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1. 03:54 AM - Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all (Fox5flyer)
2. 04:29 AM - Tailwheel springs and rudder cable (Michel Verheughe)
3. 04:36 AM - SV: 2nd radio (Michel Verheughe)
4. 04:54 AM - Re: 2nd radio (Clifford Begnaud)
5. 05:02 AM - Re: Three blade prop & 3:1 gearbox (Gary Algate)
6. 05:12 AM - Rad scoop (Gary Algate)
7. 06:04 AM - Re: Rad scoop (Rick)
8. 07:00 AM - Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
9. 07:09 AM - Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all (Lowell Fitt)
10. 08:10 AM - Re: SV: 2nd radio (John King)
11. 08:32 AM - Vortex Generators (Chuck & Vicki Tippett)
12. 08:38 AM - Trailering a Kitfox on Floats (Chuck & Vicki Tippett)
13. 08:52 AM - Vortex Generators (Chuck & Vicki Tippett)
14. 08:57 AM - Hey. Chuck Worn elevator Hinge? (Harris, Robert)
15. 09:13 AM - Re: Kitfox for sale (Aerobatics@aol.com)
16. 10:24 AM - Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all (Fox5flyer)
17. 10:46 AM - Re: Hinge Play Question? Please help. (Torgeir Mortensen)
18. 11:09 AM - Re: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats ()
19. 11:19 AM - Re: Vortex Generators ()
20. 11:23 AM - Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all (Torgeir Mortensen)
21. 11:57 AM - Re: SV: 2nd radio (Michel Verheughe)
22. 12:19 PM - Re: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats ()
23. 02:01 PM - Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all (John King)
24. 02:19 PM - Thank You.Re: Hinge Play Question? Please help. (Harris, Robert)
25. 03:26 PM - Question and Opinion (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
26. 04:50 PM - FYI Fuelube (Fox5flyer)
27. 05:22 PM - Re: 912 plug wires (neflyer48)
28. 05:25 PM - Re: Question and Opinion (RICHARD HUTSON)
29. 07:27 PM - Adv. - Surplus Aircraft Tools from BrownTool - Adv. (BrownTool@aol.com)
30. 07:49 PM - Re: Question and Opinion (Marc Arseneault)
31. 08:10 PM - Re: Question and Opinion (Bruce Harrington)
32. 08:19 PM - Re: Question and Opinion (Steve Cooper)
33. 08:37 PM - Re: Question and Opinion (jdmcbean)
34. 08:43 PM - NSI Ignition pickup (Comp User)
35. 09:08 PM - Re: NSI Ignition pickup (Rick)
36. 09:29 PM - Re: SV: 2nd radio (jimshumaker)
37. 09:31 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (jimshumaker)
38. 10:12 PM - Re: Re: NSI Ignition pickup (Comp User)
39. 10:39 PM - Re: NSI Ignition pickup (kurt schrader)
40. 10:52 PM - Re: 2nd radio (kurt schrader)
41. 10:58 PM - Re: Kitfox for sale (kurt schrader)
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| Subject: | Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about this
previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could possibly
have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've always
used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I did
was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off. However, I
still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
Darrel
>
> Those light springs in the cabin just keep the cables from flopping in
the
> case of no foot pressure on the pedals. So foot pressure and those light
> springs both contribute to cable tension. The cables between the pedals
and
> rudder horns under tension become a solid link. The rudder horns are
> connected via chains and the springs we are discussing to the tail wheel
> steering horns. Now any pressure turning or attempting to turn the tail
> wheel is applied back through the chains and discussed springs to the
rudder
> cables that will pull against foot pressure. Now excess force that is
> applied back is absorbed by those discussed springs. If the springs are
the
> original tension springs then they just stretch out more and more as more
> excess force is applied. However if one swaps those tension springs for
> compression springs they squeeze up rather than stretch out BUT can only
> squeeze until we get coil bind at which point something has to give, That
> could be the wheel resisting the force trying to turn it, your foot forced
> back on the appropriate pedal or the locking device in the tail wheel
> letting go and allowing the tail wheel to swivel. The other thing though
is
> there is more tension on the appropriate rudder cable while this is
> happening because that compression spring has closed right up to the point
> of coil bind and become a solid in effect. The original tension spring
would
> just keep stretching and even although as it does the pressure is ever
> increasing it is not like a solid the compression spring becomes. Also as
> the compression spring reaches coil bind there is a jarring moment that is
> taken in the whole line including the appropriate cable.
> The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable is
my
> concern. I am not saying it is a problem. In fact I was asking if any one
> had thought about it and/or decided it was a worry or problem.
> Should a rudder cable fail during a ground roll it would probably cause a
> ground loop at the least. However if a cable failed in flight due to
> previous strain on the ground it would not be nice either and some clever
> flying at least would be needed to get out of it and a change of underwear
> if not a coffin would be called for. I suppose one could compromise with a
> hospital !
>
> Rex.
> PS
> I do agree that the compression springs would most likely give better
> control. It's a matter of relative tensions.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Tailwheel springs and rudder cable |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Rex & Jan Shaw [rexjan@bigpond.com]
> The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable is my
> concern.
You are right, Rex, I didn't think of it in terms of a compression spring being
under constant compression between the horns, thus having little to go before
being full compressed and putting load on the cable and the pedal assembly. Good
thinking, Rex!
You also sent me a similar explanation to my private email address; I won't answer
that one because I have nothing to add than what I have already said: ...
Good thinking, Rex! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: jareds [jareds@verizon.net]
> FLying in DC's restricted airspace requires monitoring and switching
> between several frequencies.
I can't answer your question, Jared, but I'd like to take the opportunity to mention
that maritime VHF has a function called Dual Watch where you can listen
to two channels at the same time, having one as the priority one (usually the
Ch 16, Calling and Emergency Channel). The point is; you can watch two frequencies
with only one receiver. The radio is constantly monitoring the second frequency
and cut in when it is modulated, hence the need to allocate a priority.
... shouldn't something similar be interesting for aviation?
