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1. 04:36 AM - Re: Kitfox needed (Gshilt@aol.com)
2. 06:05 AM - Laka Anna VA (jareds)
3. 10:49 AM - Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S (Grant Fluent)
4. 10:50 AM - Re: static source (Victor Jacko)
5. 10:55 AM - I'll be OFF LIST for a while (Scott McClintock)
6. 11:00 AM - Re: Low fuel alarm (STEPHEN ZAKRESKI)
7. 11:12 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S (gjglh@itlnet.net)
8. 11:28 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S (Dale Kister)
9. 12:02 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S (Floran Higgins)
10. 12:06 PM - Re: Low fuel alarm (Fox5flyer)
11. 12:21 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Michel Verheughe)
12. 12:27 PM - Re: I'll be OFF LIST for a while (Michel Verheughe)
13. 12:50 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Scott McClintock)
14. 12:57 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (dave)
15. 12:58 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Steve Cooper)
16. 01:28 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Michel Gordillo)
17. 01:59 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S (davestapa@juno.com)
18. 02:32 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Paul)
19. 02:37 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (John Oakley)
20. 02:37 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Steve Cooper)
21. 02:58 PM - Steve coming to Alaska? OFF TOPIC (Scott McClintock)
22. 03:23 PM - Re: Steve coming to Alaska? OFF TOPIC (Steve Cooper)
23. 03:56 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Fox5flyer)
24. 04:04 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Steve Cooper)
25. 04:43 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Bob Unternaehrer)
26. 05:32 PM - Early Model Kitfox (Bill Cloughley)
27. 05:50 PM - Re: Early Model Kitfox (Steve Cooper)
28. 05:53 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S (John King)
29. 07:16 PM - Re: lPricing our Kitfox's (Marc Arseneault)
30. 07:42 PM - Re: Early Model Kitfox (kurt schrader)
31. 08:12 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (kurt schrader)
32. 11:32 PM - Re: Slightly bent landing gear (Bruce Harrington)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox needed |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Gshilt@aol.com
Larry,
Please contact me off list at gshilt@aol.com
Thanks,
Gary
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Robert,
Maybe we'll get a crew together and wonder over Anna way!
I could use some new ideas on redoing some things on mine this winter!
Jared
do not archive.
Robert Toth wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Robert Toth <rtoth1@verizon.net>
>
>No airport, I have it at a friends place down at Lake Anna! I am hoping
>to fly next summer!!! He is building an Anphib Murphy Elite along with
>me building the KitFox. We are working out of his personal Hangar at the
>Lake!
>
>jareds wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>
>>Bob,
>>
>>I fly out of S MD
>>How far along are you?
>>Sounds like John Kings bird dogs may have a formation flight adventure
>>to look at your plane!
>>I assume you are in the ADIZ or do you not keep it at one of the
>>airports there?
>>I"ve landed an Arrow 200 retrac on your big new airport with the
>>jets..... is that you??
>>
>>Robert Toth wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Robert Toth <rtoth1@verizon.net>
>>>
>>>Jareds; Where are you located? I'm in Woodbridge VA and from your
>>>messages, I get the feeling you are around here also. I am building a
>>>4-1200 with a 912 uls. Bob Toth
>>>
>>>jareds wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>>Intermittantly i've had probs with my ASI this year. Last time i
>>>>contributed it to water or moisture in the line and another time it was
>>>>a leak that had developed in the system. But now none of those are
>>>>factors this time. Instead i remembered a lister mentioning the static
>>>>port causing problems. So today after an indicated stall speed of 72 at
>>>>3000 i skidded to a stop and looked at the static port side. I have a
>>>>Mode C transponder for flying in the DC airspace connected to the static
>>>>port side and my altimeter hooked up. The ASI would register anywhere
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>from 20-42 at a dead stop. But by disconnecting the altimeter, the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>system it goes back to registering normally. DRiving home in the Jeep i
>>>>connected a line to the ASI and held out the window, and it functioned
>>>>normally right along with the ground speed.
>>>>
>>>>Is it necessary to have the altimeter and Encoder hooked up to the ASI
>>>>output sides or can an alternate setup be used?
>>>>
>>>>Also have any of you experienced problems porting the static port inside
>>>>the cockpit?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John Oakley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>The easiest way to find the problem is to use a 12v timing light and check
>>>>>each plug for
>>>>>firing. just shine the light somewhere. You will most likely find that one
>>>>>of the coil
>>>>>is out and it is a probable ground wire. this is the black wires that are
>>>>>coupled at a
>>>>>1/4 inch size screw. you may pull on each of these and find it also. But
>>>>>try the timing
>>>>>light first, it will give you a direction to go.
