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1. 09:51 AM - Re: Jabiru WAS: Bottom False Ribs (Jose M. Toro)
2. 09:58 AM - test - disregard (Fox5flyer)
3. 10:04 AM - How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Roger L)
4. 10:25 AM - Diedral in a Classic IV (owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 10:34 AM - Re: Engine timing-NSI (kurt schrader)
6. 10:45 AM - Re: Diedral in a Classic IV (jdmcbean)
7. 10:45 AM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (kurt schrader)
8. 10:49 AM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (jdmcbean)
9. 10:52 AM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Fox5flyer)
10. 12:04 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (flier)
11. 12:25 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Peter Graichen)
12. 12:29 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Roger L)
13. 12:36 PM - Re: Jabiru (Michel Verheughe)
14. 12:44 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Michel Verheughe)
15. 12:51 PM - Re: Jabiru (Roger L)
16. 12:54 PM - Re: Jabiru (Michel Verheughe)
17. 01:05 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Roger McConnell)
18. 01:22 PM - Re: Jabiru (Jose M. Toro)
19. 01:36 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Jay Fabian)
20. 01:39 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (kitfoxjunky)
21. 01:41 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Jose M. Toro)
22. 01:42 PM - Best KitBuilder Resources (Roger L)
23. 01:49 PM - Re: Engine timing-NSI (NSI AERO)
24. 01:56 PM - Re: Kitfox crash (NSI AERO)
25. 02:02 PM - Re: Jabiru (NSI AERO)
26. 02:13 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Dee Young)
27. 02:19 PM - Non-wood, ground adjustable prop for Jabiru (Jose M. Toro)
28. 02:31 PM - Re: Non-wood, ground adjustable prop for Jabiru (Gary Algate)
29. 02:34 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Gary Algate)
30. 02:41 PM - Fuel Mizer vrs NavMan (Aircraft Spruce)
31. 03:22 PM - Re: Best KitBuilder Resources (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
32. 04:20 PM - Re: Best KitBuilder Resources ()
33. 04:28 PM - Re: Best KitBuilder Resources (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
34. 04:33 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Don Pearsall)
35. 05:30 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
36. 07:28 PM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Jeff Smathers)
37. 09:19 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Lowell Fitt)
38. 09:35 PM - Re: Non-wood, ground adjustable prop for Jabiru (Jim)
39. 11:03 PM - Wing attachment- similar or different? Kitfox & Avid/Airdale (Stu Bryant)
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru WAS: Bottom False Ribs |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
If I use the Jabiru in the KF II, it will be with a Skyfox smooth cowling. My
concern here is the 70 mph for climb. My KF II with the 582 cruises 65 mph at
5500 rpm. So, if I don't get a significant improvement in speed with the Jabiru,
it sounds like I could have cooling problems.
Was your engine installation straight forward, or had to do modifications in the
process?
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> From: Jose M. Toro [jose_m_toro@yahoo.com]
> Do you think that a Jabiru 2200 would be a good alternative for a KF II?
Hello Jose,
Like you, I have a Kitfox with STOL undercambered wings, a Rotax 582 and I trive
flying slow at say, 70 MPH. I have the KF model 3 but I don't think it makes
much a difference.
I will soon be the owner of a Jabiru 2200. I think I made the right choice because
I want a simple engine that goes without trouble. From what I have been told,
I can expect a lower rate of climb but that is not important for me, I fly
from a very long airfield with no obstacles in both directions.
I understand that the most important thing about a Jabiru running well is proper
cooling. And there we have to be careful because I believe the air cooling of
an engine is to the square of the speed and ... we fly slow. I have been told
that under a climb, I should keep 70 MPH to give enough air to the engine. I
have also been told that we should have an air outlet that is four times the
size of the inlet. That's the penality for flying slow.
Last, we both have the round cowling that looks so cool on our planes. Well, it
is not the best thing to have for proper cooling. So far, the best solution I
have found is to mould the aft end of my cowling to the fore end of a Jabiru
plane smooth cowling. Apparently it should fit. Will it look nice? I don't know.
But I know that a plane that has a sound installation and well-running engine,
looks nice anyway. Especially when my son will borrow the plane and fly around.
I'd like to feel he is safe and safety ... is beautiful! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
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| Subject: | test - disregard |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Test
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| Subject: | How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Realistic Question:
How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build kit,
not the
quick build.
