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1. 12:36 AM - You must remove all the air from the cooling system in the 582. That's the (Rex & Jan Shaw)
2. 12:41 AM - Re: Re: Mike Gibbs (Michel Verheughe)
3. 01:55 AM - Re: Alberta my love (broschart)
4. 03:14 AM - All You Ever Need To Know About Panel LEDs (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
5. 04:53 AM - Re: Side air outlets (Dee Young)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Alberta my love (Torgeir Mortensen)
7. 05:47 AM - Side vent "end of story" (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
8. 06:16 AM - Re: Side air outlets (Michel Verheughe)
9. 07:07 AM - Re: Side air outlets (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: Knight Aircraft Upholstery/Interiors (Sam Knight)
11. 09:24 AM - Re: Knight Aircraft Upholstery/Interiors E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KITFOX\KITFOX~1\KIT2.JPG; E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KITFOX\KITFOX~1\KIT3.JPG; E:\EUDORA\OUTGOING\OUTGOING\KITFOX\KITFOX~1\KITPLN.JPG; (Don Pearsall)
12. 11:31 AM - Re: Side air outlets (kurt schrader)
13. 02:57 PM - Re: Side air outlets (Michel Verheughe)
14. 05:37 PM - Re: Side air outlets (Fox5flyer)
15. 05:44 PM - Jabiru for sale (Fox5flyer)
16. 05:46 PM - Fw: Jabiru for sale (Fox5flyer)
17. 07:30 PM - Re: Bleeding air from coolant (Jose M. Toro)
18. 07:49 PM - Kitfox Wings (Jose M. Toro)
19. 08:04 PM - Radiator for 582 (Jose M. Toro)
20. 08:51 PM - Anyone going to Greenville? (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | You must remove all the air from the cooling system in the |
582. That's the
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
The guy that built my plane would 100% agree with you. He put in a water
pressure gauge to be sure. Also he is a mechanical engineer. I know mine is
a little tricky at times to get all the air completely out of the system.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Ron wrote:
> Has anyone heard more about how Mike is doing since the crash?
I wrote him a private message, wishing him to get well soon. I am sure he will
write to us as soon as he is in condition to do so.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Alberta my love |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
why not open the top, it'd be like a car hood and hot air rises so it would be
the easy way out, also be a big help clearing the wind shield flying in icing
conditions
Have a good day - Charlie
Larry Huntley wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>
> Good for you ,Don! I had a hard time thinking of you parting w/ your old
> friend.
> Send me a phone 3 sometime and we can talk about cooling. Phone is free for
> me. Larry Huntley,Kitfox 4-1200, 370 hrs,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> > I had almost decided to put Alberta on the market so I went to the
> > airport today to start performing a couple repairs to put her in
> ship-shape
> > condition and ready for auction block. One is replacing the shrunk tapes
> on the wing
> > tops and the other is to concur the 582 overheat problem during climb.
> Well,
> > the more I rubbed my hands across here lovely back the more I decided I
> > couldn't part with such beauty.
> > I sat down in front of her prop and starred at the radiator for over
> an
> > hour. I had already lowered the rad once to below the engine outlet air
> > (about 4 inches). This will fix the problem but, I must say it quickly
> approaches
> > ugly.
> > I think I may have come up with another idea but need your opinions.
> I
> > want to cut off the 2"-3" protrusion on the bottom of the engine cowl that
> > provides cowl exhaust. Then fiberglass the bottom of the cowl so it is
> flush with
> > the belly all the way across. I believe it is the heat from the engine
> > exhausting directly into the rad causing the overheat during climb. More
> > important, that 2"-3" cowl exhaust protrusion is causing the cool air to
> be deflected
> > down and under the rad therefore placing 1/2 the rad in a void.
