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1. 04:07 AM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help (kitfoxjunky)
2. 05:18 AM - Simonini two-stroke engines (Michel Verheughe)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Simonini two-stroke engines (Paul)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Simonini two-stroke engines (Marc Arseneault)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: ZERO oil temp? (Floran Higgins)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: ZERO oil temp? (Paul)
7. 10:18 AM - Re: ZERO oil temp? (kurt schrader)
8. 11:29 AM - Re: Simonini two-stroke engines (Michel Verheughe)
9. 01:40 PM - Weiner Bill (H.R. 5035) (Roger McConnell)
10. 02:11 PM - Out of retirement (off topic) (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
11. 02:55 PM - Re: Weiner Bill (H.R. 5035) (Michel Verheughe)
12. 02:56 PM - Re: Out of retirement (off topic) (Michel Verheughe)
13. 04:38 PM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help (jdmcbean)
14. 05:03 PM - Re: Out of retirement (off topic) (Larry Huntley)
15. 05:08 PM - Re: ZERO oil temp? (jdmcbean)
16. 05:15 PM - Re: Out of retirement (off topic) (Steve Cooper)
17. 05:32 PM - Re: ZERO oil temp? (neflyer48)
18. 05:44 PM - Need a 912 Mechanic (Jimmie Blackwell)
19. 08:13 PM - Re: FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help (Jim Corner)
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| Subject: | Re: FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help |
07:06:59 AM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kitfoxjunky" <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
When I bought my Kitfox on Aercet anphib floats, I had no float time at
all. I did my rating through a local flight school, and the instructor
there had never been in a Kitfox. He taught me to treat every landing as a
glassy water landing. In my airplane, I never approach with flap. I would
make a normal approach, and once below tree level establish a nose up
attitude and add power to establish a reasonable decent. He taught me to
never look out the side windows for the surface, but to stare over the
nose, even though there is not much to see. It became a matter of practise
and feel.
Not sure if that is the technique everyone else uses, but it works for me.
I assume your test pilot is float rated?
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
<barryhuston@adelphia.net>
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owner-kitfox-list-server@ma cc:
tronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List:
FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help
09/09/2004 06:30 PM
Please respond to
kitfox-list
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
There are a number of folks from the "LIST" that I want to individually
thank, but will wait until all of the testing is complete before I expound
on the accomplishment -- i.e. not sure if the step location is ideal and
the gear and retract system not connected inside yet.
My "Test" pilot has only 10 hours on wheels in the Fox and is looking for
Float Landing suggestions --- He is using the 15 degrees of flaps approach
but feels that he should be carrying more power.???
So --- John Mc, Gary, Paul and the rest of the "List" any suggestions??
Thanks
Barry
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| Subject: | Simonini two-stroke engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Kitfoxers,
Has anyone seen these engines?
http://www.simonini-flying.com/victor2_eng.htm
I'd appreciate your opinion since a friend is seriously interested for his Kitfox.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Simonini two-stroke engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
Another product that emphasizes the word "experimental".
Good power at 723cc & 92 Hp and fuel consumption to go with the high power. Unknown
gear box damping. High risk engine with no track record. Weight seems high
for a 2 stroke. Slightly lighter than a 912 Rotax, but is appropriate weight
for a Kitfox. Lots of better engine choices that have a proven track record.
Paul
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At 2:18 PM +0200 9/10/04, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello Kitfoxers,
>
>Has anyone seen these engines?
>
>http://www.simonini-flying.com/victor2_eng.htm
>
>I'd appreciate your opinion since a friend is seriously interested for his Kitfox.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
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| Subject: | Simonini two-stroke engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Marc Arseneault" <northernultralights@hotmail.com>
Hi Michel,
I know of someone who had one in his X-Air and it was nothing but problems for
him. It only had approx. 70 hours and the crank went. I personnaly wouldn't put
that engine in my lawnmower!
Best Regards,
Marc Arseneault
Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: ZERO oil temp? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
My oil temp on the quad gage does the same thing. I sent the gage in to be
repaired a couple of years ago, and it still does it.
I found that when it goes to zero, when I turn off the master switch and
then turn it back on, the gage will operate normally for 15-20 minutes.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Raystuff7@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: ZERO oil temp?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Raystuff7@aol.com
>
> My oil temp guage goes to zero many times when we are cruising. I checked
the
> wiring, and the ground, but find no problems. I don't want to order a
sending
> unit or quad guage set until I find which it is. I fly a Kitfox 6 with a
> Rotax 912S engine and oil cooler.
