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1. 01:30 AM - SV: Question and Opinion (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:56 AM - 582 cooling (broschart)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" (Ceashman@aol.com)
4. 04:19 AM - Re: NSI Ignition pickup (Fox5flyer)
5. 04:26 AM - Re: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" (r.thomas@za.pwc.com)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" (VFT@aol.com)
7. 06:38 AM - Re: Thank You.Re: Hinge Play Question? Please help. (Lowell Fitt)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: 912 plug wires (Fred Shiple)
9. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: NSI Ignition pickup (Rick)
10. 06:57 AM - Re: Question and Opinion (Lowell Fitt)
11. 07:00 AM - Re: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" (Rick)
12. 07:13 AM - Re: Question and Opinion (Rick)
13. 07:56 AM - FW: Kitfox tires (Don Pearsall)
14. 07:57 AM - Re: Thank You.Re: Hinge Play Question? Please (Harris, Robert)
15. 08:23 AM - Re: 582 cooling (Bruce Harrington)
16. 08:35 AM - Re: Question and Opinion ()
17. 09:29 AM - Re: Question and Opinion (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
18. 10:36 AM - [Off-topic] FM vs. AM (Michel Verheughe)
19. 10:41 AM - Re: Question and Opinion (Michel Verheughe)
20. 11:48 AM - Re: FW: Kitfox tires (Jay Fabian)
21. 12:51 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (Don)
22. 01:06 PM - Re: FW: Kitfox tires (Don Pearsall)
23. 01:09 PM - Re: FW: Kitfox tires (Lowell Fitt)
24. 01:22 PM - Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM (Lowell Fitt)
25. 01:32 PM - Re: FW: Kitfox tires (Don Pearsall)
26. 02:09 PM - Re: 2nd radio (jareds)
27. 02:59 PM - Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM (Michel Verheughe)
28. 03:08 PM - am I missing the point here? (Rex & Jan Shaw)
29. 03:08 PM - A friend with a newly completed Zenair 701/912 had two spark plug caps (Rex & Jan Shaw)
30. 06:08 PM - Re: A friend with a newly completed Zenair 701/912 had two spark plug caps (Fred Shiple)
31. 09:25 PM - Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM (kurt schrader)
32. 09:37 PM - Re: Question and Opinion (Ceashman@aol.com)
33. 10:10 PM - Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM (jimshumaker)
34. 10:40 PM - Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM (kurt schrader)
35. 11:17 PM - Re: Question and Opinion (Steve Cooper)
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| Subject: | Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Don wrote:
> Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our Kitfox?
Here is my opinion, Don: While Norway is the most expensive country in Europe,
it is not true for second-hand small boats. Why is that? Because no other European
countrie has so many small boats per inhabitant (many Norwegians still need
to cross a fjord or a lake to get to the nearest shop or school).
This creates a big second-hand market. The bigger the market, the more competitive
it is, and prices are moderate.
I think few countries have as many pilots per inhabitant as the US. The logic would
say that second-hand aircraft prices are low in the US. If the number of
pilots and aircraft increase with the Sport Pilot license, the market will keep
low prices and our Kitfoxes won't increase in value.
That's my humble opinion. Disclaimer: I may be comparing oranges and apples and
be completely out of focus, here. But when someone asks my opinion, I can't resist
giving it! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i always couldn't fly in july if the temperature got above 90F do to
over heating of the 582 engine on my mod 4
last year i changed to a leaf #R5290 24 inch radiator and this summer
with a 160 thermostat i never had the temperature go above 160F even at
full power
although this year the july temperature wasn't above 90F, from the way
it has worked i'm sure the over heating problem is solved
i also changed from a gsc to a power fin prop at the same time but doubt
if that is the reason the heating problem is fixed
Have a good day - Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello guys.
This is one opinion.
Your at the airshow/fly in, there are two Kitfox model 5 of the same year and
with the same motor on the grass. You do not notice the owners (lunch time)
so you feel a little more relaxed to look around "no touch" but unhindered.
You, of course, will make a comparison of the construction of the two
aircraft.
One, you notice the instrument panel, and one or two instruments are not
pointing to twelve o'clock. You know, slightly lopsided, And maybe the panel is
covered with a contact film that is wood grain and it is shrinking back because
of the warm temperature.
Looking at the taping job on the fabric you notice that the tape has some
waves and here and that the pinked edges are standing up like little soldiers.
You can see that the builder has had a little problem when fitting the engine
cowl, not quite square and the prop hub doesn't look centered.
