---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/03/04: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:52 AM - SV: Alberta my love (Torgeir Mortensen) 2. 03:28 AM - Re: Alberta my love (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 3. 04:08 AM - Re: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings (Fox5flyer) 4. 05:00 AM - Re: Alberta my love (Gary Algate) 5. 05:09 AM - Re: Alberta my love (Jose M. Toro) 6. 05:14 AM - Re: Alberta my love (Gary Algate) 7. 05:24 AM - Re: Alberta my love (Howard Firm) 8. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: - Was Speedster Vertical Stab now horiz fairing (Lowell Fitt) 9. 05:48 AM - Re: Wood Support for 1-piece Window on Kitfox 5 (Harold Flynn) 10. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: - Was Speedster Vertical Stab now horiz fairing (Lowell Fitt) 11. 06:03 AM - SV: Alberta my love (Torgeir Mortensen) 12. 06:41 AM - Re: Alberta my love (Lowell Fitt) 13. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Re: NSI Ignition pickup_I need one (Comp User) 14. 06:57 AM - Side air outlets (Michel Verheughe) 15. 07:47 AM - Re: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? (Eric Osmond) 16. 07:54 AM - Bleeding air from coolant (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 17. 07:59 AM - Re: Alberta my love (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 18. 08:13 AM - Re: Alberta my love (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 19. 08:46 AM - Avid Radiator - was Alberta my love (Bruce Harrington) 20. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? (Comp User) 21. 10:23 AM - Re: Alberta my love (kurt schrader) 22. 10:39 AM - Rivet numbers, and butt rib (Lynn Matteson) 23. 11:12 AM - Re: Wood Support for 1-piece Window on Kitfox 5 (Flybradair@cs.com) 24. 11:27 AM - Re: Side air outlets (Howard Firm) 25. 11:31 AM - Re: Alberta my love (Howard Firm) 26. 11:43 AM - Rad Scoop Gary. (Harris, Robert) 27. 01:47 PM - Re: Mike Gibbs (Ron) 28. 02:39 PM - Re: Side air outlets (AlbertaIV@aol.com) 29. 02:54 PM - Re: Side air outlets (Howard Firm) 30. 03:21 PM - Re: Side air outlets (Torgeir Mortensen) 31. 03:29 PM - Re: Side air outlets (Torgeir Mortensen) 32. 05:49 PM - Re: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS Engine (Gary Randall) 33. 06:03 PM - Re: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS Engine (Grant Fluent) 34. 06:07 PM - Re: Side air outlets (Rick) 35. 06:08 PM - Re: Wood Support for 1-piece Window on Kitfox 5 (Rick) 36. 06:29 PM - I see that you are in Australia - I am Australian (born in Broken Hill) (Rex & Jan Shaw) 37. 07:08 PM - I had almost decided to put Alberta on the market (Rex & Jan Shaw) 38. 08:00 PM - Re: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? (Jimmie Blackwell) 39. 08:08 PM - S-6 Air Speeds (John Banes) 40. 08:29 PM - Re: S-6 Air Speeds (jdmcbean) 41. 08:29 PM - Re: Re: Mike Gibbs (jdmcbean) 42. 08:44 PM - Re: Alberta my love (jimshumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:31 AM PST US From: Torgeir Mortensen Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Thanks Don, Well, this is simply a safety item. If anything happen with the engine, exhaust leak, water leak, fuel leak -or even fire.. If you go for side outlet's, the air escape will flow over the aft. part of the cowl then over the door's, in other words, mist of any kind from the eng. cowls ?can? be detected in an early state. The lower outlet can't be detected that fast, besides, here the outlet is close to the fabric. Think about this; "from the physics" - we want the cold air to come in from below -and the hot to escape above! If we follow this simple principle, the circulation is self-contained, -then put "a little" ram air into action and see the result. Sure, I'll know about the importance "personality look" -you'll see on the old Kitfox models. However, think about an extended front cowl, the one used on the old models, extended all the way to the firewall,-with the opening around the firewall. This would be fantastic improvement of the cooling problem. Now, for the skeptical, try this; get a few simple car thermometers. Make sure that it's reading correct. Put the probe into an ice bath (a mixture with water and ice stirred), shall indicate zero deg. C., the freezing point. Next, put it into boiling water, shall give a 100 deg. C (212 deg. F) This make sure that your thermometer is "some" accurate. Here is the test; install the probes at chosen places inside the cowl, avoid installing a probe close to heat radiating items. This will give an idea about if your engine cowl cooling effect. Ok, wathever your decision is, good luck -and just fight for it.. :) Cheers Torgeir > From: AlbertaIV@aol.com > Sent: 2004-09-03 01:42:55 CEST > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > > > Cutting such a hole need reinforcement doubler to compensate for the > > cutout, very important. > > > > This is a good modification, also the "physics" very much agree. :) > > > About the possible bad air, think this is much better, cause you'll notice > > > > much faster any abnormality. Well, anything can be discussed-, and I'm > > very much prepared for this one....... > > Cheers > > Torgeir. > > > Torger, > I'm getting out my cutting tools as we speak. I always appreciate you > comments and knowledge on most situation. Please re-send your thoughts on the > bad air. I didn't quite understand. > BTW, don't worry about reinforcement. I'm a reinforcement fool. That's > why Alberta is called Fat Alberta. > > Don Smith > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:32 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/leftside.jpg Take a look at Howards plane (above). You can't see all the detail but his bottom is flat. The radiator is faired in and, notice the nice side vents on his cowl. This is exactly what I propose. However, I had planned to make the side vents with a bubble / reverse scoop on the outside. Howards looks like it would produce less drag. Then again, I'm not a drag engineer. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:43 AM PST US From: "Fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Lube for header tank fittings --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > Darrel, my catalog is of 2002-2003 vintage it is on page 318. Maybe they > have discontinued it for some reason. I will put a little in a Ziploc bag > when I send the other stuff Thursday. > Lowell Lowell, the tailwheels (and lube) arrived yesterday afternoon in great shape. Thanks so much for sending them. Please let me know what I owe you including the shipping and I'll get the money out to you right away. Again, thanks. Darrel ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:47 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" You could be on the money here Jose, I always bleed the coolant system through the top screw on the inlet flange on the head and usually gat another pint of fluid in the system over just filling the main filler inlet. Gary A Lite2/582 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" You must remove all the air from the cooling system in the 582. That's the trick Jose ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:02 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Gary If bleeding the system and separating the radiator from the fuselage don't help, then I'm running out of tricks! Have you considered a bigger radiator? Jose Gary Algate wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" You could be on the money here Jose, I always bleed the coolant system through the top screw on the inlet flange on the head and usually gat another pint of fluid in the system over just filling the main filler inlet. Gary A Lite2/582 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" You must remove all the air from the cooling system in the 582. That's the trick Jose Jos M. Toro, P.E. Computer Systems Validation Engineer Eli-Lilly PR05 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:23 AM PST US From: "Gary Algate" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" Jose My temps are fine - it's Don who's having the problems - I guess we were all trying to identify the root cause of his problem before engineering a fix. In Hind sight I would suggest he leaves the cowl off the plane. That should fix it ?????? Gary A Lite2/582 posted by: "Jose M. Toro" Gary If bleeding the system and separating the radiator from the fuselage don't help, then I'm running out of tricks! Have you considered a bigger radiator? Jose ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:27 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/leftside.jpg > > Take a look at Howards plane (above). You can't see all the detail but his > bottom is flat. The radiator is faired in and, notice the nice side vents on > his cowl. This is exactly what I propose. However, I had planned to make the > side vents with a bubble / reverse scoop on the outside. Howards looks like > it would produce less drag. Then again, I'm not a drag engineer. > > Don Smythe Don, here is a more close-up pic. http://www.mvas.com/sidevent.jpg Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:17 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: - Was Speedster Vertical Stab now horiz fairing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Paul, I did. It was out of ignorance basically, as I ordered the Speedster elevator with the cut out for electric trim, but none of the trim parts. I couldn't figure out how to get that 1" thick servo into the 5/8 (at the widest) elevator. That design and installation is at: http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1041348095 Actually it is the two gap closures in the tail (plus the added benefit of a trim tab, not usual in the Model IV) that I think gives the greatest drag reduction. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: - Was Speedster Vertical Stab now horiz fairing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul > > Let me change the subject a bit. Has any body done the horizontal like the speedster vertical? I looked at doing it but gave up as it was taking to much time to deal with the hinge and the separation. I was looking at a modified airfoil, not a book foil. So now I have the standard foil with the big gap. Sure looks bad from an aero perspective. > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:24 AM PST US From: Harold Flynn Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wood Support for 1-piece Window on Kitfox 5 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Harold Flynn Lonnie_D._Tillinghast@oxy.com wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Is the wood support that runs overhead from front to back on the underside of the 1 piece window necessary? I have seen some Foxes with it and some without. Thanks, Lonnie I did not use it on my s-5.Been flying since 1999 Harold Flynn --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:41 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: - Was Speedster Vertical Stab now horiz fairing --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Paul, I don't understand the deflection part of the question. One advantage of the foam is the ability to put a piece of sandpaper between the contacting surfaces and depending on which side the abrasive is on, you can reduce the surface to eliminate contact. One thing keep in mind - the glass cloth and resin will add a little thickness and since there are two surfaces; two layers. ACS has 1.45 oz./ sq. yd. cloth - P/N/1080-50. They also have two varieties of 1/4" foam. I can't make a recommendation, as the foam I used was discontinued and I have no experience with either of these. Not too expensive, order both and use the best sanding one for the gap seal. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul fairing" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: - Was Speedster Vertical Stab now horiz fairing > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul fairing > > Lynn, > Yes, I mean I gave up on using a standard airfoil in the NACA text book. They came out too thick and heavy. But the real issue was the gap because the parts are so far apart. > > Lowell, > Did your design avoid any deflection of the surfaces? > Do they come in contact? > I guess my effort still used too thick of a foil because I always got interference. Then I gave up. > > Where can we get the foam material? > > Thanks, Paul > ================ > > At 11:15 AM -0400 9/2/04, Lynn Matteson wrote: > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > > >Lowell sent out this address last night: > > > >http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1041348095 > > > >What is a "book foil"? Do you mean like a "textbook" or a "properly > >engineered" airfoil? > >Lynn > >On Thursday, September 2, 2004, at 09:21 AM, Paul wrote: > > > >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul > >> > >> Let me change the subject a bit. Has any body done the horizontal like > >> the speedster vertical? I looked at doing it but gave up as it was > >> taking to much time to deal with the hinge and the separation. I was > >> looking at a modified airfoil, not a book foil. So now I have the > >> standard foil with the big gap. Sure looks bad from an aero > >> perspective. > > > Paul > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:55 AM PST US From: Torgeir Mortensen Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Yes Don, this is the nice "low drag" outlet. I'll think you'll be able to make it even at a higher position, right? Understood that you are going to use the "suction" scope, to make a little "low pressure" the easy way. :) For our speed range, I'll think the scope method will do. Another one outlet (low drag) is the NACA, however, more complicated to make. Torgeir. > From: AlbertaIV@aol.com > Sent: 2004-09-03 12:27:40 CEST > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/leftside.jpg > > Take a look at Howards plane (above). You can't see all the detail but his > bottom is flat. The radiator is faired in and, notice the nice side vents on > his cowl. This is exactly what I propose. However, I had planned to make the > side vents with a bubble / reverse scoop on the outside. Howards looks like > it would produce less drag. Then again, I'm not a drag engineer. > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:23 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" Don, This has been addressed by you and Torgier, but one more thought - consider where your cockpit vents are / will be, as you won't want hot engine air trying to cool you down on hot days. Glad to hear you will be around. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > I had almost decided to put Alberta on the market so I went to the > airport today to start performing a couple repairs to put her in ship-shape > condition and ready for auction block. One is replacing the shrunk tapes on the wing > tops and the other is to concur the 582 overheat problem during climb. Well, > the more I rubbed my hands across here lovely back the more I decided I > couldn't part with such beauty. > I sat down in front of her prop and starred at the radiator for over an > hour. I had already lowered the rad once to below the engine outlet air > (about 4 inches). This will fix the problem but, I must say it quickly approaches > ugly. > I think I may have come up with another idea but need your opinions. I > want to cut off the 2"-3" protrusion on the bottom of the engine cowl that > provides cowl exhaust. Then fiberglass the bottom of the cowl so it is flush with > the belly all the way across. I believe it is the heat from the engine > exhausting directly into the rad causing the overheat during climb. More > important, that 2"-3" cowl exhaust protrusion is causing the cool air to be deflected > down and under the rad therefore placing 1/2 the rad in a void. > Here is where I need your opinions....I read somewhere a comment that > stated, > "For aerodynamic purposes, the best place to exhaust engine cowl air is on > the sides verses the bottom of a cowl" My thought is to provide a 3"X6" > (approximate) hole on each "SIDE" of the cowl (about 1/2 the way up from t he bottom) > just fwd of the firewall. On the outside will be a reverse scoop to assist is > pulling the air out of the cowl. It would seem better to get the air out of > the middle of the sides than the bottom since this is adjacent to the muffler. > Not to mention the above statement I read concerning best location. > The only drawback that comes to mind is the possibility of getting bad > air into the cockpit by having the engine vents on the side. What other > comments do you guys have on this idea. Hurry up, I'm getting the itch to cut. > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:27 AM PST US From: "Comp User" Subject: Re: RE: RE: Kitfox-List: NSI Ignition pickup_I need one --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" All I can get at NSI for 6 days is the answer machine. You mentioned that you have a complete pickup unit. I am still grounded, so I am interested. Let me know. You can contact me off list if you would like. trebla@directinter.net Put motor in the subject line or my spam software will trash the message. Thanks Albert Smith Grounded 5 TD ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:02 AM PST US From: Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] > Understood that you are going to use the "suction" scope, to make a little "low > pressure" the easy way. :) > For our speed range, I'll think the scope method will do. Torgeir, I know that this is not my thread but since I intend to install a Jabiru and make an entirely new cowling, I follow the discussion very closely. I just made a little drawing here, at work (don't tell my boss! :-) and I wonder what you think of it: http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/cooling.png Could that be a good cowling for a Jabiru? I mean, with outlets on both sides, much like Howard has it. ... BTW, which engine do you have Howard? Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:23 AM PST US From: Eric Osmond Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Eric Osmond My original plan was to get more info on the cap 140, and I was leaning towards purchasing that prop, but I've been trying unsuccessfully to get in touch with NSI via phone fax and e-mail for weeks. I'm not sure I could order one even if I decided I wanted to. But I don't know enough about the either prop (ivo or cap 140) to figure out what the differences would be in terms of performance. Both come in two and three blade configurations, both adjust pitch... I'm sure there are dozens of other considerations but I'm not sure what they would be. Currently I'm leaning toward the IVO simply because I can call up and order the prop... hmmm... what to do... what to do... Eric Rick wrote: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" I use and would recomend the NSI CAP. It is made for the EA-81 and the proper gear ratio can be achieved for the prop you intend to use. The Warp blades work well for me and the companies both stand behind their products. Rick EA-81 Turbo CAP 140 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" I can't really speak for the IVO Eric, but the NSI electric prop (CAP) was specifically designed for the NSI engine. I love mine and can't fault it at all. It's worked perfectly from the beginning. Their track record isn't perfect, but it's pretty darn good and there's a lot of them out there working fine. As for price, I don't know what they cost these days, but one definitely gets what one pays for. There are several others out there also, including Proplink that you might want to consider. However, IVO's track record in the past few years seems to be pretty good and I think it's the most inexpensive. Let us know what you finally decide on. Darrel > Hi all, > I'm still trying to research my prop options on a model IV-1200 with > nsi ea-81 engine. I started looking at the IVO in-flight adjustable prop. Has anyone had any experience running an IVO in-flight adjustable on an EA-81 engine. > > Thanks for any input or advice. > Eric > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:06 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Bleeding air from coolant --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com You could be on the money here Jose, I always bleed the coolant system through the top screw on the inlet flange on the head and usually gat another pint of fluid in the system over just filling the main filler inlet. Gary A Lite2/582 Gary, Here is the way I bleed air and it works like a champ every time. 1. Fill the system. 2. Bleed the top screw on the water pump housing. 3. Disconnect the 1/4" hose from the head to the filler assy (at the filler assy end). 4 Temporarily cap the 1/4" copper stem on the filler. 5 Temporarily attach a 1/4" clear tube (3' long) to the end of the hose. 5. Top off the filler neck with coolant mixture and start a syphon through the clear tubing into a clean container on the floor. 6. Maintain the filler neck full with mixture as you syphon off from the head. 7. As you syphon, shake the engine side to side and you will see bubbles in the clear tubing. 8. When the bubbles stop, allow the coolant to go down a couple inches in the filler neck. 9. Remove the plug at the filler and the Temp clear hose. 10. Quickly reconnect the original hose to the filler and top off coolant. Gets all the air every time and only takes a few minutes...... Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:35 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 9/3/04 5:25:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pianome2@mchsi.com writes: > Don, here is a more close-up pic. > > > http://www.mvas.com/sidevent.jpg > > > Howard Firm > Howard, I saw that pic a littler earlier. Your vent looks like it would be a lot harder to fabricate than using a simple "clamshell" vent on the outside. Do you feel one design is better than the other? I like the simple way. Thanks, Don Smythe ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:58 AM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 9/3/04 6:42:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lcfitt@inreach.com writes: > Don, This has been addressed by you and Torgier, but one more thought - > consider where your cockpit vents are / will be, as you won't want hot > engine air trying to cool you down on hot days. > > Glad to hear you will be around. > > Lowell > Lowell, I usually fly in the summer with the upper door windows completely removed. You can fly along with your elbow resting on the door post like when we were kids cruising around the local drive-in in our 57 Chevy. I get very little wind blowing in when the windows are removed. What the heck, as much MEK as we've ingested, what's a little exhaust gas. Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:23 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrington" Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Radiator - was Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrington" Hi John, It was for 2-stroke Rotaxes, which turn clockwise. bh > Bruce, > > Was that for a 2-stroke or a 4-stroke Rotax? In other words was it a > function of prop wash? > > -- > John King > Warrenton, VA ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:08 AM PST US From: "Comp User" Subject: Re: RE: Kitfox-List: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Comp User" I ran the Ivo 3 blade adj. prop on my first plane. (Challenger) It was easy to set up and never had a problem with operation. Support was fantastic. The only thing that I ran into was the brush system. It will not work on a belt drive. The bracket has to go around the pully and is subject to vibration. If it is a direct drive or a gearbox then it will work fine. I now have a CAP 140 3 blade on my mod 5 with NSI turbo. It has worked fine so far. Support is good if you can get someone to answer the phone. They function differently which is why the cost is so different. Albert Smith Grounded 5TD ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:38 AM PST US From: kurt schrader Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader Don, I am not sure how Howard did it, but I have been considering just cutting the front, top and bottom edges of the vent and bending it in at the rear. Then just glass in the top and bottom wedges and clean it up. It should be easier and lower drag than making your bubbles. You might have to blow a little heat on the rear vent bend to reduce the stress. Thanks Howard for your design! Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo --- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > http://www.sportflight.com/uploads/leftside.jpg > > Take a look at Howards plane (above). You can't see > all the detail but his > bottom is flat. The radiator is faired in and, > notice the nice side vents on > his cowl. This is exactly what I propose. However, > I had planned to make the > side vents with a bubble / reverse scoop on the > outside. Howards looks like > it would produce less drag. Then again, I'm not a > drag engineer. > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE _______________________________ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:28 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Rivet numbers, and butt rib From: Lynn Matteson --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson The butt rib on my IV has been riveted from the inside of the rib, leaving the lumpy bottoms and washers exposed. When this gets covered with fabric, it'll look bad, so I'm going to drill each one out and replace each with the heads on the outside...instructions don't say which way to do it, at least not as far as I could see. It calls for a "95006 RIVET 1/8 x 3/8 AS. TWO PER BRACKET" On my packing list I can find no mention of a 95006 rivet. The numbers for rivets, as near as I can see is 95001 - 95008 and some others, but no 95006's. And what does the "AS." stand for? Aluminum/Steel? Also, it seems like I could substitute hardware store rivets in this location, couldn't I? In the same area, they call for a "strip of backing material" to be glued to the inner top capstrip. What should this backing mat'l. be made of? I see no labled mat'l. in my inventory. It would seem like an aluminum strip of about .050" or so should do it, eh? Anybody know the exact dimensions? Lynn p.s. Gee, it looks like I'm gonna finally get to do something, even it it's only RE-doing something! ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:50 AM PST US From: Flybradair@cs.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Support for 1-piece Window on Kitfox 5 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Flybradair@cs.com Skystar says that as long as you have the 1 piece windshield (1 peice that goes back to the rear spar),the center rib is not needed. Brad Martin Wichita 5 o235-l2c wiring wrote: >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: > >Is the wood support that runs overhead from front to back on the >underside of the 1 piece window necessary? I have seen some Foxes with >it and some without. > >Thanks, >Lonnie > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:18 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > > > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] > > Understood that you are going to use the "suction" scope, to make a little "low > > pressure" the easy way. :) > > For our speed range, I'll think the scope method will do. > > Torgeir, I know that this is not my thread but since I intend to install a Jabiru and make an entirely new cowling, I follow the discussion very closely. > I just made a little drawing here, at work (don't tell my boss! :-) and I wonder what you think of it: > > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/cooling.png > > Could that be a good cowling for a Jabiru? I mean, with outlets on both sides, much like Howard has it. ... BTW, which engine do you have Howard? > > Cheers, > Michel I have the NSI Turbo....The main reason I added to vents was to let the air going by the turbo cleanly escape. Even at idle, I can put my hand behind the vents and feel the hot air moving out....If I can just get my registration, I'll test it in flight!!! Very frustrating!!! Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:28 AM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > > > > Howard, > I saw that pic a littler earlier. Your vent looks like it would be a lot > harder to fabricate than using a simple "clamshell" vent on the outside. Do > you feel one design is better than the other? I like the simple way. > > Thanks, > Don Smythe This was actually very easy....I just cut out the forward vertical and two horizontal slits, folded the fiberglass "flap" in and made two aluminum "Z" type brackets that are riveted and epoxied in place. It makes a very stiff opening. Howard Firm 508 12th St. South Virginia MN 55792 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:46 AM PST US From: "Harris, Robert" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rad Scoop Gary. --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" Hi Gary, I just ordered a scoop from Skystar and they told me that the radiator scoop will not lower my water temps on my Rotax 582 Bluehead. They said the scoop is a model IV speedster option and will restrict the air flow. I ordered it anyway since it lowered your temps and will try to install it on my model II Kitfox. Do you have spring gear or bungee gear? Robert -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Algate Subject: RE: Do you have any pics?RE: Kitfox-List: Rad Scoop --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" Robert and Steve. I'll post some photos tomorrow - no big deal to fit although I didn't follow the Skystar directions as that would have meant lifting the floor. I just used 4 x 8/32 SS screws and lock nuts which I drilled through the floor and made cylindrical aluminum spacer tubes (about 1/2" long) to fill the space between the floor and the fabric. The Rad hoses go through cut outs in the side of the scoop (clearly outlined in the mold). It took me about 3 hours to set up. I also added a stiffener in the bottom which I fiberglassed in place so that I could screw my lights into. Regards Gary Algate Lite2/582 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:02 PM PST US From: "Ron" Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mike Gibbs --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" Has anyone heard more about how Mike is doing since the crash? Ron ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:29 PM PST US From: AlbertaIV@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com In a message dated 9/3/04 11:28:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pianome2@mchsi.com writes: > I have the NSI Turbo....The main reason I added to vents was to let the air > going by the turbo cleanly escape. Even at idle, I can put my hand behind > the vents and feel the hot air moving out....If I can just get my > registration, I'll test it in flight!!! Very frustrating!!! > > > Howard Firm > 508 12th St. South > Virginia MN 55792 > Howard, After studying your vents, I find a very serious defect in your design which could result in danger to