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1. 01:21 AM - [Off-topic] Mistaken name (Michel Verheughe)
2. 01:26 AM - All the Jabirus that I've seen use wood props. Since Puerto Rico is an extremely (Rex & Jan Shaw)
3. 01:32 AM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Michel Verheughe)
4. 02:19 AM - [off-topic] Terminology (Michel Verheughe)
5. 06:32 AM - 912UL Ignition Wiring (Lyle Persels)
6. 07:22 AM - Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox (Wwillyard@aol.com)
7. 07:41 AM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Paul)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: SV: Jabiru (Lowell Fitt)
9. 10:52 AM - series 5 vs KFIV ()
10. 11:01 AM - Re: series 5 vs KFIV (Lowell Fitt)
11. 12:32 PM - Re: series 5 vs KFIV (Fox5flyer)
12. 12:34 PM - Re: [off-topic] Terminology (kurt schrader)
13. 01:24 PM - Re: Plane talk - was kitfox crash (kurt schrader)
14. 02:16 PM - Re: SV: Jabiru (kurt schrader)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: Plane talk - was kitfox crash (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
16. 04:03 PM - Applying Gap Seal tape. (Shane Fewings)
17. 04:23 PM - Re: Applying Gap Seal tape. (Don Pearsall)
18. 04:48 PM - Re: Applying Gap Seal tape. (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
19. 05:25 PM - Re: Applying Gap Seal tape. (Don Pearsall)
20. 05:29 PM - Re: Applying Gap Seal tape. (Rick)
21. 08:25 PM - Re: 912UL Ignition Wiring (John King)
22. 08:50 PM - Re: Fuel Mizer vrs NavMan (Andy)
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Mistaken name |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
NSI AERO wrote:
> Hi Michel,
> It is so good to hear from you and that both of you (Your friend) are
> mending after your ordeal.
Lance, I think you mean: Mike (Michael Gibbs) and not Michel. While our
surnames are the same and I have often been called Mike, Michael, Mikkel,
Miguel, etc. I think that Mike Gibbs is not used to see his surname written the
French way. Especially since, in the Anglo-Saxon countries (and Scandinavia,
for the matter) it is mostly a girl's name (but then written, Michelle). :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | All the Jabirus that I've seen use wood props. Since Puerto |
Rico is an extremely
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
All the Jabirus that I've seen use wood props. Since Puerto Rico is an
extremely
humid place, I would like to use a composite prop. I recall from a
comparison
table that was recently posted that the Warp 2 blades prop can be used.
Could
any of you recomend other non-wood, groung adjustable alternatives???
Guys I have been watching this discussion with interest but wasn't sure I
should comment. I have a Kitfox IV/582 and train in a Jabiru plane with the
2200 motor. When I saw the question re composite props on a Jabiru motor
though I felt I had to put my bit in. Do not under any circumstances run a
composite prop on a Jabiru 2200. It will definitely end in tears. I am from
Australia where these are made and get to hear a lot about them. There is a
lot of work being done to try and solve the problems of the composite prop
on a Jabiru but as yet it is a very big NO NO !
On the other hand the Jabiru is a good engine as you guys are saying. It
does need carefull attention so as not to overheat especially the oil
though. Jabiru say don't fly in more than 40 degrees celsius. An oil cooler
is essential in all but the coolest weather. I think slow speeds in a Mod II
might also offer a challenge as we need to cruise climb at 80 knots or we
overheat in the Jabiru plane.
I hope this helps.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Lowell Fitt wrote:
> Question - which other engine manufacturer is more thorough in informing
> it's users of issues that arise. <SNIP>
> Question - Can it be possible that the silent ones somehow have finally
> built the perfect engine?
Jose, Lowell has a good point, which I had also observed. I like the way Rotax
informs us.
Gary Algate wrote:
> Over the past year or so I have been surprised at the number of Jabs that have
failed
> due to a combination of stuck valves and/or carb ice issues.
With my total mechanic ignorance, Gary, I will timidly suggest that the stuck
valves is an overheating problem. Hence my first concern to make everything in
my power to proper cool that engine.
