---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/22/04: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:54 AM - Spring tension and rudder cables (Michel Verheughe) 2. 12:55 AM - Re: Tension vs. compression (Michel Verheughe) 3. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: No records Annual needed? (Howard Firm) 4. 04:21 AM - Re: thread sealer for poly header tank (Fox5flyer) 5. 05:12 AM - Re: Low fuel level indicator. (flier) 6. 08:28 AM - Wide track (Bill Pleso) 7. 08:35 AM - Re: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem (jimshumaker) 8. 09:23 AM - Re: Wide track (Steve Cooper) 9. 11:31 AM - Re: I agree totally with you on the compression springs and no slack in the (Lowell Fitt) 10. 11:40 AM - Re: I take to occasion to mention that I still haven't heard from Aircraft Spruce (Lowell Fitt) 11. 11:54 AM - Re: thread sealer for poly header tank (Lowell Fitt) 12. 11:55 AM - Re: Fw: thread sealer for poly header tank (Wwillyard@aol.com) 13. 12:06 PM - Re: 3M Glue (Bruce Harrington) 14. 12:15 PM - PTT switch (Joel Mapes) 15. 01:07 PM - Re: PTT switch (Fox5flyer) 16. 01:13 PM - Fuel Lube for header tank fittings (Fox5flyer) 17. 06:27 PM - Re: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings (Lowell Fitt) 18. 06:46 PM - Re: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings (Fox5flyer) 19. 06:58 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem () 20. 07:20 PM - Re: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings (Lowell Fitt) 21. 07:33 PM - Re: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings (Clifford Begnaud) 22. 07:41 PM - New E-Mail Address (John King) 23. 08:41 PM - Re: Off topic - Hacked off (kurt schrader) 24. 09:00 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem (jimshumaker) 25. 09:00 PM - Re: Off topic - Hacked off (John King) 26. 09:39 PM - Re: New E-Mail Address (jdmcbean) 27. 09:51 PM - Re: Electric Prop Failure (kurt schrader) 28. 10:26 PM - Re: Off topic - Hacked off (kurt schrader) 29. 10:45 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem (Thomas Lee) 30. 10:50 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem (Thomas Lee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:38 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Spring tension and rudder cables --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe Rex & Jan Shaw wrote: > Sounds good to me but I wonder about the possible increased stress on the > cables. What does everyone think about that aspect. Hello Rex, From an Aircraft-Spruce-ignored to another Aircraft-Spruce-ignored, I think it won't affect at all your rudder cables. I don't know how your plane is built but my model 3 has the rudder cables only tensioned by a soft spring inside the cockpit. The springs between the tailwheel horns and the rudder horns don't affect at all the cables. Best regards from up-north to down-under :-) Michel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:06 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tension vs. compression --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe kurt schrader wrote: > The tension springs come with the kit. Got it! Thanks Kurt! Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:04 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: No records Annual needed? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs > > Howard, > > Another approach would be to tell them that you built it from scratch > using parts you acquired locally. It won't be listed as a "Kitfox" > in the FAA's records, but you should be able to convince them of its > legitimacy with a notarized affidavit that you bought miscellaneous > parts. They should issue a repairman's certificate if you can show > that you built the majority of it (shouldn't be hard if you built it > from parts :-) > > Hope this is helpful. > > Mike G. > N728KF That would have worked in the beginning, but now I think they are very familiar with who I am...I don't think that I can change my story at this point. Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:32 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" That sounds like just what I need Lowell. Where is it generally available? Darrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > Darrel, I used FuelLube. > > Lowell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fox5flyer" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > I'm looking for advice on the proper thread sealer/lube to use when > > installing the brass fittings in my header tank. It's the stock Skystar > > unit. I've been told to use anaerobic type sealers and I've been told not > > to use anaerobic type. Those type are great for metal to metal, but I > can't > > find out if they're suitable for polyethylene. > > Loctite makes a lot of different types of thread sealers and I've done a > lot > > of searching but I can't find anything that specifically says it's ok to > use > > with poly/brass. > > Another I've found is Rectorseal #5, but I can't find any of that locally > > nor am I sure it would be suitable either. When I install these fittings > I > > only want to do it once and I don't want them to leak/seep. I hate the > > smell of fuel in the cockpit. > > Anybody have any good advice or source? Any input would be appreciated. > > Darrel > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:58 AM PST US From: "flier" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel level indicator. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" Right! As I indicated in my other mail. The text version of the message looked a lot different from the HTML version! --- Original Message --- From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: Low fuel level indicator. >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > >+12V-------lamp-------float switch------ground > | | > | | > ---test switch--- > >Isn't that a mistake if you put a switch across the lamp and close it and >the float switch was also closed [ low level ] you would get one hell of a >current flow through things. Poof ! I think you meant to put the test >switch across the float switch. >Rex. >rexjan@bigpond.com > > >_- ====================================================== ================== Contributions any other Forums. >_- ====================================================== ================== >_- ====================================================== ================== http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/contribution >_- ====================================================== ================== > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:37 AM PST US From: "Bill Pleso" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wide track --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" Builders, I've noticed that "Airdale" has a bungee type main gear that has a 10.5" wider stance than the standard Kitfox main gear. They claim that it improves handling on the ground. Has anyone out there tried it? Bill do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:37 AM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" Thomas You need to flatten the pitch on your prop. You will get much better performance in takeoff, climb and cruise. I find 8.5 degrees ( at the tip on the taper tip, with reference to the hub) to work very well. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Lee" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee > > My 912 UL never reaches 5500 rpm with Warp Drive propellor, only 5300 > . There is no gascolator in the Vixen. > > thomas. > > > > > >Hi Thomas > > > >Do you mean 5500 rpm redline? > > > >I had similar symptoms due to vapor lock. The gascolator was mounted on the > >lower right (from pilots point of view) corner of the fire wall. That puts > >it right next to the muffler. An aluminum baffle solved the problem. > > > >Jim Shumaker > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Thomas Lee" > >To: "kitfox" > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem > > > > > > > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee > >> > >>Yesterday when I took off with full throttle, at about 350 ft the > >>engine loss power for 1 to 2 second and then resumed power to climb > >>another 10 seconds. > >>I found power loss again for 1-2 second and then it continued to climb > >>with full power at 5000 rpm. I landed immediately and taxied around > >>the airport for 15 minutes . The engine ran very smooth on the > >>ground. The spark plugs have been used for about 50 hrs. > >> > >>I had 400 hrs on the engine, been using 100 LL for months with TPC. > >>Could it be air in the fuel circuit, damage of the plug wires, fuel > >>impurities ? > >>Grateful for your advice. > >> > >>thomas. Vixen 912UL. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:28 AM PST US From: "Steve Cooper" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wide track --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" I have the wide mains on my Avid Mark IV...but they are 14" wider. I had the stock ones on at first. I can report that the improvment in ground handleing over the origional main gear legs is awsome. The airplane even looks better. Something about the stance is a bit different. A little taller perhaps. I would never go back to the origionals. Tracking is straight as an arrow. It makes me (a novice tailwheel'r) look like a pro! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pleso" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wide track > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bill Pleso" > > Builders, > I've noticed that "Airdale" has a bungee type main gear that has a 10.5" wider stance than the standard Kitfox main gear. They claim that it improves handling on the ground. Has anyone out there tried it? > Bill > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:20 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I agree totally with you on the compression springs and no slack in the --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Rex, the wheels are aluminum. Their weakness as they come with the entire assembly is two fold. They have a funky little grease fitting, that I don't know how to use and the bearings are not sealed. As I recall the ACS catalog offers a bearing upgrade and with sealed bearings the grease fitting becomes redundant. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: I agree totally with you on the compression springs and no slack in the > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > > I agree totally with you on the compression springs and no slack in the > chains.. > > Sounds good to me but I wonder about the possible increased stress on the > cables. What does everyone think about that aspect. Also I wonder about the > above because eventually I want to get rid of that noisy and rough original > solid Maule SFSA tail wheel. I'm interested in those soft rubber Homebuilder > ones from Aircraft Spruce too but can't find out if they are aluminium or > glorified plastic. > Rex. > rexjan@bigpond.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:34 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I take to occasion to mention that I still haven't heard from Aircraft Spruce --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Sorry, Jim, not so. the Home builders tailwheel has an aluminum hub - about 2.75" diameter, the bearings press into the hub. The outside diameter of the tire is the 6" as advertised in the catalogue. At least the one I have does, just checked it. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I take to occasion to mention that I still haven't heard from Aircraft Spruce > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" > > Rex > > The home builders is just like the Maule. The bearings press in to the > solid rubber tire. The inches are an outside diameter measure > > Jim Shumaker > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: I take to occasion to mention that I still haven't > heard from Aircraft Spruce > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" > > > > Neither have I. I'm in Australia. We have a new agent who kindly sent me > the > > catalogue before he would have got my money but hasn't responded re tail > > wheels. Neither has Aircraft Spruce to two E'mails. I'm trying to find out > > what the soft rubber Homebuilders replacement wheels 06-03500 4" dia and > > 06-03600 6"dia wheel rims are made of. Are they aluminiun or steel or > > plastic ? I'd really like more confirmation too if the 4" and 6" refers > to > > rim size or outside dia of the tyre as I want use one to replace my solid > > original Maule SFSA wheel only. Not the whole assembly. I would have liked > > to put a pnematic tyre on but I don't think there is space. There is only > > room to swing about 150mm overal dia. I did get some feedback from the > list > > once for which I am real greatefull but it was inconcluvive because at > that > > time I couldn't say exactly what wheel I had. I have since found out it is > > Maule SFSA. I actually found a small crumpled up silver blob on it that > > unfolded to be a sticker that one could actually read believe it or not. > > Rex. > > rexjan@bigpond.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:18 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" ACS has fuel lube, it comes in pint cans - enough to supply the whole airport for years. It is a funny material feeling and smelling a lot like a heavy sticky grease. Gasoline won't touch it and to get it off your hands - a paper towel. I also use it on the fittings to the wing tanks and on o-rings. It's a good lube for fuel valves. Part number P/N 09-25300 (Yes, $22.95 a can) Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > That sounds like just what I need Lowell. Where is it generally available? > Darrel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lowell Fitt" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > Darrel, I used FuelLube. > > > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > To: > > Subject: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the proper thread sealer/lube to use when > > > installing the brass fittings in my header tank. It's the stock Skystar > > > unit. I've been told to use anaerobic type sealers and I've been told > not > > > to use anaerobic type. Those type are great for metal to metal, but I > > can't > > > find out if they're suitable for polyethylene. > > > Loctite makes a lot of different types of thread sealers and I've done a > > lot > > > of searching but I can't find anything that specifically says it's ok to > > use > > > with poly/brass. > > > Another I've found is Rectorseal #5, but I can't find any of that > locally > > > nor am I sure it would be suitable either. When I install these > fittings > > I > > > only want to do it once and I don't want them to leak/seep. I hate the > > > smell of fuel in the cockpit. > > > Anybody have any good advice or source? Any input would be appreciated. > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:55 AM PST US From: Wwillyard@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com In a message dated 8/22/2004 1:02:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes: Darrel, I tried some blue RTV automotive sealant when I first put mine together. I got seven leaks right off. I then tried a tube of teflon paste, which doesn't come off in strings like the tape, and never had a problem since. Like Pete says, don't put it on the inner most threads. It is a good idea to install the fittings dry first and see how many threads don't go in. Then remove and seal up to the next 3 threads, but not to the inner end. The tape works very well too. I don't think any fuel type will bother it. But I think the paste is a bit safer. I've heard that some inspectors won't "pass" your plane if using the tape too. Kurt S. S05/NSI turbo My original header tank from SkyStar used Teflon tape on the brass fittings. I stopped the leaking by also using Teflon tape with a fuel resistant paste (from a local plumbing supply house) over the Teflon tape. This is a common practice in the plumbing and mechanical trades as brass fittings are often difficult to achieve a leak free connection even when all metal components are involved. Bill W. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:26 PM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 3M Glue --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi Jeff, If it's not a structural plate, then the 3M will probably still hold it ok. I used mine for miscellaneos stuff until it was all gone! bh > The 3M glue that I got with my kit is about 11 years old. I need to glue a small stainless steel plate to my longeron. Anything out there that is good for this job? I would hate to order more 3M for such a small job. Jeff Classic IV > > > Jeffrey Puls ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:50 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: PTT switch From: "Joel Mapes" --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" U3RpbGwgd29ya2luZyBvbiBteSBNb2RlbCA1LCBJIHBsYW4gdG8gcHV0IFBUVCBzd2l0Y2hlcyBp biB0aGUgc3RpY2tzLiBTdWdnZXN0aW9ucyByZWdhcmRpbmcgcm91dGluZyBvZiB0aGUgd2lyZXM/ IFNob3VsZCBhIGhvbGUgYmUgZHJpbGxlZCBpbiB0aGUgc3RpY2sganVzdCBhYm92ZSB0aGUgYXR0 YWNoIHBvaW50IG9yIHNob3VsZCB0aGUgd2lyZXMgYmUgcm91dGVkIGFsbCB0aGUgd2F5IHRocm91 Z2ggdGhlIGNvbnRyb2wgc3RpY2sgcGl2b3Q/DQogDQpKb2VsIE1hcGVzDQo ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:20 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: PTT switch --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" You shouldn't sugar coat your remarks so much Joel. :-) Darrel > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" > > U3RpbGwgd29ya2luZyBvbiBteSBNb2RlbCA1LCBJIHBsYW4gdG8gcHV0IFBUVCBzd2l0Y2hlcyBp > biB0aGUgc3RpY2tzLiBTdWdnZXN0aW9ucyByZWdhcmRpbmcgcm91dGluZyBvZiB0aGUgd2lyZXM/ > IFNob3VsZCBhIGhvbGUgYmUgZHJpbGxlZCBpbiB0aGUgc3RpY2sganVzdCBhYm92ZSB0aGUgYXR0 > YWNoIHBvaW50IG9yIHNob3VsZCB0aGUgd2lyZXMgYmUgcm91dGVkIGFsbCB0aGUgd2F5IHRocm91 > Z2ggdGhlIGNvbnRyb2wgc3RpY2sgcGl2b3Q/DQogDQpKb2VsIE1hcGVzDQo ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:28 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" I used all the search engines including google and dogpile and found plenty of information on the stuff, but no sources. ACS's search doesn't turn it up either (even with the part number), but that doesn't mean they don't have it. Thanks for the input Lowell, but before I order it, does anybody out there have a partial can they no longer have use for? Darrel > > ACS has fuel lube, it comes in pint cans - enough to supply the whole > airport for years. It is a funny material feeling and smelling a lot like a > heavy sticky grease. Gasoline won't touch it and to get it off your hands - > a paper towel. I also use it on the fittings to the wing tanks and on > o-rings. It's a good lube for fuel valves. Part number P/N 09-25300 > (Yes, $22.95 a can) > > Lowell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fox5flyer" > To: > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > That sounds like just what I need Lowell. Where is it generally > available? > > Darrel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lowell Fitt" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > > > Darrel, I used FuelLube. > > > > > > Lowell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > > To: > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the proper thread sealer/lube to use when > > > > installing the brass fittings in my header tank. It's the stock > Skystar > > > > unit. I've been told to use anaerobic type sealers and I've been told > > not > > > > to use anaerobic type. Those type are great for metal to metal, but I > > > can't > > > > find out if they're suitable for polyethylene. > > > > Loctite makes a lot of different types of thread sealers and I've done > a > > > lot > > > > of searching but I can't find anything that specifically says it's ok > to > > > use > > > > with poly/brass. > > > > Another I've found is Rectorseal #5, but I can't find any of that > > locally > > > > nor am I sure it would be suitable either. When I install these > > fittings > > > I > > > > only want to do it once and I don't want them to leak/seep. I hate > the > > > > smell of fuel in the cockpit. > > > > Anybody have any good advice or source? Any input would be > appreciated. > > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:03 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Darrel, my catalog is of 2002-2003 vintage it is on page 318. Maybe they have discontinued it for some reason. I will put a little in a Ziploc bag when I send the other stuff Thursday. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > I used all the search engines including google and dogpile and found plenty > of information on the stuff, but no sources. ACS's search doesn't turn it > up either (even with the part number), but that doesn't mean they don't have > it. Thanks for the input Lowell, but before I order it, does anybody out > there have a partial can they no longer have use for? > Darrel > > > > > ACS has fuel lube, it comes in pint cans - enough to supply the whole > > airport for years. It is a funny material feeling and smelling a lot like > a > > heavy sticky grease. Gasoline won't touch it and to get it off your > hands - > > a paper towel. I also use it on the fittings to the wing tanks and on > > o-rings. It's a good lube for fuel valves. Part number P/N 09-25300 > > (Yes, $22.95 a can) > > > > Lowell > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > That sounds like just what I need Lowell. Where is it generally > > available? > > > Darrel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lowell Fitt" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > > > > > Darrel, I used FuelLube. > > > > > > > > Lowell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the proper thread sealer/lube to use when > > > > > installing the brass fittings in my header tank. It's the stock > > Skystar > > > > > unit. I've been told to use anaerobic type sealers and I've been > told > > > not > > > > > to use anaerobic type. Those type are great for metal to metal, but > I > > > > can't > > > > > find out if they're suitable for polyethylene. > > > > > Loctite makes a lot of different types of thread sealers and I've > done > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of searching but I can't find anything that specifically says it's > ok > > to > > > > use > > > > > with poly/brass. > > > > > Another I've found is Rectorseal #5, but I can't find any of that > > > locally > > > > > nor am I sure it would be suitable either. When I install these > > > fittings > > > > I > > > > > only want to do it once and I don't want them to leak/seep. I hate > > the > > > > > smell of fuel in the cockpit. > > > > > Anybody have any good advice or source? Any input would be > > appreciated. > > > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:14 PM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" Thanks Lowell. You're a good man. I ordered a new catalog today and I'll check to see if it's listed when it gets here. It's entirely possible that they could have it, but maybe the part number isn't on the search list. Darrel > > Darrel, my catalog is of 2002-2003 vintage it is on page 318. Maybe they > have discontinued it for some reason. I will put a little in a Ziploc bag > when I send the other stuff Thursday. > > Lowell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fox5flyer" > To: > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > I used all the search engines including google and dogpile and found > plenty > > of information on the stuff, but no sources. ACS's search doesn't turn it > > up either (even with the part number), but that doesn't mean they don't > have > > it. Thanks for the input Lowell, but before I order it, does anybody out > > there have a partial can they no longer have use for? > > Darrel > > > > > > > > ACS has fuel lube, it comes in pint cans - enough to supply the whole > > > airport for years. It is a funny material feeling and smelling a lot > like > > a > > > heavy sticky grease. Gasoline won't touch it and to get it off your > > hands - > > > a paper towel. I also use it on the fittings to the wing tanks and on > > > o-rings. It's a good lube for fuel valves. Part number P/N 09-25300 > > > (Yes, $22.95 a can) > > > > > > Lowell > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > > > > That sounds like just what I need Lowell. Where is it generally > > > available? > > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > > > > > > > > Darrel, I used FuelLube. > > > > > > > > > > Lowell > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the proper thread sealer/lube to use > when > > > > > > installing the brass fittings in my header tank. It's the stock > > > Skystar > > > > > > unit. I've been told to use anaerobic type sealers and I've been > > told > > > > not > > > > > > to use anaerobic type. Those type are great for metal to metal, > but > > I > > > > > can't > > > > > > find out if they're suitable for polyethylene. > > > > > > Loctite makes a lot of different types of thread sealers and I've > > done > > > a > > > > > lot > > > > > > of searching but I can't find anything that specifically says it's > > ok > > > to > > > > > use > > > > > > with poly/brass. > > > > > > Another I've found is Rectorseal #5, but I can't find any of that > > > > locally > > > > > > nor am I sure it would be suitable either. When I install these > > > > fittings > > > > > I > > > > > > only want to do it once and I don't want them to leak/seep. I > hate > > > the > > > > > > smell of fuel in the cockpit. > > > > > > Anybody have any good advice or source? Any input would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:19 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Check for water. As cool and wet as this summer has been ( at least in MO.) there is a good chance you got some water in the tank. > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee > > Yesterday when I took off with full throttle, at about 350 ft the > engine loss power for 1 to 2 second and then resumed power to climb > another 10 seconds. > I found power loss again for 1-2 second and then it continued to climb > with full power at 5000 rpm. I landed immediately and taxied around > the airport for 15 minutes . The engine ran very smooth on the > ground. The spark plugs have been used for about 50 hrs. > > I had 400 hrs on the engine, been using 100 LL for months with TPC. > Could it be air in the fuel circuit, damage of the plug wires, fuel > impurities ? > Grateful for your advice. > > thomas. Vixen 912UL. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:24 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" I just did a Google search and the correct spelling is Fuelube. It is manufactured by Ohio Industrial Supply, of Cleveland, Ohio. 250 Mahoning Ave. 44113 - no phone #, but Google has several outlets. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > Thanks Lowell. You're a good man. I ordered a new catalog today and I'll > check to see if it's listed when it gets here. It's entirely possible that > they could have it, but maybe the part number isn't on the search list. > Darrel > > > > > Darrel, my catalog is of 2002-2003 vintage it is on page 318. Maybe they > > have discontinued it for some reason. I will put a little in a Ziploc bag > > when I send the other stuff Thursday. > > > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > To: > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > I used all the search engines including google and dogpile and found > > plenty > > > of information on the stuff, but no sources. ACS's search doesn't turn > it > > > up either (even with the part number), but that doesn't mean they don't > > have > > > it. Thanks for the input Lowell, but before I order it, does anybody > out > > > there have a partial can they no longer have use for? > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > > ACS has fuel lube, it comes in pint cans - enough to supply the whole > > > > airport for years. It is a funny material feeling and smelling a lot > > like > > > a > > > > heavy sticky grease. Gasoline won't touch it and to get it off your > > > hands - > > > > a paper towel. I also use it on the fittings to the wing tanks and on > > > > o-rings. It's a good lube for fuel valves. Part number P/N > 09-25300 > > > > (Yes, $22.95 a can) > > > > > > > > Lowell > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > > > > > > > That sounds like just what I need Lowell. Where is it generally > > > > available? > > > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darrel, I used FuelLube. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lowell > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the proper thread sealer/lube to use > > when > > > > > > > installing the brass fittings in my header tank. It's the stock > > > > Skystar > > > > > > > unit. I've been told to use anaerobic type sealers and I've > been > > > told > > > > > not > > > > > > > to use anaerobic type. Those type are great for metal to metal, > > but > > > I > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > find out if they're suitable for polyethylene. > > > > > > > Loctite makes a lot of different types of thread sealers and > I've > > > done > > > > a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > of searching but I can't find anything that specifically says > it's > > > ok > > > > to > > > > > > use > > > > > > > with poly/brass. > > > > > > > Another I've found is Rectorseal #5, but I can't find any of > that > > > > > locally > > > > > > > nor am I sure it would be suitable either. When I install these > > > > > fittings > > > > > > I > > > > > > > only want to do it once and I don't want them to leak/seep. I > > hate > > > > the > > > > > > > smell of fuel in the cockpit. > > > > > > > Anybody have any good advice or source? Any input would be > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:10 PM PST US From: "Clifford Begnaud" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" Try EZ turn, I'm using because spruce doesn't carry fuel lube anymore. The catalog says that EZ turn is the "functional equivalent to fuel lube". Part # 09-00180 Cliff > > I used all the search engines including google and dogpile and found plenty > of information on the stuff, but no sources. ACS's search doesn't turn it > up either (even with the part number), but that doesn't mean they don't have > it. Thanks for the input Lowell, but before I order it, does anybody out > there have a partial can they no longer have use for? > Darrel > > > > > ACS has fuel lube, it comes in pint cans - enough to supply the whole > > airport for years. It is a funny material feeling and smelling a lot like > a > > heavy sticky grease. Gasoline won't touch it and to get it off your > hands - > > a paper towel. I also use it on the fittings to the wing tanks and on > > o-rings. It's a good lube for fuel valves. Part number P/N 09-25300 > > (Yes, $22.95 a can) > > > > Lowell > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > That sounds like just what I need Lowell. Where is it generally > > available? > > > Darrel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lowell Fitt" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" > > > > > > > > Darrel, I used FuelLube. > > > > > > > > Lowell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Fox5flyer" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: thread sealer for poly header tank > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the proper thread sealer/lube to use when > > > > > installing the brass fittings in my header tank. It's the stock > > Skystar > > > > > unit. I've been told to use anaerobic type sealers and I've been > told > > > not > > > > > to use anaerobic type. Those type are great for metal to metal, but > I > > > > can't > > > > > find out if they're suitable for polyethylene. > > > > > Loctite makes a lot of different types of thread sealers and I've > done > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of searching but I can't find anything that specifically says it's > ok > > to > > > > use > > > > > with poly/brass. > > > > > Another I've found is Rectorseal #5, but I can't find any of that > > > locally > > > > > nor am I sure it would be suitable either. When I install these > > > fittings > > > > I > > > > > only want to do it once and I don't want them to leak/seep. I hate > > the > > > > > smell of fuel in the cockpit. > > > > > Anybody have any good advice or source? Any input would be > > appreciated. > > > > > Darrel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:51 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Kitfox-List: New E-Mail Address --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King To the List, For those who contact me directly I just dropped my dial-up connection in favor of a high speed Internet connection. My new e-mail address is now . Note the "e" after the "kingjohn". The old address (kingjohn@erols.com) will be soon dropped. Do Not Archive. -- John King Warrenton, VA ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:03 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic - Hacked off --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader I thought I better ask this here in case I disappear suddenly and someone wonders what happened. Are there any Microsoft Windows experts on the list? I have been pretty successful defending against all internet attacks up until now. Recently some hacker overode my firewall and started changing settings on my computer. I got locked out of some areas and the modem and hard drive are being accessed from outside doing who knows what. I keep checking for viruses and spyware. Nothing. It is a clean hack as if I was on a network and the admin took control. (hint?) I cut off contact in the middle of the attack, but I lost some control, including being able to work on my KitFox saved files. That is a bummer! Whenever I change settings, the modem activates and trys to notify "someone". I may have a DOS program running in the background. I can not successfully run disk maintenance programs, except in safe mode, due to the repetitive disk activity, even off line. I've lost my DVD backup ability too. If I can not track down the software loaded and regain control, I'll have to low level reformat the hard drive and reload. That takes a lot of time I would rather not use for this purpose. It means paying for the local cable hookup again. It also means only checking the List occasionally from the library, etc, until I'm up again. That's why I'd be "hacked off" - off the List. So, any experts out there that can answer questions to help me clean this one up? Using Windows 98 SE Thanks for your indulgence Kurt S. Do not archive. _______________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:43 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" Thomas I forgot to mention that you should check your tach before adjusting the prop. If you need an optical tach contact me off list. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: > > Check for water. As cool and wet as this summer has been ( at least in MO.) > there is a good chance you got some water in the tank. > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee > > > > Yesterday when I took off with full throttle, at about 350 ft the > > engine loss power for 1 to 2 second and then resumed power to climb > > another 10 seconds. > > I found power loss again for 1-2 second and then it continued to climb > > with full power at 5000 rpm. I landed immediately and taxied around > > the airport for 15 minutes . The engine ran very smooth on the > > ground. The spark plugs have been used for about 50 hrs. > > > > I had 400 hrs on the engine, been using 100 LL for months with TPC. > > Could it be air in the fuel circuit, damage of the plug wires, fuel > > impurities ? > > Grateful for your advice. > > > > thomas. Vixen 912UL. > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:43 PM PST US From: John King Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic - Hacked off --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King Kurt, What a bummer. Wish I could help, but I am not prepared for that. Just curious as to what firewall and anti virus software you have been using? -- John King Warrenton, VA kurt schrader wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader > >I thought I better ask this here in case I disappear >suddenly and someone wonders what happened. > >Are there any Microsoft Windows experts on the list? > >I have been pretty successful defending against all >internet attacks up until now. Recently some hacker >overode my firewall and started changing settings on >my computer. I got locked out of some areas and the >modem and hard drive are being accessed from outside >doing who knows what. > >I keep checking for viruses and spyware. Nothing. It >is a clean hack as if I was on a network and the admin >took control. (hint?) > >I cut off contact in the middle of the attack, but I >lost some control, including being able to work on my >KitFox saved files. That is a bummer! > >Whenever I change settings, the modem activates and >trys to notify "someone". I may have a DOS program >running in the background. I can not successfully run >disk maintenance programs, except in safe mode, due to >the repetitive disk activity, even off line. > >I've lost my DVD backup ability too. > >If I can not track down the software loaded and regain >control, I'll have to low level reformat the hard >drive and reload. That takes a lot of time I would >rather not use for this purpose. It means paying for >the local cable hookup again. It also means only >checking the List occasionally from the library, etc, >until I'm up again. > >That's why I'd be "hacked off" - off the List. > >So, any experts out there that can answer questions to >help me clean this one up? > >Using Windows 98 SE > >Thanks for your indulgence > >Kurt S. > >Do not archive. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:22 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: New E-Mail Address --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Soooo... Do we start calling you John ny (e) Blue Skies John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John King Subject: Kitfox-List: New E-Mail Address --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King To the List, For those who contact me directly I just dropped my dial-up connection in favor of a high speed Internet connection. My new e-mail address is now . Note the "e" after the "kingjohn". The old address (kingjohn@erols.com) will be soon dropped. Do Not Archive. -- John King Warrenton, VA ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:08 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Electric Prop Failure --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi Gary, First, thanks for your expert handling of all this. I have seen punch marks at the material edges to lock the bearing in place, but not on the bearing itself. Usually on an auto wheel bearing, wheel bearing nut, bearing grease cup, etc. Can't say I have ever seen this done on an aircraft before. Though it is a distractor to the cause of this incident, it seems a serious one. I bet it will remain unsolved, unless more are found. Years ago, the military had a number of turbine wheel failures on one engine type. The cause was discovered to be that the warehouse stacked the wheels on edge on a concrete floor before engine assembly, and the wheels later cracked at the stack point. Sometimes it doesn't take much.... I can't come up with a good explaination for the mottled cuff appearance. It looks like something from being heated, but that shouldn't be? Does NSI's subcontractor heat the cuffs during manufacture, as during assembly/fitting? Ever do any gun blueing? (I'm assuming NSI designed this, then farmed it out) I can't come up with any other reason for the surface problem. Chem exposure is the only other idea I have and that doesn't seem to fit either. The undercut does seem a key feature, but not enough by itself. I must say, I like my prop just as it is. No excess movement. I was worried about it from the start, always ground running it where a thrown blade would clear hazardous areas. Now I'll inspect it more, but I still don't know if I could detect any failure point without NDT. As to why it happened then, I think life is a test and you passed. I can't claim to be that good, so I yield to your airmanship. You didn't even stub a toe... Wondering how I would cable my engine down as a final catcher after mount failure? Kevlar belt? I've wondered about a cable up thru the lift struts too, in case they failed. There are a few things that are just not redundant. I am sure a lot of people will be waiting to hear the final results you get. And then the decision: Another CAP-140? An engine clutch? A different prop? Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- kitfoxjunky wrote: > ......... > Those punch marks are a real mystery. I do not think > they were the cause of someone hammering on the > bearing, rather I think they were added to lock the > bearing in place. > ......... > I found the outside appearance of the cuff > interesting. As you can see from the photograph, > the color is not consistent. There are spots where > it is darker. > ......... > I find it interesting that you say you have no play > in your blades fore and aft. Wish I had put the > blade on new, and could confirm they were tight > from the start. Mine always had a bit of play > ......... > Why the prop let go at that particular time I will > never understand. > ......... > > Gary Walsh > C-GOOT > www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox _______________________________ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:29 PM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off topic - Hacked off --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Hi John, Just so everyone knows, I don't think I am carrying anything that passes along, or I would drop out immediately. The hack seems specifically to attack or use my computer. That is why nothing gets detected. But I know you asked a different question John. I am using Zone Alarm as a firewall. I will contact them when I have the time to see if they can help. Microsoft also. Whenever I have the time.... Yahoo has done a very good job of cleaning my e-mail. They keep it updated. In addition I have Trend Micro's Housecall, which is updated as much as anything I know. It updates every time I use it. Then I use Spybot to clean out the spyware and I dump cookies almost daily myself. My computer has a firmware virus protector of its own too. I see 4-6 e-mail virus' daily and hundreds of other attacks coming in. Zone Alarm records and blocks them. I counted 2066 in the last 24 hrs, and I have not been on line but a small portion of that time. This was a different hit. Relatively long modem activity. That is why I had time to cut it off. And the changes were immediate. My DVD instantly blocked, etc. CPU speed to a crawl or stopped. Lockups. If I take the time - and it will take a lot - I can probably clean it up. But that could take me a week of nothing but computer work. It has been 12 years since I studyied computers. I know there are faster, more up to date people around. And the hacker knows who I am so he can come right back. I have a hardware firewall that I can get activated for a few hundred $ after the computer is cleaned up. I might as well get a new computer then and save what I can from this one. That is probably as good as it gets. And as expensive. $$$$ My current goal is to complete my KF scoop, my wing strut fairings and vortex generators. Then final testing. Don't have time to fool with this my slow, pokey self... I did a ground run with the scoop on today. :-) Kurt S. --- John King wrote: > Kurt, > > What a bummer. Wish I could help, but I am not > prepared for that. Just curious as to what firewall > and anti virus software you have been using? > -- > John King > Warrenton, VA __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:21 PM PST US From: Thomas Lee Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee >I forgot to mention that you should check your tach before adjusting the >prop. If you need an optical tach contact me off list. > >Jim Shumaker > > > Jim, I don't think I am going to adjust the prop because I am quite happy with its performance. Many thanks for your offer. Hopefully I am able to find out the problem of the engine this week. thomas. Vixen 912 UL, 400 hrs. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:23 PM PST US From: Thomas Lee Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Kitfox list:engine problem --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee OK. I'll check the wing tanks and the header tank for water. Thanks. thomas. Vixen 912 UL. kirkhull@sbcglobal.net wrote: > >Check for water. As cool and wet as this summer has been ( at least in MO.) >there is a good chance you got some water in the tank. > > > > >>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee >> >>Yesterday when I took off with full throttle, at about 350 ft the >>engine loss power for 1 to 2 second and then resumed power to climb >>another 10 seconds. >>I found power loss again for 1-2 second and then it continued to climb >>with full power at 5000 rpm. >>