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
Jared,
Consider changing your radio to a Garmin (formerly Apollo) SL40 comm.
On this unit you can monitor the standby frequency. If there activity on the
primary frequency, that will over-ride the standby.
Cliff
>
> FLying in DC's restricted airspace requires monitoring and switching
> between several frequencies. I'm wanting to incorporate a handheld
> along with my tiny Microair dash intercom system? Anyone tackled that
> and could a person just plug right in to the existing jacks?
>
> Jared
>
>
> Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
> >
> >I've noticed that "Airdale" has a bungee type main gear that has a 10.5"
> >wider
> >stance than the standard Kitfox main gear. They claim that it improves
> >handling
> >on the ground. Has anyone out there tried it?
> >
> >I haven't exactly tried it but the track on the spring aluminium Groves
> >undercarriage that I have is also wider than the standard Kitfox bungee
u/c
> >and I believe my plane is less prone to ground loops because of this
point.
> >It's obvious that if you have a wider track it is easier to keep the C of
G
> >behind the main wheels. It's when you don't that she comes around.
> >
> >Rex
> >rexjan@bigpond.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Three blade prop & 3:1 gearbox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
My pleasure Robert.
Gary A
Lite2/582
Gary, that's great information. Thanks for your help.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
I have the 70" x 2 blade in flight adjustable prop so my pitch is variable.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have just fitted the Skystar rad scoop to my Lite2 / 582 and although the
installation looks great it appears I now have an overheating problem.
I previously had the rad lowered about 1-1/2" and the temps were perfect. To
fit the rad scoop I had to mount the rad flush with the fuselage I had hoped
that the shape of the scoop would be more efficient and overcome this
problem but once I reached normal running temperature I didn't even have
time to taxi to the strip before my temps were over 200 deg F.
In flight the scoop would probably work fine but I'm not prepared to take
off with temps this high. It wasn't a hot day yesterday either so if anyone
has any experience with the rad scoop I would appreciate your input
Gary A
Lite2/582
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I don't have the lite, Model 5 Vixen, but same problem. The air on the
ground doesn't flow enough for cooling on the ground with the radiator up
close to the belly. Mine is farther back but similar situation. My final
solution is going to be hopefully a well designed scoop to get rid of that
big, I mean big brick under my plane and two small thermostat controlled
electric fans. I tried putting streamers on a stick to check the flow and
didn't detect much difference. It just physically works about 3 inches lower
than the belly. My radiator almost spans the width and is 6 inches tall,
quite a drag make even for a kitfox.
Rick N6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Algate
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rad scoop
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I have just fitted the Skystar rad scoop to my Lite2 / 582 and although the
installation looks great it appears I now have an overheating problem.
I previously had the rad lowered about 1-1/2" and the temps were perfect. To
fit the rad scoop I had to mount the rad flush with the fuselage I had hoped
that the shape of the scoop would be more efficient and overcome this
problem but once I reached normal running temperature I didn't even have
time to taxi to the strip before my temps were over 200 deg F.
In flight the scoop would probably work fine but I'm not prepared to take
off with temps this high. It wasn't a hot day yesterday either so if anyone
has any experience with the rad scoop I would appreciate your input
Gary A
Lite2/582
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| Subject: | Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
am I missing the point here? all of the "compression" load is contained in the
loop from rudder arms to tail wheel arms, none is passed on to the cables/pedals.
It seems to me that the problem with pedal failure is during braking (breaking)
maximum pressure is applied to the cables and rudder arms and post.
John Kerr, 700 hours, 2500 landings, original maule wheel
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>
> Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about this
> previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could possibly
> have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've always
> used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I did
> was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off. However, I
> still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
> Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
> Darrel
> >
> > Those light springs in the cabin just keep the cables from flopping in
> the
> > case of no foot pressure on the pedals. So foot pressure and those light
> > springs both contribute to cable tension. The cables between the pedals
> and
> > rudder horns under tension become a solid link. The rudder horns are
> > connected via chains and the springs we are discussing to the tail wheel
> > steering horns. Now any pressure turning or attempting to turn the tail
> > wheel is applied back through the chains and discussed springs to the
> rudder
> > cables that will pull against foot pressure. Now excess force that is
> > applied back is absorbed by those discussed springs. If the springs are
> the
> > original tension springs then they just stretch out more and more as more
> > excess force is applied. However if one swaps those tension springs for
> > compression springs they squeeze up rather than stretch out BUT can only
> > squeeze until we get coil bind at which point something has to give, That
> > could be the wheel resisting the force trying to turn it, your foot forced
> > back on the appropriate pedal or the locking device in the tail wheel
> > letting go and allowing the tail wheel to swivel. The other thing though
> is
> > there is more tension on the appropriate rudder cable while this is
> > happening because that compression spring has closed right up to the point
> > of coil bind and become a solid in effect. The original tension spring
> would
> > just keep stretching and even although as it does the pressure is ever
> > increasing it is not like a solid the compression spring becomes. Also as
> > the compression spring reaches coil bind there is a jarring moment that is
> > taken in the whole line including the appropriate cable.
> > The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable is
> my
> > concern. I am not saying it is a problem. In fact I was asking if any one
> > had thought about it and/or decided it was a worry or problem.
> > Should a rudder cable fail during a ground roll it would probably cause a
> > ground loop at the least. However if a cable failed in flight due to
> > previous strain on the ground it would not be nice either and some clever
> > flying at least would be needed to get out of it and a change of underwear
> > if not a coffin would be called for. I suppose one could compromise with a
> > hospital !
> >
> > Rex.
> > PS
> > I do agree that the compression springs would most likely give better
> > control. It's a matter of relative tensions.
> > rexjan@bigpond.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
am I missing the point here? all of the "compression" load is contained in the
loop from rudder arms to tail wheel arms, none is passed on to the cables/pedals.
It seems to me that the problem with pedal failure is during braking (breaking)
maximum pressure is applied to the cables and rudder arms and post.
