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1. 01:57 AM - Re: Question and Opinion (broschart)
2. 01:57 AM - Re: 582 cooling (broschart)
3. 03:22 AM - Re: Off Topic (Jeff Thomas)
4. 04:50 AM - Re: Attachments??? (Fox5flyer)
5. 08:38 AM - 912UL with a bad drop on one mag. (David Savener)
6. 09:54 AM - Re: 912UL with a bad drop on one mag. (John Oakley)
7. 12:35 PM - Re: Attachments??? (kurt schrader)
8. 05:47 PM - Re:Kitfox-List : engine problem (Thomas Lee)
9. 06:16 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox-List : engine problem (Rick)
10. 06:35 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox-List : engine problem (Thomas Lee)
11. 06:57 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox-List : engine problem (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
12. 07:08 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox-List : engine problem (Rick)
13. 09:02 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox-List : engine problem (jimshumaker)
14. 09:33 PM - Re: Re:Kitfox-List : engine problem (Lowell Fitt)
15. 11:23 PM - Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: Question and Opinion |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i'm planning to send mine to the scrap yard when i finish with it the liability
risk far out weighs the used value that could be realized from it
Have a good day - Charlie
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/25/04 8:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, av8rps@tznet.com
> writes:
> > own. So when you start comparing, spending 35 grand (e.g.) for an already
> > built and flying Kitfox looks like a true deal.
> >
> >
>
> OK guys, you drive a hard bargain but, I give in. I'll take the first 35
> grand that comes along. Of course, I was only going to ask about 20 but a deal
> is a deal.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
i bring it home first of november and go for deer, to cold sitting in a plane along
with the starting and snow shoveling problems in the winter
Have a good day - Charlie
Bruce Harrington wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> Glad you got that hot weather problem fixed.
> Now plan for cool weather (winter) when you will have to cover up the radiator!
> I installed a radiator flap on the back, with a vernier control in the cockpit.
> Simple fix is to wrap plastic around it and stick with velcro, which I did for
> several winters.
>
> Cheers,
> bh
>
> > i always couldn't fly in july if the temperature got above 90F do to
> > over heating of the 582 engine on my mod 4
> > last year i changed to a leaf #R5290 24 inch radiator and this summer
> > with a 160 thermostat i never had the temperature go above 160F even at
> > full power
> > although this year the july temperature wasn't above 90F, from the way
> > it has worked i'm sure the over heating problem is solved
> > i also changed from a gsc to a power fin prop at the same time but doubt
> > if that is the reason the heating problem is fixed
> >
> > Have a good day - Charlie
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeff Thomas" <jeffthomas@ntlworld.com>
Careful!
"WORK" is a four letter word... so don't use it too often!
Jeff
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----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Off Topic
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/26/04 3:50:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> rhutson@midsouth.rr.com writes:
>
>
> >
> > > And then.....Some of us must actually work.
> > > Scott in Nome
> > >
> >
> >
>
> How do you spell that?
>
> Retired at 58
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Attachments??? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Other than the usual garbage I get daily, there were no attachments to List
messages here. If you right click the message and check properties you
might see what the attachment is. Before you do, ensure your virus checker
is up to date.
Darrel Morisse
List Administrator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Attachments???
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
<rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
>
>
> I thought we were not supposed to get attachments. The last 8 emails from
> the list have had attachments. I think they are just the prior messages,
> but,,,,,
>
> Is it just me?
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
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| Subject: | 912UL with a bad drop on one mag. |
Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:37:40 -0500
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
My friend, Fred Howes just passed away. We are getting his beautiful Speedster
ready for sale.
One day it ran fine. The next day it dropped hundreds of rpms on one mag.
Lockwood(very helpful) had us lop 1/4 inch off each plug wire and re-attach the
connector. Same problem.
I am a 532/582 two cycle guy(sort of).
Any ideas on how to trouble shoot this??
Are there any 912 mechanics in the Central Texas area. The airplane is in Georgetown(30
miles north of Austin) Texas? We need a professional!!
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| Subject: | 912UL with a bad drop on one mag. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
The easiest way to find the problem is to use a 12v timing light and check
each plug for
firing. just shine the light somewhere. You will most likely find that one
of the coil
is out and it is a probable ground wire. this is the black wires that are
coupled at a
1/4 inch size screw. you may pull on each of these and find it also. But
try the timing
light first, it will give you a direction to go.