By the way, the other aircraft. You look over and ask yourself "why didn't I
do something like this" or I should have spent a little more time doing
something and I would have got my, whateveritis to look like that.
I think we have all seen something like this.
The question is, which aircraft is worth more money? Today, on the grass,
together, with an educated eye (you) No doubt, you would pay more money for the
jewel of a plane!
But when the person wants to sell that excellent craft at some other date!
His competition is the builder who did build the airplane in less than Skystar's
suggested build time, and has little regard to his quality (or lack off) or
probably know that it was a slap happy construction job. He is probably going
to ask far less money when he wants to sell.
Now lets consider the general public. Someone who has not even considered
building an aircraft. Doesn't know what a quality job looks like. But is on the
look out for a Kitfox. He reads in the aircraft trader that two Model 5, s are
for sale, by all accounts they are identical. One is going for $32,000 and the
other for $45,000.
I think the chances are, that the he will purchase the lower priced aircraft
(why not, it is certified as airworthy)! and he does not have an educated eye.
I think this has a lot to do with the low price we ask for our airplanes.
Another way to put it.
You move into a home in a $200,000 neighborhood. after a year, you do some
major alterations and landscaping a couple of years you want to sell. You know
you will loose a lot of money. It was not an investment!
My ideas only.
Eric. Classic IV. Atlanta
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: NSI Ignition pickup |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I had a problem with mine that lead me to believe the pickup was bad. I
talked to Lance and he said that he had a batch that had some bad ones in it
and I may have received one of them. Even though they have no moving parts
they have very small wires in them and occasionally one may fracture. I
purchased a complete assembly, installed it and found the problem was still
there. It ended up being the spark plugs. Those pickups aren't cheap so
before you plop your money down make sure that the pickup is actually bad.
Darrel
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From: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition pickup
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
>
> I have lost the left side pickup on my NSI Turbo. Has about 6 hrs. on it.
Has anyone had this problem? I pulled the gearbox off. (Seal was leaking
again anyway). Gave it a magnifying glass inspection. No damage. Cut the
wires at the pickup to make sure I did not have a broken wire or a plug
problem. It is without a doubt open. It looks like I have to find the whole
mount with both pickups in it. They look pretty well glued in. It died on
start of takeoff roll. The tach got erratic then did a couple of bounces
then nothing. Pulled the throttle, let the tail settle and back home. Any
input would be great.
> Albert Smith
> Grounded 5TD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" |
25/08/2004 12:26:14,
Serialize complete at 25/08/2004 12:26:14
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: r.thomas@za.pwc.com
To add to Eric's scenario, one also needs to remember that there may be
more people with $32k available to spend on a recreation, than what there
are with $40k available, thus concluding that the cheaper ones will move
faster than more expensive ones.
Ceashman@aol.com
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25/08/2004 12:53 PM
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello guys.
This is one opinion.
Your at the airshow/fly in, there are two Kitfox model 5 of the same year
and
with the same motor on the grass. You do not notice the owners (lunch
time)
so you feel a little more relaxed to look around "no touch" but
unhindered.
You, of course, will make a comparison of the construction of the two
aircraft.
One, you notice the instrument panel, and one or two instruments are not
pointing to twelve o'clock. You know, slightly lopsided, And maybe the
panel is
covered with a contact film that is wood grain and it is shrinking back
because
of the warm temperature.
Looking at the taping job on the fabric you notice that the tape has some
waves and here and that the pinked edges are standing up like little
soldiers.
You can see that the builder has had a little problem when fitting the
engine
cowl, not quite square and the prop hub doesn't look centered.
By the way, the other aircraft. You look over and ask yourself "why didn't
I
do something like this" or I should have spent a little more time doing
something and I would have got my, whateveritis to look like that.
I think we have all seen something like this.
The question is, which aircraft is worth more money? Today, on the grass,
together, with an educated eye (you) No doubt, you would pay more money
for the
jewel of a plane!
But when the person wants to sell that excellent craft at some other date!
His competition is the builder who did build the airplane in less than
Skystar's
suggested build time, and has little regard to his quality (or lack off)
or
probably know that it was a slap happy construction job. He is probably
going
to ask far less money when he wants to sell.
Now lets consider the general public. Someone who has not even considered
building an aircraft. Doesn't know what a quality job looks like. But is
on the
look out for a Kitfox. He reads in the aircraft trader that two Model 5, s
are
for sale, by all accounts they are identical. One is going for $32,000 and
the
other for $45,000.