John Kerr, 700 hours, 2500 landings, original maule wheel
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <MORID@NORTHLAND.LIB.MI.US>
Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about this
previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could possibly
have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've always
used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I did
was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off. However, I
still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
Darrel
Those light springs in the cabin just keep the cables from flopping in
the
case of no foot pressure on the pedals. So foot
pressure and those light
springs both contribute to cable tension. The cables between the pedals
and
rudder horns under tension become a solid link. The rudder horns are
connected via chains and the springs we are discussing to the tail wheel
steering horns. Now any pressure turning or attempting to turn the tail
wheel is applied back through the chains and discussed springs to the
rudder
cables that will pull against foot pressure. Now excess force that is
applied back is absorbed by those discussed springs. If the springs are
the
original tension springs then they just stretch out more and more as more
excess force is applied. However if one swaps those tension springs for
compression springs they squeeze up rather than stretch out BUT can only
squeeze until we get coil bind at which point somet
hing has to give, That
could be the wheel resisting the force trying to turn it, your foot forced
back on the appropriate pedal or the locking device in the tail wheel
letting go and allowing the tail wheel to swivel. The other thing though
is
there is more tension on the appropriate rudder cable while this is
happening because that compression spring has closed right up to the point
of coil bind and become a solid in effect. The original tension spring
would
just keep stretching and even although as it does the pressure is ever
increasing it is not like a solid the compression spring becomes. Also as
the compression spring reaches coil bind there is a jarring moment that is
taken in the whole line including the appropriate cable.
The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable is
&
gt; my
concern. I am not saying it is a problem. In fact I was asking if any one
had thought about it and/or decided it was a worry or problem.
Should a rudder cable fail during a ground roll it would probably cause a
ground loop at the least. However if a cable failed in flight due to
previous strain on the ground it would not be nice either and some clever
flying at least would be needed to get out of it and a change of underwear
if not a coffin would be called for. I suppose one could compromise with a
hospital !
Rex.
PS
I do agree that the compression springs would most likely give better
control. It's a matter of relative tensions.
rexjan@bigpond.com
/chat
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| Subject: | Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I also have been using the tension springs and have 600 hours - not quite
the 700 hours Darrel has and have safety wired them per Bruce Harrington. I
do wonder, though of the effects of a broken spring. I just might see what
might be done to put a little piece of cable inside the spring to be used as
a safety catch in the event of a spring failure.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about this
> previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could possibly
> have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've
always
> used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I did
> was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off. However,
I
> still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
> Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
> Darrel
> >
> > Those light springs in the cabin just keep the cables from flopping in
> the
> > case of no foot pressure on the pedals. So foot pressure and those light
> > springs both contribute to cable tension. The cables between the pedals
> and
> > rudder horns under tension become a solid link. The rudder horns are
> > connected via chains and the springs we are discussing to the tail wheel
> > steering horns. Now any pressure turning or attempting to turn the tail
> > wheel is applied back through the chains and discussed springs to the
> rudder
> > cables that will pull against foot pressure. Now excess force that is
> > applied back is absorbed by those discussed springs. If the springs are
> the
> > original tension springs then they just stretch out more and more as
more
> > excess force is applied. However if one swaps those tension springs for
> > compression springs they squeeze up rather than stretch out BUT can only
> > squeeze until we get coil bind at which point something has to give,
That
> > could be the wheel resisting the force trying to turn it, your foot
forced
> > back on the appropriate pedal or the locking device in the tail wheel
> > letting go and allowing the tail wheel to swivel. The other thing though
> is
> > there is more tension on the appropriate rudder cable while this is
> > happening because that compression spring has closed right up to the
point
> > of coil bind and become a solid in effect. The original tension spring
> would
> > just keep stretching and even although as it does the pressure is ever
> > increasing it is not like a solid the compression spring becomes. Also
as
> > the compression spring reaches coil bind there is a jarring moment that
is
> > taken in the whole line including the appropriate cable.
> > The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable is
> my
> > concern. I am not saying it is a problem. In fact I was asking if any
one
> > had thought about it and/or decided it was a worry or problem.
> > Should a rudder cable fail during a ground roll it would probably cause
a
> > ground loop at the least. However if a cable failed in flight due to
> > previous strain on the ground it would not be nice either and some
clever
> > flying at least would be needed to get out of it and a change of
underwear
> > if not a coffin would be called for. I suppose one could compromise with
a
> > hospital !
> >
> > Rex.
> > PS
> > I do agree that the compression springs would most likely give
better
> > control. It's a matter of relative tensions.
> > rexjan@bigpond.com
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Jared & Michel,
My Morrow GX-65 GPS/COM has that feature and works just fine.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>
>
>>From: jareds [jareds@verizon.net]
>>FLying in DC's restricted airspace requires monitoring and switching
>>between several frequencies.
>>
>>
>
>I can't answer your question, Jared, but I'd like to take the opportunity to mention
that maritime VHF has a function called Dual Watch where you can listen
to two channels at the same time, having one as the priority one (usually the
Ch 16, Calling and Emergency Channel). The point is; you can watch two frequencies
with only one receiver. The radio is constantly monitoring the second frequency
and cut in when it is modulated, hence the need to allocate a priority.
>
>... shouldn't something similar be interesting for aviation?
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
A dear friend whom has an Avid Flyer on Floats was asking me to ask those
whom have installed the Vortex Generators on their Kitfox about the
distance from the leading edge of their respective wings . He has heard
about several different conflicting placements of these and does not know of
a placement on a Kitfox or Avid what so ever . Many thanks
Chuck
Model IV 912
Model II 582 Floats
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| Subject: | Trailering a Kitfox on Floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
I was wondering as next month I will be attending the Sea Plane Fly In
held every year in Maine at Moosehead Lake . I have attended for 7 years and
now will finally have the time to bring my Fox along . Since this will be
about a 15 hour drive with my trailer I am curious on if there is anyone out
there that has trailered their Kitfox with the Full Lotus Floats and how you
would support the fuselage and tail ?
Many Thanks
Chuck
Model IV 912
Model II 582 Floats
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
List
I just got back from the arcives and got a weath of info for my
friend there . Even a nice picture of Jim Shumaker's beautiful Fox with a
detailed picture of them on his lane .
