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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Jabiru WAS: Bottom False Ribs (Mike Chaney)
2. 05:13 AM - SV: Jabiru (Michel Verheughe)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Gap sealing tape (again) (AV8OR27RL@cs.com)
4. 10:27 AM - Re: Kitfox crash (kurt schrader)
5. 10:35 AM - Re: Hawker SBS Battery (kurt schrader)
6. 11:38 AM - Re: Jabiru (Mike Chaney)
7. 12:22 PM - Re: Jabiru (Bob Unternaehrer)
8. 12:24 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Kerry Skyring)
9. 01:14 PM - Re: Kitfox crash (Michel Verheughe)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: Back from NY and back on the list (OFF TOPIC) (Michel Verheughe)
11. 02:30 PM - Engine timing-NSI (Pete Gow)
12. 02:35 PM - Kitfox with Lyc 235 (Scotty)
13. 03:32 PM - Re: Engine timing-NSI (Rick)
14. 03:40 PM - Re: Hawker SBS Battery (Rick)
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| Subject: | Jabiru WAS: Bottom False Ribs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Give Pete at Jabiru USA a call concerning the deminsions for the intake and
out flow for the cooling. I retained the round cowling on my model four and
have not had cooling problems to date (about 60 or so hours) using Pete's
numbers. I have pictures on Jabiru USA's website. What I noticed most was
going from a three blade prop to a two. The plane just does not want to
slow down on landing. I can't land as short as I did regardless of what I
do. I am very happy with the configuration.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Jabiru WAS: Bottom False Ribs
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Jose M. Toro [jose_m_toro@yahoo.com]
> Do you think that a Jabiru 2200 would be a good alternative for a KF II?
Hello Jose,
Like you, I have a Kitfox with STOL undercambered wings, a Rotax 582 and I
trive flying slow at say, 70 MPH. I have the KF model 3 but I don't think it
makes much a difference.
I will soon be the owner of a Jabiru 2200. I think I made the right choice
because I want a simple engine that goes without trouble. From what I have
been told, I can expect a lower rate of climb but that is not important for
me, I fly from a very long airfield with no obstacles in both directions.
I understand that the most important thing about a Jabiru running well is
proper cooling. And there we have to be careful because I believe the air
cooling of an engine is to the square of the speed and ... we fly slow. I
have been told that under a climb, I should keep 70 MPH to give enough air
to the engine. I have also been told that we should have an air outlet that
is four times the size of the inlet. That's the penality for flying slow.
Last, we both have the round cowling that looks so cool on our planes. Well,
it is not the best thing to have for proper cooling. So far, the best
solution I have found is to mould the aft end of my cowling to the fore end
of a Jabiru plane smooth cowling. Apparently it should fit. Will it look
nice? I don't know. But I know that a plane that has a sound installation
and well-running engine, looks nice anyway. Especially when my son will
borrow the plane and fly around. I'd like to feel he is safe and safety ...
is beautiful! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: Mike Chaney [mdps_mc@swoca.net]
> I have pictures on Jabiru USA's website. <SNIP> I am very happy with the
> configuration.
Hello Mike,
Yes, I have seen your pictures and many others with the round cowling. No one here
has told me that I needed a new cowling, I guess it is my own idea. This is
why (please correct me if I am wrong).
1) The aestetic point of view. Even with a 582, the prop axel is already slightly
up from the center of the round cowling. With the Jabiru, it is even higher.
If we want the look of a rotary engine, the axel should be in the center.
2) If I keep the round cowling, I'll need to seal the gap between the front and
the aft part. That is, as I understand it, very important. Furthermore, the front
opening must be reduced to two holes using a closing plate. But I will also
have an oil cooler, as it was strongly recommended, even in the Norwegian climate.
All this will make my round cowling look strange after modifications.
3) If I have an air-cooled boxer engine, I may as well have a cowling that matches
that type of engine. I believe that the shape of the Jabiru (or smooth cowling
Kitfox, or Rans, or ... many other planes) is optimized for air-cooling.
I may be wrong in my thinking, real aviation is new to me and I am still on the
steep learning curve.
Any comment on this is more than welcomed. Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Gap sealing tape (again) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AV8OR27RL@cs.com
I use a tape I get from a local manufactured home plant. I sealed my
elevator two years ago and it still looks good. Also put it on a small three
corner puncture four years ago and haven't worried about it since. Looks like black
duct tape but there is really no comparison in strength and holding power.
Keep a partial role in the baggage compartment for emergencies. Under $10 for a
huge role.