John Oakley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
Savener
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL with a bad drop on one mag.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
My friend, Fred Howes just passed away. We are getting his beautiful
Speedster ready for sale.
One day it ran fine. The next day it dropped hundreds of rpms on one mag.
Lockwood(very helpful) had us lop 1/4 inch off each plug wire and re-attach
the connector. Same problem.
I am a 532/582 two cycle guy(sort of).
Any ideas on how to trouble shoot this??
Are there any 912 mechanics in the Central Texas area. The airplane is in
Georgetown(30 miles north of Austin) Texas? We need a professional!!
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| Subject: | Re: Attachments??? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
My computer (on Yahoo) shows addresses that you can
click on as "attachments" whenever they are part of
the message text, but not in the to/from, ect areas.
When someone gives a reference site to go to in their
message, it shows up as an attachment, for me anyway.
This may be what some are seeing.
In troubleshooting my system, I learned that files
with xxx.SHS are executable files and are being used
to send worms. None are required on your computer and
you should never open a file with that "SHS"
extension. Microsoft is just coming out with a patch
to show those files. Normally they are hidden.
They also advised to never send anything that says
"send this to all your friends". Simulated Microsoft
warnings have been going out like that to send worms.
Kurt S.
--- Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote:
> Other than the usual garbage I get daily, there were
> no attachments to List messages here. If you
> right click the message and check properties you
> might see what the attachment is. Before you do,
> ensure your virus checker is up to date.
> Darrel Morisse
> List Administrator
__________________________________
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| Subject: | re:Kitfox-List : engine problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Last week I experienced loss of power at take off for 1-2 second. I
opened the carburettor and found scratch marks on the outside wall of
the Mixing Tube which is conical in shape. Looks like one arm of the
float bracket was jammed as it travelled up and did not come down
temporarily, so the needle valve blocked the fuel passage, hence loss
of power.
I put in a new float bracket ($20.18) and the left and right arm travel
freely. Today I ran the engine 0.3 hr on the ground and flew 1.1 hr
in the pattern and the engine behaved well. Hope this is the only
problem area and that I have fixed it.
thomas. Vixen 912 UL, 401 hr.
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| Subject: | re:Kitfox-List : engine problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I couldn't help but notice. Since the 912s shake so bad why not replace them
with dual Ellisons TBIs. No float bowl and you control the mixture. I have
heard upwards of 9Gs on start up and shut down.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Lee
Subject: Kitfox-List: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Last week I experienced loss of power at take off for 1-2 second. I
opened the carburettor and found scratch marks on the outside wall of
the Mixing Tube which is conical in shape. Looks like one arm of the
float bracket was jammed as it travelled up and did not come down
temporarily, so the needle valve blocked the fuel passage, hence loss
of power.
I put in a new float bracket ($20.18) and the left and right arm travel
freely. Today I ran the engine 0.3 hr on the ground and flew 1.1 hr
in the pattern and the engine behaved well. Hope this is the only
problem area and that I have fixed it.
thomas. Vixen 912 UL, 401 hr.
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| Subject: | Re: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Rick,
Where can I find more info on Ellisons TBIs, and what is 9Gs ?
thomas. Vixen 912 UL.
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> Since the 912s shake so bad why not replace them
>with dual Ellisons TBIs. No float bowl and you control the mixture. I have
>heard upwards of 9Gs on start up and shut down.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
congratulation on finding and correcting the problem, Thomas
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee
>
> Last week I experienced loss of power at take off for 1-2 second. I
> opened the carburettor and found scratch marks on the outside wall of
> the Mixing Tube which is conical in shape. Looks like one arm of the
> float bracket was jammed as it travelled up and did not come down
> temporarily, so the needle valve blocked the fuel passage, hence loss
> of power.
>
> I put in a new float bracket ($20.18) and the left and right arm travel
> freely. Today I ran the engine 0.3 hr on the ground and flew 1.1 hr
> in the pattern and the engine behaved well. Hope this is the only
> problem area and that I have fixed it.
>
> thomas. Vixen 912 UL, 401 hr.
>
>
>
>
>
>
congratulation on finding and correcting the problem, Thomas
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <THOMASLEEKF@COMCAST.NET>
Last week I experienced loss of power at take off for 1-2 second. I
opened the carburettor and found scratch marks on the outside wall of
the Mixing Tube which is conical in shape. Looks like one arm of the
float bracket was jammed as it travelled up and did not come down
temporarily, so the needle valve blocked the fuel passage, hence loss
of power.