For the carburettor icing issue, my Jabiru agent told me that I needed two
extras: the oil cooler and the carb heater box that mounts on the firewall. I
think the later was recommended as an acknowledgement of the icing issue. What
do you think?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Roger L wrote:
> I believe you have the definition of Boxer Engine correct
Thank you, Roger. Having lived in three different countries and speaking four
different languages makes me sometimes say funny things. The latest in date
became apparent when I chatted, off-list, with Jim. About radio communication,
I wrote: "transmitting blind." Something Jim couldn't understand.
It is a direct translation from what we say in Norwegian when we mean:
transmitting without expecting an answer.
Then I realized that when I made 9 different maps (with a layout similar to
Jeppessens) of our small landing strips, I wrote there: "Within 2 NM of the
landing strip, transmit blind on 122.50"
This is to warn other microlight aircraft that may be in the landing pattern
that you are joining in, 122.50 being "our frequency."
Jim then suggested that I write: "within 2 NM report position on 122.50"
I stand corrected.
Note that the reason I wrote this in English is that we would like to welcome
light aircraft pilots from other countries to use these, as we distribute them
on the internet.
If any of you has the time to look at them and eventually come back with
comments as how to improve them (use of symbols, etc) I would very much
appreciate that. Here is the link to the PDF document:
http://home.online.no/~michel/NVMK/collection.PDF
I'd appreciate any comment. Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | 912UL Ignition Wiring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Based on years of list comments and recommendations as well as
intermittent problems, I've decided to move my module/coil cluster and
rewire the ignition system on my Kitfox IV/912. I have a few questions.
My A&P recommends using a circular cannon plug-type connector for
the trigger wiring. I suppose the other two wires (charging circuit and
grounding/p-lead circuits could be included in this plug. I lean toward
the molex or something similar to the factory-provided connectors. What
are the thoughts or experiences of those who've done this?
Has anyone experienced problems with the wiring between the
electronic modules and the coils. Should these be replaced?
Can anyone recommend a source for the insulated single pin/plug type
connectors equivalent to those used on the oem installation?
Finally (I think John King has done this), does anyone have pictures or
tips for mounting the ignition components on the fixed (firewall side)
of the engine mount?
Lyle Persels
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| Subject: | Re: How Long Does it REALLY Take to Build a Kitfox |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Wwillyard@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/2004 1:05:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
yiotta@yahoo.com writes:
How long does it REALLY take the average Joe to build a Kitfox regular build
kit, not the quick build.
Six years and 2200+ hours on my Classic IV. Married with three kids, moved
2 times during construction and incorporated many modifications. Also
depends on the standards that you impose on yourself for acceptable workmanship.
Bill W.
Classic IV 912UL
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
Hi Lowell,
Your point is well taken. Apparently some pilots just dont want any input. We
have all heard of the disasters of most other engines and the only way people
find out is by the grapevine. Rotax has an automatic notification program via
email, but they send notices by type instead of by specific serial number. However,
one can search like you did by serial number. The last time I did that
it missed the generic messages like proper oil to use.
I just read the notices and keep the ones that apply.
Conclusion: Rotax provided great owner support.
Regards, Paul
=============
At 9:19 PM -0700 9/17/04, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>
>Jose,
>
>I have a 912 UL and just went to the Rotax Owners Association and did a
>search on my engine by serial number for appropriate Service Bulletins and
>Service letters. My advice to the doubters, try it some time. If you need
>a serial number drop me a post or just check for engine type.
>
>Such topics covered:
>
>-Recommended engine oils.
>-New dipstick - - (both these items have to do with the EPA mandated
>changes in the formulations that have resulted in oil foaming due to the
>mandatory removal of anti-foaming additives.) Yes Rotax does research and
>test engine oils.
>-Proper alignment of piston rings when overhauling an engine
>-Carburetor flange, proper fixation and inspection.
>-New starter available
>-inspection procedures for detection of crank case cracks.
>-Stator replacement - For which Rotax supplied free parts, free loan of
>tools or free everything if the engine is returned to a Rotax Service
>Letter.