>
> We made it back from Oshkosh (1300 miles) in one day to the Houston area.
The
> gauge dropped to zero many times; we just ignored it.
>
> Any body have this problem, or ideas to try?
>
> Thanks, Ray and Ann Ward N23AW
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ZERO oil temp? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
A common defect the needle gets stuck on the post. Probably caused by sticky paint
on the post or needle. My Cessna did that until I replaced the gauge. Another
issue is just plain defective gauge with an intermittent open circuit. Try
another brand of gauge as it appears that you have a bad supplier. Automotive
gauges never have these issues just airplane gauges??
Paul
===========
At 7:50 AM -0600 9/10/04, Floran Higgins wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Floran Higgins" <CliffH@outdrs.net>
>
>My oil temp on the quad gage does the same thing. I sent the gage in to be
>repaired a couple of years ago, and it still does it.
>I found that when it goes to zero, when I turn off the master switch and
>then turn it back on, the gage will operate normally for 15-20 minutes.
>Floran H.
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <Raystuff7@aol.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: ZERO oil temp?
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Raystuff7@aol.com
>>
>> My oil temp guage goes to zero many times when we are cruising. I checked
>the
>> wiring, and the ground, but find no problems. I don't want to order a
>sending
>> unit or quad guage set until I find which it is. I fly a Kitfox 6 with a
>> Rotax 912S engine and oil cooler.
>>
>> We made it back from Oshkosh (1300 miles) in one day to the Houston area.
>The
>> gauge dropped to zero many times; we just ignored it.
>>
>> Any body have this problem, or ideas to try?
>>
>> Thanks, Ray and Ann Ward N23AW
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ZERO oil temp? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I have one intermittant gauge. Found that I can relax
the wires coming out of the gauge and reduce the
stress on the circuit board to relieve the condition
most of the time. Sometimes I still have to tap the
gauge too.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Paul <pwilson@climber.org> wrote:
> A common defect the needle gets stuck on the post.
> Probably caused by sticky paint on the post or
> needle. My Cessna did that until I replaced the
> gauge. Another issue is just plain defective gauge
> with an intermittent open circuit. Try another brand
> of gauge as it appears that you have a bad supplier.
> Automotive gauges never have these issues just
> airplane gauges??
> Paul
> ===========
> At 7:50 AM -0600 9/10/04, Floran Higgins wrote:
> >My oil temp on the quad gage does the same thing. I
> sent the gage in to be repaired a couple of years
> >ago, and it still does it.
> >I found that when it goes to zero, when I turn off
> the master switch and then turn it back on,
> >the gage will operate normally for 15-20 minutes.
> >Floran H.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Simonini two-stroke engines |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Marc Arseneault wrote:
> I know of someone who had one in his X-Air and it was nothing but problems for
him. It only had
> approx. 70 hours and the crank went. I personnaly wouldn't put that engine in
my lawnmower!
Thanks Marc and Paul. My Norwegian friend, who is rebuilding a Kitfox 3 that
has rusted after years as a seaplane, is really interested in the Simonini
engine because it fits the 582 mounting, it's much cheaper on fuel, and it has
600 hours TBO. In fact, he is even considering retailing this Italian engine in
Norway.
For my part, I still plan to install a Jabiru. Much safer. Especially when my
son will be flying the plane, I don't want to worry each time he is up in the air.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Weiner Bill (H.R. 5035) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/pr/040909_weiner.html
this guy is nuts!! Will someone please put him out of his misery...
Roger Mac
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| Subject: | Out of retirement (off topic) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Just thought I would pass on a bit of news. As of next Monday, I will
come out of retirement and become an employee of the below website, building
Ultrasport Helicopters. It is a Taiwanese company that has had a hard time
getting their birds to fly. They have tried all sorts of engines from the Rotax
582/912, Hirth, etc. They will use a 4 cylinder 2 stroke fuel injected Hirth on
the next one that I will most likely be building. Still ain't too sure about
the Hirth. Seems they are having a hard time getting the power to weight
ratio they need.
Anyway, their hanger is about 3 doors down from mine at PHF and they like
the way I built the Fox. They found out I was retired through the Rich Man
and he insisted I was their man. BTW, I think I will be the only employee for
the time being. The other two quit???? Also comes with dual Helicopter
training.
http://www.ultrasport.rotor.com/
(Time will tell, I may post next week that I quit)
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Weiner Bill (H.R. 5035) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Roger McConnell wrote:
> this guy is nuts!! Will someone please put him out of his misery...