I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but I am
suspicious
that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have a full
time
job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
Roger L
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| Subject: | Diedral in a Classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
Hello list members,
After sufering a ground loop, I changed the left wing
of my Classic IV. Ive noticed trough my GPS that I
used to make closer 360o turns (about 0.3 and even .02
of mile in diameter)before the incident. Now I can
make at most 1/2 mile close turns. Ive also noticed
that I have a little more diedral than two other
kitfoxes Ive seen lately. Does anybody know how much
diedral it should have? Probably I made a mistake
mesureing the struts rodends when I put them again.
Thanks in advance,
Francisco Icaza
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: Engine timing-NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Pete,
I had to retime one ignition module last year and
these were the new # I got from NSI then, for the non-
turbo engine. (Mine is the turbo, but I got all the
data.)
Degrees BTDC/RPM
23 1350
33 3000
33 5600
Rev Limit 6000-6200
I first checked my tach for accuracy with a minitach.
That was helpful. Then I made an aluminum pointer for
the rear of the engine and marked the pully for TDC.
You should be able to find a good place to mount a
pointer too. Then you can do it with the prop on, if
you want. I did it with the prop on fron the right
rear side. It still takes 2 people to get it right,
and the plane tied down. And of course, only one
ignition on at a time. :-)
I don't know of any other specific NSI shops. Most
everything you might want to do has been done by
someone on this list or they know where to find
someone. A Soob repair shop can do the general work
if you don't want to. The basic engine is the same,
except for the cam, flywheel, and ignition as far as I
know. Oh, and you should have the new pushrods for
that engine.
Hope that helps,
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Pete Gow <PGow@chartermi.net> wrote:
> Hi list! I have been reading all the E-mail for some
> time now with Great interest. So, it is time for me
> to jump in and ask a few questions. I have a
> Kitfox-IV with a NSI (non-turbo) and a cap 140 prop.
> I just LOVE the engine and how the plane flies I
> have 80hrs on it since I first flew it this past
> June after a long build time. Getting in touch with
> NSI is almost impossible. I want to check the timing
> but, NSI has two manuals with two different
> values.Can anyone tell me what the correct numbers
> are? Also, is there a list of NSI repair shops or
> persons I can call? Thank You, Peter W. Gow
> N321PG
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| Subject: | Diedral in a Classic IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Dihedral varied with the earlier models. Current factory aircraft have 1
degree dihedral and 1 degree washout.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Diedral in a Classic IV
--> Kitfox-List message posted by:
Hello list members,
After sufering a ground loop, I changed the left wing
of my Classic IV. Ive noticed trough my GPS that I
used to make closer 360o turns (about 0.3 and even .02
of mile in diameter)before the incident. Now I can
make at most 1/2 mile close turns. Ive also noticed
that I have a little more diedral than two other
kitfoxes Ive seen lately. Does anybody know how much
diedral it should have? Probably I made a mistake
mesureing the struts rodends when I put them again.
Thanks in advance,
Francisco Icaza
Classic IV
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| Subject: | Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Roger,
There was a survey here a while back and I think the
average was more like 2300-2500 hrs, probably because
we are a bunch of picky people. You have to like
building to stick with it IMHO.
Now Peter G did his in 100 days, if I remember
correctly, and it is a beauty with plenty of mods.
But he had some help and is not the "average Joe" with
tools either.
So it is really a question of whether you really want
to build your own, or whether you just want to have
one to fly. And also if you are an A&P and can do
your own maintenance ofterwords. If you will be
hiring out the maintenence, you are an A7P, and you
just want one to fly, buying a prebuilt one is
cheaper.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Realistic Question:
> How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to
> build a Kitfox regular build kit, not the
> quick build.
> I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on
> a complete V Kit, but I am suspicious
> that this thing is going to take me more then 3
> years to build as a I have a full time
> job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an
> already flying one....
> Roger L
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| Subject: | How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@cableone.net>
Roger,
Depends.... If you stick with it, build it to the manual, and don't
re-engineer items.. it can be completed in 2 years or less. It really
depends on the amount of time you can devote to it and how consistent the
time is. If you go at it with guns blazing for a couple of weeks and then
nothing for a couple of weeks it takes longer.
I know of some that have completed in less then a year and others who are
still at it after 5 years. Sometimes life gets in the way of our dreams.
Blue Skies
John & Debra McBean
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Realistic Question:
How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build
kit, not the
quick build.