>-Increase in TBO
>
>Question - which other engine manufacturer is more thorough in informing
>it's users of issues that arise. My understanding is that the mandatory
>stator replacement was because of less than half a dozen incidents that were
>due to poor maintenance practices with the engines in certified trainers.
>
>Question - Can it be possible that the silent ones somehow have finally
>built the perfect engine?
>
>I really have trouble believing that no news is good news when it comes to
>aircraft engines.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
>
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Michel:
>>
>> I don't have a 912 and, as far as I understand, there is no 912 in Puerto
>Rico currently. However, I continuously receive Mandatory Service
>Bulletins from Rotax about problems with the 912. Based on what I've heard,
>912 can't be a better alternative than a Jabiru.
>> A four stroke, air cooled, direct drive, light and smooth engine seems to
>be a better alternative.
>>
>> Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>>
>> Hello Kerry,
>>
>> Kerry Skyring wrote:
>> > Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a flat
>four
>> > like the 912 or Jabiru.
>>
>> Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a 912
>> without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably
>because it
>> is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I
>can
>> just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high speed
>nor
>> extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly
>without worrying.
>> Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought yet
>the
>> Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
>> Kitfox II/582
>> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>>
>>
> > ---------------------------------
--
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Thanks Paul, To try to be fair, I checked the Rotax website for
documentation - for the first time actually, I had previously gotten all my
info from the Rotax Owners Association - and was pleased to find a
searchable list of all Service Bulletins and letters.
I also from time to time (just did my search again in the interest of
fairness) search other manufacturers and conversion shops for their
bulletins and so far, I have been totally disappointed in the search.
Whether the bulletins/letters exist, I can't say, I can say however, they
are not found on line in the companies websites. One has pages dedicated to
bulletins, but they are blank and there have been grapevine issues with
these engines.
My strong advice to those looking for engines - check the manufacturer's
website for documentation especially service bulletins. If they haven't
been in business long enough to have learned of their engines weaknesses
beware. If they have been in business long enough to have learned something
about their engines (Paul mentioned the grapevine) and still there are no
published service bulletins/letters, buy at your own risk and prepare to
learn on your own or through the grapevine.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <pwilson@climber.org>
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
>
> Hi Lowell,
> Your point is well taken. Apparently some pilots just dont want any
input. We have all heard of the disasters of most other engines and the
only way people find out is by the grapevine. Rotax has an automatic
notification program via email, but they send notices by type instead of by
specific serial number. However, one can search like you did by serial
number. The last time I did that it missed the generic messages like proper
oil to use.
> I just read the notices and keep the ones that apply.
>
> Conclusion: Rotax provided great owner support.
>
> Regards, Paul
> =============
> At 9:19 PM -0700 9/17/04, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
> >
> >Jose,
> >
> >I have a 912 UL and just went to the Rotax Owners Association and did a
> >search on my engine by serial number for appropriate Service Bulletins
and
> >Service letters. My advice to the doubters, try it some time. If you
need
> >a serial number drop me a post or just check for engine type.
> >
> >Such topics covered:
> >
> >-Recommended engine oils.
> >-New dipstick - - (both these items have to do with the EPA mandated
> >changes in the formulations that have resulted in oil foaming due to the
> >mandatory removal of anti-foaming additives.) Yes Rotax does research
and
> >test engine oils.
> >-Proper alignment of piston rings when overhauling an engine
> >-Carburetor flange, proper fixation and inspection.
> >-New starter available
> >-inspection procedures for detection of crank case cracks.
> >-Stator replacement - For which Rotax supplied free parts, free loan of
> >tools or free everything if the engine is returned to a Rotax Service
> >Letter.
> >-Increase in TBO
> >
> >Question - which other engine manufacturer is more thorough in informing
> >it's users of issues that arise. My understanding is that the mandatory
> >stator replacement was because of less than half a dozen incidents that
were
> >due to poor maintenance practices with the engines in certified trainers.
> >
> >Question - Can it be possible that the silent ones somehow have finally
> >built the perfect engine?