>>>>>
>>>>>John Oakley
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
>>>>>Savener
>>>>>To: kitfox-list
>>>>>Subject: Kitfox-List: 912UL with a bad drop on one mag.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "David Savener" <david_savener@msn.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>My friend, Fred Howes just passed away. We are getting his beautiful
>>>>>Speedster ready for sale.
>>>>>
>>>>>One day it ran fine. The next day it dropped hundreds of rpms on one mag.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lockwood(very helpful) had us lop 1/4 inch off each plug wire and re-attach
>>>>>the connector. Same problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am a 532/582 two cycle guy(sort of).
>>>>>
>>>>>Any ideas on how to trouble shoot this??
>>>>>
>>>>>Are there any 912 mechanics in the Central Texas area. The airplane is in
>>>>>Georgetown(30 miles north of Austin) Texas? We need a professional!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hello All,
I have the 912S engine and I am trying to find an
oil cooler for it. I have had no luck finding an
Earl's cooler and have been told all suppliers are
temporarily out of stock due to manufacturing problems
and it will be at least 60 days until production
resumes.
I can buy one similar that is made by Setrab but it
is slightly smaller than the Earl's models and has -4
AN fittings instead of -6.
Are most of these coolers oversize for the 912
engines or will I have cooling problems with the
Setrab unit being only 6 1/2" x 2" x 2" (actual cooler
size)?
Will the -4 outlets flow enough for the Rotax oil
system?
Thanks!
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Victor Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
When I built N88VJ I put two static sources, one on each side of the
location on the plans using a T connection. I felt the info in the cockpit
is very accurate.
Vic
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of gary
borrmann
Subject: Kitfox-List: static source
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gary borrmann <garyb2@sbcglobal.net>
I purchased the static port and installed it where skystar says to and had
more error in as and vs than when I disconnected it and used cockpit
pressure so I never hooked it back up.
Gary Borrmann
Series 5 O-200
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| Subject: | I'll be OFF LIST for a while |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Hi Guys,
I'll be OFF LIST for a while as I travel to NY to participate in my
son's wedding.
When I return, I will not be using my work (State) email address any
longer. (Busted)
Please make note of my personal email address to those of you who
contact me off list.
Thanks and I will be back in a couple of weeks.
Scott in Nome
s-mcclintock@alaska.com
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Low fuel alarm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: STEPHEN ZAKRESKI <szakreski@shaw.ca>
Yep...though I try to keep quiet about it on this list so everybody doesn't think
me a traitor. I did Oshkosh in one day, ...checked out the Diamond TwinStar,
much faster than my Commander, and capable of cruising at the GPH of my Kitfox.
SteveZ
Calgary
----- Original Message -----
From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> Thanks Steve. I appreciate the feedback.
> You still flying the Commander?
> Darrel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "STEPHEN ZAKRESKI" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: STEPHEN ZAKRESKI
> <szakreski@shaw.ca>>
> > Darrel
> >
> > I have the Skystar optical sensor. Works great once the tank is
> paintedblack and the sensor threads are wrapped with electrical
> tape. The sensor
> body is made of clear plastic so light can leak through it. Once
> that was
> figured out, no false alarms at all. I would use it again,
> although I seem
> to recall pricing the sensor once and it was over $100. I'll try
> and get
> the sensor info when I get out to the hangar, but that may not be
> for a
> couple of weeks.
> >
> > SteveZ
> > Calgary
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > Date: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:53 pm
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > >
> > > Thanks Ted. I appreciate the input. I checked out the site below
> > > and that
> > > switch looks like it would do the job nicely. Some people use the
> > > opticalsensor which would probably do fine also, but I've read
> > > where some had
> > > trouble keeping the ambient light from setting it off. Then
> > > again, it would
> > > appear an advantage is that there are no moving parts. Does
> > > anybody know if
> > > there's a failure possiblity with the optical type? Then again,
> > > if it quits
> > > working, what's the harm?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Darrel
> > > S5
> > >
> > > > If you can put a 1/2" NPT fitting toward the top of
> > > > your tank the simplest is the float switch. The 15-
> > > > 650-AC from Compac Engineering is available from
> > > > Durable Controls at (800) 365-0033 for $36.
> > > > http://www.durablecontrols.com. All you need is a
> > > > 12v lamp to complete the system. The Accipter sensor
> > > > used that switch in an external bottle. I pulled my
> > > > switch out and installed it in the tank. I think I
> > > > still have the aluminum bottle laying around. It
> > > > mounts in the header return line.
> > > >
> > > > I've had one in my Kitfox header for years and it
> > > > works well. I also put one in my Nieuport tank.
> > > > It's pretty fool-proof.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Ted
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm installing a new header tank shortly and I'd
> > > > like to also install a low
> > > > >fuel indicator while I'm at it. Couple questions
> > > > for those who've been
> > > > >there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who can supply a complete kit? Skystar doesn't
> > > > seem to be responding
> > > > >very well these days.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand that I can go with either Reed
> > > > Switch or Optical type.
> > > > >Which is better?
> > > > >
> > > > > If I decide to build my own unit, can anybody
> > > > give me a parts list of
> > > > >the items I would need?
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anybody have a low fuel indicator that
> > > > they've decided not to use?
> > > > >Email me offlist if you have one for sale.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've got 268 hours on my S5 and I've had no fuel
> > > > flow problems. Are
> > > > >these things really worth the bother?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks for any help.
> > > > >Darrel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _-
> > > _-
> > > _-
> > > _-
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gjglh@itlnet.net
Lockwood has a nice chrome oil cooler they sell. Put it on my 912UL
and it works great. Also put a diverter in line to bypass the oil
cooler on cold days.
Gary
Spdster912ls
---- Original Message ----
From: gjfpilot@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello All,
> I have the 912S engine and I am trying to find an
>oil cooler for it. I have had no luck finding an
>Earl's cooler and have been told all suppliers are
>temporarily out of stock due to manufacturing problems
>and it will be at least 60 days until production
>resumes.
> I can buy one similar that is made by Setrab but it
>is slightly smaller than the Earl's models and has -4
>AN fittings instead of -6.
> Are most of these coolers oversize for the 912
>engines or will I have cooling problems with the
>Setrab unit being only 6 1/2" x 2" x 2" (actual cooler
>size)?
> Will the -4 outlets flow enough for the Rotax oil
>system?
>
>Thanks!
>Grant Fluent
>Newcastle, NE
>Classic IV 912S
>
>
>=====
>=====
>=====
>=====
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dale Kister" <2@dalekister.com>
I use the Setrab cooler on a 912UL. I was able to order it with -8 AN
fittings. It worked just fine.
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Hello All,
I have the 912S engine and I am trying to find an
oil cooler for it. I have had no luck finding an
Earl's cooler and have been told all suppliers are
temporarily out of stock due to manufacturing problems
and it will be at least 60 days until production
resumes.
I can buy one similar that is made by Setrab but it
is slightly smaller than the Earl's models and has -4
AN fittings instead of -6.
Are most of these coolers oversize for the 912
engines or will I have cooling problems with the
Setrab unit being only 6 1/2" x 2" x 2" (actual cooler
size)?
Will the -4 outlets flow enough for the Rotax oil
system?
Thanks!
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
Grant,
When I installed the 912S engine in my airplane I used the oil cooler and
mount from the 912UL.
During the first 25 hrs I shook apart and destroyed three oil coolers. One
instance caused a forced landing in a field as I was running out of oil.
I finally obtained an oil cooler and mount from Skystar and I have about 450
hrs on it without any problems.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello All,
> I have the 912S engine and I am trying to find an
> oil cooler for it. I have had no luck finding an
> Earl's cooler and have been told all suppliers are
> temporarily out of stock due to manufacturing problems
> and it will be at least 60 days until production
> resumes.
> I can buy one similar that is made by Setrab but it
> is slightly smaller than the Earl's models and has -4
> AN fittings instead of -6.
> Are most of these coolers oversize for the 912
> engines or will I have cooling problems with the
> Setrab unit being only 6 1/2" x 2" x 2" (actual cooler
> size)?
> Will the -4 outlets flow enough for the Rotax oil
> system?
>
> Thanks!
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Low fuel alarm |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Did you get on the waiting list for one? Quite an airplane.
http://www.midatlanticdiamond.com/twinstar_features.html
Hmmm. Did I mention Kitfox?
>
> Yep...though I try to keep quiet about it on this list so everybody
doesn't think me a traitor. I did Oshkosh in one day, ...checked out the
Diamond TwinStar, much faster than my Commander, and capable of cruising at
the GPH of my Kitfox.
>
>
> SteveZ
> Calgary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2004 11:31 am
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > Thanks Steve. I appreciate the feedback.
> > You still flying the Commander?