I think the chances are, that the he will purchase the lower priced
aircraft
(why not, it is certified as airworthy)! and he does not have an educated
eye.
I think this has a lot to do with the low price we ask for our airplanes.
Another way to put it.
You move into a home in a $200,000 neighborhood. after a year, you do some
major alterations and landscaping a couple of years you want to sell. You
know
you will loose a lot of money. It was not an investment!
My ideas only.
Eric. Classic IV. Atlanta
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: VFT@aol.com
Sport Pilot has in my opinion reduced the value of my aircraft. In the time that
N24ZM has been for sale I could have sold it 10 times for a lot more than I'm
asking now if it could have qualified as a LSA.
--
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
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| Subject: | Re: Hinge Play Question? Please help. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Robert, I don't think the hinge liners is actually Nylon, but rather cut
lengths of Polyethylene tubing found easily at hardware stores.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Thank You.RE: Kitfox-List: Hinge Play Question? Please help.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Oh, Thanks Torgeir. That is great news. My hinges to the control surface
are
> worn. I thought I was going to have to tear my elevator fabric off to
> replace my hinge.
>
> I'll look for some nylon bearings. Maybe Aircraft Spruce or Skystar sell
> them.
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
> Mortensen
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hinge Play Question? Please help.
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
>
> Just wondering if you are talking about the elevator hinges "rod ends",
> supporting the elevator, or the hinges to the control surface? The latter
> with changeable nylon bearings.
>
> Just replace the nylon bearing, eventually check the clevis bolt for
> corrosion. It's best to replace the worn one, this because vibration will
> start to wear the other bearings.
>
> About flutter, I'll dont think such a little play will create flutter,
> more likely resonance can occur -then lots of wear.
>
> Well, if it's the rod end, -also replace.
>
> Regards
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:58:08 -0700, Harris, Robert
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> > <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
> >
> > The holes in one of my elevator hinges are a little worn. (I can move
the
> > elevator up and down at the hinge 1/32" of an inch.) The rest of the
> > hinges
> > are okay.
> >
> > How worn can an elevator hinge be before being replaced?
> >
> > Is there a way to remove the play?
> >
> > Do I need to worry about flutter?
> >
> >
> > Robert
> > KF Model II 430 hours
> > San Diego
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 plug wires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks, Jerry. Looks like they are the only source.
Fred
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I replaced all the spark plug caps on my 912. They originally had the old
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| Subject: | NSI Ignition pickup |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I got mine from NSI. I bet if you set it back they would give you credit
towards a new mount and maybe even replace it free. Six hours is not much
time. They can fail for many reasons, vibration is one. They can fail only
when hot or cold or at a certain harmonic. At least your not chasing a
ghost.
Rick N6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Comp User
Subject: Re: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition pickup
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" <trebla@directinter.net>
It looks like they are epoxied into the mount. Any idea why they go bad? No
moving parts inside. Is there a number of the sensor or did you get yours
from NSI? Thanks
Albert
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Don, My thoughts are initially like Bruce's. Hope this simply means a new
project and not retiring form Kitfox. There have been good posts regarding
prices, I don't think I can offer anything new.
Lowell.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Question: Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our
> Kitfox? Is the number of new pilots going to increase dramatically
because of
> Sport Pilot?
>
> Opinion: I don't know about the value of our Kitfox but, I don't believe
> Sport Pilot is going to flood the market with new pilots.
>
> I ask this because I'm considering selling my Fox. What's your opinion?
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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| Subject: | Question and Opinion "on value of the kit plane" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I am 53 and have always been amused how people will try to haggle the price
of an item, for me usually a car, over the phone. In the case of the
aircraft it couldn't be more true and something that require one on one
shopping. The sad part is experimental rarely go for one what they are worth
and never for what it is worth to the builder. To lighten things up next
time someone calls on the plane and makes a low offer, in this case I think
the asking was 38K, say something like OK 48K. The buyer will almost always
counter by saying you were only asking 38, to which you reply OK then 38 it
is, will you be flying it home or shall we arrange for delivery? :)
Rick N6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Ceashman@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion "on value of the kit
plane"
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
Hello guys.
This is one opinion.
Your at the airshow/fly in, there are two Kitfox model 5 of the same year
and
with the same motor on the grass.
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Michael I think you have it backwards. As demand increases, more potential
pilots, there is nothing that is increasing the number of aircraft. As more
pilot become available they will be competing for the same aircraft in the
market. As demand increases and supply remains constant the price of a given
item will increase to equalize the market. IMHO the planes we have now will
increase in value. The unknown is how much and when. Apples and oranges work
well as long as everyone want an apple and and orange. It is an investment
but one of learning, fun, excitement, friendships and if you get lucky you
break even in the end and have at least one good friend left.
