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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Skystar website (Don Pearsall)
2. 01:54 AM - Re: Flaps - No Flaps (Michel Verheughe)
3. 01:58 AM - Re: Sideslip (Michel Verheughe)
4. 03:17 AM - Re: Skystar website (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
5. 04:44 AM - Re: Skystar website (Lynn Matteson)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Flaps - No Flaps (John Larsen)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: Skystar website (Don Pearsall)
8. 11:27 AM - Oil Tank Vent (George Wells)
9. 01:44 PM - Re: SV: Kitfox crash (Michael Gibbs)
10. 05:55 PM - Re: Flaps - No Flaps (Jerry Liles)
11. 06:05 PM - I had the impression that the sideslip technique was (Rex & Jan Shaw)
12. 06:45 PM - Re: I had the impression that the sideslip technique was (Mdkitfox@aol.com)
13. 06:48 PM - Tail wheel first. ??. (Randy Daughenbaugh)
14. 07:41 PM - Re: Oil Tank Vent (kurt schrader)
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
Yes, I see that it still has the "under construction" page. Not only that,
but the underlying pages (support.html, contact.html, etc) are missing. It
looks like they are wiping it clean for some reason. The old web site had
lots of info on it.
Hmmmm.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joel Mapes
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar website
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Joel Mapes" <FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com>
I've noticed that www.skystar.com is now displaying an "Under Construction"
page. Anyone know what's going on with skystar?
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps - No Flaps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Jerry Liles wrote:
> I've limited Tootie Mae to 10 deg flaps and routinely use it to shorten
> takeoff and landing roll.
So is mine, Jerry. Exactly 10 degrees. But I don't use it since I fly from a
very long asphalt runway where I usually not even a quarter of it. But flaps do
add lift. One simply has to fly slow, pull the lever (flaperons down) then push
it again. Oops, it feels like you lost a small part of your wing, the lift is
reduced and you fall a bit.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Torgeir Mortensen wrote:
> Hmm. Well, here is a link about fwd. vs. side slip, I'll think this one
> is better than my slow explanation.. :)
> http://www.whittsflying.com/Page3.25Skids%20or%20Slips.htm
Nice web page, Torgeir, thanks!
I'll read it, practice, and let you know.
Right now, I am on my way to a few days at my boss' cabin in Hardangervidda for
a business brainstorming with some customers. If it was winter, I could have
gone with my Kitfox on skis.
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar website |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/25/04 11:48:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com writes:
> I've noticed that www.skystar.com is now displaying an "Under Construction"
> page. Anyone know what's going on with skystar?
>
>
I talked with the new SS president a few weeks ago. Their web site still
had Ed Downs as in charge of Sport Planes (even though he had already left
SS). The new pres told me they were planning on revamping their site to correct
the Ed Downs thing and other things.
Maybe that 's all this means????
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Skystar website |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Whatever is going on with them, my order from them (three weeks ago)
had not arrived, and when I called to check on it, Frank Miller
answered the phone...what's up when the President (?) is answering the
parts order line? The order had not gone out yet, I deleted an item
that they didn't have in stock, and it STILL hasn't arrived, a week
later.
As an aside, I called a local company, and they had my Hysol 9460 here
in less than 24 hours.
When I placed the original order, the young lady on the phone told me
that their IPS had "gone bad" and they were having computer problems.
Lynn
On Sunday, September 26, 2004, at 06:16 AM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/25/04 11:48:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>> I've noticed that www.skystar.com is now displaying an "Under
>> Construction"
>> page. Anyone know what's going on with skystar?
>>
>>
>
> I talked with the new SS president a few weeks ago. Their web
> site still
> had Ed Downs as in charge of Sport Planes (even though he had already
> left
> SS). The new pres told me they were planning on revamping their site
> to correct
> the Ed Downs thing and other things.
> Maybe that 's all this means????
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps - No Flaps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
After a many year and many Avid-Kfox flights I now use full flaperons on
final which gives a much slower touchdown speed and then shove the
handle forward when the mains touch. This plants the tail and keeps the
plane from vacillating between float and touchdown. I use it on my
Airdale, and found it works well with the Series 4-7 Foxes I have flown.
Works very well with nose heavy conditions. Full flaperons will give you
some adverse yaw problems with the Avids and Series 1-3 Foxes.
Jerry Liles wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>
>I've limited Tootie Mae to 10 deg flaps and routinely use it to shorten
>takeoff and landing roll. That gives a useful increase in lift and
>decreases stall speed a bit without getting into the poor control
>response area. It doesn't, however, add a whole lot of additional
>drag. Foxes and Avids tend to begin to lose aileron effectiveness at
>low speeds with more deployment and there can be a problem with control
>with excess deployment, especially beyond 15deg . 10 degrees works for
>me and I use it all the time. If I need to get down in a hurry a side
>slip can't be beat, and it's a lot more fun than just jerking on a
>handle. Many pilots don't or won't use flaps because of the control
>issue, but I bet they would if they just limited deployment.
>Jerry Liles
>
>Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
>>
>>Hi George,
>>
>>I don't use flaps at all. I have them tied off with a Nylon tiewrap. I
>>believe others do use them, so you might get some input from them. I use
>>slips to lose altitude when necessary.
>>
>>Lowell
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "George Wells" <georgewells@adelphia.net>
>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flaps - No Flaps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells"
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>><georgewells@adelphia.net>
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>>>Can I get some opinions on both Flap and No Flap use during landings and
>>>take offs for a model 4.
>>>Thanks,
>>>George
>>>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@comcast.net>
It is a bit unprofessional for a business to have a website with no
information and no explanation of why it is down.
The proper way to change things would be to leave the old site up while you
develop the new one, then make the changes all at once, so that no one
encounters any down time. Sometimes I wonder about Skystar...