Chuck
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| Subject: | Hey. Chuck Worn elevator Hinge? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Chuck,
Sounds like your going to have fun at the Sea Plane Fly.
I have a question for you.
The holes in one of my elevator hinges are a little worn. (I can move the
elevator up and down at the hinge 1/32" of an inch.) The rest of the hinges
are okay.
How worn can an elevator hinge be before being replaced?
Is there a way to remove the play?
Do I need to worry about flutter?
Robert
KF Model II 430 hours
San Diego
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck & Vicki
Tippett
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
--> <planecrazy@erols.com>
I was wondering as next month I will be attending the Sea Plane Fly In
held every year in Maine at Moosehead Lake . I have attended for 7 years and
now will finally have the time to bring my Fox along . Since this will be
about a 15 hour drive with my trailer I am curious on if there is anyone out
there that has trailered their Kitfox with the Full Lotus Floats and how you
would support the fuselage and tail ?
Many Thanks
Chuck
Model IV 912
Model II 582 Floats
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aerobatics@aol.com
I have flown it......
it is awsome .... but it has been on the market for some time at 48k ....
Like realestate, its worth what some one is willing to pay....unfortunately
Ihave a KF2 and seriously concidering it..but I am out of the country
(China) for about 10 days...
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
good idea!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
> I also have been using the tension springs and have 600 hours - not quite
> the 700 hours Darrel has and have safety wired them per Bruce Harrington.
I
> do wonder, though of the effects of a broken spring. I just might see
what
> might be done to put a little piece of cable inside the spring to be used
as
> a safety catch in the event of a spring failure.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at
all
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
<morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> >
> > Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about
this
> > previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could
possibly
> > have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've
> always
> > used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I
did
> > was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off.
However,
> I
> > still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
> > Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
> > Darrel
> > >
> > > Those light springs in the cabin just keep the cables from flopping
in
> > the
> > > case of no foot pressure on the pedals. So foot pressure and those
light
> > > springs both contribute to cable tension. The cables between the
pedals
> > and
> > > rudder horns under tension become a solid link. The rudder horns are
> > > connected via chains and the springs we are discussing to the tail
wheel
> > > steering horns. Now any pressure turning or attempting to turn the
tail
> > > wheel is applied back through the chains and discussed springs to the
> > rudder
> > > cables that will pull against foot pressure. Now excess force that is
> > > applied back is absorbed by those discussed springs. If the springs
are
> > the
> > > original tension springs then they just stretch out more and more as
> more
> > > excess force is applied. However if one swaps those tension springs
for
> > > compression springs they squeeze up rather than stretch out BUT can
only
> > > squeeze until we get coil bind at which point something has to give,
> That
> > > could be the wheel resisting the force trying to turn it, your foot
> forced
> > > back on the appropriate pedal or the locking device in the tail wheel
> > > letting go and allowing the tail wheel to swivel. The other thing
though
> > is
> > > there is more tension on the appropriate rudder cable while this is
> > > happening because that compression spring has closed right up to the
> point
> > > of coil bind and become a solid in effect. The original tension spring
> > would
> > > just keep stretching and even although as it does the pressure is ever
> > > increasing it is not like a solid the compression spring becomes. Also
> as
> > > the compression spring reaches coil bind there is a jarring moment
that
> is
> > > taken in the whole line including the appropriate cable.
> > > The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable
is
> > my
> > > concern. I am not saying it is a problem. In fact I was asking if any
> one
> > > had thought about it and/or decided it was a worry or problem.
> > > Should a rudder cable fail during a ground roll it would probably
cause
> a
> > > ground loop at the least. However if a cable failed in flight due to
> > > previous strain on the ground it would not be nice either and some
> clever
> > > flying at least would be needed to get out of it and a change of
> underwear
> > > if not a coffin would be called for. I suppose one could compromise
with
> a
> > > hospital !
> > >
> > > Rex.
> > > PS
> > > I do agree that the compression springs would most likely give
> better
> > > control. It's a matter of relative tensions.
> > > rexjan@bigpond.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Play Question? Please help. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Robert,
Just wondering if you are talking about the elevator hinges "rod ends",
supporting the elevator, or the hinges to the control surface? The latter
with changeable nylon bearings.
Just replace the nylon bearing, eventually check the clevis bolt for
corrosion. It's best to replace the worn one, this because vibration will
start to wear the other bearings.
About flutter, I'll dont think such a little play will create flutter,
more likely resonance can occur -then lots of wear.
Well, if it's the rod end, -also replace.
Regards
Torgeir.
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:58:08 -0700, Harris, Robert
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> The holes in one of my elevator hinges are a little worn. (I can move the
> elevator up and down at the hinge 1/32" of an inch.) The rest of the
> hinges
> are okay.
>
> How worn can an elevator hinge be before being replaced?
>
> Is there a way to remove the play?
>
> Do I need to worry about flutter?
>
>
> Robert
> KF Model II 430 hours
> San Diego
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <av8rps@tznet.com>
Hi Chuck:
Check out the www.oshkoshseaplanebase.com website photo section to see Bob
Beams Model 3 on Aqua's on his trailer with the wings folded back. His set
up looks pretty simple.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
<planecrazy@erols.com>
>
> I was wondering as next month I will be attending the Sea Plane Fly In
> held every year in Maine at Moosehead Lake . I have attended for 7 years
and
> now will finally have the time to bring my Fox along . Since this will be
> about a 15 hour drive with my trailer I am curious on if there is anyone
out
> there that has trailered their Kitfox with the Full Lotus Floats and how
you
> would support the fuselage and tail ?
> Many Thanks
> Chuck
> Model IV 912
> Model II 582 Floats
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <av8rps@tznet.com>
Believe it or not, according to Harry Riblett, the vortex generators best
placement on the early Avid or Kitfox high lift airfoil is on the underside
(yeah, that's right, the bottom) of the wing a few inches behind the leading
edge. Might sound bizarre, but supposedly it works. (I have a letter that
documents this somewhere)
I also have a friend that has an Avid Magnum he flies on floats (same
airfoil) that has VG's on it (on top the wing). You could try contacting
him at classpix@execpc.com if you want to see what he did.