> > Darrel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "STEPHEN ZAKRESKI" <szakreski@shaw.ca>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: STEPHEN ZAKRESKI
> > <szakreski@shaw.ca>>
> > > Darrel
> > >
> > > I have the Skystar optical sensor. Works great once the tank is
> > paintedblack and the sensor threads are wrapped with electrical
> > tape. The sensor
> > body is made of clear plastic so light can leak through it. Once
> > that was
> > figured out, no false alarms at all. I would use it again,
> > although I seem
> > to recall pricing the sensor once and it was over $100. I'll try
> > and get
> > the sensor info when I get out to the hangar, but that may not be
> > for a
> > couple of weeks.
> > >
> > > SteveZ
> > > Calgary
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > > Date: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:53 pm
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low fuel alarm
> > >
> > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> > > > <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Ted. I appreciate the input. I checked out the site below
> > > > and that
> > > > switch looks like it would do the job nicely. Some people use the
> > > > opticalsensor which would probably do fine also, but I've read
> > > > where some had
> > > > trouble keeping the ambient light from setting it off. Then
> > > > again, it would
> > > > appear an advantage is that there are no moving parts. Does
> > > > anybody know if
> > > > there's a failure possiblity with the optical type? Then again,
> > > > if it quits
> > > > working, what's the harm?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Darrel
> > > > S5
> > > >
> > > > > If you can put a 1/2" NPT fitting toward the top of
> > > > > your tank the simplest is the float switch. The 15-
> > > > > 650-AC from Compac Engineering is available from
> > > > > Durable Controls at (800) 365-0033 for $36.
> > > > > http://www.durablecontrols.com. All you need is a
> > > > > 12v lamp to complete the system. The Accipter sensor
> > > > > used that switch in an external bottle. I pulled my
> > > > > switch out and installed it in the tank. I think I
> > > > > still have the aluminum bottle laying around. It
> > > > > mounts in the header return line.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've had one in my Kitfox header for years and it
> > > > > works well. I also put one in my Nieuport tank.
> > > > > It's pretty fool-proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ted
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm installing a new header tank shortly and I'd
> > > > > like to also install a low
> > > > > >fuel indicator while I'm at it. Couple questions
> > > > > for those who've been
> > > > > >there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who can supply a complete kit? Skystar doesn't
> > > > > seem to be responding
> > > > > >very well these days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand that I can go with either Reed
> > > > > Switch or Optical type.
> > > > > >Which is better?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I decide to build my own unit, can anybody
> > > > > give me a parts list of
> > > > > >the items I would need?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anybody have a low fuel indicator that
> > > > > they've decided not to use?
> > > > > >Email me offlist if you have one for sale.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've got 268 hours on my S5 and I've had no fuel
> > > > > flow problems. Are
> > > > > >these things really worth the bother?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks for any help.
> > > > > >Darrel
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Bruce Harrington wrote:
> We had checked for cracks.
Thanks Bruce and Steve. I went to the hangar this evening, with my son. We
tried to bend it back by using wood blocks and three strong carpenter's screw
vices. To no avail. I can bend it straight but when I remove the vices, it goes
back as it was.
Measuring with a proper tool, the sagging is about 3 mm or 1/8", on the full
length of the gear's leg. Not much but enough to slightly wrinkle the fabric.
Without that, I would have never noticed anything.
The reason for the hard landing, as I am being told by my son, is: the landing
strip was very short and the instructor told him to land very short on the
threshold. Doing that, the tail came low over the corn field and got tangled in
it. They felt as if something was holding them back and that stalled the plane
with the main gear coming down hard on the grass. After that, they flew to
another private landing strip, and did a new more touch and go.
I have decided to leave things as they are now. I very close look doesn't
reveal any crack along the weldings, which are apparent even with the fabric
on. I think there is little chance that the tube itself has cracks, or does it?
The way I look at it, if I have another hard landing, the tube, already
stressed and weakened, will bend even more and I'll notice it at once since the
plane will lean on the side while on the ground. But is it any chance that the
gear and wheel separates entirely from the plane? I don't see how it can happen
by a "simple" hard landing but maybe I missed something. What do you think?
The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that, change
my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is flying
without worrying, isn't it?
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: I'll be OFF LIST for a while |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Scott McClintock wrote:
> I'll be OFF LIST for a while as I travel to NY to participate in my
> son's wedding.
Have a nice time in NY, Scott, and enjoy the moment with your family.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Michel,
When you decide to get the spring gear, I highly recommend looking at the Grove
aluminum gear.
The price is good and the quality is great. Can't say enuf' good things about this
company.
Scott in Nome
P.S. Thanks for your kind words, I'll be back on list soon and now you have my
personal email address.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Michel Verheughe wrote:
> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that, change
> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is flying
> without worrying, isn't it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Michel ,
With all due respect I think you should get a second opinion. If the hard
landing caused damage which it did, your gear is already weaked. Further
stress will most likely happen if you try to straighten.