I agree, Roger. I think today the safest place to be is in a tall building near
a US airport. The 9/11 horror won't happen again. Look at the 4th plane, as
soon as some passengers got the news via cellular phones that their life was
terribly in danger, they fought back. Before that, the police used to tell us:
when meeting a villain, stay put and look down, you may safe your life. Not anymore.
No one will ever more let anyone take control of a plane, in the US or anywhere
else.
Furthermore, Al Quaida's wish is to globalize terrorism. They have proved it by
hitting Casablanca, Java and Madrid and the next target could be anywhere, even
Norway. They don't have anything special against America, they just want us to
hate the Muslims and the Muslims, to hate us. Then they can start the final
jihad that will lead to a global Muslim caliphate. Sick people.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Out of retirement (off topic) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> As of next Monday, I will
> come out of retirement and become an employee of the below website
Good for you, Don! Best luck!
Michel
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| Subject: | FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Barry,
Sorry for the delay in responding. I have to assume that your test pilot
is float rated.. ??
The most dangerous is glassy water. One looses depth perception.. The best
way is to fly constant rate of decent at a given airspeed nose high and look
forward... trying to see the water will fool you. At a given point.. slow
the rate to 100 fpm or less until touch down.
If it is not a glassy water then fly a normal approach.. Careful not to
round out too high.. Let it settle like any other landing.... At touch
down.... reduce power and stick back. The most common problem is not
holding the stick back and dipping the nose of the float. I found that
reducing the power slowly after touch down seems to help settle into the
water a little slower.
Begin with no flaps... May just want to land with no flaps.. easier to keep
the nose up.. especially after landing.
Hope this helps.....
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
barryhuston@adelphia.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <barryhuston@adelphia.net>
There are a number of folks from the "LIST" that I want to individually
thank, but will wait until all of the testing is complete before I expound
on the accomplishment -- i.e. not sure if the step location is ideal and the
gear and retract system not connected inside yet.
My "Test" pilot has only 10 hours on wheels in the Fox and is looking for
Float Landing suggestions --- He is using the 15 degrees of flaps approach
but feels that he should be carrying more power.???
So --- John Mc, Gary, Paul and the rest of the "List" any suggestions??
Thanks
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Out of retirement (off topic) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" <asq1@adelphia.net>
Don,
Sounds like a golden opportunity. Believe me,retirement is not about doing
nothing . It is about doing what you want and if you make money, that is
nice. If you don't,you are not going to starve. Good luck. Hope it turns
out to be at least half as good as it sounds. Larry Huntley,Kitfox
4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA
----- Original Message -----
From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Out of retirement (off topic)
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> Just thought I would pass on a bit of news. As of next Monday, I will
> come out of retirement and become an employee of the below website,
building
> Ultrasport Helicopters. It is a Taiwanese company that has had a hard
time
> getting their birds to fly. They have tried all sorts of engines from the
Rotax
> 582/912, Hirth, etc. They will use a 4 cylinder 2 stroke fuel injected
Hirth on
> the next one that I will most likely be building. Still ain't too sure
about
> the Hirth. Seems they are having a hard time getting the power to weight
> ratio they need.
> Anyway, their hanger is about 3 doors down from mine at PHF and they
like
> the way I built the Fox. They found out I was retired through the Rich
Man
> and he insisted I was their man. BTW, I think I will be the only employee
for
> the time being. The other two quit???? Also comes with dual Helicopter
> training.
>
> http://www.ultrasport.rotor.com/
>
> (Time will tell, I may post next week that I quit)
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Ray,
Good to hear you're enjoying the Fox. One thing you can try is to hook
up
an ohmmeter to the leads and check for resistance. I did this to verify my
temp gauge accuracy. That may isolate the sender from the gauge.
Sounds like you may have a wire lead that is broken inside the insulation or
short intermittent to ground.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Raystuff7@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: ZERO oil temp?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Raystuff7@aol.com
My oil temp guage goes to zero many times when we are cruising. I checked
the
wiring, and the ground, but find no problems. I don't want to order a
sending
unit or quad guage set until I find which it is. I fly a Kitfox 6 with a
Rotax 912S engine and oil cooler.
We made it back from Oshkosh (1300 miles) in one day to the Houston area.
The
gauge dropped to zero many times; we just ignored it.
Any body have this problem, or ideas to try?