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
<planecrazy@erols.com>
>
> A dear friend whom has an Avid Flyer on Floats was asking me to ask
those
> whom have installed the Vortex Generators on their Kitfox about the
> distance from the leading edge of their respective wings . He has heard
> about several different conflicting placements of these and does not know
of
> a placement on a Kitfox or Avid what so ever . Many thanks
>
> Chuck
> Model IV 912
> Model II 582 Floats
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi John,
I don't think you are.
The compression spring is MUCH stiffer than the tension one, this create a
much "harder" peak force in the "loop cables" during use of brake /
releasing the tailwheel. The old setup is much softer and sometimes can
be a little tricky to unlock -due to this softness.
The stiff, compression type make the unlock much easier, and you feel more
comfortable in ground handling.
Well, got the compression type a year ago -but not installed anymore in my
Fox, just tested.
(Don't like the more peaky tension.)
When operating in rough fields, I'll think this stiff spring transform
more "stress" to my rudder loop linkage than the "soft" tension type.
Just my opinion.
Torgeir.
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:00:22 +0000, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> am I missing the point here? all of the "compression" load is contained
> in the loop from rudder arms to tail wheel arms, none is passed on to
> the cables/pedals. It seems to me that the problem with pedal failure is
> during braking (breaking) maximum pressure is applied to the cables and
> rudder arms and post.
> John Kerr, 700 hours, 2500 landings, original maule wheel
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
>>
>> Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about this
>> previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could
>> possibly
>> have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've
>> always
>> used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I did
>> was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off.
>> However, I
>> still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
>> Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
>> Darrel
>> >
>> > Those light springs in the cabin just keep the cables from flopping in
>> the
>> > case of no foot pressure on the pedals. So foot pressure and those
>> light
>> > springs both contribute to cable tension. The cables between the
>> pedals
>> and
>> > rudder horns under tension become a solid link. The rudder horns are
>> > connected via chains and the springs we are discussing to the tail
>> wheel
>> > steering horns. Now any pressure turning or attempting to turn the
>> tail
>> > wheel is applied back through the chains and discussed springs to the
>> rudder
>> > cables that will pull against foot pressure. Now excess force that is
>> > applied back is absorbed by those discussed springs. If the springs
>> are
>> the
>> > original tension springs then they just stretch out more and more as
>> more
>> > excess force is applied. However if one swaps those tension springs
>> for
>> > compression springs they squeeze up rather than stretch out BUT can
>> only
>> > squeeze until we get coil bind at which point something has to give,
>> That
>> > could be the wheel resisting the force trying to turn it, your foot
>> forced
>> > back on the appropriate pedal or the locking device in the tail wheel
>> > letting go and allowing the tail wheel to swivel. The other thing
>> though
>> is
>> > there is more tension on the appropriate rudder cable while this is
>> > happening because that compression spring has closed right up to the
>> point
>> > of coil bind and become a solid in effect. The original tension spring
>> would
>> > just keep stretching and even although as it does the pressure is ever
>> > increasing it is not like a solid the compression spring becomes.
>> Also as
>> > the compression spring reaches coil bind there is a jarring moment
>> that is
>> > taken in the whole line including the appropriate cable.
>> > The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable is
>> my
>> > concern. I am not saying it is a problem. In fact I was asking if any
>> one
>> > had thought about it and/or decided it was a worry or problem.
>> > Should a rudder cable fail during a ground roll it would probably
>> cause a
>> > ground loop at the least. However if a cable failed in flight due to
>> > previous strain on the ground it would not be nice either and some
>> clever
>> > flying at least would be needed to get out of it and a change of
>> underwear
>> > if not a coffin would be called for. I suppose one could compromise
>> with a
>> > hospital !
>> >
>> > Rex.
>> > PS
>> > I do agree that the compression springs would most likely give better
>> > control. It's a matter of relative tensions.
>> > rexjan@bigpond.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> am I missing the point here? all of the "compression" load is contained
> in the loop from rudder arms to tail wheel arms, none is passed on to
> the cables/pedals. It seems to me that the problem with pedal failure is
> during braking (breaking) maximum pressure is applied to the cables and
> rudder arms and post.
>
>
> John Kerr, 700 hours, 2500 landings, original maule wheel
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <MORID@NORTHLAND.LIB.MI.US>
>
> Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about this
> previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could
> possibly
> have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've
> always
> used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I did
> was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off.
> However, I
> still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
> Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
> Darrel
>
> Those light springs in the cabin just keep the cables from flopping in
> the
> case of no foot pressure on the pedals. So foot
> pressure and those light
> springs both contribute to cable tension. The cables between the pedals
> and
> rudder horns under tension become a solid link. The rudder horns are
> connected via chains and the springs we are discussing to the tail
> wheel
> steering horns. Now any pressure turning or attempting to turn the tail
> wheel is applied back through the chains and discussed springs to the
> rudder
> cables that will pull against foot pressure. Now excess force that is
> applied back is absorbed by those discussed springs. If the springs are
> the
> original tension springs then they just stretch out more and more as
> more
> excess force is applied. However if one swaps those tension springs for
> compression springs they squeeze up rather than stretch out BUT can
> only
> squeeze until we get coil bind at which point somet
> hing has to give, That
> could be the wheel resisting the force trying to turn it, your foot
> forced
> back on the appropriate pedal or the locking device in the tail wheel
> letting go and allowing the tail wheel to swivel. The other thing
> though
> is
> there is more tension on the appropriate rudder cable while this is
> happening because that compression spring has closed right up to the
> point
> of coil bind and become a solid in effect. The original tension spring
> would
> just keep stretching and even although as it does the pressure is ever
> increasing it is not like a solid the compression spring becomes. Also
> as
> the compression spring reaches coil bind there is a jarring moment
> that is
> taken in the whole line including the appropriate cable.