Secondly why not replace it now ? Find a local EAA member to make you a new
one. Recover and you all set. What wil it cost you for the chrome moly
and a welder? 100$ ?
After all , "IF" it does fail you will be possibly looking at minimun a
prop and possibly a ground loop and who knows what else.
Hope this helps you ,
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
> > We had checked for cracks.
>
> Thanks Bruce and Steve. I went to the hangar this evening, with my son. We
> tried to bend it back by using wood blocks and three strong carpenter's
screw
> vices. To no avail. I can bend it straight but when I remove the vices, it
goes
> back as it was.
> Measuring with a proper tool, the sagging is about 3 mm or 1/8", on the
full
> length of the gear's leg. Not much but enough to slightly wrinkle the
fabric.
> Without that, I would have never noticed anything.
> The reason for the hard landing, as I am being told by my son, is: the
landing
> strip was very short and the instructor told him to land very short on the
> threshold. Doing that, the tail came low over the corn field and got
tangled in
> it. They felt as if something was holding them back and that stalled the
plane
> with the main gear coming down hard on the grass. After that, they flew to
> another private landing strip, and did a new more touch and go.
> I have decided to leave things as they are now. I very close look doesn't
> reveal any crack along the weldings, which are apparent even with the
fabric
> on. I think there is little chance that the tube itself has cracks, or
does it?
> The way I look at it, if I have another hard landing, the tube, already
> stressed and weakened, will bend even more and I'll notice it at once
since the
> plane will lean on the side while on the ground. But is it any chance that
the
> gear and wheel separates entirely from the plane? I don't see how it can
happen
> by a "simple" hard landing but maybe I missed something. What do you
think?
> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that,
change
> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is
flying
> without worrying, isn't it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Not so sure I can concure with their "price being good" ...but they do
fabricate a nice product. I have a set of Grove Spring gear for a Kitfox
Model V
for sale-used...post me off list.
Steve
spdrflyr@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott McClintock" <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> Michel,
> When you decide to get the spring gear, I highly recommend looking at the
Grove
> aluminum gear.
> The price is good and the quality is great. Can't say enuf' good things
about this
> company.
> Scott in Nome
> P.S. Thanks for your kind words, I'll be back on list soon and now you
have my
> personal email address.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
> > The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that,
change
> > my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is
flying
> > without worrying, isn't it?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
> > do not archive
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
Michel,
in the time that you take a decision, I have a left gear leg at home that I
can send you, already covered ( the right one folded and got Grove).
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: davestapa@juno.com
Grant, some how I wound up with two oil coolers-both Earl's. I
discovered last night when looking thru receipts that I ordered one with
the 912S firewall forward kit and ordered one with the engine itself. I
may even have extra brackets. I'll check and see. I had to find my
receipt for my ELT from ACS because my ELT is DOA.(Never been installed).
Didn't pay attention to what I paid but will sell to you at a deeply
discounted price. Let me know if you are interested.
C. David Estapa
Woodstock, GA
N97DE S5TD (almost there)
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Grant Fluent
<gjfpilot@yahoo.com> writes:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello All,
> I have the 912S engine and I am trying to find an
> oil cooler for it. I have had no luck finding an
> Earl's cooler and have been told all suppliers are
> temporarily out of stock due to manufacturing problems
> and it will be at least 60 days until production
> resumes.
> I can buy one similar that is made by Setrab but it
> is slightly smaller than the Earl's models and has -4
> AN fittings instead of -6.
> Are most of these coolers oversize for the 912
> engines or will I have cooling problems with the
> Setrab unit being only 6 1/2" x 2" x 2" (actual cooler
> size)?
> Will the -4 outlets flow enough for the Rotax oil
> system?
>
> Thanks!
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
=
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
Skystar makes their own Al spring gear. Same specs as Grove because Skystar designed
the Grove gear in the first place.
Paul
============
At 11:50 AM -0800 8/30/04, Scott McClintock wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
>Michel,
>When you decide to get the spring gear, I highly recommend looking at the Grove
>aluminum gear.
>The price is good and the quality is great. Can't say enuf' good things about
this
>company.
>Scott in Nome
>P.S. Thanks for your kind words, I'll be back on list soon and now you have my
>personal email address.
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that, change
>> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is flying
>> without worrying, isn't it?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
> > do not archive
>>
--
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| Subject: | Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
I don't remember what model fox you have. I do have a set of unused gear and
bungee from a model 4 that you can have. I am not sure what shipping is but
it is got to be better than new gear price.