I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but I
am suspicious
that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have a
full time
job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
Roger L
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| Subject: | Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
You already have it Roger. If you're working full time you can expect at
least three years building time. Maybe a little less if you don't do any
"experimenting" and build strictly according to plans. I'm sure you'll
receive a lot of varying opinions on this, but I've built two of them and I
know how long it takes. On the other hand, don't let it concern you too
much. The building process is nearly as rewarding as finally flying it.
Good luck.
Darrel
S5
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From: "Roger L" <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
>
> Realistic Question:
> How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular
build kit, not the
> quick build.
> I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but
I am suspicious
> that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have
a full time
> job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
> Roger L
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| Subject: | Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
Took me two yrs without kids. Would have been longer
with kids. About 900 hrs...
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Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to
Build a Kitfox
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>Realistic Question:
>How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to
build a Kitfox regular build kit, not the
>quick build.
>I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on
a complete V Kit, but I am suspicious
>that this thing is going to take me more then 3
years to build as a I have a full time
>job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an
already flying one....
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| Subject: | How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
Built mine in 100 days!
Peter Graichen
http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger L
Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Realistic Question:
How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build
kit, not the
quick build.
I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but I
am suspicious
that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have a
full time
job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
Roger L
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| Subject: | How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
LOL, Peter you don't count, you have earned legend status....
PS - What are you doing for the next 100 days!! :)
Roger L
--- Peter Graichen <n10pg@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Peter Graichen" <n10pg@neo.rr.com>
>
> Built mine in 100 days!
>
> Peter Graichen
> http://home.neo.rr.com/n10pg/kitfox.htm
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> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger L
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
>
> Realistic Question:
> How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build
> kit, not the
> quick build.
> I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but I
> am suspicious
> that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have a
> full time
> job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
> Roger L
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Mike Chaney wrote:
> 3. I'm not sure what you are referring to when yo say, air-cooled boxer
> engine.
I am a graphic designer of trade, Mike, not a mechanic and my knowledge on the
matter is very limited. But I understand that an engine with the cylinders
opposed to one another is called a boxer engine. Maybe it is a Norwegian word,
although I doubt it because if it was it would write "bokser."
I also believe that e.g. the Rotax 582 is called in-line engine. So, the Jabiru
would be an air-cooled boxer engine. Please correct me if I am wrong. I wish to
learn about both engine mechanic and the English language.
> Good luck and I'm sure this list would like to receive updates on your
> progress.
Thank you very much, Mike, and yes, be assured that I will report my progress.
Now that the list is the strong shoulder I can cry upon, I won't hesitate! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Hello Kerry,
Kerry Skyring wrote:
> Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat four
> like the 912 or Jabiru.
Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a 912
without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably because it
is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I can
just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high speed nor
extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly without worrying.
Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought yet the
Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Michel,
I believe you have the definition of Boxer Engine correct, that is what all the
local
members of my Subaru WRX club call our motors, it is basically a flat/horizontally
opposed engine.
Roger L
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Mike Chaney wrote:
> > 3. I'm not sure what you are referring to when yo say, air-cooled boxer
> > engine.
>
> I am a graphic designer of trade, Mike, not a mechanic and my knowledge on the
> matter is very limited. But I understand that an engine with the cylinders
> opposed to one another is called a boxer engine. Maybe it is a Norwegian word,
> although I doubt it because if it was it would write "bokser."
> I also believe that e.g. the Rotax 582 is called in-line engine. So, the Jabiru
> would be an air-cooled boxer engine. Please correct me if I am wrong. I wish
to
> learn about both engine mechanic and the English language.
>
> > Good luck and I'm sure this list would like to receive updates on your
> > progress.
>
> Thank you very much, Mike, and yes, be assured that I will report my progress.
> Now that the list is the strong shoulder I can cry upon, I won't hesitate! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> If I use the Jabiru in the KF II, it will be with a Skyfox smooth cowling.
Will the Skyfox cowling match exactly the inlet of the Jabiru's bafflers, Jose?
If so, maybe that cowling is also something I should have.
> Was your engine installation straight forward, or had to do modifications in
the process?
If you are talking about the Jabiru, it isn't installed yet, Jose. I am merely
preparing the job by inquiring for good advice. I intend to install a new
engine sometimes late November or December.
About the 70 MPH climb speed, it is something I have been told and that I am
merely repeating. Maybe it is exaggerated, I don't know. One thing that seems
evident, though, is that an air-cooled engine needs speed to cool. But if you
have a good inlet / outlet ratio and an oil cooler, maybe that you can climb at
a much lower speed.