Rick N6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Don wrote:
> Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our Kitfox?
Here is my opinion, Don: While Norway is the most expensive country in
Europe, it is not true for second-hand small boats. Why is that? Because no
other European countrie has so many small boats per inhabitant (many
Norwegians still need to cross a fjord or a lake to get to the nearest shop
or school).
This creates a big second-hand market. The bigger the market, the more
competitive it is, and prices are moderate.
I think few countries have as many pilots per inhabitant as the US. The
logic would say that second-hand aircraft prices are low in the US. If the
number of pilots and aircraft increase with the Sport Pilot license, the
market will keep low prices and our Kitfoxes won't increase in value.
That's my humble opinion. Disclaimer: I may be comparing oranges and apples
and be completely out of focus, here. But when someone asks my opinion, I
can't resist giving it! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | FW: Kitfox tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Does anyone have a source for the tires that Arved needs (see below)?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: Arved von Glass [mailto:avon_glass@web.de]
Subject: Kitfox tires
Dear Don,
I'd be very glad if you could link me to somebody who sells balloon tires
for the kitfox classic.
I had a pair from a taiwanese company (Heng Shin) but apparently they don't
exist anymore.
Best Regards,
Arved
Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist
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help.
| Subject: | Hinge Play Question? Please |
help.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Oh that's fantastic news and will be easy to find. Thanks Lowell.
Robert, I don't think the hinge liners is actually Nylon, but rather cut
lengths of Polyethylene tubing found easily at hardware stores.
Lowell
> > The holes in one of my elevator hinges are a little worn. (I can move
the
> > elevator up and down at the hinge 1/32" of an inch.) The rest of the
> > hinges
> > are okay.
> >
> > How worn can an elevator hinge be before being replaced?
> >
> > Is there a way to remove the play?
> >
> >
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Charlie,
Glad you got that hot weather problem fixed.
Now plan for cool weather (winter) when you will have to cover up the radiator!
I installed a radiator flap on the back, with a vernier control in the cockpit.
Simple fix is to wrap plastic around it and stick with velcro, which I did for
several winters.
Cheers,
bh
> i always couldn't fly in july if the temperature got above 90F do to
> over heating of the 582 engine on my mod 4
> last year i changed to a leaf #R5290 24 inch radiator and this summer
> with a 160 thermostat i never had the temperature go above 160F even at
> full power
> although this year the july temperature wasn't above 90F, from the way
> it has worked i'm sure the over heating problem is solved
> i also changed from a gsc to a power fin prop at the same time but doubt
> if that is the reason the heating problem is fixed
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <av8rps@tznet.com>
My two cents worth....
I think there will be a lot of potential new interest in used Kitfoxes.
Between the ultra light pilots that are now going to be able to move up to a
more substantial airplane, the current private pilots that are just tired of
all the regulation and expense, and the older pilots that struggle with
special issuance medicals (or no medical), the used (experimental) light
sport aircraft market should have just gained a lot more customers looking
for airplanes. Danny Melniks comment earlier about Sport Pilot reducing
their Model V's value (1550 gross too high to qualify) says it all. "Could
have sold it ten ten times already for more than I was asking if it would
have qualified for sport pilot". There are going to be more buyers out
there than ever before. And when you start looking at all the other
airplanes out there, the homebuilt Kitfox represents a fantastic value, as
well as a great history of safety, reliability, and proven versatility and
practicality. Not everyone is going to want to drop 50-80 grand for a
factory built airplane. And not everyone is going to want to build one
either, especially when you realize you will spend 40 grand building your
own. So when you start comparing, spending 35 grand (e.g.) for an already
built and flying Kitfox looks like a true deal.
I think it will take a while to get the momentum going on this program. A
lot of GA pilots have probably never looked hard at the lighter side of
aviation previously, they were too hung up on spam cans. And the ultra
light guys were not looking much either, as what good would it have done
them if they can't fly it? But now, they are all looking. I have a friend
that is developing an airpark here in wisconsin specifically targeting the
Sport Pilot. Even though he is used to operating a 206 Cessna amphib, he
was thoroughly impressed by the Just Aircraft "Highlander" as he feels it
will make a perfect two seat amphib due to it's large cabin, and it's low
aquisition costs. Not 100% certain, but I believe he has two kits on order,
and one already sold to another GA float pilot with the same intentions.
