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1. 12:09 AM - SV: Tail wheel first. ??. (Michel Verheughe)
2. 05:26 AM - 582 maintenance (John Estabrook)
3. 05:56 AM - SV: 582 maintenance (Michel Verheughe)
4. 06:07 AM - Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank (pliedl@earthlink.net)
5. 07:28 AM - Re: SV: Tail wheel first. ??. (kurt schrader)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: SV: SportPilot/Gross Weight Issue (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
7. 08:53 AM - Model !V-1200 with 912LS converted to 912ULS (Clint Bazzill)
8. 09:06 AM - Re: 912ul vs 912s in a Model IV (Clint Bazzill)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: More on the Jabiru (Mike Chaney)
10. 09:20 AM - Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (Harris, Robert)
11. 10:52 AM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (RICHARD HUTSON)
12. 11:48 AM - is Mode C controlled Airspace?Re: Is Mode C (Harris, Robert)
13. 12:12 PM - Recreational WAS: SportPilot (Michel Verheughe)
14. 12:15 PM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (scottm)
15. 12:37 PM - Re: Recreational WAS: SportPilot (Harris, Robert)
16. 12:40 PM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (Harris, Robert)
17. 12:56 PM - Mode C & sport pilots (Harris, Robert)
18. 01:04 PM - Re: SV: Tail wheel first. ??. (Michel Verheughe)
19. 01:17 PM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (W Duke)
20. 01:29 PM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (Michel Verheughe)
21. 01:36 PM - Re: 582 maintenance (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
22. 01:45 PM - Re: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
23. 02:12 PM - Re: 912ul vs 912s in a Model IV (Clint Bazzill)
24. 02:29 PM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (Harris, Robert)
25. 02:37 PM - Off Kitfox list (Michel Verheughe)
26. 02:42 PM - [Off-topic] Ooops! (Michel Verheughe)
27. 02:49 PM - Re: SV: Tail wheel first. ??. (John Oakley)
28. 03:29 PM - Re: Off Kitfox list (AlbertaIV@aol.com)
29. 04:27 PM - Re: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank (Rick)
30. 04:49 PM - Does anyone on the list have a pair of original wheels and the Chen-Shin slick (Rex & Jan Shaw)
31. 05:02 PM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (Steve Zakreski)
32. 05:04 PM - Re: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank (John King)
33. 05:19 PM - Re: is Mode C controlled Airspace?Re: Is Mode C controll (Jerry Liles)
34. 05:23 PM - Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? (John King)
35. 05:56 PM - Re: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank (Lowell Fitt)
36. 05:59 PM - Bose Headsets (Jimmie Blackwell)
37. 06:02 PM - Re: Does anyone on the list have a pair of original wheels and the Chen-Shin slick (Flier)
38. 08:00 PM - 912S Shut down. (Randy Daughenbaugh)
39. 08:27 PM - Re: 912S Shut down. (KITFOXPILOT@att.net)
40. 08:40 PM - gross weight - sport pilot (gary borrmann)
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| Subject: | Tail wheel first. ??. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker" <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
> I hope you tailwheel spring is not bending Michel. A friend of mine just
> rode a homebuilt into the ground because of the tailspring bending into the
> rudder and locking it to one side. Please check it for me so I don't worry
> about you.
Thank you for your concern, Jim but checking the angle of the Maule axis with the
ground is part of my pre-flight. The tailspring is not bended permanently.
It must have gone quite far at one occasion, though. It could have been when my
son flew with the instructor, both being corpulent persons. Or it could have
been when taxiing and the tailwheel hit a stone or something like that. In any
case, I have no memory of feeling my rudder locked, even for a short moment,
when landing.
I have a second tailspring leaf that I will install when I have the Jabiru in place.
Right now, I am slightly tail heavy and I don't want to add weight at that
end of the plane.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Estabrook" <johne@peak.org>
I am looking into buying a Kitfox 1200-IV semi-finished kit with a 582.
I've been looking into maintenance of the 582 and found two fairly different
methods.
CPS (I think) advises a number of service points, notably a 150hr inspect
and 300hr rebuild sent to them. I'm reasonably confident I could do/learn
the 150hr, the 300hr sounds best left to them. I understand it isn't too
hard to get over your head with rotax maintenance - adjustment.
One owner of a 582 does basic oil/lube/plug replacement but doesn't do
rebuilds or 150hr seal-replacement. Replaced first engine after 850hrs.
Seems the CPS way is just a little more expensive than the second method.
Hoping some owners might share their engine maintenance schemes with me.
E-mail direct if you'd rather not have public scrutiny.
Thanks,
John
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> From: John Estabrook [johne@peak.org]
> One owner of a 582 does basic oil/lube/plug replacement but doesn't do
> rebuilds or 150hr seal-replacement. Replaced first engine after 850hrs.
I bought a second hand model 3 with a 582 with 170 hours, John. Then I was told
I couldn't fly the plane because the 150 hours service wasn't done. I had never
opened an aircraft engine before in my life and knowing that my life could
depend on it, I got someone to do it in my presence. We opened the cylinders,
de-cocks them and measured how round they were. My experienced companion gave
the engine a clear bill of health we we rebuit it.
Now I have 270 hours on that engine and I opened it alone at 200 and 250 hours.
Some say it is not necessary. I say: It's my ass in that plane, thank you very
much! :-)
Anyway, I find the procedure easy and if you have some previous mechanical experience,
it shouldn't be too difficult.
It is however my understanding that while rumours say that the 582 TBO will come
to 450 hours, it is still 300 and at that time, you need to change the crankshaft,
which is costly and should be done by an experienced workshop.
Otherwise, it is, in my short experience, a great engine.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "pliedl@earthlink.net" <pliedl@earthlink.net>
Hello All:
> I'm not a very frequent contributor to the list anymore but I've got a problem
and here I am asking for help. I discovered wrinkles in the fabric covering
over one of my fuel tanks when I was refueling after a recent flight and it was
apparent that there was a large area no longer bonded. About 15 minutes later
the wrinkles were gone and the fabric looked normal.
>
> Apparently the bond between the fuel tank and the fabric (polybrush) has failed
and the fabric has been ballooning during flight. I would like to fix this
before the paint (aerothane) begins to crack. I seem to remember discussions on
how to do that but I cannot find anything in the archives. I don't know if Matronics
has the "old" kitfox archives but I have searched Matronics without any
luck.
>
> If anyone has successfully "rebonded" their fabric cover to the fuel tank or
has any suggestions on how to do it, I would sure appreciate the information.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Liedl
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel first. ??. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220@yahoo.com>
Michel,
One other thing to add to what Jim said. Remember
that it is the rudder hinges that eventually stop the
tailwheel from coming up further when the tailwheel
hits the rudder. I forgot if you have the end
fittings, or the tube hinges. With our recent
discussion about end fittings failing on the rudder,
if you have those, make sure to inspect those closely
at least once too. No cracks or bends.
Kurt S. S-5/NSI turbo
--- Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no> wrote:
> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "jimshumaker"
> > I hope you tailwheel spring is not bending Michel.
> > A friend of mine just rode a homebuilt into the
> > ground because of the tailspring bending into the
> > rudder and locking it to one side. Please check
> > it for me so I don't worry about you.
>
> Thank you for your concern, Jim but checking the
> angle of the Maule axis with the ground is part of
> my pre-flight. The tailspring is not bended
> permanently. It must have gone quite far at one
> occasion, though. It could have been when my son
> flew with the instructor, both being corpulent
> persons. Or it could have been when taxiing and the
> tailwheel hit a stone or something like that. In any
> case, I have no memory of feeling my rudder locked,
> even for a short moment, when landing.
> I have a second tailspring leaf that I will install
> when I have the Jabiru in place. Right now, I am
> slightly tail heavy and I don't want to add weight
> at that end of the plane.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
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| Subject: | Re: SportPilot/Gross Weight Issue |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting fight
in controlled airspace.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> > From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> > The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the sport
> > pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license in
> > the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
> > that answer the question?
>
> Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work, but
I
> am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly in
> controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book is
a
> few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting fight
in controlled airspace.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO>
From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the sport
pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license in
the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
that answer the question?
Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work, but
I
am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly in
controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book is
a
few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
Cheers,
Michel
>
;
atronics.com/digest/kitfox-list
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| Subject: | Model !V-1200 with 912LS converted to 912ULS |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
If anyone wants info on converting from 912 to 912S call me. I have no problems
with starting shake or shut down. You can call me an I will give you lots of
Info. Clint at Half Moon Bay, Calif 912ULS in Model IV
(650) 712-1802
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| Subject: | Re: 912ul vs 912s in a Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
I have 650 hours on a 912ULS on a model IV. Did have 350 on 912UL. I have start
up and shut down procedures that do not cause engine shake.
Have a 10 Knot faster cruise and am using almost the same fuel burn.
On my trip to Florida Sun Fun 2 years ago I did log 70 hours with a fuel burn
of 4.4 gal/hr (225) gal. Do not use full throttle and 5500 rpm's as I did on my
912UL. Use 5000 at altitude with throttle pulled back about 1 inch.
I file my flight plans with the 912 UlS for 100 KTS and its real close. On my 912UL
I used to file 90 Kts very close.
At altitudes below 5000 feet use 23 inchs mp and 5000 rpm's. You can do this by
using a 9.75 in flight adjustable IVO prop. Call me for more info. Clint (650)
712-1802
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| Subject: | More on the Jabiru |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@SWOCA.NET>
Jose
Sorry for the late reply but I wanted to check the numbers before I replied.
My model IV with the Jabiru 2200 weighs in at 623 pounds. My CG was
improved from when I had the Rotax 582. I was a bit tail heavy before. Now
it seems to be much better.
From my calculations my Most Forward CG is 11.99 and my Most Aft CG is
14.38. For all of the number crunchers this may not be sufficient
information but the formulas that I used placed me within acceptable limits.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: More on the Jabiru
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
Mike:
What is the difference in the plane's empty weight and the CG?
Jose
Mike Chaney <mdps_mc@swoca.net> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney
Jose
I have a model IV with the long wings. I had a 582 in my plane first and I
was a bit tail heavy. I had to add 5.5 pounds of lead shot up front to make
my weight and balance better. With the Jabiru my W&B is much better. I
really like the engine. I don't have anything bad to say about the 582. I
just became tired of the 582 running hotter than I liked(especially after
about 200 hours)and with the water cooled engine I often had the rotary
valve oil and the coolant mixing through the rotary valve seal.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jose M. Toro
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: More on the Jabiru
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
Mike:
What model is you Kitfox? What kind of wings it has? What is your opinion
after switching engines?
Jose
Mike Chaney wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Mike Chaney
My cruse increased from the mid 80's mph to the low 90's when I switched
from a 582 to the Jabiru 2200.
Mike Chaney
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Liles
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: More on the Jabiru
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles
Jose,
I think you'll get plenty of speed without major modifications to your
airplane. Just a few simple fairings at the wing and fuselage attach
points for the landing gear and lift struts will help, as will wheel
pants but even that is probably not a necessity. Raking the windshield
is a lot of work and I don't believe at all needed. There are too many
Mod IIs flying perfectly satisfactoraly without major surgery for me to
believe it is necessary. Also remember all modifications tend to add
weight and Weight is the enemy!
My 2 cents.
Jerry Liles
Jose M. Toro wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jose M. Toro"
>
>Jerry:
>
>It looks like, if I want to try the Jabiru, I will need to "byte the
bullet". If I don't get an appropriate speed with the Jabiru and the
current configuration, I will need to do some modifications to reduce drag.
The major of the modification could be to use short, speedster wings.
Another suggestion I received was to increase the slant of the windshield,
like in the Kitfox IV. I could also use wheelpants.
>
>Jose
>
>Jerry Liles wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles
>
>Jose, then I suspect you should do just fine with a Jabiru 2200.
>
>Jerry Liles
>
>Jose M. Toro wrote:
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582
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| Subject: | Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Are Mode C areas considered controlled Airspace?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: SportPilot/Gross Weight Issue
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
fight in controlled airspace.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> > From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> > The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the
sport
> > pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license
in
> > the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
> > that answer the question?
>
> Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
but I
> am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly
in
> controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book
is a
> few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
fight in controlled airspace.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO>
From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the sport
pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license in
the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
that answer the question?
Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
but I
am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly in
controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book
is a
few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
Cheers,
Michel
>
;
atronics.com/digest/kitfox-list
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| Subject: | Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON" <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
I think Mode C is a transponder type.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Are Mode C areas considered controlled Airspace?
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kerrjohna@comcast.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: SportPilot/Gross Weight Issue
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
> fight in controlled airspace.
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>>
>> > From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
>> > The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the
> sport
>> > pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license
> in
>> > the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
>> > that answer the question?
>>
>> Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
> but I
>> am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly
> in
>> controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the
>> book
> is a
>> few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
> fight in controlled airspace.
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO>
>
> From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the sport
> pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license in
> the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
> that answer the question?
>
> Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
> but I
> am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly
> in
>
> controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book
> is a
> few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> >
> ;
> atronics.com/digest/kitfox-list
>
>
>
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controll ed Airspace?
controll ed Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
You are correct. Large airports require you to have one when flying within
30 miles of the airport. Is that controlled airspace?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD HUTSON
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON"
<rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
I think Mode C is a transponder type.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
> <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
> Are Mode C areas considered controlled Airspace?
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kerrjohna@comcast.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: SportPilot/Gross Weight Issue
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>
> I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
> fight in controlled airspace.
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>>
>> > From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
>> > The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the
> sport
>> > pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license
> in
>> > the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
>> > that answer the question?
>>
>> Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
> but I
>> am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly
> in
>> controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the
>> book
> is a
>> few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
> fight in controlled airspace.
> John Kerr
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <MICHEL@ONLINE.NO>
>
> From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the sport
> pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license in
> the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
> that answer the question?
>
> Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
> but I
> am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly
> in
>
> controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book
> is a
> few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
> >
> ;
> atronics.com/digest/kitfox-list
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Recreational WAS: SportPilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting fight
> in controlled airspace.
Ah, now I have the book in front of me and I read:
<QUOTE>
FAR 61.101 Recreational pilot privileges and limitations.
...
(d) Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this section, a recreational pilot
may not act as pilot in command of an aircraft:
...
(7) In airspace in which communication with air traffic control is required;
<END QUOTE>
Note that paragraph (h) doesn't make any reference to ATC or airspace.
This is quoted from Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook from Aug 1, 1998.
Robert, over here, Mode C (charlie) transponder is required in certain
airspaces. Since yours and ours are slightly different (we don't have B) I
can't answer for the US but here, yes: Mode Charlie is required in all
controlled airspace because they'd like to see your altitude on their radar and
separate you from other traffic and we thank them for that.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scottm" <scottm@dol.net>
I believe Mode C is the altitude reporting type. In other
words, a mode c transponder equiped aircraft reports to air
traffic control not only its position data but also its
altitude.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON"
> <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
> I think Mode C is a transponder type.
>
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| Subject: | Recreational WAS: SportPilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Okay, Thanks Michel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Recreational WAS: SportPilot
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
> I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
fight
> in controlled airspace.
Ah, now I have the book in front of me and I read:
<QUOTE>
FAR 61.101 Recreational pilot privileges and limitations.
...
(d) Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this section, a recreational
pilot
may not act as pilot in command of an aircraft:
...
(7) In airspace in which communication with air traffic control is required;
<END QUOTE>
Note that paragraph (h) doesn't make any reference to ATC or airspace.
This is quoted from Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook from Aug 1, 1998.
Robert, over here, Mode C (charlie) transponder is required in certain
airspaces. Since yours and ours are slightly different (we don't have B) I
can't answer for the US but here, yes: Mode Charlie is required in all
controlled airspace because they'd like to see your altitude on their radar
and
separate you from other traffic and we thank them for that.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Would that be considered controlled airspace then?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scottm" <scottm@dol.net>
I believe Mode C is the altitude reporting type. In other
words, a mode c transponder equiped aircraft reports to air
traffic control not only its position data but also its
altitude.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON"
> <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
> I think Mode C is a transponder type.
>
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| Subject: | Mode C & sport pilots |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Can a sport pilot fly in Mode C airspace without an endorsement?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "scottm" <scottm@dol.net>
I believe Mode C is the altitude reporting type. In other
words, a mode c transponder equiped aircraft reports to air
traffic control not only its position data but also its
altitude.
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON"
> <rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
> I think Mode C is a transponder type.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel first. ??. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> I forgot if you have the end fittings, or the tube hinges.
I understand that I have the old tube hinges from our previous discussion,
Kurt, and that they are less prone to failure. I don't think they could be
damaged by the shock because the only thing I can see on the bottom of the
rudder is a bit of the fabric that has been torn off. If the shock was greater,
I think it would have at least made a bump in the Maule grease cup, before it
could fracture a hinge. In any case, feeling all hinges is part of my
pre-flight. As I told my son, feeling your plane is as important as looking.
Often the finger can find something abnormal that the eye hardly sees. Then
again, it is pleasant to caress your old lady, isn't it? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: W Duke <n981ms@yahoo.com>
Mode C is required in certain areas and used in many other areas.
FAR 91.215 Transponder Requirements
--Any airborne aircraft with a transponder is required to have it on. Mode C, if
available, must be used.
--VFR use requires that Mode C be on when within 30 nautical miles of the primary
airport of Class B airspace. See Sectional.
--Mode C is required in Class B airspace, and positive control areas (above 18,000'),
--Mode C is required in Class C airspace and above the lateral limits of the Class
C airspace to 10,000'.
--Mode C is required above 12,500', below a positive control area (Classes B and
C) if over 2,500' above ground level.
--Mode C is also required within 10 nm or airports at Billings, Montana, and Fargo,
North Dakota. (Trivia question)
I got this off some nondescript web site.
Maxwell
"Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com> wrote:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
Are Mode C areas considered controlled Airspace?
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kerrjohna@comcast.net
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: SportPilot/Gross Weight Issue
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
fight in controlled airspace.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
>
> > From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
> > The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the
sport
> > pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license
in
> > the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
> > that answer the question?
>
> Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
but I
> am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly
in
> controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book
is a
> few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
fight in controlled airspace.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe
From: jimshumaker [jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net]
The use of the radio is not denied to the recreational pilot or the sport
pilot. Pilots are no longer required to have a radio operators license in
the US. Therefore no mention is made of the license in the rules. Does
that answer the question?
Er, ... thanks Jim but ... I don't have Rod Machado's book here, at work,
but I
am pretty sure I remember reading that the recreational pilot cannot fly in
controlled airspace, even if he has a radio operator license. But the book
is a
few years old and this may have been changed. I don't know.
Cheers,
Michel
>
;
atronics.com/digest/kitfox-list
Maxwell Duke
S6/IO240/Phase II Flight Testing
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| Subject: | Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> Would that be considered controlled airspace then?
Reading again in Rod Machero's (that's your side of the big pond, Robert! :-) I
read in FAR 91.215 that:
Mode C is required in class A, B and C airspace and in all airspace within 30
NM if certain airports listed in appendix D.
This would be the same as in Norway, except that we also need mode C
transponder in airspace class D, around airports with operated tower. I
understand that in the US, only a two-ways radio is needed in class D.
But I think you are mistaking one fact: charts will never show you "mode C"
airspace, only the class. It is from there you know if you can fly in it with
or without a transponder.
As an example, I fly from a small airfield that is within the class D airspace
of a nearby airport. I can't take-off without calling them and getting a squawk
code I enter my transponder and the QNH. The latter is to make sure that we are
both on the same altitude reference. Whenever I leave the zone, I keep the
transponder on with the same squawk code because above me, there is a larger
class C airspace and the radars are still seeing me and I know that from the
light diode that blinks on my transponder each time it gets the radar beam.
If I stay under that airspace, I don't talk to the guys but I know they see me
and I feel safer. If I fly further, in uncontrolled class G airspace, I still
keep my transponder on. If I come back shortly after (within one hour) I will
still have the same squawk code but the tower will give me again the QNH as
pressure may vary. If I land and come back much later, I squawk 7000 (VFR)
until I am asked to recycle to something else. Sometimes I am not even asked to
do that.
This was an example from Norway, Robert. Before flying, check your own region.
I have a friend who recently flew his Cirrus from North Caroline to Washington
and he says that since 9/11, flying around Washington is hell. Regulations
change and it is our responsibility to get acquainted with them before starting
any journey.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: 582 maintenance |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
John,
Just my 2 cents. See below
CPS (I think) advises a number of service points, notably a 150hr inspect
> and 300hr rebuild sent to them. I'm reasonably confident I could do/learn
> the 150hr, the 300hr sounds best left to them. I understand it isn't too
> hard to get over your head with rotax maintenance - adjustment.
I bought my 582 used with about 200 hours on it. It had the 150 hour
inspection done by Lockwood. At 300 hours, I had it completely overhauled for
a
totally unrelated problem. At 300 hours, the engine did not show any wear and
the rings were fine with no build up of coke. In other words, I wasn't even
close to needing an overhaul.
The maintenance is nothing....You may have to change the jetting twice a
year or so but that only takes an hour or two. Other than changing plugs
every now and then, I can't think of much more maintenance than any other engine
that is well maintained.
> One owner of a 582 does basic oil/lube/plug replacement but doesn't do
> rebuilds or 150hr seal-replacement. Replaced first engine after 850hrs.
>
This might be a reckless statement but I can see a 582 doing just that. I
would be curious as to what happened to cause the replacement at 850 hours. Was
it a replacement or overhaul?
I personally think, your mind set has to be different on how you operate a
two stroke and that will make a big difference on how long it last. Maybe more
important than tearing it down every so often.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/30/04 6:08:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
pliedl@earthlink.net writes:
> my fuel tanks when I was refueling after a recent flight and it was
> apparent that there was a large area no longer bonded. About 15 minutes later
the
> wrinkles were gone and the fabric looked normal.
> >
>
Paul,
When you find a good answer, let me know. When I was covering, Poly
Fiber told me to put on lots of Poly Brush on the wing tank tops to help adhesion.
I did and all is well. However, I installed flush mounted filler caps that
ended up slightly raised from the tank top. The wind going over this little
raised area is causing my fabric to bubble up just around the filler caps.
I thought of using a long hypodermic needle and inject a mixture of Poly
Tack/MEK under the fabric around this area. Rub/roll it out quickly. This
might work for a small area but not sure the best method for a large area.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: 912ul vs 912s in a Model IV |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill" <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
I ment to say 9.75 lb inflight adjustable Ivoprop. Clint
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| Subject: | Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Michel,
I really appreciate you for looking this up. I've been in areas with heavy
traffic that did not require the mode C but sure wish I had one. It scares
me when I see the big steel jets flying below me and I'm not squaking.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> Would that be considered controlled airspace then?
Reading again in Rod Machero's (that's your side of the big pond, Robert!
:-) I
read in FAR 91.215 that:
Mode C is required in class A, B and C airspace and in all airspace within
30
NM if certain airports listed in appendix D.
This would be the same as in Norway, except that we also need mode C
transponder in airspace class D, around airports with operated tower. I
understand that in the US, only a two-ways radio is needed in class D.
But I think you are mistaking one fact: charts will never show you "mode C"
airspace, only the class. It is from there you know if you can fly in it
with
or without a transponder.
As an example, I fly from a small airfield that is within the class D
airspace
of a nearby airport. I can't take-off without calling them and getting a
squawk
code I enter my transponder and the QNH. The latter is to make sure that we
are
both on the same altitude reference. Whenever I leave the zone, I keep the
transponder on with the same squawk code because above me, there is a larger
class C airspace and the radars are still seeing me and I know that from the
light diode that blinks on my transponder each time it gets the radar beam.
If I stay under that airspace, I don't talk to the guys but I know they see
me
and I feel safer. If I fly further, in uncontrolled class G airspace, I
still
keep my transponder on. If I come back shortly after (within one hour) I
will
still have the same squawk code but the tower will give me again the QNH as
pressure may vary. If I land and come back much later, I squawk 7000 (VFR)
until I am asked to recycle to something else. Sometimes I am not even asked
to
do that.
This was an example from Norway, Robert. Before flying, check your own
region.
I have a friend who recently flew his Cirrus from North Caroline to
Washington
and he says that since 9/11, flying around Washington is hell. Regulations
change and it is our responsibility to get acquainted with them before
starting
any journey.
Cheers,
Michel
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
AlbertaIV@aol.com wrote:
> I thought of using a long hypodermic needle and inject a mixture of Poly
> Tack/MEK under the fabric around this area. Rub/roll it out quickly. This
> might work for a small area but not sure the best method for a large area.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
Hello Don,
Just a word off-list. I notice that you nearly always add the DO NOT ARCHIVE.
But your advice to Paul is excellent and I am sure this kind of info is
definitively something that should be archived.
I just wanted to let you know.
Have a nice day, friend!
Michel
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| Subject: | [Off-topic] Ooops! |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
I just wrote to Don with a title "Off Kitfox list."
... then I sent it to the list! I am an idiot! :-)
Michel
Do not archive (Please do NOT archive this one!!!!!!! :-)
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| Subject: | Tail wheel first. ??. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "John Oakley" <joakley@ida.net>
Hi Kids,
In the years of flying my fox(S) I have seen many fox with damage to the
rudder
from the tail wheel. Usually a single spring system.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel first. ??.
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
kurt schrader wrote:
> I forgot if you have the end fittings, or the tube hinges.
I understand that I have the old tube hinges from our previous discussion,
Kurt, and that they are less prone to failure. I don't think they could be
damaged by the shock because the only thing I can see on the bottom of the
rudder is a bit of the fabric that has been torn off. If the shock was
greater,
I think it would have at least made a bump in the Maule grease cup, before
it
could fracture a hinge. In any case, feeling all hinges is part of my
pre-flight. As I told my son, feeling your plane is as important as looking.
Often the finger can find something abnormal that the eye hardly sees. Then
again, it is pleasant to caress your old lady, isn't it? :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Off Kitfox list |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/30/04 2:38:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, michel@online.no
writes:
> Hello Don,
> Just a word off-list. I notice that you nearly always add the DO NOT
> ARCHIVE.
> But your advice to Paul is excellent and I am sure this kind of info is
> definitively something that should be archived.
> I just wanted to let you know.
>
> Have a nice day, friend!
>
> Michel
>
Michel,
I have my computer set up to say "DO NOT ARCHIVE" on all transmissions. I
think it saves on the big memory in the sky.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
I think the problem you may experience once painted is the lifting or
bubbling of the paint. I had that happen to an area near a patch job. I know
when its extremely cold the area on top of the fuel tanks is loose, not
good. No problem when its hot out. I have though of maybe doing a thin
aluminum skin cover, but the attaching is a problem. I would like to replace
the tanks with bladders...... bigger problem.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
AlbertaIV@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
In a message dated 9/30/04 6:08:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
pliedl@earthlink.net writes:
> my fuel tanks when I was refueling after a recent flight and it was
> apparent that there was a large area no longer bonded. About 15 minutes
later the
> wrinkles were gone and the fabric looked normal.
> >
>
Paul,
When you find a good answer, let me know. When I was covering, Poly
Fiber told me to put on lots of Poly Brush on the wing tank tops to help
adhesion.
I did and all is well. However, I installed flush mounted filler caps that
ended up slightly raised from the tank top. The wind going over this little
raised area is causing my fabric to bubble up just around the filler caps.
I thought of using a long hypodermic needle and inject a mixture of Poly
Tack/MEK under the fabric around this area. Rub/roll it out quickly. This
might work for a small area but not sure the best method for a large area.
Don Smythe
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Does anyone on the list have a pair of original wheels and |
the Chen-Shin slick
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
A lot of guys are saying you can't get those Cheng shin tyres anymore. I
just thought I'd pass on a few points on those. First I have a pair that you
would be welcome to no charge but I imagine it might not be practical as I'm
in a Australia. Other than that though I believe those tyres are still
available but just not easy to get.
I changed mine because everytime we landed on grass we would get a
puncture. It was hopeless. These tyres are only 2 ply and start off life
with a heavy tread pattern as ATV tyres. They are buffed down. I wouldn't
reccomend them to my worst enemy. Anyway what I did was buy 4 ply lawnmower
tyres with a very mild tread pattern. From memory these are 18 x 6.50 x 8.
Those original Cheng Shin's I think are 20 x 7 x 8. The lawnmower tyres are
just that little bit smaller and have better clearance in the wheel spats.
They are 4 ply not 2 ply. We have had no punctures whatsoever. The only
thing was using them tubeless we had slow leaks because where the lugs for
mounting the brake discs had been welded to the back of the rim there was
tiny distortions on the inside where the tyre seals causing slow leaks. We
just put tubes in. All in all we are very pleased with the lawnmower tyres.
I too like the look which is the big wheels, tail dragger and bump cowling
combination. To my mind the mild tread pattern actually looks better, but in
any case even if you prefer the smooth I don't think it's such a big deal to
get the better tyres.
I originally thought that maybe this tread pattern might grip if we
landed with any sideways movement and initiate a ground loop but that hasn't
been the case. In fact we have never seen this tendancy at all. Actually I
put that down to the Groves spring aluminium undercarriage.
Hope this info is of some help,
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Steve Zakreski <szakreski@shaw.ca>
In Canada we have areas (typically surrounding Class B or C airspace)
designated as mode C airspace, meaning you need a mode C transponder to
enter the airspace. Is it considered "controlled airspace"...I dunno...good
question. My guess would be that it is not.
SteveZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
<Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
Hi Michel,
I really appreciate you for looking this up. I've been in areas with heavy
traffic that did not require the mode C but sure wish I had one. It scares
me when I see the big steel jets flying below me and I'm not squaking.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
"Harris, Robert" wrote:
> Would that be considered controlled airspace then?
Reading again in Rod Machero's (that's your side of the big pond, Robert!