> The jarring moment and increased pressure applied through the cable is
> &
> gt; my
> concern. I am not saying it is a problem. In fact I was asking if any
> one
> had thought about it and/or decided it was a worry or problem.
> Should a rudder cable fail during a ground roll it would probably
> cause a
> ground loop at the least. However if a cable failed in flight due to
> previous strain on the ground it would not be nice either and some
> clever
> flying at least would be needed to get out of it and a change of
> underwear
> if not a coffin would be called for. I suppose one could compromise
> with a
> hospital !
>
> Rex.
> PS
> I do agree that the compression springs would most likely give better
> control. It's a matter of relative tensions.
> rexjan@bigpond.com
>
>
> /chat
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
John King wrote:
> My Morrow GX-65 GPS/COM has that feature and works just fine.
Thanks John. I understood that it existed for aviation when I read Cliff's
message just a few minutes after I posted mine. So, Dual Watch exists also in
aviation. When I grow up, I'll put one like that in my plane! :-)
While on the subject of radio, why is it that aviation is still using amplitude
modulated VHF? When I compare with the maritime VHF that is frequency modulate,
I see the big advantage of the latter, much less interference. Of course, the
FM mode is also more selective, a bad signal will be unheard or by intermittance.
Just wondering.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <av8rps@tznet.com>
btw. The picture your are looking for is in the last section of photo pages
for 2003.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: <av8rps@tznet.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <av8rps@tznet.com>
>
> Hi Chuck:
>
> Check out the www.oshkoshseaplanebase.com website photo section to see Bob
> Beams Model 3 on Aqua's on his trailer with the wings folded back. His
set
> up looks pretty simple.
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailering a Kitfox on Floats
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
> <planecrazy@erols.com>
> >
> > I was wondering as next month I will be attending the Sea Plane Fly
In
> > held every year in Maine at Moosehead Lake . I have attended for 7 years
> and
> > now will finally have the time to bring my Fox along . Since this will
be
> > about a 15 hour drive with my trailer I am curious on if there is anyone
> out
> > there that has trailered their Kitfox with the Full Lotus Floats and how
> you
> > would support the fuselage and tail ?
> > Many Thanks
> > Chuck
> > Model IV 912
> > Model II 582 Floats
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I think it won't effect your rudder cables at all |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Darrel,
My Model IV always had tension springs and it had the problem of rudder
peddle fracture. So I am not sure that it was a function of the type of
rudder to tail wheel springs used. When I was building my Series 6
SkyStar was having trouble delivering tail wheel assemblies. So I
ordered my Maul 8" inflatable tail wheel assembly directly from Aircraft
Spruce. It came with two each of both compression and tension springs.
Do not archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Fox5flyer wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>Well said Rex and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've thought about this
>previously and wondered if perhaps the compression springs could possibly
>have been a factor in the many broken rudder peddle assemblies. I've always
>used tension springs and have had no problems with them. One thing I did
>was to close up the end hooks slightly so they couldn't pop off. However, I
>still don't understand how compression springs can give better control.
>Total of nearly 700 kitfox hours and none have popped off.
>Darrel
>
>
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| Subject: | Hinge Play Question? Please help. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Oh, Thanks Torgeir. That is great news. My hinges to the control surface are
worn. I thought I was going to have to tear my elevator fabric off to
replace my hinge.
I'll look for some nylon bearings. Maybe Aircraft Spruce or Skystar sell
them.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hinge Play Question? Please help.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Robert,
Just wondering if you are talking about the elevator hinges "rod ends",
supporting the elevator, or the hinges to the control surface? The latter
with changeable nylon bearings.
Just replace the nylon bearing, eventually check the clevis bolt for
corrosion. It's best to replace the worn one, this because vibration will
start to wear the other bearings.
About flutter, I'll dont think such a little play will create flutter,
more likely resonance can occur -then lots of wear.
Well, if it's the rod end, -also replace.
Regards
Torgeir.
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:58:08 -0700, Harris, Robert
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> The holes in one of my elevator hinges are a little worn. (I can move the
> elevator up and down at the hinge 1/32" of an inch.) The rest of the
> hinges
> are okay.
>
> How worn can an elevator hinge be before being replaced?
>
> Is there a way to remove the play?
>
> Do I need to worry about flutter?
>
>
> Robert
> KF Model II 430 hours
> San Diego
>
>
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| Subject: | Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Question: Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our
Kitfox? Is the number of new pilots going to increase dramatically because of
Sport Pilot?
Opinion: I don't know about the value of our Kitfox but, I don't believe
Sport Pilot is going to flood the market with new pilots.
I ask this because I'm considering selling my Fox. What's your opinion?
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
This came up on a search. The conclusion seems to say "don't use the stuff
on moving parts that use o-rings.
Darrel
NTSB Identification: LAX91LA150 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 45273.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, March 30, 1991 in HILT, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 4/8/1993
Aircraft: BEECH A35, registration: N584B
Injuries: 1 Uninjured.
A SEALANT BY THE NAME OF 'FUELUBE' WAS SUBSTITUTED FOR A LUBRICANT FOR THE
'O' RINGS SEALS IN THE FUEL SELECTOR/MANUAL FUEL PUMP DURING MAINTENANCE.
THE PILOT STATED THAT 10 OPERATIONAL HOURS AFTER THE APPLICATION OF
'FUELUBE' HE EXPERIENCED BINDING IN THE FUEL SELECTOR WHEN HE ATTEMPTED TO
CHANGE TANKS AND THE HE WAS UNABLE TO FEEL THE DETENT POSITION. HE ATTEMPTED
TO CHANGED FUEL TANK WHILE ON ACROSS COUNTRY FLIGHT AND THE ENGINE FAILED
FROM FUEL STARVATION. HE EXECUTED A FORCED LANDING TO AN OPEN, ROCK STREWN,
FIELD THAT IMPARTED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGED TO THE AIRCRAFT DURING TOUCH DOWN.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of
this accident as follows:
THE APPLICATION OF A SEALANT INSTEAD OF A LUBRICANT TO THE INTERNAL 'O'
RINGS SEALS IN THE FUEL SELECTOR BY MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL. FACTORS
CONTRIBUTING TO THE ACCIDENT WERE THE PILOT'S INABILITY TO SELECT A FUEL
SOURCE AND FUEL STARVATION THAT RESULTED IN AN ENGINE FAILURE. ROUGH TERRAIN
AT THE LANDING SITE WAS ALSO A FACTOR IN THE ACCIDENT.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 plug wires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
I replaced all the spark plug caps on my 912. They originally had the old
aircraft screw-on type caps. I had to change them to use the cheaper NKG
plugs. I got them from Lockwood Aviation.