So there is just one example of new activity created by the new rule.
I expect the industry will be inundated with a thousand new aircraft
companies expecting they will get rich overnite. And a couple years from
now, there will be a hundred or so left (remember the early 80's with all
the ultra light manufacturers that seemed to be popping up everywhere? Or
how about the mid to late 40's when everyone was manufacturing aircraft on
the premise that everyone would have their own airplane after the war?) The
ones that survive will become the mainstay of the industry. I have a very
strong belief that you will see the Kitfox / Avid design live through all
this, and be successful for many decades to come. We might see it under a
different name or model number, but it will carry the genes of the originals
most of us are flying today. It's too good of a design to go away. That's
why so many have copied it. That's the same reason there will always be a
good market for it.
Guys, don't give your airplanes away. You have one of the very best sport
pilot aircraft in existence. That has to be worth something...
Paul Seehafer
Wisconsin
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
> Don,
> I do believe the Sport Pilot will help hold the line as far as
value is
> concerned. It may increase slightly. Basic rule is supply and demand and
> the buyer will look at the price first.. won't consider the differences...
> eg. 503 vs 912S.
>
> I feel that Sport Pilot will help GA aviation significantly but I do not
see
> a flooding of new pilots. I see Ultralighters getting licensed and the
> existing older pilot base starting to fly again.
>
> I haven't seen any advertising outside the GA materials.. and most of
those
> are read by pilots already.
>
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Question: Is the Sport Pilot addition going to increase the value of our
> Kitfox? Is the number of new pilots going to increase dramatically
because
> of
> Sport Pilot?
>
> Opinion: I don't know about the value of our Kitfox but, I don't believe
> Sport Pilot is going to flood the market with new pilots.
>
> I ask this because I'm considering selling my Fox. What's your opinion?
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 8/25/04 8:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, av8rps@tznet.com
writes:
> own. So when you start comparing, spending 35 grand (e.g.) for an already
> built and flying Kitfox looks like a true deal.
>
>
OK guys, you drive a hard bargain but, I give in. I'll take the first 35
grand that comes along. Of course, I was only going to ask about 20 but a deal
is a deal.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] FM vs. AM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
jimshumaker wrote:
> Boats are always low to the earth and need all the distance they can get from
the radio.
> Aircraft are sometimes high and can interfere with transmissions at many airports.
Yes ... er, I am not sure I understand, Jim. Both airmen and seafarers wish to
have the longest range and they are both limited by the maximum allowed power
output, 25 watts. AM will not be as clear as FM because the amplitude of the
signal will see any interferance (e.g. another station further away) added to
the signal, like the wave made by a boat will add to the crest of the waves
made by the wind. But if the voice frequency is modulated on the bearing
frequency, amplitude doesn't matter. At least that's what I think I understood
when I took my ham license. E.g. on the old broadcasting medium frequency
modulated on AM, you can hear the spark of the thunder on the top of the
signal. But on FM broadcasting stations, you don't hear it.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Rick wrote:
> Michael I think you have it backwards. As demand increases, more potential
> pilots, there is nothing that is increasing the number of aircraft.
You are right, Rick, I was comparing oranges with apples. The difference is
that the small boat market in Norway is old (I understand vikings were already
able seamen! :-) while the demand for more light aircraft in the US is new and
it will take some time before the offer and demand balances.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Kitfox tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Desser Tires has them . They are the ground down type, and I have 80 hours
on them sofar and like them. They are about $60.00 each plus a tube for
safety.
Jay Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: FW: Kitfox tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Does anyone have a source for the tires that Arved needs (see below)?
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arved von Glass [mailto:avon_glass@web.de]
> To: dpearsall@sportflight.com
> Subject: Kitfox tires
>
> Dear Don,
> I'd be very glad if you could link me to somebody who sells balloon tires
> for the kitfox classic.
> I had a pair from a taiwanese company (Heng Shin) but apparently they
don't
> exist anymore.
> Best Regards,
> Arved
> Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist
> WEB.DE Video-Mail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don" <donfox@inreach.com>
I moved mine back 4 inches from the leading edge,or 10% of the chord. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett" <planecrazy@erols.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vortex Generators
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
<planecrazy@erols.com>
>
> A dear friend whom has an Avid Flyer on Floats was asking me to ask
those
> whom have installed the Vortex Generators on their Kitfox about the
> distance from the leading edge of their respective wings . He has heard
> about several different conflicting placements of these and does not know
of
> a placement on a Kitfox or Avid what so ever . Many thanks
>
> Chuck
> Model IV 912
> Model II 582 Floats
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Kitfox tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Thanks Jay, I will forward your reply to the original emailer.