SEAL-TITE #620
FIRSTLINE CORPORATION
(800) 765-9629
VALOOSTA, GA. 31603
Bob Locey
Kitfox II
N27RL
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox crash |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Mike,
It sure is good to hear from you this soon. Thanks
for keeping us informed. You certainly have all our
best wishes too.
Given the long history of the KF, whenever in crisis,
our planes tend to get us home, or die trying. I
think you are right, that your own plane did all she
could to protect you, more than any other plane I know
of is able. Whatever happened, you should take
comfort in your airmanship, your choice of planes, and
your construction methods for keeping you intact.
Hope you are walking soon and flying again soon after.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- michaelgibbs@cox.net wrote:
> Michel says,
>
> Don's right, it was me and a friend from work.
> Although the newspaper clipping got a little bit
> of it right, they didn't do such a good job on the
> details.
> ...........
> Thanks for the kind thoughts and wishes from the
> list. I look forward to getting back into the
> saddle. It won't be in this Kitfox, however,
> because theairplane was completely destroyed in the
> accident (lots of tears). I'd like to think that
> the airplane sacrificed itself doing just what it
> was supposed to do--it protected us from the worst
> of the fierce impact.
>
> The airframe had about 70 hours on it at the time of
> the accident.
>
> Mike G.
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| Subject: | Re: Hawker SBS Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I recieved a Surplus Center catalog today and it had
the 12 v Hawker SBS sealed battery for $24.95. This
is the 15 amp/hr model SBS J16X battery. Shipping wt
is 17 lbs. Size is 7 3/16 x 3 1/16 x 6 5/8.
I haven't ordered from this cartalog, but if someone
is in need of a battery, this might be a good source.
See <www.surpluscenter.com>
Or
<http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2004091612301209&catname=&qty=1&item=11-2531>
Or call 800-488-3407
Item # 11-2531
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Michael
1. Yes the prop axel is still slighty up on my plane and it was a major
amount of work to use the the same cowling. I determined everytjis would
have been a major amount of work.
2. I didn't fill the gap seals between front and aft cowling. Jabiru
supplied the front enclosure to reduce the openings and it has an opening
for the oil cooler.
3. I'm not sure what you are referring to when yo say, air-cooled boxer
engine.
The only reason I retained the round cowl was for the looks. It may be
easier to go with another style of cowling.
Good luck and I'm sure this list would like to receive updates on your
progress.
Mike Chaney
> From: Mike Chaney [mdps_mc@swoca.net]
> I have pictures on Jabiru USA's website. <SNIP> I am very happy with the
> configuration.
Hello Mike,
Yes, I have seen your pictures and many others with the round cowling. No
one here has told me that I needed a new cowling, I guess it is my own idea.
This is why (please correct me if I am wrong).
1) The aestetic point of view. Even with a 582, the prop axel is already
slightly up from the center of the round cowling. With the Jabiru, it is
even higher. If we want the look of a rotary engine, the axel should be in
the center.
2) If I keep the round cowling, I'll need to seal the gap between the front
and the aft part. That is, as I understand it, very important. Furthermore,
the front opening must be reduced to two holes using a closing plate. But I
will also have an oil cooler, as it was strongly recommended, even in the
Norwegian climate. All this will make my round cowling look strange after
modifications.
3) If I have an air-cooled boxer engine, I may as well have a cowling that
matches that type of engine. I believe that the shape of the Jabiru (or
smooth cowling Kitfox, or Rans, or ... many other planes) is optimized for
air-cooling. I may be wrong in my thinking, real aviation is new to me and I
am still on the steep learning curve.
Any comment on this is more than welcomed. Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilohcom@c-magic.com>
<<<< If we want the look of a rotary engine, the axel should be in the
center.>>>
Buy a round engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> > From: Mike Chaney [mdps_mc@swoca.net]
> > I have pictures on Jabiru USA's website. <SNIP> I am very happy with
the
> > configuration.
>
> Hello Mike,
> Yes, I have seen your pictures and many others with the round cowling. No
one here has told me that I needed a new cowling, I guess it is my own idea.
This is why (please correct me if I am wrong).
> 1) The aestetic point of view. Even with a 582, the prop axel is already
slightly up from the center of the round cowling. With the Jabiru, it is
even higher. If we want the look of a rotary engine, the axel should be in
the center.
> 2) If I keep the round cowling, I'll need to seal the gap between the
front and the aft part. That is, as I understand it, very important.
Furthermore, the front opening must be reduced to two holes using a closing
plate. But I will also have an oil cooler, as it was strongly recommended,
even in the Norwegian climate. All this will make my round cowling look
strange after modifications.