I put in a new float bracket ($20.18) and the left and right arm travel
freely. Today I ran the engine 0.3 hr on the ground and flew 1.1 hr
in the pattern and the engine behaved well. Hope this is the only
problem area and that I have fixed it.
thomas. Vixen 912 UL, 401 hr.
&
gt;
.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list
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| Subject: | re:Kitfox-List : engine problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Ellison has a web site. I would talk to some folks that you can get one on
one with. 9 Gs referring to gravitational force like in pulling Gs. That's a
lot for component a to get shook around. You might be the first to pioneer
the application. Could be done. Simple set up. I would think Rotax would
have fuel injection by now. Any way, a manifold could be made and you might
get by with one TBI throttle body injector. I use a single Ellison 3A to
feed a 1.8L turbo engine that makes about 160HP.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Lee
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Rick,
Where can I find more info on Ellisons TBIs, and what is 9Gs ?
thomas. Vixen 912 UL.
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> Since the 912s shake so bad why not replace them
>with dual Ellisons TBIs. No float bowl and you control the mixture. I have
>heard upwards of 9Gs on start up and shut down.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Nice catch Thomas. Thanks for letting us know what you found.
Jim Shumaker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Lee" <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
>
> Last week I experienced loss of power at take off for 1-2 second. I
> opened the carburettor and found scratch marks on the outside wall of
> the Mixing Tube which is conical in shape. Looks like one arm of the
> float bracket was jammed as it travelled up and did not come down
> temporarily, so the needle valve blocked the fuel passage, hence loss
> of power.
>
> I put in a new float bracket ($20.18) and the left and right arm travel
> freely. Today I ran the engine 0.3 hr on the ground and flew 1.1 hr
> in the pattern and the engine behaved well. Hope this is the only
> problem area and that I have fixed it.
>
> thomas. Vixen 912 UL, 401 hr.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Rick, I don't understand this recommendation. The Carbs on the Rotax 912
UL are nearly bulletproof. There have been very few problems associated
with this set-up. If I remember correctly, with the Ellison, there are
fuel pressure issues and some reports of hesitation when hitting the
throttle too aggressively. Why mess with success?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> Ellison has a web site. I would talk to some folks that you can get one on
> one with. 9 Gs referring to gravitational force like in pulling Gs. That's
a
> lot for component a to get shook around. You might be the first to pioneer
> the application. Could be done. Simple set up. I would think Rotax would
> have fuel injection by now. Any way, a manifold could be made and you
might
> get by with one TBI throttle body injector. I use a single Ellison 3A to
> feed a 1.8L turbo engine that makes about 160HP.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Lee
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re:Kitfox-List : engine problem
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Thomas Lee <thomasleekf@comcast.net>
>
> Rick,
>
> Where can I find more info on Ellisons TBIs, and what is 9Gs ?
>
> thomas. Vixen 912 UL.
>
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
> > Since the 912s shake so bad why not replace them
> >with dual Ellisons TBIs. No float bowl and you control the mixture. I
have
> >heard upwards of 9Gs on start up and shut down.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] FM vs. AM |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
jimshumaker wrote:
> With FM you may not override another signal even though they are much
> further away. and worse you would not know that there were two planes
> talking at once.
Jim and Clint, I am still not convinced. At sea, or in the air, if we assume
that all mobile stations have the same power output, on both AM and FM, the
closest will override the furthest. To my understanding, the only difference is
that, in FM, the signal doesn't need the voice modulation to override. If I use
a maritime VHF and press the PTT, even without speaking, I will modulate the
frequency and block the frequency for further away stations. But not those closer.
As an example, when coastal maritime stations send their scheduled information
to mariners (equivalent to NOTAM) on working channels, they often modulate the
frequency with silence a few minute before broadcasting. That is to prevent
eventual unobservant seafarers to call the station for other business. You know
that the frequency is modulated because if you then lower the squelch, it
doesn't make a difference, no background noise.
That's the quality of FM.
Other than what my own experience of using, with limitation, AM as a "range
finder" on the quality of the signal, says, I see no other advantage.
I think the bottom line is: ICAO (not the FAA, Clint) doesn't find enough
advantage to FM to justify the cost of the change. We often think that aviation
is at the vanguard of technology. It is not the case if we look at the
computers ATC services are using and I think it is not when it comes to radio communication.
Cheers,
Michel
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