John Oakley, by the way it is powder coated red. humm you may set an new
trend, it would make it look like it has socks on.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Bruce Harrington wrote:
> We had checked for cracks.
Thanks Bruce and Steve. I went to the hangar this evening, with my son. We
tried to bend it back by using wood blocks and three strong carpenter's
screw
vices. To no avail. I can bend it straight but when I remove the vices, it
goes
back as it was.
Measuring with a proper tool, the sagging is about 3 mm or 1/8", on the full
length of the gear's leg. Not much but enough to slightly wrinkle the
fabric.
Without that, I would have never noticed anything.
The reason for the hard landing, as I am being told by my son, is: the
landing
strip was very short and the instructor told him to land very short on the
threshold. Doing that, the tail came low over the corn field and got tangled
in
it. They felt as if something was holding them back and that stalled the
plane
with the main gear coming down hard on the grass. After that, they flew to
another private landing strip, and did a new more touch and go.
I have decided to leave things as they are now. I very close look doesn't
reveal any crack along the weldings, which are apparent even with the fabric
on. I think there is little chance that the tube itself has cracks, or does
it?
The way I look at it, if I have another hard landing, the tube, already
stressed and weakened, will bend even more and I'll notice it at once since
the
plane will lean on the side while on the ground. But is it any chance that
the
gear and wheel separates entirely from the plane? I don't see how it can
happen
by a "simple" hard landing but maybe I missed something. What do you think?
The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that,
change
my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is flying
without worrying, isn't it?
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
You are correct Sir...in fact, just to add a little "spice" to the Grove
thing...Skynet has revoked Grove's licsense to produce Kitfox gear and now
Grove is really pissed. I called him about a little "two-bit" part the other
day...he said it would be $400 each for the upper cams.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <pwilson@climber.org>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
>
> Skystar makes their own Al spring gear. Same specs as Grove because
Skystar designed the Grove gear in the first place.
> Paul
> ============
>
> At 11:50 AM -0800 8/30/04, Scott McClintock wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> >
> >Michel,
> >When you decide to get the spring gear, I highly recommend looking at the
Grove
> >aluminum gear.
> >The price is good and the quality is great. Can't say enuf' good things
about this
> >company.
> >Scott in Nome
> >P.S. Thanks for your kind words, I'll be back on list soon and now you
have my
> >personal email address.
> >
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >Michel Verheughe wrote:
> >
> >> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that,
change
> >> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is
flying
> >> without worrying, isn't it?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Michel
> >>
> > > do not archive
> >>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Steve coming to Alaska? OFF TOPIC |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Hey Steve,
Haven't heard back from you? Does that mean you're staying in the "Dez"?
Scott in Nome
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Steve coming to Alaska? OFF TOPIC |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Hi Scott...Ya! Bummer! Another company got in there first...Century Business
Solutions. Looks like I'm going to be staying here for a while. I would have
loved Alaska...but it would have been a huge move. I don't see how you did
it!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott McClintock" <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Steve coming to Alaska? OFF TOPIC
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
<scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
>
> Hey Steve,
> Haven't heard back from you? Does that mean you're staying in the "Dez"?
>
> Scott in Nome
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Skynet? Who's that?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
>
> You are correct Sir...in fact, just to add a little "spice" to the Grove
> thing...Skynet has revoked Grove's licsense to produce Kitfox gear and now
> Grove is really pissed. I called him about a little "two-bit" part the
other
> day...he said it would be $400 each for the upper cams.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul" <pwilson@climber.org>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
> >
> > Skystar makes their own Al spring gear. Same specs as Grove because
> Skystar designed the Grove gear in the first place.
> > Paul
> > ============
> >
> > At 11:50 AM -0800 8/30/04, Scott McClintock wrote:
> > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> > >
> > >Michel,
> > >When you decide to get the spring gear, I highly recommend looking at
the
> Grove
> > >aluminum gear.
> > >The price is good and the quality is great. Can't say enuf' good things
> about this
> > >company.
> > >Scott in Nome
> > >P.S. Thanks for your kind words, I'll be back on list soon and now you
> have my
> > >personal email address.
> > >
> > >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > >
> > >Michel Verheughe wrote:
> > >
> > >> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after
that,
> change
> > >> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is
> flying
> > >> without worrying, isn't it?
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Michel
> > >>
> > > > do not archive
> > >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
hehehehe...
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> Skynet? Who's that?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
<spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
> >
> > You are correct Sir...in fact, just to add a little "spice" to the Grove
> > thing...Skynet has revoked Grove's licsense to produce Kitfox gear and
now
> > Grove is really pissed. I called him about a little "two-bit" part the
> other
> > day...he said it would be $400 each for the upper cams.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul" <pwilson@climber.org>
> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
> >
> >
> > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
> > >
> > > Skystar makes their own Al spring gear. Same specs as Grove because
> > Skystar designed the Grove gear in the first place.
> > > Paul
> > > ============
> > >
> > > At 11:50 AM -0800 8/30/04, Scott McClintock wrote:
> > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scott McClintock
> > <scott_mcclintock@dot.state.ak.us>
> > > >
> > > >Michel,
> > > >When you decide to get the spring gear, I highly recommend looking at
> the
> > Grove
> > > >aluminum gear.
> > > >The price is good and the quality is great. Can't say enuf' good
things
> > about this
> > > >company.
> > > >Scott in Nome
> > > >P.S. Thanks for your kind words, I'll be back on list soon and now
you
> > have my
> > > >personal email address.
> > > >
> > > >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > >
> > > >Michel Verheughe wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after
> that,
> > change
> > > >> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying
is
> > flying
> > > >> without worrying, isn't it?
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> Michel
> > > >>
> > > > > do not archive
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
You'll need to bend it past the position you want it to spring back to. I'd
get it straight before useing it. As long as your straightening a piece of
tubing and not the welded area I'd feel ok doing it. 4130 has a lot of
spring back. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Slightly bent landing gear
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
> > We had checked for cracks.
>
> Thanks Bruce and Steve. I went to the hangar this evening, with my son. We
> tried to bend it back by using wood blocks and three strong carpenter's
screw
> vices. To no avail. I can bend it straight but when I remove the vices, it
goes
> back as it was.
> Measuring with a proper tool, the sagging is about 3 mm or 1/8", on the
full
> length of the gear's leg. Not much but enough to slightly wrinkle the
fabric.
> Without that, I would have never noticed anything.
> The reason for the hard landing, as I am being told by my son, is: the
landing
> strip was very short and the instructor told him to land very short on the
> threshold. Doing that, the tail came low over the corn field and got
tangled in
> it. They felt as if something was holding them back and that stalled the
plane
> with the main gear coming down hard on the grass. After that, they flew to
> another private landing strip, and did a new more touch and go.
> I have decided to leave things as they are now. I very close look doesn't
> reveal any crack along the weldings, which are apparent even with the
fabric
> on. I think there is little chance that the tube itself has cracks, or
does it?
> The way I look at it, if I have another hard landing, the tube, already
> stressed and weakened, will bend even more and I'll notice it at once
since the
> plane will lean on the side while on the ground. But is it any chance that
the
> gear and wheel separates entirely from the plane? I don't see how it can
happen
> by a "simple" hard landing but maybe I missed something. What do you
think?
> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that,
change
> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is
flying
> without worrying, isn't it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Early Model Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Cloughley <claw2265@yahoo.com>
I have an opportunity to pick up one of the earliest Kitfoxes. The kit was bought
in 85. It is 95% complete with excellent workmanship. Has a never-been-run
503. I'm thinking about finishing the aircraft, getting it inspected, flying
the initial 20 hours, then selling. Any thoughts on the fair market value for
a flying, early model Kitfox.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Early Model Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
...mmmm, $15K? You'll prolly have to rebuild the 503 since it's been setting
...since...what was it? 1985?...turn that puppy in to Rotax and go 582,
install a nice panel in it and price it around 20...then come down a
little. We need to protect our investments guys. Lets stick together on
these prices. A ton of work goes into our babies and we just can't give it
away... ya know?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Cloughley" <claw2265@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Early Model Kitfox
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Cloughley <claw2265@yahoo.com>
>
> I have an opportunity to pick up one of the earliest Kitfoxes. The kit
was bought in 85. It is 95% complete with excellent workmanship. Has a
never-been-run 503. I'm thinking about finishing the aircraft, getting it
inspected, flying the initial 20 hours, then selling. Any thoughts on the
fair market value for a flying, early model Kitfox.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Questions - Rotax 912S |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Grant,
In my opinion a -4 AN fitting is too small for the oil lines on a 912 UL
or 912 S. I would not even recommend a -6 size. All of my oil lines
use -8 AN fittings.
Any restriction in the oil flow will show up as a drop in oil pressure
especially at high rpm's.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Grant Fluent wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello All,
> I have the 912S engine and I am trying to find an
>oil cooler for it. I have had no luck finding an
>Earl's cooler and have been told all suppliers are
>temporarily out of stock due to manufacturing problems
>and it will be at least 60 days until production
>resumes.