> >
> >I really have trouble believing that no news is good news when it comes
to
> >aircraft engines.
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Lowell
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> >To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Jabiru
> >
> >
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
<jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Michel:
> >>
> >> I don't have a 912 and, as far as I understand, there is no 912 in
Puerto
> >Rico currently. However, I continuously receive Mandatory Service
> >Bulletins from Rotax about problems with the 912. Based on what I've
heard,
> >912 can't be a better alternative than a Jabiru.
> >> A four stroke, air cooled, direct drive, light and smooth engine seems
to
> >be a better alternative.
> >>
> >> Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> >> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
> >>
> >> Hello Kerry,
> >>
> >> Kerry Skyring wrote:
> >> > Something doesn't quite ring true with the round "bump" cowl and a
flat
> >four
> >> > like the 912 or Jabiru.
> >>
> >> Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And I could install a
912
> >> without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a Jabiru? Probably
> >because it
> >> is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I wish to have a plane I
> >can
> >> just fly without thinking much about the engine. I don't need high
speed
> >nor
> >> extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or my son, can fly
> >without worrying.
> >> Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be better. I have bought
yet
> >the
> >> Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from the list.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Michel
> >>
> >>
> >> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> >> Kitfox II/582
> >> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
> >>
> >>
> > > ---------------------------------
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | series 5 vs KFIV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
A friend has located a wrecked series 5 fuselage he is going to buy. He
wants to know if he can take measurements off my KF-IV-1050.
Is the series 5 fuselage different than the KF-IV?
Thanks Clem
Oklahoma
KF-IV-1050,912. 13 years and still building.
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| Subject: | Re: series 5 vs KFIV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
Yes definitely different.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: series 5 vs KFIV
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>
> A friend has located a wrecked series 5 fuselage he is going to buy. He
> wants to know if he can take measurements off my KF-IV-1050.
>
> Is the series 5 fuselage different than the KF-IV?
>
>
> Thanks Clem
> Oklahoma
> KF-IV-1050,912. 13 years and still building.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: series 5 vs KFIV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Fox5flyer" <morid@northland.lib.mi.us>
Apples and oranges. The V is bigger.
Darrel
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
>
> A friend has located a wrecked series 5 fuselage he is going to buy. He
> wants to know if he can take measurements off my KF-IV-1050.
>
> Is the series 5 fuselage different than the KF-IV?
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| Subject: | Re: [off-topic] Terminology |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Hi Michel,
I have lived in many countries, and as a consequence,
I don't speak any language very well. :~)
I have always used the term "in the blind" for such
radio calls too. I think it is pretty universal, but
I think the use is a little more broad. We sometimes
do it here on the list, but call it "to the list"
instead. Not quite the same as CQ, but a general
advisory to anyone who may be listening. You do want
a response if something is going on that you need to
know about. You can also "call in the blind" when you
lose your reciever, but need to tell others what you
are doing until you land. So "in the blind" is OK,
IMHO.
We sometimes fly into airports with closed towers late
at night with UPS planes. We make calls on twr freq
"in the blind" just in case any other night owls or
vampires are flying about.
I looked at your pdf file. It is an interesting
combination of feet, meters and nautical miles.... I
suppose all are appropriate for Norway, but a little
more complex than one could wish for. If we could all
just agree on a standard, like meters...
I was wondering if it would be useful to put ctr
frequencies on your maps? Is "ctr" for center and do
you talk to them?
And maybe a small red broken circle next to the "no
fly" comment at the bottom of the page. It is easier
to know what the circles mean then. Oh, they are not
targets?
Here at UPS, when we have airports with difficult
obstacles, we add pictures taken on the approach or
departure routes so that pilots can see just what they
really look like and where the problems are when in
the right position.
That is the fussiest I can get. It all looks just
great. Oh, ah... "Klubb"? Ha ha
Kurt S. Back from Albuquerque and tired.
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Thank you, Roger. Having lived in three different
> countries and speaking four different languages
makes
> me sometimes say funny things. The latest in date
> became apparent when I chatted, off-list, with Jim.
> About radio communication, I wrote:
> "transmitting blind." Something Jim couldn't
> understand.