> > Here is where I need your opinions....I read somewhere a comment that
> > stated,
> > "For aerodynamic purposes, the best place to exhaust engine cowl air is on
> > the sides verses the bottom of a cowl" My thought is to provide a 3"X6"
> > (approximate) hole on each "SIDE" of the cowl (about 1/2 the way up from
> the bottom)
> > just fwd of the firewall. On the outside will be a reverse scoop to
> assist is
> > pulling the air out of the cowl. It would seem better to get the air out
> of
> > the middle of the sides than the bottom since this is adjacent to the
> muffler.
> > Not to mention the above statement I read concerning best location.
> > The only drawback that comes to mind is the possibility of getting bad
> > air into the cockpit by having the engine vents on the side. What other
> > comments do you guys have on this idea. Hurry up, I'm getting the itch to
> cut.
> >
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | All You Ever Need To Know About Panel LEDs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Hello Foxers,
Almost everyone has a need for some form of LED installation in his/her
panel and from time to time the subject comes up on this list or the Aerolectric
list. Here are a couple of links that are well worth checking out:
_http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/leds3.pdf_
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/leds3.pdf)
_http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/led.htm_
(http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/led.htm)
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: Side air outlets |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:53:16 -0600
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
Michel, I fly with the KFM 112 which is very close to the same design as the Jabiru.
Kitfox provided a cowl with a reverse air scoop on the bottom for that engine
option. I experienced some over heating early on but have since managed
to take care of it following the baffle design now offered by Jabiru. It works
pretty good.
Dee Young
Model II N345DY
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----- Original Message -----
From: Michel Verheughe<mailto:michel@online.no>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Side air outlets
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no<mailto:michel@online.no>>
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> Understood that you are going to use the "suction" scope, to make a little
"low
> pressure" the easy way. :)
> For our speed range, I'll think the scope method will do.
Torgeir, I know that this is not my thread but since I intend to install a Jabiru
and make an entirely new cowling, I follow the discussion very closely.
I just made a little drawing here, at work (don't tell my boss! :-) and I wonder
what you think of it:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/cooling.png<http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/cooling.png>
Could that be a good cowling for a Jabiru? I mean, with outlets on both sides,
much like Howard has it. ... BTW, which engine do you have Howard?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Alberta my love |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Hi Charlie,
You're right the top outlet is the best, I just wondered how long it will
take before someone ask this question.
The reason not using the top vent method is safety only.
If something happen with your engine, as oil leakage, cooling fluid etc.
etc., this block your visibility when you most need it.
Cheers
Torgeir.
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:45:37 -0400, broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: broschart <cfbflyer@localnet.com>
>
> why not open the top, it'd be like a car hood and hot air rises so it
> would be
> the easy way out, also be a big help clearing the wind shield flying in
> icing
> conditions
>
> Have a good day - Charlie
>
> Larry Huntley wrote:
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Good for you ,Don! I had a hard time thinking of you parting w/ your old
>> friend.
>> Send me a phone 3 sometime and we can talk about cooling. Phone is
>> free for
>> me. Larry Huntley,Kitfox 4-1200, 370 hrs,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Alberta my love
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>> >
>> > I had almost decided to put Alberta on the market so I went to the
>> > airport today to start performing a couple repairs to put her in
>> ship-shape
>> > condition and ready for auction block. One is replacing the shrunk
>> tapes
>> on the wing
>> > tops and the other is to concur the 582 overheat problem during climb.
>> Well,
>> > the more I rubbed my hands across here lovely back the more I decided
>> I
>> > couldn't part with such beauty.
>> > I sat down in front of her prop and starred at the radiator for
>> over
>> an
>> > hour. I had already lowered the rad once to below the engine outlet
>> air
>> > (about 4 inches). This will fix the problem but, I must say it
>> quickly
>> approaches
>> > ugly.
>> > I think I may have come up with another idea but need your
>> opinions.
>> I
>> > want to cut off the 2"-3" protrusion on the bottom of the engine cowl
>> that
>> > provides cowl exhaust. Then fiberglass the bottom of the cowl so it
>> is
>> flush with
>> > the belly all the way across. I believe it is the heat from the
>> engine
>> > exhausting directly into the rad causing the overheat during climb.