> I can buy one similar that is made by Setrab but it
>is slightly smaller than the Earl's models and has -4
>AN fittings instead of -6.
> Are most of these coolers oversize for the 912
>engines or will I have cooling problems with the
>Setrab unit being only 6 1/2" x 2" x 2" (actual cooler
>size)?
> Will the -4 outlets flow enough for the Rotax oil
>system?
>
>Thanks!
>Grant Fluent
>Newcastle, NE
>Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: lPricing our Kitfox's |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
I agree with you 100% Steve that we should all stick together and keep up the value
of our Kitfox's. Enough of giving these babe's away! We should all commentonwhat
we think different models that are completedbetween such and such year
with a 582, 912 and so on is worth. From this we can take an average and set
a fair price for each model with such and such. We are the one's who decide the
value and I think we should set a bench mark to work from.
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
From: "Steve Cooper" spdrflyr@earthlink.net Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Early Model Kitfox Date:
Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:47:39 -0700 -- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper"
spdrflyr@earthlink.net ...mmmm, $15K? You'll prolly have to rebui
ld the 503 since it's been setting ...since...what was it? 1985?...turn that puppy
in to Rotax and go 582, install a nice panel in it and price it around 20...then
come down a little. We need to protect our investments guys. Lets stick
together on these prices. A ton of work goes into our babies and we just can't
give it away... ya know? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cloughley"
claw2265@yahoo.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List:
Early Model Kitfox -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Bill Cloughley claw2265@yahoo.com
I have an opportunity to pick up one of the earliest Kitfoxes. The
kit was bought in 85. It is 95% complete with excellent workmanship. Has a never-been-run
503. I'm thinking about finishing the aircraft, getting it inspected,
flying the initial 20 hours, then selling. Any thoughts on the fair market
value for a flying, early model Kitfox. Thanks in advance, Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Early Model Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Isn't that just about a collector's item now?
It would be fun to fly into an airshow with one of
each, models 1-7 in formation, oldest first.
Kurt S.
--- Bill Cloughley <claw2265@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have an opportunity to pick up one of the earliest
> Kitfoxes. The kit was bought in 85. It is 95%
> complete with excellent workmanship. Has a
> never-been-run 503. I'm thinking about finishing
> the aircraft, getting it inspected, flying the
> initial 20 hours, then selling. Any thoughts on the
> fair market value for a flying, early model Kitfox.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
Dave has a point. This is like sailing with a bent
mast. You must get it straight or replace it. And
the metal "work hardens" when you bend it, then bend
it back like a coat hangar. You probably have to at
least remove the fabric to over bend it to get it
straight. Then inspect it closely.
It may last until you replace it with the spring gear
if you straighten it, but it may not. So I agree, fix
it good for sure, or replace it to reduce the risks.
Don't accept "maybe's". They are expensive.
Kurt S.
--- dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> Michel,
>
> With all due respect I think you should get a second
> opinion. If the hard landing caused damage which
> it did, your gear is already weaked. Further
> stress will most likely happen if you try to
> straighten.
........
> After all , "IF" it does fail, you will be possibly
> looking at minimun a prop and possibly a ground loop
> and who knows what else.
>
> Hope this helps you,
>
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly bent landing gear |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" <aerowood@mcsi.net>
Hi Michel,
It's not too likely that the gear leg or wheel will separate from your Fox.
When Don McCormick did his retractable Fox routine a few years back,
He just had a short landing with left turn off the edge of the narrow grass
strip. One gear leg had folded upon landing. King and I moved the cripple
off the runway, and later the Fox was trallered back home for replacment
leg and check.
You may take out the prop if it does fold on landing, but it takes a pretty
bad landing to do that! Heck, I hit the ground in mine hard enough to buckle
the truss under the front seat, and only bent the legs like yours. I flew it 20
miles to the next stop, test flew again, then flew it 125 miles to SkyStar.
Foxes are tough birds!
Cheers, bh
snip
> I have decided to leave things as they are now. I very close look doesn't
> reveal any crack along the weldings, which are apparent even with the fabric
> on. I think there is little chance that the tube itself has cracks, or does
it?
> The way I look at it, if I have another hard landing, the tube, already
> stressed and weakened, will bend even more and I'll notice it at once since
the
> plane will lean on the side while on the ground. But is it any chance that the
> gear and wheel separates entirely from the plane? I don't see how it can
happen
> by a "simple" hard landing but maybe I missed something. What do you think?
> The plan is now to get the Jabiru installed this winter and after that, change
> my bungee gear for the aluminium one. After all, the fun of flying is flying
> without worrying, isn't it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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