> It is a direct translation from what we say in
> Norwegian when we mean:
> transmitting without expecting an answer.
..............
> If any of you has the time to look at them and
> eventually come back with comments as how to improve
> them (use of symbols, etc) I would very much
> appreciate that. Here is the link to the PDF
> document:
>
> http://home.online.no/~michel/NVMK/collection.PDF
>
> I'd appreciate any comment. Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Plane talk - was kitfox crash |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
You are a romantic, but we'll forgive you if you do
the same. You can forget the marriage thing though.
I married my plane. Well, that is what my bank says.
My plane is like a young female horse to me. She is
just beginning to have a personality and I am a little
behind in getting to know her. She is spirited, but
sometimes you have to tap her on the gauge to get her
to work. She can be a little wobbly on the legs, but
she stands up for herself too.
She loves grass...
She is loyal, but she sometimes bites, especially if
you look at another plane, or leave her alone too
long.
You never want to speak badly of her until after the
flight. She can hear! Swearing at her doesn't make
it better either.
She likes shiny expensive things.
She will often be late, but she will get there. She
just wanders along the way smelling roses. No matter
how much gas you give her, she is only going to go so
fast...
Sometimes she gets up on the wrong side of the bed.
You're better off leaving her alone on those days and
doing something else. For no particular reason, she
will be better tomorrow.
Sometimes she just wants me to listen to her complain
in flight. She doesn't want me to fix it, just
listen. She will get better by herself.
She is touchy about mixture. Sometimes she shakes if
I get it too rich, but she recovers fast. If I get it
too lean, she doesn't say a word, but has a temper you
don't want to get on the bad side of.
In spite of being thin skinned, she hasn't acted cold
to me yet. I try to treat her like a lady, and she
has so far forgiven me when I don't. And I have been
hard on her by accident a few times too.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> I like the way you and Mike talk about our planes,
> Kurt. Call me a romantic
> idiot if you want, but I believe we can see our
> planes as a heap of metal and
> fabric, or as something much different. After all,
> we humans, are nothing but a
> heap of ... er, water, carbon, minerals and ...
> animal fat! :-) Yet, once put
> together in a special way, we become lovely persons
> with a soul and mind of our own.
> Our planes will only be what we make of them. And
> for my own sake, I'd rather
> fly with a friend I call by her name and I can
> trust, than just a heap. It
> doesn't change the laws of physic, but it sure makes
> me feel better.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> do not archive : Romantic rubbish! :-)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
You mentioned larger inlets and outlets. The Jabber
company sells their own planes too and it seems to me
they have small inlets and average size outlets. Does
your local Jabaru dealer have any input on how their
own plane engine cooling has been working? I thought
the cylinder scoop/seals had taken care of the
problem.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> Hello Kerry,
>
> Kerry Skyring wrote:
> > Something doesn't quite ring true with the round
> "bump" cowl and a flat four
> > like the 912 or Jabiru.
>
> Oh, I really like the look of my model 3, Kerry. And
> I could install a 912
> without changing the cowling. So, why do I choose a
> Jabiru? Probably because it
> is a simpler engine. In my mind, less is more. I
> wish to have a plane I can
> just fly without thinking much about the engine. I
> don't need high speed nor
> extreme STOL performance, only something that I, or
> my son, can fly without worrying.
> Maybe my choice is wrong. Maybe a 912 would be
> better. I have bought yet the
> Jabiru and I am all listening to the advices from
> the list.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Plane talk - was kitfox crash |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/18/04 1:24:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com writes:
>
> In spite of being thin skinned, she hasn't acted cold
> to me yet. I try to treat her like a lady, and she
> has so far forgiven me when I don't. And I have been
> hard on her by accident a few times too.
>
> Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
>
Kurt,
You're a poet..............
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Applying Gap Seal tape. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Fewings" <sfewings@tpg.com.au>
Hello
I have a question regarding the method used to apply the Gap Seal tape.
Say you want to do the elevator, do you apply the tape to both the underside
& the upper side or just one side. I assume you have to allow for the full
travel of the control surface when applying the tape.