>> More
>> > important, that 2"-3" cowl exhaust protrusion is causing the cool air
>> to
>> be deflected
>> > down and under the rad therefore placing 1/2 the rad in a void.
>> > Here is where I need your opinions....I read somewhere a comment
>> that
>> > stated,
>> > "For aerodynamic purposes, the best place to exhaust engine cowl air
>> is on
>> > the sides verses the bottom of a cowl" My thought is to provide a
>> 3"X6"
>> > (approximate) hole on each "SIDE" of the cowl (about 1/2 the way up
>> from
>> the bottom)
>> > just fwd of the firewall. On the outside will be a reverse scoop to
>> assist is
>> > pulling the air out of the cowl. It would seem better to get the air
>> out
>> of
>> > the middle of the sides than the bottom since this is adjacent to the
>> muffler.
>> > Not to mention the above statement I read concerning best location.
>> > The only drawback that comes to mind is the possibility of
>> getting bad
>> > air into the cockpit by having the engine vents on the side. What
>> other
>> > comments do you guys have on this idea. Hurry up, I'm getting the
>> itch to
>> cut.
>> >
>> > Don Smythe
>> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Side vent "end of story" |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
To All,
Thanks for the comments on side vents. A couple possible downsides were
introduction of bad ju ju into the cockpit and getting oil stains on the side.
I don't think I will worry too much about the ju ju and oil stains on the
side can be used as a time to "wash me" indicator.
For the side vents, I plan to use a product that I used in many places on
Alberta. It's a thin (about .040") fiberglass sheet that's used on
Greenhouses. It's rigid enough to hold the shape and quite strong after adding
a small
backing ridge. Can also be doubled up for areas needing extra strength. I
used this for the door bottoms, turtledeck (handmade), top cowl door and,
fairing covers around the horiz/vert tail section.
For the cowl vents, I made a paper template and creased it to provide the
look and fit I needed. Lay the template flat onto a piece of the .040"
fiberglass and trace the edges and crease points. You can then scribe the
fiberglass and break it along the creases. The fiberglass will not separate when
bent
90 degrees but you do have to go back and add some epoxy to re-bond the
break. Add some fiberglass reinforcement and it's a done deal.
I will cut out the bottom of the cowl as necessary and use the same .040"
glass to put in a new flat bottom. Again, reinforcing as necessary.
As an extra bonus, I will close in the radiator and fair in the bottom
and sides all the way back to the aft carry thru tube. Leave the aft well open
as the exhaust. This will fair in all of the Grove gear attachment. and
provide a warm spot for grabbing some extra cabin heat.
Even the Rich Man liked the paper template side vents taped onto the
cowl. If he likes it, it must look OK. He sure has become critical in his old
age.
Thanks again,
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Side air outlets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
(I'll answer several email, here)
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> You better use the original baffle system that Jabiru supply
Oh, yes! I will, Torgeir! I'll look at the side outlets ONLY if the Jabiru
importer thinks it's a good idea and that it fits the baffle.
Dee Young wrote:
> Kitfox provided a cowl with a reverse air scoop on the bottom for that engine
option.
Thanks. I know, Dee. I wrote to Skystar, asking if their smooth cowl could fit
my model 3 but they couldn't answer. I think I'll have to make my own and then
I can decide where the air outlet will be.
Rick wrote:
> The air can exit there but it needs to go over the top and out the bottom of
> the cylinders so the rear cylinders are not getting pre heated air.
Indeed, Rick. This is why I'll only consider it if it matches the Jabiru baffle.
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> You're right the top outlet is the best, I just wondered how long it will
> take before someone ask this question.
I wrote exactly that two days ago, Torgeir, pointing out that hot air on the
top could even improve lift.
> The reason not using the top vent method is safety only.
And I came to the same conclusion. Jim has also a point in having the oil
stains on the belly instead of the sides (and certainly not on the windscreen).
But maybe, if I have a leak, I'd like to see it at once, on the side of the
fuselage ... I don't know.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Side air outlets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/4/04 6:17:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, michel@online.no
writes:
> But maybe, if I have a leak, I'd like to see it at once, on the side of the
> fuselage ... I don't know.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
Michel,
Good point. Even a small leak could show up quickly on the sides and
give you ample time to "fix" the small leak before it gets bigger. In the case
of a 582, I will hold a top cowl opening for the subject of a later design. I
think a top door might be cockpit adjustable and only used during maybe the
hottest of days when needed???
Just a thought,
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: Knight Aircraft Upholstery/Interiors |
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Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
O R D E R F O R M
To place your order, please call KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC., at
telephone number (702) 207-6681, between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 5:00
P.M. (Pacific Standard Time), Monday through Friday. For your convenience,
you may also copy this order form and mail or fax it to me. When your order
is received, I will call you to review the options and confirm your total
charges (including any applicable shipping and handling charges). For this
purpose, please include your daytime and evening telephone numbers. Thank you!
SOLD TO:
Name: __________________________________________________________
Address: _______________________________________________________
City: ________________ State: ______________ Zip: __________
Telephone: (Day) ________________ (Eves) ____________________
SHIP TO:
Name: __________________________________________________________
Address: _______________________________________________________
(No Post Office Boxes)
City: ________________ State: ______________ Zip: ___________
Telephone: (Day) ________________ (Eves) ____________________
PAYMENT: Money Order _____ Cashier's Check _____
Personal Check _______ MAKE PAYABLE TO SAM KNIGHT.
Model of Plane / Quantity / Description / Color / Price / Total
NO REFUNDS Subtotal _______ FOR
EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ONLY Sales Tax* _______
PRODUCTS DO NOT MEET FAA Shipping and Handling Costs _______
CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS Total _______
*Nevada residents add 7.50% sales tax.
Shipping costs vary and will be included on all orders. To avoid delays,
please do not send payment prior to receiving a confirmed total for your
order. Upholstery products and prices for all items are subject to change.
At 08:38 AM 9/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
<planecrazy@erols.com>
>
> Good Morning
>
> I have a Kitfox Model II and also a Model IV I would like to
>see about the cost of the seats for these 2 planes in Blue . I would also
>need the cover behind the seats as well.
>
> Sincerally
>
> Chuck Tippett
>
> ( Virginia ) 20187
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Date: 09/01/04 22:45:33
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Knight Aircraft Upholstery/Interiors
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sam Knight <knightair@lv.rmci.net>
>
>Kitfox Builders:
>
>I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
>upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
>available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
>Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight. I
>also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
>products available upon request.
>
>For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
>207-6681 or e mail me at knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
>information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
>reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
>available upon request.
>
>Sincerely,
>KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
>"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
>
>Sam Knight
>
>
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Sam, I think this message was supposed to go to an individual, not the whole
list. Try again.
Don Pearsall
Admin.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Knight
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Knight Aircraft Upholstery/Interiors
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sam Knight <knightair@lv.rmci.net>
Thank you for your inquiry about Kitfox upholstery products and request for
photos. Samples of fabrics will be provided upon request. Please indicate
what type fabric you are interested in and what color range.
As I mentioned before, I have several interior upholstery products for other
models of kitplanes. Prices and photos are available.
If you have any further questions or comments or if you were unable to read
any attachment, please let me know. You may contact me at telephone number
(702) 207-6681 or e-mail: knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention.