Jerry Kohles M3-912
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Shiple" <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 plug wires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
>
> A friend with a newly completed Zenair 701/912 had two spark plug caps
burned by the heat shield on the exhaust header- much less room under that
cowl than we see. He's re-routed the exhaust, but needs to replace the caps.
Does anyone know if the spark plug wire can be separated at the cap or will
he need to replace the cap and wire back to the ignition module as a single
unit? The Rotax catalogue does not list a separate spark plug cap.
> Fred
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
Don, I personally do not believe it will increase the value. Value or sale
price, is what ever the buyer is willing to pay.
Also consider the large number of new planes that will be entering the
market as LSA's. If you decide to sale, I hope you get the price your
asking. However the seller in most cases thinks his product is worth more
than what the buyer is willing to pay. Just like trading cars, you always
think your trade in is worth more than the dealership is will to give for
it.
> Question: Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our
> Kitfox? Is the number of new pilots going to increase dramatically
because of
> Sport Pilot?
Opinion: I don't know about the value of our Kitfox but, I don't believe
> Sport Pilot is going to flood the market with new pilots.
> I ask this because I'm considering selling my Fox. What's your opinion?
> Don Smythe
>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Adv. - Surplus Aircraft Tools from BrownTool - Adv. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: BrownTool@aol.com
This is an ADVERTISEMENT - DO NOT ARCHIVE
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have just received a large shipment of surplus-used aircraft tools from a major
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Guns, and Drill Attachments - complete descriptions, pictures, and pricing are
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=A0
This is a great opportunity to purchase high quality, industrial grade
aircraft tools at a fraction of their new cost.
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complete with 1-1/2" Jaw=A0for only $479.95
=A0
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=A0
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Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co.
3801 S. Meridian Ave.
Oklahoma City, OK 73119
=A0
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405-688-6888
=A0
DO NOT ARCHIVE
=A0
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Don,
I thinkwe should allstand our ground and not give our Kitfox's away. I personnaly
believe that when someone builds there plane, theyshould be compensated for
there time and effort and not have to take a loss if he decides to sell especiallywhen
he hasminimal hours on the plane.Makes no sense to me! We as the owners
are the ones setting these prices. When I see a fairlynewKitfoxlisted at the
prices they have been listingfor it just .......... I am presently selling
one of my Kitfox's Model IV and this is why I have such a strong opinion on Kitfox
prices and for people who are willing to give them away and set the prices
so low.
Just my opinion!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "RICHARD HUTSON" rhutson@midsouth.rr.com Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:24:56 -0500 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD
HUTSON" rhutson@midsouth.rr.com Don, I personally do not believe it will
increase the value. Value or sale price, is what ever the buyer is willing to
pay. Also consider the large number of new planes that will be entering the market
as LSA's. If you decide to sale, I hope you get the price your asking. However
the seller in most cases thinks his product is worth more than what the
buyer is willing to pay. Just like trading cars, you always think your trade
in is worth more than the dealership is will to give for it. Question: Is the
Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our Kitfox? Is the nu
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Don,
I sure hope you are not giving up flying. You have to have something exciting
and fun
to do to make for a good life!
I think there will be an increase in Sport Pilots by some of our generations,
and also
some younger people. So there may be an increase in the value of our a/c.
Please don't make me sad!
Regards,
bh
> Question: Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our
> Kitfox? Is the number of new pilots going to increase dramatically because of
> Sport Pilot?
>
> Opinion: I don't know about the value of our Kitfox but, I don't believe
> Sport Pilot is going to flood the market with new pilots.
>
> I ask this because I'm considering selling my Fox. What's your opinion?
>
> Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Yes I believe that the new Sport Pilot rule wil; re-vitalize Sport Aviation
in this country. Yes, our aircraft are more valuable...we're already seeing
a surge int eh marketplace and a faster turnover rate in the aircraft that
are placed on the market for sale.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Question: Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our
> Kitfox? Is the number of new pilots going to increase dramatically
because of
> Sport Pilot?
>
> Opinion: I don't know about the value of our Kitfox but, I don't believe
> Sport Pilot is going to flood the market with new pilots.
>
> I ask this because I'm considering selling my Fox. What's your opinion?
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Don,
I do believe the Sport Pilot will help hold the line as far as value is
concerned. It may increase slightly. Basic rule is supply and demand and
the buyer will look at the price first.. won't consider the differences...
eg. 503 vs 912S.
I feel that Sport Pilot will help GA aviation significantly but I do not see
a flooding of new pilots. I see Ultralighters getting licensed and the
existing older pilot base starting to fly again.
I haven't seen any advertising outside the GA materials.. and most of those
are read by pilots already.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Question: Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our
Kitfox? Is the number of new pilots going to increase dramatically because
of
Sport Pilot?
Opinion: I don't know about the value of our Kitfox but, I don't believe
Sport Pilot is going to flood the market with new pilots.
I ask this because I'm considering selling my Fox. What's your opinion?
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | NSI Ignition pickup |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
I have lost the left side pickup on my NSI Turbo. Has about 6 hrs. on it. Has anyone
had this problem? I pulled the gearbox off. (Seal was leaking again anyway).
Gave it a magnifying glass inspection. No damage. Cut the wires at the pickup
to make sure I did not have a broken wire or a plug problem. It is without
a doubt open. It looks like I have to find the whole mount with both pickups
in it. They look pretty well glued in. It died on start of takeoff roll. The
tach got erratic then did a couple of bounces then nothing. Pulled the throttle,
let the tail settle and back home. Any input would be great.