> 3) If I have an air-cooled boxer engine, I may as well have a cowling that
matches that type of engine. I believe that the shape of the Jabiru (or
smooth cowling Kitfox, or Rans, or ... many other planes) is optimized for
air-cooling. I may be wrong in my thinking, real aviation is new to me and I
am still on the steep learning curve.
>
> Any comment on this is more than welcomed. Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Michel I am a novice on Kitfoxes as well but I have to say that the S5 with
Rotax 912S and smooth cowl that I am working on is a very attractive set-up.
Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat four
like the 912 or Jabiru. It's an aesthetic thing and hard to explain. More a
feeling for what looks right and the smooth cowl certainly looks right witht
the 912 and I am certain it will look good with the Jabiru.
By the way if anyone in Europe needs a smooth cowl for an O-200 on an S5 we
have one new and unused and would sell it for a good discount on new price.
A result of a late decision to go Rotax instead of continental.
Kerry in Vienna.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox crash |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> Given the long history of the KF, whenever in crisis,
> our planes tend to get us home, or die trying.
I like the way you and Mike talk about our planes, Kurt. Call me a romantic
idiot if you want, but I believe we can see our planes as a heap of metal and
fabric, or as something much different. After all, we humans, are nothing but a
heap of ... er, water, carbon, minerals and ... animal fat! :-) Yet, once put
together in a special way, we become lovely persons with a soul and mind of our
own.
Our planes will only be what we make of them. And for my own sake, I'd rather
fly with a friend I call by her name and I can trust, than just a heap. It
doesn't change the laws of physic, but it sure makes me feel better.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive : Romantic rubbish! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Back from NY and back on the list (OFF TOPIC) |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Scott McClintock wrote:
> I'm back from NY and my son has officially "jumped the broomstick".
> The wedding was very nice and I was very impressed with upstate NY.
My feeling too, Scott. While NY city was as expected and as seen in so many
movies, the Hudson valley was a rich experience. Lovely countryside yet so
close to the big apple, I never thought it would be like that.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Engine timing-NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Gow" <PGow@CharterMI.Net>
Hi list! I have been reading all the E-mail for some time now with Great interest.So,
it is time for me to jump in and ask a few questions. I have a Kitfox-IV
with a NSI (non-turbo) and a cap 140 prop. I just LOVE the engine and how the
plane flies I have 80hrs on it since I first flew it this past June after a
long build time. Getting in touch with NSI is almost impossible. I want to check
the timing but, NSI has two manuals with two different values.Can anyone tell
me what the correct numbers are? Also, is there a list of NSI repair shops
or persons I can call? Thank You, Peter W. Gow N321PG
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| Subject: | Kitfox with Lyc 235 |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Scotty <mr.scotty@earthlink.net>
Do any of you guys have or know of a Vixen with a Lycombing 235? Are
there any gotchas in this setup? Does it work okay, and perform okay,
or should I just go with a 912S?
Scotty
mr.scotty@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Engine timing-NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I wish i could help. I have numbers for the turbo engine. You will have to
set the timming for both ignitiong. Kinda tricky since the prop is spinning,
guess you could remove it. Best done with two people. Send them an e-mail
as ask for the settings and correct procedure.
Rick, just fixing one more thing.............
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Gow
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine timing-NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Gow" <PGow@CharterMI.Net>
Hi list! I have been reading all the E-mail for some time now with Great
interest.So, it is time for me to jump in and ask a few questions. I have a
Kitfox-IV with a NSI (non-turbo) and a cap 140 prop. I just LOVE the engine
and how the plane flies I have 80hrs on it since I first flew it this past
June after a long build time. Getting in touch with NSI is almost
impossible. I want to check the timing but, NSI has two manuals with two
different values.Can anyone tell me what the correct numbers are? Also, is
there a list of NSI repair shops or persons I can call? Thank You, Peter W.
Gow N321PG
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| Subject: | Hawker SBS Battery |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Those are great batteries. I would put two side by side.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of kurt
schrader
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hawker SBS Battery
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader
<smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
I recieved a Surplus Center catalog today and it had
the 12 v Hawker SBS sealed battery for $24.95. This
is the 15 amp/hr model SBS J16X battery. Shipping wt
is 17 lbs. Size is 7 3/16 x 3 1/16 x 6 5/8.
I haven't ordered from this cartalog, but if someone
is in need of a battery, this might be a good source.
See <www.surpluscenter.com>
Or
<http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2004091612301209&catname=&qty=1&i
tem=11-2531>
Or call 800-488-3407
Item # 11-2531
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
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