As I have attached the price listing and other information below, be sure to
scroll down to find this information.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
__________________
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
"KITFOX" UPHOLSTERY PRODUCTS
VIXEN/
MODELS I, II, MODEL IV/ SERIES 5
MODEL III SPEEDSTER SERIES 6
LITE2 (SQ'D) MODEL IV CS
Seats (*) - - - - - - - $ 349.00 - - - - $ 349.00 - - - $ 450.00
(No Logo) Cordura Cordura Cordura
- - - $ 599.00
Velour
- - - $ 599.00
Tweeds
Optional Baggage
Area Cover - - - - - - STANDARD - - - - STANDARD - - - $ 85.00
Cordura
- - - $ 105.00
Velour
(*) For Seats: Add $ 25.00 for Extended Baggage Area Cover
Floor Carpet - - - - - $ 99.00 - - - - $ 99.00 - - - $ 99.00
Kick Panels - - - - - - $ 69.00 - - - - $ 69.00 - - - $ 69.00
Control Stick
Covers - - - - - - - - N/A - - - - $ 65.00 - - - $ 65.00
Console Cover - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - BY THE YARD
Dash Cover - - - - - - BY THE YARD - - BY THE YARD BY THE YARD
Side Panels - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 38.50
Cordura
- - - $ 49.00
Velour
- - - $ 49.00
Tweeds
Baggage Sacks - - - - - $ 48.00 - - - - $ 95.00 - - - $ 95.00
Cargo Bay - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 275.00
Side Windows (Set) - - $ 35.00 - - - - $ 35.00 - - - N/A
Fuel Site Windows (Set) $ 35.00 - - - - $ 35.00 - - - N/A
Door Panels
Velour - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 157.00
Cordura - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 147.00
Tweeds - - - - - - - N/A - - - - N/A - - - $ 147.00
Cabin Cover - - - - - - $ 225.00 - - - - $ 225.00 - - - $ 225.00
Tail Pad Cover - - - - N/A - - - - $ 90.00 - - - $ 90.00
Tow Covers
(Short) - - - - - - - - $ 57.50 - - - - $ 57.50 - - - N/A
Tow Covers
(Extended Back) - - - - $ 72.50 - - - - $ 72.50 - - - $ 72.50
Back Pads - - - - - - - $ 65.00 - - - - $ 65.00 - - - $ 75.00
Velour
- - - $ 65.00
Cordura
- - - $ 75.00
Tweeds
Booster Cushion - - - - $ 46.00 - - - - $ 46.00 - CALL FOR INFO
Kitfox Lite Seats (No Logo)
2" Seats - - - $ 135.00 - Cordura
$ 155.00 - Velour
$ 155.00 - Tweeds
3" Seats - - - $ 155.00 - Cordura
$ 175.00 - Velour
$ 175.00 - Tweeds
Kitfox Lite Cabin Cover - $ 195.00
Kitfox Lite Tail Tow Pad - $ 90.00
Kitfox Lite Baggage Sack - $ 75.00
Carpet By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 20.00
Cordura By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 17.50
Velour By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 39.50
Tweeds By the Yard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $ 39.50
Leather - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Call for Information
________________
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
"KITFOX" INFORMATION
SEATS for Model I, II, III, and IV, Lite2 Squared, are a one-piece seat that
velcros in place and are light weight. They come in Cordura fabric only, in
any color combination. Check seat chart for color combination. Optional
baggage area cover with flap for easy access to baggage sack.
SEATS for Model IV CS, Series 5, Series 6, and Vixen are a four-cushion seat
that velcros into place. They come with fitted pieces that you glue to the
fiberglass seat on center and sides. These seats can be done in Cordura,
velour, leather, or tweed materials. There is an optional baggage area
cover for Model IV and earlier Series 5 manufactured before November 1,
1994. The baggage area cover can be done in Cordura or velour fabrics only.
FLOOR CARPETS are bound on edges with Velcro sewn on. They come with
adhesive Velcro that you stick to the floor of the plane. They have heel
pads sewn on the carpet. I need to send you patterns for Models I, II, III,
and IV for proper fit.
KICK PANELS cover the side of the plane next to the floor area and are made
out of carpet that are bound on the edges with Velcro sewn on the back side.
There is also a separate piece of adhesive Velcro to adhere the panels to
the plane. Series 5 panels come with a clear pocket for your documents.
BAGGAGE SACKS and cargo bays are made of Cordura fabric and come with
adhesive Velcro to adhere to plane.