life and aircraft. I only saw one side of your airplane but assume there is a vent also on the other side. This is "GOOD" because it will allow most birds an option on which side to exit the cowl. On the other hand, I calculate the openings of your vents are entirely too small for a North American Buzzard to comfortably exit without doing harm to himself. In your particular case, I would recommend placing a large hinged area on the bottom of the cowl which can opened similar to bomb-bay doors. In the outside chance that you should get a flock of the rather large North American Buzzard's in the cowl you could simply pull a cockpit handle to open the bomb-bay doors. The longer they are allow to stay in the cowl the better chance they will eat your fuel lines. Make sure you do not use MIL-6000 fuel lines. It is a known fact that the rubber in those lines will kill a North American Buzzard. Afterall, they are a protected Bird. Good luck on the registration Don Smythe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:41 PM PST US From: "Howard Firm" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" > Howard, > After studying your vents, I find a very serious defect in your design > which could result in danger to life and aircraft. > I only saw one side of your airplane but assume there is a vent also on > the other side. This is "GOOD" because it will allow most birds an option on > which side to exit the cowl. On the other hand, I calculate the openings of > your vents are entirely too small for a North American Buzzard to comfortably > exit without doing harm to himself. In your particular case, I would recommend > placing a large hinged area on the bottom of the cowl which can opened similar > to bomb-bay doors. In the outside chance that you should get a flock of the > rather large North American Buzzard's in the cowl you could simply pull a > cockpit handle to open the bomb-bay doors. The longer they are allow to stay in > the cowl the better chance they will eat your fuel lines. Make sure you do not > use MIL-6000 fuel lines. It is a known fact that the rubber in those lines > will kill a North American Buzzard. Afterall, they are a protected Bird. > > Good luck on the registration > > Don Smythe Hahaha, Don the first sentence scared the heck out of me!!!....I was wondering what the heck I did wrong!! Actually I have this problem taken care of...You could not know this if you have not seen the front of the plane. The oil cooler is made up of razor sharp cooling fins that will nicely slice and dice any protected species of North American Bird. The pieces therefore can be scattered to the wind after exiting the side cowl vents. Howard DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Hi Michel, From my point, anyone can jump in, esp. you my friend.. :) :) The side outlets, lower the "escape resistance" for the hot air, so it's for sure an improvement for the cooling effect/flow in any "hot engine compartment" vs. the bottom escape. As you're planning for a Jabiru engine, you'll need a baffle system to direct airflow to the two aft. cylinders as well to the two in front (as a Jabiru is an air-cooled engine). This to avoid the known overheating problem with the two aft. cylinders. You better use the original baffle system that Jabiru supply, then you just make a superb low resistant side outlets. (Your drawing is superb -and I'm not going to tell..) Cheers, Torgeir. On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:56:54 +0200 (CEST), Michel Verheughe wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > >> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] >> Understood that you are going to use the "suction" scope, to make a >> little "low >> pressure" the easy way. :) >> For our speed range, I'll think the scope method will do. > > Torgeir, I know that this is not my thread but since I intend to install > a Jabiru and make an entirely new cowling, I follow the discussion very > closely. > I just made a little drawing here, at work (don't tell my boss! :-) and > I wonder what you think of it: > > http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/cooling.png > > Could that be a good cowling for a Jabiru? I mean, with outlets on both > sides, much like Howard has it. ... BTW, which engine do you have Howard? > > Cheers, > Michel > > do not archive > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets From: Torgeir Mortensen --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen Ha ha ha, Don.. As always.. Such a good comment makes life nice. Torgeir. On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:39:01 EDT, wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 9/3/04 11:28:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > pianome2@mchsi.com writes: > > >> I have the NSI Turbo....The main reason I added to vents was to let the >> air >> going by the turbo cleanly escape. Even at idle, I can put my hand >> behind >> the vents and feel the hot air moving out....If I can just get my >> registration, I'll test it in flight!!! Very frustrating!!! >> >> >> Howard Firm >> 508 12th St. South >> Virginia MN 55792 >> > > Howard, > After studying your vents, I find a very serious defect in your > design > which could result in danger to life and aircraft. > I only saw one side of your airplane but assume there is a vent also > on > the other side. This is "GOOD" because it will allow most birds an > option on > which side to exit the cowl. On the other hand, I calculate the > openings of > your vents are entirely too small for a North American Buzzard to > comfortably > exit without doing harm to himself. In your particular case, I would > recommend > placing a large hinged area on the bottom of the cowl which can opened > similar > to bomb-bay doors. In the outside chance that you should get a flock of > the > rather large North American Buzzard's in the cowl you could simply pull a > cockpit handle to open the bomb-bay doors. The longer they are allow to > stay in > the cowl the better chance they will eat your fuel lines. Make sure you > do not > use MIL-6000 fuel lines. It is a known fact that the rubber in those > lines > will kill a North American Buzzard. Afterall, they are a protected Bird. > > Good luck on the registration > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:51 PM PST US From: "Gary Randall" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS Engine --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Randall" Jeffrey, Thank you very much for the info, I will ask that question of the PD. Thank you every one for all your info and support Gary Randall S7 >From: "Jeffrey Puls" >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS Engine >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:54:43 -0400 > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > >Gary, >Contact the officer in your department that is doing the follow up, not the >preliminary investigation. Ask him if he entered it in LEADS. LEADS is a >data system run by the FBI. Everybody uses it. Officers use it when they >run in to something suspicious and want run a serial number or something. >If the information is entered, they will get a hit, no matter where they >are. If your police department didn't enter it or they can't for some >reason, I'll enter it. Jeff Puls Columbus, Ohio Division of Police Classic >IV > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Gary Randall > > To: > > Date: 8/31/2004 10:07:16 PM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS Engine > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Randall" > > > > I just had my NEW Rotax 912 engine stolen. The serial # is 4427002. >Does > > anyone on the list know if there is a place I can report this engine >stolen > > that might help keep it from being sold? > > I have reported this to my local PD, I am just looking to put the word >out > > in our community. > > Thanks > > Gary Randall > > S7 > > Aberdeen, WA > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:08 PM PST US From: Grant Fluent Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS Engine --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Grant Fluent Gary, I was just curious if you had builder's insurance for the kit? If so, will it cover the engine? Grant Fluent Newcastle, NE Classic IV 912S do not archive --- Gary Randall wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Randall" > > > Jeffrey, > Thank you very much for the info, I will ask that > question of the PD. > > Thank you every one for all your info and support > Gary Randall > S7 > > > >From: "Jeffrey Puls" > >Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS > Engine > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:54:43 -0400 > > > >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Puls" > > > > >Gary, > >Contact the officer in your department that is > doing the follow up, not the > >preliminary investigation. Ask him if he entered it > in LEADS. LEADS is a > >data system run by the FBI. Everybody uses it. > Officers use it when they > >run in to something suspicious and want run a > serial number or something. > >If the information is entered, they will get a hit, > no matter where they > >are. If your police department didn't enter it or > they can't for some > >reason, I'll enter it. Jeff Puls Columbus, Ohio > Division of Police Classic > >IV > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Gary Randall > > > To: > > > Date: 8/31/2004 10:07:16 PM > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Stolen Rotax 912 ULS > Engine > > > > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary > Randall" > > > > > > I just had my NEW Rotax 912 engine stolen. The > serial # is 4427002. > >Does > > > anyone on the list know if there is a place I > can report this engine > >stolen > > > that might help keep it from being sold? > > > I have reported this to my local PD, I am just > looking to put the word > >out > > > in our community. > > > Thanks > > > Gary Randall > > > S7 > > > Aberdeen, WA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:32 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" The air can exit there but it needs to go over the top and out the bottom of the cylinders so the rear cylinders are not getting pre heated air. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel Verheughe Subject: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no] > Understood that you are going to use the "suction" scope, to make a little "low > pressure" the easy way. :) > For our speed range, I'll think the scope method will do. Torgeir, I know that this is not my thread but since I intend to install a Jabiru and make an entirely new cowling, I follow the discussion very closely. I just made a little drawing here, at work (don't tell my boss! :-) and I wonder what you think of it: http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/cooling.png Could that be a good cowling for a Jabiru? I mean, with outlets on both sides, much like Howard has it. ... BTW, which engine do you have Howard? Cheers, Michel do not archive ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:22 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wood Support for 1-piece Window on Kitfox 5 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" No. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lonnie_D._Tillinghast@oxy.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Wood Support for 1-piece Window on Kitfox 5 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Is the wood support that runs overhead from front to back on the underside of the 1 piece window necessary? I have seen some Foxes with it and some without. Thanks, Lonnie ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:58 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: I see that you are in Australia - I am Australian (born in Broken Hill) --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Well it is indeed a small world then. I too was born in Broken Hill in 1940. I don't suppose you were born the same year as well ? Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:55 PM PST US From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Subject: Kitfox-List: I had almost decided to put Alberta on the market --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" Well Don, I'm glad to see you've come to your senses and are going to keep the old girl. After all she has been faithfull has she not ? Re your cooling and venting though. I was over the hanger looking at my plane yesterday re fitting my scoop. My radiator is about 1ft back from the cowling but right up against the bottom of the floor. The 582 motor always runs about 160 and at most see 180. The only exception is a lot of taxi-ing in hot weather. My cowl does drop down underneath like yours too and I can follow your thoughts re closing that up level and side venting. Might be better than lowering that radiator like crazy to feed that warm air over the top. However it's a fairly big deal to do all that. I don't see why you are going to get bad air in the cabin though with side vents. Where is it going to come from if you have no exhaust leaks and the pipe exits down say 6" or so. You could get a little warm air in but depending on the weather that might not be a bad thing. The side vents won't look as neat. Also depending on where your static vents are you will want to think about effects. Rex. rexjan@bigpond.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:18 PM PST US From: "Jimmie Blackwell" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" Good prop, but good luck if you need some help. I have been trying for months to help a friend get his prop angle indicator working. NSI has poor customer service. Sorry to be negative but the truth. Jimmie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Osmond" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Eric Osmond > > My original plan was to get more info on the cap 140, and I > was leaning towards purchasing that prop, but > I've been trying unsuccessfully to get in touch with NSI via > phone fax and e-mail for weeks. I'm not sure I could order one > even if I decided I wanted to. > > But I don't know enough about the either prop (ivo or cap 140) to figure > out what the differences would be in terms of performance. Both come > in two and three blade configurations, both adjust pitch... I'm sure > there are dozens of other considerations but I'm not sure what they would > be. Currently I'm leaning toward the IVO simply because I can call up and > order the prop... hmmm... what to do... what to do... > Eric > > Rick wrote: > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" > > I use and would recomend the NSI CAP. It is made for the EA-81 and the > proper gear ratio can be achieved for the prop you intend to use. The Warp > blades work well for me and the companies both stand behind their products. > > Rick EA-81 Turbo CAP 140 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ivo adjustable prop on nsi engine? > > > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" > > I can't really speak for the IVO Eric, but the NSI electric prop (CAP) was > specifically designed for the NSI engine. I love mine and can't fault it at > all. It's worked perfectly from the beginning. Their track record isn't > perfect, but it's pretty darn good and there's a lot of them out there > working fine. As for price, I don't know what they cost these days, but one > definitely gets what one pays for. There are several others out there also, > including Proplink that you might want to consider. However, IVO's track > record in the past few years seems to be pretty good and I think it's the > most inexpensive. Let us know what you finally decide on. > Darrel > > > Hi all, > > I'm still trying to research my prop options on a model IV-1200 with > > nsi ea-81 engine. I started looking at the IVO in-flight adjustable prop. > Has anyone had any experience running an IVO in-flight adjustable on an > EA-81 engine. > > > > Thanks for any input or advice. > > Eric > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:54 PM PST US From: "John Banes" Subject: Kitfox-List: S-6 Air Speeds --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" I'm doing the final assembly of my Series 6, 912S, 1550 GW. I need the nominal air speeds for the following. I could not locate them in the builder's manual. The airspeed indicator needs to be properly marked for FAA inspection. Vne White Arc Green Arc Thanks, John S. Banes ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:49 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S-6 Air Speeds --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Hey John, Glad to hear your finishing up.. would love to see it. The speeds you asked for should be in the book.. pg 10 final assembly. Red Vne.. 140 mph Yellow Arc.. 120 - 139 mph Green Arc.. ?? to 119 mph White Arc.. ?? to 80 Don't know how you are supposed to have the airspeed indicator marked with the bottom of the Green and White Arcs when those speeds are established during the flight test period. Blue Skies John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Banes Subject: Kitfox-List: S-6 Air Speeds --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Banes" I'm doing the final assembly of my Series 6, 912S, 1550 GW. I need the nominal air speeds for the following. I could not locate them in the builder's manual. The airspeed indicator needs to be properly marked for FAA inspection. Vne White Arc Green Arc Thanks, John S. Banes ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:49 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Mike Gibbs --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" Haven't asked... I may find some more out tomorrow. Blue Skies John & Debra McBean "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mike Gibbs --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Ron" Has anyone heard more about how Mike is doing since the crash? Ron ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:40 PM PST US From: "jimshumaker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" Don On the advantage of having the cowling air exit to the bottom...I had a very small oil leak and it made the bottom of the airplane very oily. I would prefer to keep the bottom of my airplane dirty rather than let the sides get oily. Jim Shumaker ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com > > In a message dated 9/2/04 3:09:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, asq1@adelphia.net > writes: > > > > Send me a phone 3 sometime and we can talk about cooling. Phone is free for > > me. Larry Huntley,Kitfox 4-1200, 370 hrs,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA > > > > > > (804) 642-2508 > > Don Smythe > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >