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1. 07:20 AM - Skis (Howard Firm)
2. 10:01 AM - Re: flaperon bracket mounting...IV (Randy Daughenbaugh)
3. 12:17 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (AV8OR27RL@cs.com)
4. 02:08 PM - even more on mass balance weights (Fox5flyer)
5. 02:26 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (jdmcbean)
6. 02:45 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (Fox5flyer)
7. 02:54 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (jdmcbean)
8. 03:49 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (Torgeir Mortensen)
9. 04:43 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (jdmcbean)
10. 05:00 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (jdmcbean)
11. 05:37 PM - Re: ZERO oil temp? (Lowell Fitt)
12. 06:05 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (Jerry Liles)
13. 07:29 PM - Can't find service Bulletins (Lynn Matteson)
14. 08:17 PM - Re: even more on mass balance weights (Andy)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Howard Firm" <pianome2@mchsi.com>
A set of skis on eBay....going for $16.00 currently....item #
2489187768
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
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| Subject: | flaperon bracket mounting...IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
In addition to what Vic suggests here is a trick I got from this list some
time back. This is to make the spacer slightly angled. Make the two sides
that the hole goes through non-parallel. My angle is about 20 degrees off
of parallel. I used it several places where it was too tight to get the
rivet puller head in. It gives just enough space to make it work and the
slight angle on the pull seems to make no difference at all to the way the
rivet expands.
My "rivet cheater" is about 3/16" at the thick point.
Thanks and apologies for my bad memory as to who it was that provided this
to me.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Jacko
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon bracket mounting...IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj@earthlink.net>
Lynn, Make a spacer about 3/8 inch long with a hole large enough for the
pop rivet nail to pass through. This should provide the clearance you need.
May take a few try's but it works.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: flaperon bracket mounting...IV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
> Thanks, John...I had envisioned the very scenario you just
> described...the drill bit pushing the backing strip away. I suppose the
> fabric is so thin as to not cause any problems, as you have
> experienced. Just for grins, I went out just now and miked the 2.8
> Poly-fiber that I have and it read .005"...doubling that will only
> raise the bracket about .010" ( covering and finishing tape) which, as
> you say, probably won't cause problems when it comes time to attach.
> Thanks for setting my mind at ease...I had visions of trying to get a
> vacuum cleaner hose inside the wing to remove aluminum and wood
> chips...not a pretty sight.
> Lynn
> p.s. On a related question, my rivet gun seems to have too large a
> diameter head to get into that .240" space between the vertical portion
> of the bracket and the center of the rivet hole...any ideas? Any
> riveters on the market that will get into that space?
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2004, at 05:39 PM, John King wrote:
>
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Lynn,
> >
> > I did just what the manual recommended on both of my Kitfoxes and had
> > no
> > problems. You better drill before covering to make sure that the drill
> > hole goes all the way through both the rib and the backing plate under
> > the rib. Otherwise there is a chance that the drill bit will push down
> > on the backing plate instead of drilling through it. Then the pop
> > rivet will not position itself through the backing plate when inserted
> > and squeezed. You will never see that when it is covered.
> >
> > You should install all of your flaperon brackets on the wing as well as
> > the flaperons using Cleco fasteners before covering to make sure there
> > is no binding and they are aligned properly.
> >
> > --
> > John King
> > Warrenton, VA
> >
> >
> > Lynn Matteson wrote:
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> >>
> >> In dealing with the flaperon mounting brackets, the manual says to
> >> drill the four mounting holes (top and bottom), through the brackets
> >> and the capstrips, but to rivet them after covering. A note has been
> >> added to my manual saying "not to drill yet, or after covering, the
> >> holes may not line up" This I can understand, but if I wait until
> >> after covering, all the junk will get inside the wings during
> >> drilling.
> >> How have you folks handled this problem?
> >> I've thought of laying on a strip of covering, and a strip of
> >> finishing
> >> tape, top and bottom, to mock up the finished thickness, but it would
> >> still lack the 'tak and the 'brush thickness. Am I being too anal
> >> here,
> >> or is this not going to be a problem.
> >> Lynn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > _-
> > =======================================================================
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped without
mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon flutter at or
around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne) and
service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service bulletins
along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com Click
on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
Bob Locey
Kitfox II
Serial #485
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| Subject: | even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall, about
that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon due
to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision to
go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that I
purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
Darrel
> As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
without
> mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon flutter
at or
> around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
and
> service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
bulletins
> along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
Click
> on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
> Bob Locey
> Kitfox II
> Serial #485
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| Subject: | even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
I do not believe that a Kitfox ever shed a flaperon.. However, the close
cousin (AVID) did have at least one.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall, about
that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon due
to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision to
go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that I
purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
Darrel
> As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
without
> mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon flutter
at or
> around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
and
> service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
bulletins
> along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
Click
> on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
> Bob Locey
> Kitfox II
> Serial #485
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| Subject: | Re: even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You might be right about that John. If so, my apologies. Since at that
time both had the same setup I'm sure that both Kitfox and Avid subsequently
mandated the weights, which (IMO) was a good move.