DOOR PANELS are made out of Lexan panel with one-fourth inch foam with your
choice of fabric. They have pockets sewn on both pilot and co-pilot sides
and glue into place. A pattern needs to be sent to you for proper fit.
CABIN COVERS are made of Evolution 4 fabric and are water repellent and will
not rot or mildew. Nylon straps are sewn on the cover with Velcro sewn on
the ends. The straps wrap around the fuselage and wings to secure the cabin
cover in place. A storage bag is included for the cabin cover. The weight
of the cabin cover and storage bag is approximately three pounds. The
dimensions are approximately 16" X 12" X 3". Colors include shadow gray as
the standard color with optional colors of desert tan and harbor blue.
___________________
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
UPHOLSTERY COLOR CHART
CORDURA
1A - Beige
2A - Yellow
2B - Sunshine Yellow
3A - Orange
4A - Red
5A - Burgundy
6A - Green
6B - Forest Green
7A - Dark Brown
8A - Royal Blue
9A - Gray
10A - Black
VELOUR
V1 - Beige
V2 - Red
V3 - Maroon
V4 - Black
V5 - Gray
V6 - Charcoal
V7 - Royal Blue
V7A- Dark Blue
V8 - Ocean Blue
V9 - Forest Green
V10 - Turquoise
V11 - Mauve
V12 - Brown
TWEEDS
Black
Blue
Gray
Sand
Turquoise
Green
Burgundy
Brown
Teal
CARPET
Black
Red
Blue
Forest Green
Green
Gray
Charcoal
Brown
Beige
Burgundy
LEATHER - Call for Colors Available
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
503 Sunset Villa Drive
Las Vegas, Nevada 89110
Phone: (702) 207-6681
Fax: (702) 207-4780
O R D E R F O R M
To place your order, please call KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC., at
telephone number (702) 207-6681, between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 5:00
P.M. (Pacific Standard Time), Monday through Friday. For your convenience,
you may also copy this order form and mail or fax it to me. When your order
is received, I will call you to review the options and confirm your total
charges (including any applicable shipping and handling charges). For this
purpose, please include your daytime and evening telephone numbers. Thank
you!
SOLD TO:
Name: __________________________________________________________
Address: _______________________________________________________
City: ________________ State: ______________ Zip: __________
Telephone: (Day) ________________ (Eves) ____________________
SHIP TO:
Name: __________________________________________________________
Address: _______________________________________________________
(No Post Office Boxes)
City: ________________ State: ______________ Zip: ___________
Telephone: (Day) ________________ (Eves) ____________________
PAYMENT: Money Order _____ Cashier's Check _____
Personal Check _______ MAKE PAYABLE TO SAM KNIGHT.
Model of Plane / Quantity / Description / Color / Price / Total
NO REFUNDS Subtotal _______ FOR
EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ONLY Sales Tax* _______
PRODUCTS DO NOT MEET FAA Shipping and Handling Costs _______
CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS Total _______
*Nevada residents add 7.50% sales tax.
Shipping costs vary and will be included on all orders. To avoid delays,
please do not send payment prior to receiving a confirmed total for your
order. Upholstery products and prices for all items are subject to change.
At 08:38 AM 9/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Chuck & Vicki Tippett"
<planecrazy@erols.com>
>
> Good Morning
>
> I have a Kitfox Model II and also a Model IV I would like to
>see about the cost of the seats for these 2 planes in Blue . I would also
>need the cover behind the seats as well.
>
> Sincerally
>
> Chuck Tippett
>
> ( Virginia ) 20187
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Date: 09/01/04 22:45:33
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Knight Aircraft Upholstery/Interiors
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Sam Knight <knightair@lv.rmci.net>
>
>Kitfox Builders:
>
>I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
>upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
>available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
>Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight.
I
>also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
>products available upon request.
>
>For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
>207-6681 or e mail me at knightair@lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
>information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
>reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
>available upon request.
>
>Sincerely,
>KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
>"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
>
>Sam Knight
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Side air outlets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
When I had the problem of oil blowing out of my
breather, it would come from the side cowl seam and
stream past my door. (full glass doors) Very easily
spotted.
But vents on the top are another problem. Not only
can oil blow on your windscreen, but if you have a
fire, it can do the same. The windscreen is not much
seperating you from fire. It is better blowing by the
door than into the windscree. You see this a lot on
single engine radial planes. The top of the ring cowl
is often shut.
Given that, I am still considering placing a vent door
on the top behind my turbo to vent off that hot air
before it gets to the intake on warm days. It needs a
door to shut in emergency, or below 60 degrees F.
Another possibility is to make it an upper intake vent
to the engine intake and just let the hot air blow by.
My measurements show that the carb temp is 40 degrees
hotter due to the cowl heat. That robs performance
like using carb heat all the time.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/4/04 6:17:38 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time, michel@online.no writes:
>
>
> > But maybe, if I have a leak, I'd like to see it at
> once, on the side of the fuselage ... I don't know.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michel
> >
>
> Michel,
> Good point. Even a small leak could show up
> quickly on the sides and give you ample time
> to "fix" the small leak before it gets bigger.
> In the case of a 582, I will hold a top cowl
> opening for the subject of a later design. I
> think a top door might be cockpit adjustable and
> only used during maybe the hottest of days when
> needed???
>
> Just a thought,
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Side air outlets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> My measurements show that the carb temp is 40 degrees
> hotter due to the cowl heat. That robs performance
> like using carb heat all the time.
Indeed, Kurt. Here is how Morten, the Norwegian Kitfox/jabiru owner fixed it:
http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/JabCowl.jpg
The opening on the side is going either directly to the carburettor, or via a
carb heater.
While on the subject, I'd like to ask the list:
I understand that my outlet will have to be 1.5 the size of the inlet. Can the
outlet be bigger than that, or is it the optimal ratio?
Looking again at the photo, Morten has an opening for the oil radiator that is
in front of the engine. That lets also air under the cowling. Has my outlet to
be 1.5 the size of these three frontal inlets?
Tanks in advance,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Side air outlets |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I've always understood that the "rule of thumb" is 1/3 in on the high
pressure side and 2/3 out on the low pressure side. A small lip on the low
pressure side will aid in lowering the pressure of the low pressure side
that will actually suck the air through. Simply put, it's the low pressure
side that pulls the air through so it's important to really think it through
so that you don't get your "outgo" in a high or neutral pressure area. Did
I make something simple sound difficult? I sometimes do that... I've seen
several scoops that had roughly the same opening in front as the rear.
Won't work very well.
Howard's side scoop should work pretty well in that the side of the cowling
is generally a low pressure area.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> kurt schrader wrote:
> > My measurements show that the carb temp is 40 degrees
> > hotter due to the cowl heat. That robs performance
> > like using carb heat all the time.
>
> Indeed, Kurt. Here is how Morten, the Norwegian Kitfox/jabiru owner fixed
it:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/JabCowl.jpg
>
> The opening on the side is going either directly to the carburettor, or
via a
> carb heater.
> While on the subject, I'd like to ask the list:
>
> I understand that my outlet will have to be 1.5 the size of the inlet. Can
the
> outlet be bigger than that, or is it the optimal ratio?
> Looking again at the photo, Morten has an opening for the oil radiator
that is
> in front of the engine. That lets also air under the cowling. Has my
outlet to
> be 1.5 the size of these three frontal inlets?
>
> Tanks in advance,
>
> Michel
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
For anyone who's interested (Michael?) there's a Jabiru 2200 engine for sale
on ebay. Starting bid is $4000. Two days left and no bids.
Darrel
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2488324546&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
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| Subject: | Fw: Jabiru for sale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I just noticed that the engine below is located in Norway. Michael?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Jabiru for sale
> For anyone who's interested (Michael?) there's a Jabiru 2200 engine for
sale
> on ebay. Starting bid is $4000. Two days left and no bids.