Please don't take anything I say very seriously, they are so far only heresays
and not my own experience.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Form one Roger to another, let me say tomorrow it will be exactly two years
to the day that I took delivery on my dream. Today the plane (a Series 7) is
finished painted and sitting on the gear. The panel is wired (as much as it
can be) and ready to install. The wings are finished and ready to hang. The
only thing missing is an engine that has been on order for, yes that's
right, two years. It's not like I've needed the engine to work on the plane
but now no work can continue till I get it. I've enjoyed tremendously the
last two years working on the plane and at the same time have felt very
frustrated at having to wait on parts so I can finish. I guess the moral of
this story is go ahead and buy a Kit Fox. Enjoy the next two to three years
building it, but don't order an engine till your ready for it. Other wise
someone else will be using your money instead of you.
Roger Mac
S7/ 912S (soon I hope)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger L
Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Realistic Question:
How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build
kit, not the
quick build.
I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but I
am suspicious
that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have a
full time
job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
Roger L
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
The closest I've been to the Jabiru and Skyfox cowl combination is the three articles
written by Dave Jalanti for Kitplanes, and the information found on avidflyeraircraft.com
site on Mark Shindlers' Avid. So, I'm like you, gathering
information.
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
"Jose M. Toro" wrote:
> If I use the Jabiru in the KF II, it will be with a Skyfox smooth cowling.
Will the Skyfox cowling match exactly the inlet of the Jabiru's bafflers, Jose?
If so, maybe that cowling is also something I should have.
> Was your engine installation straight forward, or had to do modifications in
the process?
If you are talking about the Jabiru, it isn't installed yet, Jose. I am merely
preparing the job by inquiring for good advice. I intend to install a new
engine sometimes late November or December.
About the 70 MPH climb speed, it is something I have been told and that I am
merely repeating. Maybe it is exaggerated, I don't know. One thing that seems
evident, though, is that an air-cooled engine needs speed to cool. But if you
have a good inlet / outlet ratio and an oil cooler, maybe that you can climb at
a much lower speed.
Please don't take anything I say very seriously, they are so far only heresays
and not my own experience.
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jay Fabian" <experimental208nd@comcast.net>
Took me 11 months, it had the quick build wings though. I had also built a
few other ultralights and remote control planes before. I also work 12-14
hours aday 6 days a week. So I almost got a divorce over it, but all is fine
now and my two boys love it.
Now I can get some sleep.
Jay
4-1200 912 UL
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "flier" <FLIER@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Took me two yrs without kids. Would have been longer
> with kids. About 900 hrs...
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to
> Build a Kitfox
>
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L
> <yiotta@yahoo.com>
> >
> >Realistic Question:
> >How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to
> build a Kitfox regular build kit, not the
> >quick build.
> >I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on
> a complete V Kit, but I am suspicious
> >that this thing is going to take me more then 3
> years to build as a I have a full time
> >job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an
> already flying one....
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| Subject: | How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
04:39:33 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/17/2004 04:39:33 PM
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kitfoxjunky <kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com>
Bought mine after a couple of months of drooling. Then again, if you
build it vs buying it built, you know every nut and bolt, and you choose
all the accessories. In hindsight, not a bad idea.
Gary Walsh
C-GOOT
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Michel:
I don't have a 912 and, as far as I understand, there is no 912 in Puerto Rico
currently. However, I continuously receive Mandatory Service Bulletins from
Rotax about problems with the 912. Based on what I've heard, 912 can't be a
better alternative than a Jabiru.
A four stroke, air cooled, direct drive, light and smooth engine seems to be a
better alternative.
Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
Hello Kerry,
Kerry Skyring wrote:
> Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat four
> like the 912 or Jabiru.
Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a 912
without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably because it
is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I can
just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high speed nor
extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly without worrying.
Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought yet the
Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
Cheers,
Michel
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Best KitBuilder Resources |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Jose brings up another question I have been wanting to ask.
What would you guys/gals consider the best kitplane resources,
as far as websites or magazines/journals?
I apologize if this has been addressed previously.
Roger L
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| Subject: | Engine timing-NSI |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Hello Pete,
Drop my an e-mail at www.info@nsiaero.com and we can send you a copy of the
engine tuning and operating limits service letter.
Lance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Gow
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine timing-NSI
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Pete Gow" <PGow@CharterMI.Net>
Hi list! I have been reading all the E-mail for some time now with Great
interest.So, it is time for me to jump in and ask a few questions. I have a
Kitfox-IV with a NSI (non-turbo) and a cap 140 prop. I just LOVE the engine
and how the plane flies I have 80hrs on it since I first flew it this past
June after a long build time. Getting in touch with NSI is almost
impossible. I want to check the timing but, NSI has two manuals with two
different values.Can anyone tell me what the correct numbers are? Also, is
there a list of NSI repair shops or persons I can call? Thank You, Peter W.