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar website
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Whatever is going on with them, my order from them (three weeks ago)
had not arrived, and when I called to check on it, Frank Miller
answered the phone...what's up when the President (?) is answering the
parts order line? The order had not gone out yet, I deleted an item
that they didn't have in stock, and it STILL hasn't arrived, a week
later.
As an aside, I called a local company, and they had my Hysol 9460 here
in less than 24 hours.
When I placed the original order, the young lady on the phone told me
that their IPS had "gone bad" and they were having computer problems.
Lynn
On Sunday, September 26, 2004, at 06:16 AM, AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/25/04 11:48:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> FoxFloatFlyer@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
>> I've noticed that www.skystar.com is now displaying an "Under
>> Construction"
>> page. Anyone know what's going on with skystar?
>>
>>
>
> I talked with the new SS president a few weeks ago. Their web
> site still
> had Ed Downs as in charge of Sport Planes (even though he had already
> left
> SS). The new pres told me they were planning on revamping their site
> to correct
> the Ed Downs thing and other things.
> Maybe that 's all this means????
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "George Wells" <georgewells@adelphia.net>
The oil tank vent on my 912 in my Model 4 is routed from the tank down the
firewall and thru the fuselage too the tail like a pitts. This way is great
for clean undersides but with colder weather coming I can not route it thru
the fuselage since any moisture in there could freeze. My question is does
anyone see a problem routing the vent line to a small bottle attached to the
firewall or some other similar place that would be emptied as required ?
Thanks -- George
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox crash |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs@cox.net>
Michel says,
>...he also says that, in case of crash landing, he would first
>inflate (pull the rope) his jacket, hoping it would work like an
>airbag. What do you think? If you had one and time to inflate it,
>would it have helped?
I really don't know, Michel, perhaps. In your friend's case, though,
where he is over water, I'd be worried that the vest would get
punctured in the landing and would not help him stay afloat
afterwards.
Maybe I should have put automobile-style airbags in my 'fox. :-)
Mike G.
N728KF
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps - No Flaps |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
John,
What is the deployment limit for the Airdale?
John Larsen wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John Larsen <jopatco@mindspring.com>
>
>After a many year and many Avid-Kfox flights I now use full flaperons on
>final which gives a much slower touchdown speed and then shove the
>handle forward when the mains touch. This plants the tail and keeps the
>plane from vacillating between float and touchdown. I use it on my
>Airdale, and found it works well with the Series 4-7 Foxes I have flown.
>Works very well with nose heavy conditions. Full flaperons will give you
>some adverse yaw problems with the Avids and Series 1-3 Foxes.
>
>Jerry Liles wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
>>
>>I've limited Tootie Mae to 10 deg flaps and routinely use it to shorten
>>takeoff and landing roll. That gives a useful increase in lift and
>>decreases stall speed a bit without getting into the poor control
>>response area. It doesn't, however, add a whole lot of additional
>>drag. Foxes and Avids tend to begin to lose aileron effectiveness at
>>low speeds with more deployment and there can be a problem with control
>>with excess deployment, especially beyond 15deg . 10 degrees works for
>>me and I use it all the time. If I need to get down in a hurry a side
>>slip can't be beat, and it's a lot more fun than just jerking on a
>>handle. Many pilots don't or won't use flaps because of the control
>>issue, but I bet they would if they just limited deployment.
>>Jerry Liles
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | I had the impression that the sideslip technique was |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
I had the impression that the sideslip technique was
to press the pedal in one direction and bank in the other, and keep a
straight
heading by adjusting the angle of bank.
Hey ! I'm no expert but my instructor told and showed me to bank then keep
the plane aligned with the strip with the rudder.
Perhaps this will make a difference. Whatever way I find it feels decidedly
arkward. Still we need to be able to do it comfortably in the end.
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Re: I had the impression that the sideslip technique was |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mdkitfox@aol.com
Rex,
You learned the technique called a forward slip. That is, banking the
aircraft and applying opposite rudder to keep the aircraft pointed straight ahead,
for instance lined up on the centerline of the runway. Another technique is to
bank the aircraft and apply opposite rudder, but allow the aircraft to slip
sideways (thus a side slip). Both techniques work fine. Ultimately though, if
slipping to a landing the nose will have to be pointed straight down the
runway. I have found that when teaching how to slip, both should be taught.
Depending on the wind and available rudder authority, the side slip may get you
a
higher rate of descent. While there may be more discussion of technique and
application, that's the short version. My experience has been that both are
actually fun to do and provide the opportunity for the pilot to exercise a lot
of precision control on the trajectory of the aircraft using aerodynamics
instead of going for a ride with the airplane.
Just my two cents.
Rick Weiss, Series V Speedster. still building.
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| Subject: | Tail wheel first. ??. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
"I did notice more elevator authority after gap sealing. Now I can land with
the tailwheel first, if I want.
Cheers,
Michel"
Michel (and others),
It would seem to me to be desirable to plant the tail wheel first. This
would then drop the angle of attack on the wing and presumably make the
plane quit flying. ??
Of course there would be some bounce depending upon how high the mains are
when the tail hits, but probably not too bad.
Any expert comments?
Randy (N10NH is ready. The pilot is not. Darn feet aren't acting
automatically.)
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Tank Vent |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Different engine, but I routed my vent to a 1 qt
breather I bought from the Summit cataloge. Works
well and no mess. You can of course use a smaller
bottle, but the idea works. Others here taught it to
me.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- George Wells <georgewells@adelphia.net> wrote:
> My question is does anyone see a problem routing the
> vent line to a small bottle attached to the
> firewall or some other similar place that would be
> emptied as required ?
> Thanks -- George
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