Darrel
>
> I do not believe that a Kitfox ever shed a flaperon.. However, the close
> cousin (AVID) did have at least one.
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall,
about
> that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon due
> to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision to
> go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that I
> purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
> result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
> Darrel
>
> > As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
> without
> > mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon
flutter
> at or
> > around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
> and
> > service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
> bulletins
> > along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
> Click
> > on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
> > Bob Locey
> > Kitfox II
> > Serial #485
>
>
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| Subject: | even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
No apologies necessary... It could have happened to either... Always good to
learn from others misfortune rather then ones own if possible.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You might be right about that John. If so, my apologies. Since at that
time both had the same setup I'm sure that both Kitfox and Avid subsequently
mandated the weights, which (IMO) was a good move.
Darrel
>
> I do not believe that a Kitfox ever shed a flaperon.. However, the close
> cousin (AVID) did have at least one.
> Blue Skies
> John & Debra McBean
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall,
about
> that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon due
> to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision to
> go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that I
> purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
> result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
> Darrel
>
> > As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
> without
> > mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon
flutter
> at or
> > around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
> and
> > service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
> bulletins
> > along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
> Click
> > on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
> > Bob Locey
> > Kitfox II
> > Serial #485
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Right you are Darrel.
This was the reason for service bulletin # 3. One Kitfox damaged the mixer
bell crank (overseas), the other lost both flapperons.
This SB is from Denney Aerocraft Company back in 89, issued 15 of March.
Torgeir.
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:05:48 -0400, Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall,
> about
> that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon
> due
> to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision
> to
> go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that
> I
> purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
> result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
> Darrel
>
>> As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
> without
>> mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon
>> flutter
> at or
>> around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
> and
>> service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
> bulletins
>> along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
> Click
>> on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
>> Bob Locey
>> Kitfox II
>> Serial #485
>
>
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| Subject: | even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
As the story goes... They were detached from the trailing edge in places....
Supposedly they never departed the aircraft. That is what I was told.
Although that is not how the service bulletin reads.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Right you are Darrel.
This was the reason for service bulletin # 3. One Kitfox damaged the mixer
bell crank (overseas), the other lost both flapperons.
This SB is from Denney Aerocraft Company back in 89, issued 15 of March.
Torgeir.
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:05:48 -0400, Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall,
> about
> that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon
> due
> to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision
> to
> go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that
> I
> purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
> result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
> Darrel
>
>> As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
> without
>> mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon
>> flutter
> at or
>> around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
> and
>> service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
> bulletins
>> along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
> Click
>> on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
>> Bob Locey
>> Kitfox II
>> Serial #485
>
>
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| Subject: | even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Could I have been misled ???
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
As the story goes... They were detached from the trailing edge in places....
Supposedly they never departed the aircraft. That is what I was told.
Although that is not how the service bulletin reads.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor@online.no>
Right you are Darrel.
This was the reason for service bulletin # 3. One Kitfox damaged the mixer
bell crank (overseas), the other lost both flapperons.
This SB is from Denney Aerocraft Company back in 89, issued 15 of March.
Torgeir.
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:05:48 -0400, Fox5flyer <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer"
> <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
> I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall,
> about
> that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon
> due
> to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision
> to
> go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that
> I
> purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
> result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
> Darrel
>
>> As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
> without
>> mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon
>> flutter
> at or
>> around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
> and
>> service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
> bulletins
>> along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
> Click
>> on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
>> Bob Locey
>> Kitfox II
>> Serial #485
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ZERO oil temp? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Ray, It would seem that this is a pretty common problem. Mine shows zero
temps until I am airborne. A friend's was exactly like mine and he said it
eventually repaired itself. I am still waiting for that to happen. I doubt
it is the strictly needle as has been suggested, because when it begins to
catch, it will jump around a bit before giving a steady reading.
I called Westburg and they give me a test to check whether it is the sender
or gauge. It amounts to disconnecting the sender from the back of the gauge
and then powering the meter.
If the meter reads more than half scale it is the meter. If the meter reads
less than half scale it is the gauge. Mine is the gauge and I am flying
until annual conditioning inspection time when I will send it back for
repair. My guess is that all these similar problems are gauge related and
that it relates to an intermittent power connection to the gauge.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <Raystuff7@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: ZERO oil temp?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Raystuff7@aol.com
>
> My oil temp guage goes to zero many times when we are cruising. I checked
the
> wiring, and the ground, but find no problems. I don't want to order a
sending
> unit or quad guage set until I find which it is. I fly a Kitfox 6 with a
> Rotax 912S engine and oil cooler.