Gow N321PG
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Hi Michel,
It is so good to hear from you and that both of you (Your friend) are
mending after your ordeal. It also so sad that your Fox my not be
repairable. I lost my Model 5 several years ago and still think about it to
this day.
Please get "More Better" soon.
Lance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
michaelgibbs@cox.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox crash
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <michaelgibbs@cox.net>
Michel says,
<http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/frontpage_lead/story/16395>
Does anyone know anything more?
Don's right, it was me and a friend from work. Although the newspaper
clipping got a little bit of it right, they didn't do such a good job on the
details.
After breakfast and re-fueling at Payson, AZ, we took off to return to
Phoenix
(typically about a 30 to 40 minute flight). The NTSB and FAA are both still
investigating and I am suffering from some memory loss as a result of the
impact, so I can't say too much, but I can tell you that I am not aware of
any
pre-accident failure of the engine, propeller, airframe, or flight controls.
There was no attempt at a landing because we were attempting to keep
flying! Impact was in an area of very rough terrain that really slowed down
rescue attempts. My advice is that if you decide to crash your airplane, do
so
where rescuers will be able to reach you easily.
Injuries were more severe than originally reported. Both of us suffered
facial
injuries after smashing our heads into the panel. Both of my legs are
broken
below the knee and my passenger fractured a vertebra along with his pelvis.
When we arrived at the hospital I stopped breathing and had to be intubated
on the heli-pad. Total time from crash to arrival at the hospital was
nearly
five hours (odds of a successful recovery increase dramatically if this can
be
kept to an hour or less). The week after the crash one of my doctors told
me
that he had not expected my passenger or I to have survived.
My passenger was able to return to work this week, but I remain in the
hospital unable to walk. I have had 4 surgeries so far and they expect one
more will be required to complete repairs on my leg bones.
Thanks for the kind thoughts and wishes from the list. I look forward to
getting back into the saddle. It won't be in this Kitfox, however, because
the
airplane was completely destroyed in the accident (lots of tears). I'd like
to
think that the airplane sacrificed itself doing just what it was supposed to
do--it protected us from the worst of the fierce impact.
The airframe had about 70 hours on it at the time of the accident.
Mike G.
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "NSI AERO" <info@nsiaero.com>
Hi Roger,
A WRX club? I have a modified WRX-STI (Rolling R&D test bed) that is so
much fun it should be illeage to drive on pubic roads.
Lance wheeler
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger L
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Michel,
I believe you have the definition of Boxer Engine correct, that is what all
the local members of my Subaru WRX club call our motors, it is basically a
flat/horizontally opposed engine. Roger L
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
> Mike Chaney wrote:
> > 3. I'm not sure what you are referring to when yo say, air-cooled
> > boxer engine.
>
> I am a graphic designer of trade, Mike, not a mechanic and my
> knowledge on the matter is very limited. But I understand that an
> engine with the cylinders opposed to one another is called a boxer
> engine. Maybe it is a Norwegian word, although I doubt it because if
> it was it would write "bokser." I also believe that e.g. the Rotax 582
> is called in-line engine. So, the Jabiru would be an air-cooled boxer
> engine. Please correct me if I am wrong. I wish to learn about both
> engine mechanic and the English language.
>
> > Good luck and I'm sure this list would like to receive updates on
> > your progress.
>
> Thank you very much, Mike, and yes, be assured that I will report my
> progress. Now that the list is the strong shoulder I can cry upon, I
> won't hesitate! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young" <henrysfork1@msn.com>
I don't see how you guys can loose on a Jabiru. Like you say they are
simple, air cooled and I think they have a TBO of around 2,000hrs. The fuel
burn should be around 3 gals. per hour. Not bad.
Dee Young
Model II KFM 112
N345 DY
Do not archive
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:41:17 +0200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello Kerry,
>
>Kerry Skyring wrote:
> > Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat
>four
> > like the 912 or Jabiru.
>
>Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a 912
>without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably
>because it
>is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I can
>just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high speed
>nor
>extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly without
>worrying.
>Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought yet
>the
>Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Non-wood, ground adjustable prop for Jabiru |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
All the Jabirus that I've seen use wood props. Since Puerto Rico is an extremely
humid place, I would like to use a composite prop. I recall from a comparison
table that was recently posted that the Warp 2 blades prop can be used. Could
any of you recomend other non-wood, groung adjustable alternatives???
Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Dee Young"
I don't see how you guys can loose on a Jabiru. Like you say they are
simple, air cooled and I think they have a TBO of around 2,000hrs. The fuel
burn should be around 3 gals. per hour. Not bad.
Dee Young
Model II KFM 112
N345 DY
Do not archive
>From: Michel Verheughe
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:41:17 +0200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
>Hello Kerry,
>
>Kerry Skyring wrote:
> > Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat
>four
> > like the 912 or Jabiru.
>
>Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a 912
>without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably
>because it
>is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I can
>just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high speed
>nor
>extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly without
>worrying.
>Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought yet
>the
>Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| Subject: | Non-wood, ground adjustable prop for Jabiru |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I was in Australia recently and had an opportunity to fly in a number of
Jabiru aircrafts with jabiru engines. All of them used either Bolly or Warp
drive composite props.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
All the Jabirus that I've seen use wood props. Since Puerto Rico is an
extremely humid place, I would like to use a composite prop. I recall from
a comparison table that was recently posted that the Warp 2 blades prop can
be used. Could any of you recomend other non-wood, groung adjustable
alternatives???
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
Just one point to note, when reading the Australian Ultralight Federation
magazine they report each month on aircraft incidents. Over the past year or
so I have been surprised at the number of Jabs that have failed due to a
combination of stuck valves and/or carb ice issues.
I believe that there are far more Jab incidents reported than Rotax. I don't
know the population of both engines though so these figures may not be
representative\.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
-----Original Message
I don't see how you guys can loose on a Jabiru. Like you say they are
simple, air cooled and I think they have a TBO of around 2,000hrs. The fuel
burn should be around 3 gals. per hour. Not bad.
Dee Young
Model II KFM 112
N345 DY
Do not archive
>From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:41:17 +0200
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
>
>Hello Kerry,
>
>Kerry Skyring wrote:
> > Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat
>four
> > like the 912 or Jabiru.
>
>Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a 912
>without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably
>because it
>is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I can
>just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high speed
>nor
>extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly without
>worrying.
>Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought yet
>the
>Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
>
>Cheers,
>Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Mizer vrs NavMan |
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canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com, Corby_Starlet@yahoogroups.com,
navion_aircraft_mail@yahoogroups.com, piper-cub-builders@yahoogroups.com,
quicksilverultralightowners@yahoogroups.com, RV10@yahoogroups.com,
subaruaircraft@yahoogroups.com, europa-list@matronics.com,
kitfox-list@matronics.com, kolb-list@matronics.com
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aircraft Spruce <fun_plane@yahoo.com>
Builders,
Thanks for bringing the matter of Fuel Mizer vs.
NavMan fuel computers to our attention. We have
carried Fuel Mizer for a couple of years and had never
heard of NavMan. We asked the manufacturer of NavMan
about the difference in the units, and as you can see
from the following commentary there is definitely a
difference, only the Fuel Mizer is recommended for
Aviation use. Fuel Mizer has been thoroughly tested
in aviation applications and is certified for
CAO-95-45 aircraft in the Australia.
Best Regards,
Jim Irwin
President, Aircraft Spruce
----- Original Message -----
From: SlipStream Industries, Inc.
Subject: Questions Regarding Fuel Mizer
Dear Jim:
I am forwarding an email I received from Ole Jensen,
President of Boss Products, the manufacturer of the
Fuel Mizer under license from Navman. SlipStream is
Boss Product's North American distributor. In his
response to the questions posed yesterday, he
references certain modifications and approvals
received for use of this product in aviation. The
exact language found on the cover of the Installation
and Instruction manual is as follows:
This instrument has been modified to comply with
Australian Engineering order HEO-469 and certified for
CAO 95-25 type aircraft in Australia.
Please let me know if you have any questions, or
desire any further information.
Kindest regards,
Mike Puhl
SlipStream International
----- Original Message -----
From: Ole Jensen
Subject: Re: Mizer.