Albert Smith
Grounded 5TD
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| Subject: | NSI Ignition pickup |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
So the ignition sensor mount you have does not have pinch screws for the
pick ups? I had one fail. However mine was a simple matter of just replacing
the defective sensor. Switch the pick up connector to isolate the component.
Shut down the side that was bad. If she stars then you know its not the
sensor. If she doent it get more complicated.
Rick N6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Comp User
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition pickup
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
I have lost the left side pickup on my NSI Turbo. Has about 6 hrs. on it.
Has anyone had this problem? I pulled the gearbox off. (Seal was leaking
again anyway). Gave it a magnifying glass inspection. No damage. Cut the
wires at the pickup to make sure I did not have a broken wire or a plug
problem. It is without a doubt open. It looks like I have to find the whole
mount with both pickups in it. They look pretty well glued in. It died on
start of takeoff roll. The tach got erratic then did a couple of bounces
then nothing. Pulled the throttle, let the tail settle and back home. Any
input would be great.
Albert Smith
Grounded 5TD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel
My understanding of the use of AM in aviation has to do with the fact that
the airplane nearest the airport will have the greatest power (due to the
cube of the distance rule in radio wave radiation) and will then override
transmissions from aircraft that are further away. Obviously we have the
opposite problem from marine applications. Boats are always low to the
earth and need all the distance they can get from the radio. Aircraft are
sometimes high and can interfere with transmissions at many airports. With
AM the airplane 5 miles out from the airport will override the transmission
from the airplane 15 miles away, even if the closer airplanes radio is not
as powerful or is working poorly.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: 2nd radio
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> John King wrote:
> > My Morrow GX-65 GPS/COM has that feature and works just fine.
>
> Thanks John. I understood that it existed for aviation when I read Cliff's
> message just a few minutes after I posted mine. So, Dual Watch exists also
in
> aviation. When I grow up, I'll put one like that in my plane! :-)
>
> While on the subject of radio, why is it that aviation is still using
amplitude
> modulated VHF? When I compare with the maritime VHF that is frequency
modulate,
> I see the big advantage of the latter, much less interference. Of course,
the
> FM mode is also more selective, a bad signal will be unheard or by
intermittance.
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Chuck
I am impressed that you were able to find what you wanted in the archives.
Hope it answers your questions.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
<planecrazy@erols.com>
>
> A dear friend whom has an Avid Flyer on Floats was asking me to ask
those
> whom have installed the Vortex Generators on their Kitfox about the
> distance from the leading edge of their respective wings . He has heard
> about several different conflicting placements of these and does not know
of
> a placement on a Kitfox or Avid what so ever . Many thanks
>
> Chuck
> Model IV 912
> Model II 582 Floats
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Ignition pickup |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
It looks like they are epoxied into the mount. Any idea why they go bad? No
moving parts inside. Is there a number of the sensor or did you get yours
from NSI? Thanks
Albert
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Ignition pickup |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Albert,
Yes, my left P/U quit too. I got a new one from the
manufacturer and replaced just the one P/U. He wants
the old one back to troubleshoot his design and make
improvements. I believe NSI gave me the contact info.
Make sure you install it with the same clearance.
Mine is a little off and the left ignition is just a
little weaker because of it. It only shows up when
the engine is cold. Once warmed up, I see no
difference left, right, or both. :-)
Like you, I cut the wires to try and find the break.
No luck. It was internal. The P/U's are so simple, I
don't know why they should fail, but it happens.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Comp User <trebla@directinter.net> wrote:
> I have lost the left side pickup on my NSI Turbo.
> Has about 6 hrs. on it. Has anyone had this problem?
> I pulled the gearbox off. (Seal was leaking again
> anyway). Gave it a magnifying glass inspection. No
> damage. Cut the wires at the pickup to make sure I
> did not have a broken wire or a plug problem. It is
> without a doubt open. It looks like I have to find
> the whole mount with both pickups in it. They look
> pretty well glued in. It died on start of takeoff
> roll. The tach got erratic then did a couple of
> bounces then nothing. Pulled the throttle, let the
> tail settle and back home. Any input would be great.
> Albert Smith
> Grounded 5TD
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hey Jared,
I didn't see any direct answers to your question
yet??? Other than replacing your radio....
So I "think" the answer is likely YES, you should be
able to plug the headset output from the hand held
into the intercom input, but you should talk to
Micorair to confirm. I think they will say it works
just like the dash radio, or your CD player, etc. I
am just guessing, but they will give the solid answer.
It should only cost you a cord.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
> Flying in DC's restricted airspace requires
> monitoring and switching between several
frequencies.
> I'm wanting to incorporate a handheld
> along with my tiny Microair dash intercom system?
> Anyone tackled that and could a person just plug
> right in to the existing jacks?
>
> Jared
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I agree entirely. I have been telling everyone I come
across, especially A&P's who don't need to worry about
the Repairman's Certificate. This is a steal and with
excellent workmanship. A showpiece!
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Clifford Begnaud <shoeless@barefootpilot.com>
wrote:
> No kidding folks, this is the deal of a lifetime.
> I've been closely watching the used kitfox market
> for the last 5-6 years and in that time have
> purchased 3, that's right 3, model 5 kitfoxes. So I
> hope you understand that what I say here has some
> research behind it.
> Best Regards,
> Cliff
> Erie, CO
> Kitfox 5 Lycoming 0-235-1/2
> p.s.-heck, this plane was a good deal at the $48,000
> they were asking on
> their web site. I'll bet they have $55k+ invested in
> it.
>
> > That is awesome deal on a great airplane.
>
> > Ok guys,
> > I just got word that the engine for my F1 project
> will ship the end of
> Sept. I REALLY need to sell N24ZM. $35,000 or best
> offer. Pics and info at
> www.aero-kids.com.
> >
> > --
> > Danny Melnik
> > F1 #25
> > Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
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