Don
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Fabian
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: FW: Kitfox tires
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian"
<experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Desser Tires has them . They are the ground down type, and I have 80 hours
on them sofar and like them. They are about $60.00 each plus a tube for
safety.
Jay Fabian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: FW: Kitfox tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Does anyone have a source for the tires that Arved needs (see below)?
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arved von Glass [mailto:avon_glass@web.de]
> To: dpearsall@sportflight.com
> Subject: Kitfox tires
>
> Dear Don,
> I'd be very glad if you could link me to somebody who sells balloon tires
> for the kitfox classic.
> I had a pair from a taiwanese company (Heng Shin) but apparently they
don't
> exist anymore.
> Best Regards,
> Arved
> Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist
> WEB.DE Video-Mail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Kitfox tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Don, I just talked to Mark, the guy I go my tires from and have his OK to
publish his phone number. He is currently out of stock, but will be getting
more in.
Mark Ferkin - 509-924-7333
The tires are 21x12x8, a little bigger than the original tires, They look
great on the airplane, are not ground full tread tires, but are molded
slick.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: FW: Kitfox tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Does anyone have a source for the tires that Arved needs (see below)?
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arved von Glass [mailto:avon_glass@web.de]
> To: dpearsall@sportflight.com
> Subject: Kitfox tires
>
> Dear Don,
> I'd be very glad if you could link me to somebody who sells balloon tires
> for the kitfox classic.
> I had a pair from a taiwanese company (Heng Shin) but apparently they
don't
> exist anymore.
> Best Regards,
> Arved
> Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist
> WEB.DE Video-Mail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021200
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
I think the practical side to this is that AM was original and FAA to
mandate change would create bunches of anxiety in all the owners that would
have something new to spend money on. And in some cases not just a little
money. And to transition into FM gradually would require duplicate
receiving and transmitting equipment in all the ground stations in the
world. I don't think I would want my name associated with a decision that
would mandate that.
In short, I don't think it has anything to do with signal strength, line of
sight, sound quality, but rather a large in place infrastructure and
economics.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> jimshumaker wrote:
> > Boats are always low to the earth and need all the distance they can get
from the radio.
> > Aircraft are sometimes high and can interfere with transmissions at many
airports.
>
> Yes ... er, I am not sure I understand, Jim. Both airmen and seafarers
wish to
> have the longest range and they are both limited by the maximum allowed
power
> output, 25 watts. AM will not be as clear as FM because the amplitude of
the
> signal will see any interferance (e.g. another station further away) added
to
> the signal, like the wave made by a boat will add to the crest of the
waves
> made by the wind. But if the voice frequency is modulated on the bearing
> frequency, amplitude doesn't matter. At least that's what I think I
understood
> when I took my ham license. E.g. on the old broadcasting medium frequency
> modulated on AM, you can hear the spark of the thunder on the top of the
> signal. But on FM broadcasting stations, you don't hear it.
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Kitfox tires |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Great info, Lowell, and I am sure lots of KF'ers out there will be calling
Mark.
Thanks much,
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: FW: Kitfox tires
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Don, I just talked to Mark, the guy I go my tires from and have his OK to
publish his phone number. He is currently out of stock, but will be getting
more in.
Mark Ferkin - 509-924-7333
The tires are 21x12x8, a little bigger than the original tires, They look
great on the airplane, are not ground full tread tires, but are molded
slick.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: FW: Kitfox tires
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
<donpearsall@comcast.net>
>
> Does anyone have a source for the tires that Arved needs (see below)?
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arved von Glass [mailto:avon_glass@web.de]
> To: dpearsall@sportflight.com
> Subject: Kitfox tires
>
> Dear Don,
> I'd be very glad if you could link me to somebody who sells balloon tires
> for the kitfox classic.
> I had a pair from a taiwanese company (Heng Shin) but apparently they
don't
> exist anymore.
> Best Regards,
> Arved
> Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist
> WEB.DE Video-Mail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021200
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Thanks Kurt,
Yes buying a replacement radio was not the answer to the question.
I'm hoping i can just plug into the headphone jack or at minimum
purchase an intercom box that has a switchable input for talking on one
radio or the other.
Microair's are pretty common now in exp so I thought someone would have
incorporated their old handheld!
Certainly i'll post the burnt/crispy or happy results when i get the
chance to test!