Dear Mike:
The question raised regarding the Navman fuel
flow meter and the Mizer is a common one that has been
around for many years and a lot of people have lost
money and endangered themselves by purchasing the
Navman for use in aviation. Nearly all the Navman
units purchased for this application have failed and
Navman refuses to replace them under warranty. Several
years ago we negotiated with Navman and paid a
licensing fee that enabled us to make the appropriate
modifications for use in aviation. In addition, the
Mizer has been registered with CASA (the equivalent to
your FAA) and certified by a qualified aeronautical
engineer. Boss Products paid to have the appropriate
modifications made for use in civil aviation, and
these modifications have been improved upon several
times since. As a result, the Mizer enjoys an
excellent reliability record and has been certified
according to CAO order no.HEO-469 as printed on the
cover of the installation manual.
Any one doubting the validity of our agreement
with Navman is free to contact the Vice President of
Navman in New Zealand, Mr. Mark Michell, and he will
verify these facts. Boss Products is the only company
in the world licensed to modify and distribute this
particular product. Unfortunately, some unscrupulous
marine dealers still offer the Navman for use in
unapproved applications despite the knowledge that the
manufacturer strictly prohibits this practice. Greed
and ignorance are usually the motivator. I can also
tell you that the price differences between the Navman
and Fuel Mizer are reasonably close, especially
considering the potential danger for misuse in a
non-approved aviation application. Further, I spoke
with Navman earlier today and was told that no one in
the U.S. is offering this unit for anywhere close to
US $99.00, and that the suggested retail price is US
$299.00, though they offer special MAP pricing from
time to time.
Hope this helps to clear up this issue. Please let me
know if I can be of further assistance in any way.
Regards,
Ole Jensen
President
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/04 1:43:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yiotta@yahoo.com
writes:
> Jose brings up another question I have been wanting to ask.
> What would you guys/gals consider the best kitplane resources,
> as far as websites or magazines/journals?
> I apologize if this has been addressed previously.
> Roger L
>
I used mostly Aircraft Spruce for building stuff and California Power Systems
(CPS) for all Rotax related stuff
Don Smythe
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <kirkhull@sbcglobal.net>
Join an active EAA chapter
> Jose brings up another question I have been wanting to ask.
> What would you guys/gals consider the best kitplane resources,
> as far as websites or magazines/journals?
> I apologize if this has been addressed previously.
> Roger L
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best KitBuilder Resources |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/04 4:20:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kirkhull@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Join an active EAA chapter
>
>
> > Jose brings up another question I have been wanting to ask.
> > What would you guys/gals consider the best kitplane resources,
> > as far as websites or magazines/journals?
>
My apologies, I misread the post and thought it was asking for best parts
support.
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Roger, did you order your engine from Skystar? Is it paid for?
Two years waiting for an engine is unacceptable. What do they say is the
problem? Obviously, others have gotten engines from SS in the last two
years, so I am curious as to why they are holding out on you.
Don Pearsall
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger McConnell
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger McConnell" <rdmac@swbell.net>
Form one Roger to another, let me say tomorrow it will be exactly two years
to the day that I took delivery on my dream. Today the plane (a Series 7) is
finished painted and sitting on the gear. The panel is wired (as much as it
can be) and ready to install. The wings are finished and ready to hang. The
only thing missing is an engine that has been on order for, yes that's
right, two years. It's not like I've needed the engine to work on the plane
but now no work can continue till I get it. I've enjoyed tremendously the
last two years working on the plane and at the same time have felt very
frustrated at having to wait on parts so I can finish. I guess the moral of
this story is go ahead and buy a Kit Fox. Enjoy the next two to three years
building it, but don't order an engine till your ready for it. Other wise
someone else will be using your money instead of you.
Roger Mac
S7/ 912S (soon I hope)
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger L
Subject: Kitfox-List: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
Realistic Question:
How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build
kit, not the
quick build.
I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but I
am suspicious
that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have a
full time
job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
Roger L
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| Subject: | Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/04 4:33:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
donpearsall@comcast.net writes:
> Roger, did you order your engine from Skystar? Is it paid for?
> Two years waiting for an engine is unacceptable. What do they say is the
> problem? Obviously, others have gotten engines from SS in the last two
> years, so I am curious as to why they are holding out on you.
>
Roger,
If the above proves that you ordered the engine from Skystar and have
been waiting two years, I would go into a hysterical fit. Unacceptable is a
minor statement. I would demand an immediate refund or an engine (which ever came
first). There must be several places that could get you an engine in 30 days
or less.
I just started working (last week) in the experimental aircraft world and
already see things that absolutely ticks me off (both safety and ethics).
Don Smythe
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| Subject: | Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jeff Smathers <jsmathers@cybcon.com>
Hi Roger,
I had a shop, a very understanding and supportive wife and kids, and 4 years
of extra time in the shop after all my "chores" were done......