Any alternate explanation would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards
Shane Fewings
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| Subject: | Applying Gap Seal tape. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Shane,
You only need to apply to the upper side. That way it looks best and does
not trap water in the folds.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Fewings
Subject: Kitfox-List: Applying Gap Seal tape.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Fewings" <sfewings@tpg.com.au>
Hello
I have a question regarding the method used to apply the Gap Seal tape.
Say you want to do the elevator, do you apply the tape to both the underside
& the upper side or just one side. I assume you have to allow for the full
travel of the control surface when applying the tape.
Any alternate explanation would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards
Shane Fewings
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| Subject: | Re: Applying Gap Seal tape. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Shane,
You only need to apply to the upper side. That way it looks best and does
not trap water in the folds.
Don Pearsall
Don P.
You say top side only. I've heard of the "S" method where two tapes are
overlapped by 1/2 where one sticks to the upper side (stabilizer) and the
other sticks to the lower side (elevator) as you pass it through the hinge
opening. This method always seemed to me that it would as you say, trap all kinds
of stuff.
If you run a straight piece of tape on the top only, do you apply it with
the elevator up/down or straight? Or, am I missing the one tape on top
method?
I'm in the process of doing all the speed mods and have put off doing the
gap sealing tape because I always felt there must be a better way and didn't
like the trap you mention.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Applying Gap Seal tape. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Hi Don,
I have seen the "S" method you have mentioned. It is typically done with
fabric. I instructed for a while in a Maule that had this, and I did not
like the looks of it. There was always dirt, mud and water down in the gap.
Glider flyers have a Teflon tape they use for gap sealing. I think the way
to apply it would be to move the elevator down to it's downward limit and
then apply it tight. That way when the elevator is level, there will be the
least amount of bulge in the tape from flexing.
BUT, others may have a better way and please feel free to chime in.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Applying Gap Seal tape.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
Shane,
You only need to apply to the upper side. That way it looks best and does
not trap water in the folds.
Don Pearsall
Don P.
You say top side only. I've heard of the "S" method where two tapes are
overlapped by 1/2 where one sticks to the upper side (stabilizer) and the
other sticks to the lower side (elevator) as you pass it through the hinge
opening. This method always seemed to me that it would as you say, trap
all kinds
of stuff.
If you run a straight piece of tape on the top only, do you apply it
with
the elevator up/down or straight? Or, am I missing the one tape on top
method?
I'm in the process of doing all the speed mods and have put off doing
the
gap sealing tape because I always felt there must be a better way and didn't
like the trap you mention.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Applying Gap Seal tape. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I would also either use a punch or razor to cut a small opening at each
hinge for moisture as well.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Applying Gap Seal tape.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Shane,
You only need to apply to the upper side. That way it looks best and does
not trap water in the folds.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Fewings
Subject: Kitfox-List: Applying Gap Seal tape.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Shane Fewings" <sfewings@tpg.com.au>
Hello
I have a question regarding the method used to apply the Gap Seal tape.
Say you want to do the elevator, do you apply the tape to both the underside
& the upper side or just one side. I assume you have to allow for the full
travel of the control surface when applying the tape.
Any alternate explanation would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Regards
Shane Fewings
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| Subject: | Re: 912UL Ignition Wiring |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Lyle,
I'll send you some pictures of the relocated ignition mount. Do Not
Archive.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Lyle Persels wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
>
>Based on years of list comments and recommendations as well as
>intermittent problems, I've decided to move my module/coil cluster and
>rewire the ignition system on my Kitfox IV/912. I have a few questions.
>
> My A&P recommends using a circular cannon plug-type connector for
>the trigger wiring. I suppose the other two wires (charging circuit and
>grounding/p-lead circuits could be included in this plug. I lean toward
>the molex or something similar to the factory-provided connectors. What
>are the thoughts or experiences of those who've done this?
>
> Has anyone experienced problems with the wiring between the
>electronic modules and the coils. Should these be replaced?
>
> Can anyone recommend a source for the insulated single pin/plug type
>connectors equivalent to those used on the oem installation?