>
> We made it back from Oshkosh (1300 miles) in one day to the Houston area.
The
> gauge dropped to zero many times; we just ignored it.
>
> Any body have this problem, or ideas to try?
>
> Thanks, Ray and Ann Ward N23AW
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Actually both Kitfox and Avid have shed flapperons. Dean Wilson (Avid)
early on added counterweights (before the accident) as the airplanes
gross and speed increased on the later A model and B model Avids.
Kitfox added weights after an accident due to flapperon flutter. The
Avid that was lost was an Amphibian in which the owner left off the
weights to save weight. He had flutter when he exceeded VNE during a
test flight. If John Larsen is reading he can supply more details.
Jerry Liles
jdmcbean wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>No apologies necessary... It could have happened to either... Always good to
>learn from others misfortune rather then ones own if possible.
>
>Blue Skies
>John & Debra McBean
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>You might be right about that John. If so, my apologies. Since at that
>time both had the same setup I'm sure that both Kitfox and Avid subsequently
>mandated the weights, which (IMO) was a good move.
>Darrel
>
>
>>I do not believe that a Kitfox ever shed a flaperon.. However, the close
>>cousin (AVID) did have at least one.
>>Blue Skies
>>John & Debra McBean
>>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>>I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall,
>>
>>
>about
>
>
>>that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon due
>>to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision to
>>go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that I
>>purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
>>result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
>>Darrel
>>
>>
>>
>>> As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
>>>
>>>
>>without
>>
>>
>>>mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon
>>>
>>>
>flutter
>
>
>>at or
>>
>>
>>>around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
>>>
>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
>>>
>>>
>>bulletins
>>
>>
>>>along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
>>>
>>>
>>Click
>>
>>
>>>on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
>>>Bob Locey
>>>Kitfox II
>>>Serial #485
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Can't find service Bulletins |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
I went to Skystar's site and couldn't find the service bulletins today.
I found them the other day, and fortunately I could trace my history
and found where I had visited SB #34 recently, and just changed the
address to get to SB #3. Why can't I get there directly? When I visited
the other day, there was a prompt right on their site that took me
directly to the SB's...what's going on?
Lynn
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| Subject: | even more on mass balance weights |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" <fultz@trip.net>
It was actually AVID that encouraged the use of and supplied the mass
balance weights for both AVID and KF in the early days. Dan Denny would not
believe there might be a problem until the first KF shed its flaperons.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Liles
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
Actually both Kitfox and Avid have shed flapperons. Dean Wilson (Avid)
early on added counterweights (before the accident) as the airplanes
gross and speed increased on the later A model and B model Avids.
Kitfox added weights after an accident due to flapperon flutter. The
Avid that was lost was an Amphibian in which the owner left off the
weights to save weight. He had flutter when he exceeded VNE during a
test flight. If John Larsen is reading he can supply more details.
Jerry Liles
jdmcbean wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
>
>No apologies necessary... It could have happened to either... Always good
to
>learn from others misfortune rather then ones own if possible.
>
>Blue Skies
>John & Debra McBean
>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>
>You might be right about that John. If so, my apologies. Since at that
>time both had the same setup I'm sure that both Kitfox and Avid
subsequently
>mandated the weights, which (IMO) was a good move.
>Darrel
>
>
>>I do not believe that a Kitfox ever shed a flaperon.. However, the close
>>cousin (AVID) did have at least one.
>>Blue Skies
>>John & Debra McBean
>>"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fox5flyer
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: even more on mass balance weights
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
>>
>>I think what you have is pretty close to being accurate. As I recall,
>>
>>
>about
>
>
>>that time there may have been a Kitfox in England that shed a flaperon due
>>to flutter. If this is true, then it probably helped with the decision to
>>go with the balance weights. My first Kitfox was an early model II that I
>>purchased partially built from a gentleman who purchased the weights as a
>>result of the bulletin. They came unfinished, but good quality.
>>Darrel
>>
>>
>>
>>> As I recall Model I and early Model II Kitfox Kits were shipped
>>>
>>>
>>without
>>
>>
>>>mass balance weights. Some of these aircraft experienced flaperon
>>>
>>>
>flutter
>
>
>>at or
>>
>>
>>>around Vne. This resulted in service bulletin #3-Vne (reducing the Vne)
>>>
>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>service bulletin #20-Flaperon Mass Balance (Mandatory). These service
>>>
>>>
>>bulletins
>>
>>
>>>along with all Kitfox service bulletins can be found at www.skystar.com
>>>
>>>
>>Click
>>
>>
>>>on Builder Support then on Service Bulletins.
>>>Bob Locey
>>>Kitfox II
>>>Serial #485
>>>
>>>
>
>
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