If you can average 1-2 hours an evening after work you could do it in less than
4 years fairly easy. Get all of your other things in order first. Fix the house,
fix the cars, the fence, and finish the tree house for your kids first! And then
go
for it !
Jeff Smathers KF5 Molalla, OR.
Roger L wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Roger L <yiotta@yahoo.com>
>
> Realistic Question:
> How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build
kit, not the
> quick build.
> I have an opportunity to get a fairly good price on a complete V Kit, but I am
suspicious
> that this thing is going to take me more then 3 years to build as a I have a
full time
> job and family... I wonder if I should just buy an already flying one....
> Roger L
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Jose,
I have a 912 UL and just went to the Rotax Owners Association and did a
search on my engine by serial number for appropriate Service Bulletins and
Service letters. My advice to the doubters, try it some time. If you need
a serial number drop me a post or just check for engine type.
Such topics covered:
-Recommended engine oils.
-New dipstick - - (both these items have to do with the EPA mandated
changes in the formulations that have resulted in oil foaming due to the
mandatory removal of anti-foaming additives.) Yes Rotax does research and
test engine oils.
-Proper alignment of piston rings when overhauling an engine
-Carburetor flange, proper fixation and inspection.
-New starter available
-inspection procedures for detection of crank case cracks.
-Stator replacement - For which Rotax supplied free parts, free loan of
tools or free everything if the engine is returned to a Rotax Service
Letter.
-Increase in TBO
Question - which other engine manufacturer is more thorough in informing
it's users of issues that arise. My understanding is that the mandatory
stator replacement was because of less than half a dozen incidents that were
due to poor maintenance practices with the engines in certified trainers.
Question - Can it be possible that the silent ones somehow have finally
built the perfect engine?
I really have trouble believing that no news is good news when it comes to
aircraft engines.
Respectfully,
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>
> Michel:
>
> I don't have a 912 and, as far as I understand, there is no 912 in Puerto
Rico currently. However, I continuously receive Mandatory Service
Bulletins from Rotax about problems with the 912. Based on what I've heard,
912 can't be a better alternative than a Jabiru.
> A four stroke, air cooled, direct drive, light and smooth engine seems to
be a better alternative.
>
> Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> Hello Kerry,
>
> Kerry Skyring wrote:
> > Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat
four
> > like the 912 or Jabiru.
>
> Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a 912
> without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably
because it
> is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I
can
> just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high speed
nor
> extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly
without worrying.
> Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought yet
the
> Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Non-wood, ground adjustable prop for Jabiru |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jim" <jim@jabirupacific.com>
Hello All
In most applications a wood two-blade prop works best on the Jabiru Engine
in a tractor configuration.
The reason for this is most fixed pitch prop has more airfoil at the root of
the prop the move air into the cooling ducts.
The ground adjustable props don't, but in a pusher configuration they work
just fine.
Also the wood prop is a natural harmonic damper, which are most applications
will run a little smoother.
Jim McCormick
Jabiru Pacific LLC
255 W. Fallbrook 202B
Fresno, CA 93711
559-431-1701 fax 555-431-7976
jim@jabirupacific.com www.jabirupacific.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary Algate
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Non-wood, ground adjustable prop for Jabiru
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Gary Algate" <algate@attglobal.net>
I was in Australia recently and had an opportunity to fly in a number of
Jabiru aircrafts with jabiru engines. All of them used either Bolly or Warp
drive composite props.
Gary Algate
Lite2/582
List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Hi Guys:
All the Jabirus that I've seen use wood props. Since Puerto Rico is an
extremely humid place, I would like to use a composite prop. I recall from
a comparison table that was recently posted that the Warp 2 blades prop can
be used. Could any of you recomend other non-wood, groung adjustable
alternatives???
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| Subject: | Wing attachment- similar or different? Kitfox & Avid/Airdale |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant@sbcglobal.net>
How does the KF wing attachment and flaperon linkage differ between current
KF's & the Airdale or more recent Avid's? How difficult/advisable if someone
was to basically start with an Airdale frame & KF wings? Or is this a poor
idea? Which style is easier to fold?
How does the longer Airdale fuselage/empennage change the t/o, flying &
landing characteristics? Are wheel landings much easier with the Airdale?
I've heard some say that three point is essentially the only way in a KF
taildragger. The longer frame sounds at first to be a good idea. I'd love to
hear comments from anyone who has any comparative knowledge about these two
related birds.
Thanks,
Stu
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