> Darrel
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2488324546&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding air from coolant |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
That ceremony sounds familiar. It works!
Jose
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
You could be on the money here Jose, I always bleed the coolant system
through the top screw on the inlet flange on the head and usually gat
another pint of fluid in the system over just filling the main filler inlet.
Gary A
Lite2/582
Gary,
Here is the way I bleed air and it works like a champ every time. 1.
Fill the system. 2. Bleed the top screw on the water pump housing. 3.
Disconnect the 1/4" hose from the head to the filler assy (at the filler assy end).
4 Temporarily cap the 1/4" copper stem on the filler. 5 Temporarily attach
a 1/4" clear tube (3' long) to the end of the hose. 5. Top off the filler
neck with coolant mixture and start a syphon through the clear tubing into a
clean container on the floor. 6. Maintain the filler neck full with mixture as
you syphon off from the head. 7. As you syphon, shake the engine side to
side and you will see bubbles in the clear tubing. 8. When the bubbles stop,
allow the coolant to go down a couple inches in the filler neck. 9. Remove
the plug at the filler and the Temp clear hose. 10. Quickly reconnect the
original hose to the filler and top off coolant.
Gets all the air every time and only takes a few minutes......
Don Smythe
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
Has any of you converted a Kitfox II to Kitfox IV wings? Will this increase gross
weight? Do you know what modifications where done to the earlier fuselages
to increase gross weight?
Jose
Howard Firm <pianome2@mchsi.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm"
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> > From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor@online.no]
> > Understood that you are going to use the "suction" scope, to make a
little "low
> > pressure" the easy way. :)
> > For our speed range, I'll think the scope method will do.
>
> Torgeir, I know that this is not my thread but since I intend to install a
Jabiru and make an entirely new cowling, I follow the discussion very
closely.
> I just made a little drawing here, at work (don't tell my boss! :-) and I
wonder what you think of it:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/tmp/cooling.png
>
> Could that be a good cowling for a Jabiru? I mean, with outlets on both
sides, much like Howard has it. ... BTW, which engine do you have Howard?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
I have the NSI Turbo....The main reason I added to vents was to let the air
going by the turbo cleanly escape. Even at idle, I can put my hand behind
the vents and feel the hot air moving out....If I can just get my
registration, I'll test it in flight!!! Very frustrating!!!
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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| Subject: | Radiator for 582 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
Is any of you using a 582 with the radiator placed inside the cowling, like in
Avids, to reduce drag?
Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles
John the Avid B and C models used the 532 and had the radiator mounted
in the cowling on the right (passenger) side with a rather large scoop
to direct air to the radiator. The radiator was isolated from the
engine by a large baffle from the firewall to the cowling to force the
air to go through the rad. The hot air was exhausted out the right
side in most installations. Cabin heat could be obtained directly from
the radiator just by opening a little door in the firewall. There were
modified installations with shark gill inlets, air out the left or out
the bottom of the cowling, etc. Cooling was a problem on a lot of those
airplanes, partly, I suspect, because there was little airflow over the
engine, which would serve to dump considerable extra heat. Cooling
problems were solved by the system in the MK IV. My MK IV won't
overheat on 100deg days, even on the ground.
I wonder if cooling problems in Foxes would not be helped by improving
airflow through the cowling across the engine and exhaust?
John King wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King
>
>Bruce,
>
>Was that for a 2-stroke or a 4-stroke Rotax? In other words was it a
>function of prop wash?
>
>
>
Jos M. Toro, P.E.
Computer Systems Validation Engineer
Eli-Lilly PR05
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| Subject: | Anyone going to Greenville? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Is anybody going to Greenville, Maine this next weekend? I'm going, and
hope to see some Kitfoxes up there. What are my chances? This'll be my
first trip up there. I'm picking up my buddy at Detroit Airport on
Thursday evening, coming in from California, and we're driving straight
through...almost. I sure hope there are some KF's there.
Lynn
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