Jared
kurt schrader wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
>
>Hey Jared,
>
>I didn't see any direct answers to your question
>yet??? Other than replacing your radio....
>
>So I "think" the answer is likely YES, you should be
>able to plug the headset output from the hand held
>into the intercom input, but you should talk to
>Micorair to confirm. I think they will say it works
>just like the dash radio, or your CD player, etc. I
>am just guessing, but they will give the solid answer.
> It should only cost you a cord.
>
>Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
>--- jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Flying in DC's restricted airspace requires
>>monitoring and switching between several
>>
>>
>frequencies.
>
>
>>I'm wanting to incorporate a handheld
>>along with my tiny Microair dash intercom system?
>>Anyone tackled that and could a person just plug
>>right in to the existing jacks?
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> In short, I don't think it has anything to do with signal strength, line of
> sight, sound quality, but rather a large in place infrastructure and
> economics.
I think you are right, Lowell. It's like: Why isn't Great Britain driving on
the right hand side of the road? Because it is less expensive to make cars with
the wheel on the right hand, than change all the busses doors and everything
else that need to be changed if driving on the other side of the road.
Another one: Why do we still have QWERTY keyboards when it was designed for
preventing that often used keys, in English, were not too close to each other,
on old typewriters. And another one, why do some people still fly taildraggers
... oops, I fly a taildragger, forget that one! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | am I missing the point here? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Yes I think so ! Due to increased coupling from the tail wheel horns to the
rudder horns as you say, there is therefore more coupling from the tailwheel
to the rudder cables and through the cable under tension to that pedal and
foot. So as the wheel reacts against that there is more pressure on the
cable under tension until the tailwheel breaks away, assuming foot pressure
is increased to counteract the force as would be the logical reaction.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | A friend with a newly completed Zenair 701/912 had two spark |
plug caps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Well on a late model 582 they just screw of the wire. It's just like a brass
wood screw in the cap and this screws into the end of the wire. I imagine a
912 would be the same. Mine are NGK resistor caps.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: A friend with a newly completed Zenair 701/912 had two |
spark plug caps
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Fred Shiple <fredshiple@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Rex. The 912 works the same. We're now trying to find a source for the rubber
cap separate from the internal resistor. Lockwood wants $30 for both as
a set and only the rubber cap was damaged.
Fred
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Well on a late model 582 they just screw of the wire. It's just like a brass
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Good theory Lowell,
When I was in the Marines, I was what is called an
"operational tester" for 3 years. That is someone who
methodically tests what the services are going to buy
to see if it actually works as advertised in war. In
the end, Congress just buys what is in someone's
district whether it works or not, but we at least test
it to see what to fix. That is called a "cost
overrun".
One project I had was the M-16A2. That is the
replacement "better" M-16 in use today. Amoungst
other things, the developer intended to make it longer
to get rid of the "Matel" toy rifle feel and improve
accuracy. I pointed out that they had to include in
the cost the replacement of all the rifle racks in the
armed forces to accommodate the new length. The rifle
you see today is thus the one that would just fit the
old racks. :-)
It is still the "AM" version..... Wonder if I helped?
Kurt S.
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--- Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@inreach.com> wrote:
> I think the practical side to this is that AM was
> original and FAA to mandate change would create
> bunches of anxiety .......
>
> In short, I don't think it has anything to do with
> signal strength, line of sight, sound quality, but
> rather a large in place infrastructure and
economics.
>
> Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>Rick said. It is an investment
>but one of learning, fun, excitement, friendships and if you get lucky you
>break even in the end and have at least one good friend left.
I fully agree, Rick.
I spent nearly 5 years building my Classic IV (off and on) There were times I
couldn't grasp it! There were times I would wake up at 3 O'clock in the
morning with the Kitfox on my mind, and I had to go to the shop and work on it.
And
there were times I couldn't stand it and had to keep away.
But ... what an experience, those building days! I am sure there are a lot of
people like me, that suffered builders withdrawal. Yes, you kind of miss that
part of the process.
In fact I missed it so much that when I had an opportunity to buy a plans
build project off of someone, I jumped at the chance.
And the building and the early mornings continue. (what a blast) And this is
priceless.
I nearly forgot. What is it worth to experience that first flight in the
aircraft you built yourself? No one can ever imagine it, unless you made it
yourself. Double priceless!!
Cheers, Eric, Classic IV. Atlanta.