Thanks, Ray and Ann Ward N23AW
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| Subject: | Re: Out of retirement (off topic) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Steve Cooper" <spdrflyr@earthlink.net>
Congratulations Don...it sounds like it ought to be a lot of fun... An
opportunity many of us wish we had. Watch out for that Hirth...A few of the
guys have tried flying them around here...with Zero success and Zero
support. They like to blow the spark plugs out taking the threads with
them...I have personal experience with that little anomoly...had to set down
in a rabit trail a few years ago...airplane didn't like it much. Told her I
was sorry and yanked the Hirth out and sold it for parts. She was happy with
the 582...
Steve Cooper
>
> Don,
> Sounds like a golden opportunity. Believe me,retirement is not about
doing
> nothing . It is about doing what you want and if you make money, that is
> nice. If you don't,you are not going to starve. Good luck. Hope it turns
> out to be at least half as good as it sounds. Larry Huntley,Kitfox
> 4-1200,EA81,Dundee,NY,USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AlbertaIV@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Out of retirement (off topic)
>
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
> >
> > Just thought I would pass on a bit of news. As of next Monday, I
will
> > come out of retirement and become an employee of the below website,
> building
> > Ultrasport Helicopters. It is a Taiwanese company that has had a hard
> time
> > getting their birds to fly. They have tried all sorts of engines from
the
> Rotax
> > 582/912, Hirth, etc. They will use a 4 cylinder 2 stroke fuel injected
> Hirth on
> > the next one that I will most likely be building. Still ain't too sure
> about
> > the Hirth. Seems they are having a hard time getting the power to
weight
> > ratio they need.
> > Anyway, their hanger is about 3 doors down from mine at PHF and they
> like
> > the way I built the Fox. They found out I was retired through the Rich
> Man
> > and he insisted I was their man. BTW, I think I will be the only
employee
> for
> > the time being. The other two quit???? Also comes with dual Helicopter
> > training.
> >
> > http://www.ultrasport.rotor.com/
> >
> > (Time will tell, I may post next week that I quit)
> > Don Smythe
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ZERO oil temp? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "neflyer48" <neflyer48@cableone.net>
My oil pressure gauge did the same thing about two months ago. I sent the
quad gauge and pressure sending unit to Westburg Mfg. They replaced the
sending unit and calibrated it to the gauge. No charge! It's a 91 model.
Jerry Kohles
M3 912
----- Original Message -----
From: <Raystuff7@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: ZERO oil temp?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Raystuff7@aol.com
>
> My oil temp guage goes to zero many times when we are cruising. I checked
the
> wiring, and the ground, but find no problems. I don't want to order a
sending
> unit or quad guage set until I find which it is. I fly a Kitfox 6 with a
> Rotax 912S engine and oil cooler.
>
> We made it back from Oshkosh (1300 miles) in one day to the Houston area.
The
> gauge dropped to zero many times; we just ignored it.
>
> Any body have this problem, or ideas to try?
>
> Thanks, Ray and Ann Ward N23AW
>
>
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| Subject: | Need a 912 Mechanic |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
List
I am trying to help a friend with a 912UL on a Model IV. Not being a mechanic
I believe I have done all that I can do to get my friend's engine running properly
and am hoping that there is someone in the central Texas area or would be
willing to travel here that is qualified to work on the 912. Of course this
would be for pay.
Sure would appreciate anyone willing to fix this engine to call me at 512 365-7020
and let's discuss.
Thanks
Jimmie
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| Subject: | FIRST FLIGHT --- As a FLOATFOX --- Landing Help |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jim Corner <jcorner@shaw.ca>
Barry
Your message doesn't indicate whether the first landings are water to
water or land to water or the reverse since you have amphib floats.
I would recommend little or no flaps for the first water landings to
help keep the nose high, but if you are returning to pavement for a
wheel landing use flap and a little extra speed to do that wheel landing
to avoid dragging the water rudders or worse the tail of the floats on
the pavement.
Remember to "WARP" your approach checklist to get your "Wheels" in the
proper position for the "Area" which has been cleared and insure that
your water "Rudders" retracted and the "Prop" pitched for landing.
I have found that flaps for a water takeoff will greatly reduce the TO
distance.
Best of luck with your testing
Jim Corner
>
> There are a number of folks from the "LIST" that I want to
> individually thank, but will wait until all of the testing is
> complete before I expound on the accomplishment -- i.e. not
> sure if the step location is ideal and the gear and retract
> system not connected inside yet.
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> My "Test" pilot has only 10 hours on wheels in the Fox and is
> looking for Float Landing suggestions --- He is using the 15
> degrees of flaps approach but feels that he should be
> carrying more power.???
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> So --- John Mc, Gary, Paul and the rest of the "List" any
> suggestions??
>
> Thanks
> Barry
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