <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> > I just read my post and after thinking about it
> for
> > a bit - he pitched it
> > that in level flight, the max RPM was "redline".
> >
> > Sorry for the initial misinformation.
> >
> > Lowell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop -
> Warp
> > Drive or Powerfin ??
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt"
> > <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> > >
> > > Grant, I think what you have heard is true.
> Two
> > of our group changed to
> > > the PowerFin. One went back to his GSC and the
> > other stayed with the
> > > Powerfin. Both had the blades shortened for
> > reasons I don't fully
> > > understand. The positives on the PowerFin are a
> > much easier pitch change
> > > process a lighter prop and very smooth running.
> > Mark finally pitched his
> > > prop to get maximum RPM at cruise. In other
> words
> > he increased pitch
> > until
> > > full throttle gave him Max RPM in level flight.
> > That is where he found
> > the
> > > best combination climb / cruise. In his long
> wing
> > Model IV he could out
> > > climb all of us, but would lag in cruise. He
> sold
> > the long wing and is
> > now
> > > flying a Speedster. His cruise speed has picked
> > up considerably but has
> > > suffered a bit in climb. I think I can now out
> > climb him, but this is on
> > > our way to Oshkosh and we were pretty heavily
> > loaded. My personal theory
> > on
> > > the cruise thing is that the prop has a rather
> > wide chord especially at
> > the
> > > hub with a ton of pitch. I theorize that the
> > round cowl blankets a lot of
> > > the thrust in this area leaving the tips to do
> > most of the work.
> > >
> > > Lowell
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Time to Buy a Prop - Warp
> > Drive or Powerfin ??
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant
> Fluent
> > <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > Hello All,
> > > > It's time for me to buy a prop and I would
> > like know
> > > > which would work better for the Classic IV
> with
> > a 912S
> > > > - the Powerfin or Warp Drive?
> > > > I have been searching the archives and found
> > where
> > > > the Powerfin was slower in cruise than the
> > tapered tip
> > > > Warp. Is this typical for most of you?
> > > > I visited the Warp Drive booth at Oshkosh.
> > Their
> > > > show special was free nickel leading edge
> > protection
> > > > ($45 per blade normally). The prop would still
> > cost me
> > > > about $800. Looking at the Powerfin website,
> > their's
> > > > appear to be a little bit cheaper. I just want
> > to make
> > > > sure I am comparing apples to apples.
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Grant Fluent
> > > > Newcastle, NE
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "gary" <FlyinK@Efortress.com>
I think Prince props are awesome. I have a fiberglass/wood core (a bit
cheaper than the carbon fiber) and the performance was great. I got a deal
on a 3-blade Warp and it's smoother so I like it but I think the Prince is
worth at least 3 degrees pitch change. Very nice, I may switch back and
have another dynamic balance done. I think I can get it about as smooth.
It looks great too.
gary
> for those of you that want the fix pitch but would like performance. try
the
> Prince prop, it flexes under load and changes pitch. I believe it is about
3
> degrees, but not real sure, some one could talk to him and let us know.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel valve, was Bulging header tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Allen and Darrel,
I also just reworked my fuel valve. The thing was
getting so hard to turn I had to use both hands. I
used something called "Fuel Lube" on it and got it to
work free, at least for a while. Think I'll need a
new one soon too. And I only have 20 hrs on the
thing.
Like you two, I found a problem while I had the seat
up. In my case, I found that I had used a tie wrap to
stabilize my AOA flap adjuster and a wire from the
trim system. It appears that the AOA flap adjuster
worked my trim wire loose at the switch contact. Each
time I moved the flap handle, it would torque the wire
a little and loosen the contact screw. It was right
at the point where I would lose control of the trim in
one direction due to the weak contact.
Sometimes doing maintenance gives us the opportunity
to catch other problems before they happen. And that
is the good news I get from it. FWIW
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Allan Arthur <alnan@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Darrel,
>
> I just replaced my fuel valve with the Skystar
> retrofit kit. The valve looks a bit more robust
> than the original. The original froze up once
> and I took it apart and reworked it (it had some
> brass chips in it) and it recently became very
> hard to turn so I gave up and replaced it.
>
> The replacement valve is a bitch to install. I had
> to build a bracket to capture it from turning
> since it doesen't mount like the original.
>
> Since I had the seat out I checked my header tank
> (after reading your message) and found that my tank
> is bulged in the back also!
>
> The tank seems good and solid, so I plan to stay
> with it and keep an eye on at when I do my
> yearly inspection and maintenance.
>
> Allan Arthur
> N40AA Series 5 Taildragger (140 hours)
> 912 ULS, Warp Drive 3 blade prop
> Martinez, CA (Byron Airport, Hanger C8)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Clifford Begnaud [shoeless@barefootpilot.com]
> This is sad news. Fred was great guy.
The sad thing about making friends is that you may, one day, loose them. I didn't
know Fred but I offer my sincere condoleance to the family of a friend of my
friends.
Michel
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