Rick N6
e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Michel
Lowell is right about infrastructure, to a degree. You are right about
Brits on the left side of the road. But I heard from a Frenchman that the
Brits planning to change all lorries to start driving on the right side of
the road on Jan 1, 20005. If that works out OK then all autos will change
over on the 5th;
)
On the AM radio thing, aircraft operation density and therefore midair
potential increases by the volume of the air they can occupy. This means
that it is VERY close to the airport that long distance communications do
not interfere with the airplanes that are closer. So it is the area that is
within 5 miles of the airport that we are concerned with being able to
over-ride a signal from 25 miles probably is talking to another airport.
In the US, many small airports use the same frequency. I can hear planes
calling for two or three different airports at a time. The airports are
usually 20 to 50 miles apart. When I call in to the little airport I know I
will be heard by other planes at other airports but the only signal the
pllanes in the pattern will hear will be mine, even if someone at those
distant airports is transmitting.
Also, when two transmissions occur together on AM there is a distinct squeal
that indicates that the communication has been interfered with. On FM that
squeal does not exist. Then the message can be cut between the two aircraft
with no audible indication that an interference has occurred. Thus the
tower may hear, ..."Kitfox 5192J is/25 miles for landing." When actually
5192J is downwind and the "25 miles for landing" is the interfering signal
from a Learjet. With FM there is no indication that there are two radios
interfering with each other.
Even our long distant transmissions are limited. About the greatest
distance we use is 50 to 100 miles for flight following, IFR or weather. I
suspect that is not very far in a long distance boat trip.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> jimshumaker wrote:
> > Boats are always low to the earth and need all the distance they can get
from the radio.
> > Aircraft are sometimes high and can interfere with transmissions at many
airports.
>
> Yes ... er, I am not sure I understand, Jim. Both airmen and seafarers
wish to
> have the longest range and they are both limited by the maximum allowed
power
> output, 25 watts. AM will not be as clear as FM because the amplitude of
the
> signal will see any interferance (e.g. another station further away) added
to
> the signal, like the wave made by a boat will add to the crest of the
waves
> made by the wind. But if the voice frequency is modulated on the bearing
> frequency, amplitude doesn't matter. At least that's what I think I
understood
> when I took my ham license. E.g. on the old broadcasting medium frequency
> modulated on AM, you can hear the spark of the thunder on the top of the
> signal. But on FM broadcasting stations, you don't hear it.
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Jim,
Most excellent answer. Much better than the argument
of why we still haven't converted to the metric system
I was thinking of. :-)
Kurt S.
Do not archive.
--- jimshumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Michel
>
> Lowell is right about infrastructure, to a degree.
>
> On the AM radio thing, ........
>
> In the US, many small airports use the same
> frequency. I can hear planes calling for two or
> three different airports at a time. The airports
> are usually 20 to 50 miles apart. When I call in
> to the little airport I know I will be heard.....
>
> Also, when two transmissions occur together on AM
> there is a distinct squeal.....
> On FM that squeal does not exist.......
> with no audible indication that an interference has
> occurred......... With FM there is no indication
that
> there are two radios interfering with each other.
>
> Jim Shumaker
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
...I couldn't remove the last Cleco in the Luggage Compartment door until it
was time for the Airworthiness inspection...call it sentimental or
whatever...but the building process becomes a big part of a person...dang! I
need a new project...an RV this time???
Steve Cooper
Avid Mark IV HH/STOL
Jabiru 2200/Tailwheel
N919SC
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ceashman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Question and Opinion
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Ceashman@aol.com
>
> >Rick said. It is an investment
> >but one of learning, fun, excitement, friendships and if you get lucky
you
> >break even in the end and have at least one good friend left.
>
> I fully agree, Rick.
>
> I spent nearly 5 years building my Classic IV (off and on) There were
times I
> couldn't grasp it! There were times I would wake up at 3 O'clock in the
> morning with the Kitfox on my mind, and I had to go to the shop and work
on it. And
> there were times I couldn't stand it and had to keep away.
> But ... what an experience, those building days! I am sure there are a lot
of
> people like me, that suffered builders withdrawal. Yes, you kind of miss
that
> part of the process.
> In fact I missed it so much that when I had an opportunity to buy a plans
> build project off of someone, I jumped at the chance.
> And the building and the early mornings continue. (what a blast) And this
is
> priceless.
> I nearly forgot. What is it worth to experience that first flight in the
> aircraft you built yourself? No one can ever imagine it, unless you made
it
> yourself. Double priceless!!
> Cheers, Eric, Classic IV. Atlanta.
>
>
> Rick N6
>
> e-mail; ceashman@aol.com
>
>
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