>
>Finally (I think John King has done this), does anyone have pictures or
>tips for mounting the ignition components on the fixed (firewall side)
>of the engine mount?
>
>Lyle Persels
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Mizer vrs NavMan |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Andy" <fultz@trip.net>
Jim,
This post begs the questions of, what is the difference, what are the
"modifications", and what is the "danger" in using the NAVMAN? Inquiring
minds want to know.
Andy F.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Aircraft
Spruce
coot@yahoogroups.com; da2a@yahoogroups.com; Aircar@yahoogroups.com;
canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com; Corby_Starlet@yahoogroups.com;
navion_aircraft_mail@yahoogroups.com;
piper-cub-builders@yahoogroups.com;
quicksilverultralightowners@yahoogroups.com; RV10@yahoogroups.com;
subaruaircraft@yahoogroups.com; europa-list@matronics.com;
kitfox-list@matronics.com; kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Mizer vrs NavMan
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Aircraft Spruce <fun_plane@yahoo.com>
Builders,
Thanks for bringing the matter of Fuel Mizer vs.
NavMan fuel computers to our attention. We have
carried Fuel Mizer for a couple of years and had never
heard of NavMan. We asked the manufacturer of NavMan
about the difference in the units, and as you can see
from the following commentary there is definitely a
difference, only the Fuel Mizer is recommended for
Aviation use. Fuel Mizer has been thoroughly tested
in aviation applications and is certified for
CAO-95-45 aircraft in the Australia.
Best Regards,
Jim Irwin
President, Aircraft Spruce
----- Original Message -----
From: SlipStream Industries, Inc.
Subject: Questions Regarding Fuel Mizer
Dear Jim:
I am forwarding an email I received from Ole Jensen,
President of Boss Products, the manufacturer of the
Fuel Mizer under license from Navman. SlipStream is
Boss Product's North American distributor. In his
response to the questions posed yesterday, he
references certain modifications and approvals
received for use of this product in aviation. The
exact language found on the cover of the Installation
and Instruction manual is as follows:
This instrument has been modified to comply with
Australian Engineering order HEO-469 and certified for
CAO 95-25 type aircraft in Australia.
Please let me know if you have any questions, or
desire any further information.
Kindest regards,
Mike Puhl
SlipStream International
----- Original Message -----
From: Ole Jensen
Subject: Re: Mizer.
Dear Mike:
The question raised regarding the Navman fuel
flow meter and the Mizer is a common one that has been
around for many years and a lot of people have lost
money and endangered themselves by purchasing the
Navman for use in aviation. Nearly all the Navman
units purchased for this application have failed and
Navman refuses to replace them under warranty. Several
years ago we negotiated with Navman and paid a
licensing fee that enabled us to make the appropriate
modifications for use in aviation. In addition, the
Mizer has been registered with CASA (the equivalent to
your FAA) and certified by a qualified aeronautical
engineer. Boss Products paid to have the appropriate
modifications made for use in civil aviation, and
these modifications have been improved upon several
times since. As a result, the Mizer enjoys an
excellent reliability record and has been certified
according to CAO order no.HEO-469 as printed on the
cover of the installation manual.
Any one doubting the validity of our agreement
with Navman is free to contact the Vice President of
Navman in New Zealand, Mr. Mark Michell, and he will
verify these facts. Boss Products is the only company
in the world licensed to modify and distribute this
particular product. Unfortunately, some unscrupulous
marine dealers still offer the Navman for use in
unapproved applications despite the knowledge that the
manufacturer strictly prohibits this practice. Greed
and ignorance are usually the motivator. I can also
tell you that the price differences between the Navman
and Fuel Mizer are reasonably close, especially
considering the potential danger for misuse in a
non-approved aviation application. Further, I spoke
with Navman earlier today and was told that no one in
the U.S. is offering this unit for anywhere close to
US $99.00, and that the suggested retail price is US
$299.00, though they offer special MAP pricing from
time to time.
Hope this helps to clear up this issue. Please let me
know if I can be of further assistance in any way.
Regards,
Ole Jensen
President
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