:-) I
read in FAR 91.215 that:
Mode C is required in class A, B and C airspace and in all airspace within
30
NM if certain airports listed in appendix D.
This would be the same as in Norway, except that we also need mode C
transponder in airspace class D, around airports with operated tower. I
understand that in the US, only a two-ways radio is needed in class D.
But I think you are mistaking one fact: charts will never show you "mode C"
airspace, only the class. It is from there you know if you can fly in it
with
or without a transponder.
As an example, I fly from a small airfield that is within the class D
airspace
of a nearby airport. I can't take-off without calling them and getting a
squawk
code I enter my transponder and the QNH. The latter is to make sure that we
are
both on the same altitude reference. Whenever I leave the zone, I keep the
transponder on with the same squawk code because above me, there is a larger
class C airspace and the radars are still seeing me and I know that from the
light diode that blinks on my transponder each time it gets the radar beam.
If I stay under that airspace, I don't talk to the guys but I know they see
me
and I feel safer. If I fly further, in uncontrolled class G airspace, I
still
keep my transponder on. If I come back shortly after (within one hour) I
will
still have the same squawk code but the tower will give me again the QNH as
pressure may vary. If I land and come back much later, I squawk 7000 (VFR)
until I am asked to recycle to something else. Sometimes I am not even asked
to
do that.
This was an example from Norway, Robert. Before flying, check your own
region.
I have a friend who recently flew his Cirrus from North Caroline to
Washington
and he says that since 9/11, flying around Washington is hell. Regulations
change and it is our responsibility to get acquainted with them before
starting
any journey.
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Paul,
When the painted fabric wrinkles up it can be flattened out very easy
with a heated iron Apply the heat through a thin rag so that the iron
will not stick to the paint. On my Model IV I had a wrinkle develop in
the area where the tank edge was close to the rib. Heating the fabric
caused it to shrink flat without affecting the aerothane paint.
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
pliedl@earthlink.net wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "pliedl@earthlink.net" <pliedl@earthlink.net>
>
> Hello All:
>
>
>>I'm not a very frequent contributor to the list anymore but I've got a problem
and here I am asking for help. I discovered wrinkles in the fabric covering
over one of my fuel tanks when I was refueling after a recent flight and it was
apparent that there was a large area no longer bonded. About 15 minutes later
the wrinkles were gone and the fabric looked normal.
>>
>>Apparently the bond between the fuel tank and the fabric (polybrush) has failed
and the fabric has been ballooning during flight. I would like to fix this
before the paint (aerothane) begins to crack. I seem to remember discussions on
how to do that but I cannot find anything in the archives. I don't know if Matronics
has the "old" kitfox archives but I have searched Matronics without any
luck.
>>
>>If anyone has successfully "rebonded" their fabric cover to the fuel tank or
has any suggestions on how to do it, I would sure appreciate the information.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Paul Liedl
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is Mode C controll |
ed Airspace?
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Jerry Liles <wliles@bayou.com>
You betcha!
Harris, Robert wrote:
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>
>You are correct. Large airports require you to have one when flying within
>30 miles of the airport. Is that controlled airspace?
>
>Robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD HUTSON
>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
>
>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "RICHARD HUTSON"
><rhutson@midsouth.rr.com>
>
>I think Mode C is a transponder type.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Is Mode C controlled Airspace?
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Harris, Robert"
>><Robert_Harris@intuit.com>
>>
>>Are Mode C areas considered controlled Airspace?
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>kerrjohna@comcast.net
>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: SV: Kitfox-List: SportPilot/Gross Weight Issue
>>
>>--> Kitfox-List message posted by: kerrjohna@comcast.net
>>
>>I believe that a provision exists for an additional endorsement permiting
>>fight in controlled airspace.
>>John Kerr
>>
>>-
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is Mode C controlled Airspace? |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: John King <kingjohne@adelphia.net>
Michel,
Our charts in the USA do show a Mode C ring around Class B airports. The Dullas
Internal Airport in my area has a 30 nm Mode C ring, 10 nm outside the 20 nm
outside boundary of the Class B airspace. My home base is outside the Class
B ring but inside the Mode C ring, so we have to have Mode C capability in all
our aircraft (except for aircraft with non electrical systems).
--
John King
Warrenton, VA
Michel Verheughe wrote:
>But I think you are mistaking one fact: charts will never show you "mode C"
>airspace, only the class. It is from there you know if you can fly in it with
>or without a transponder.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@inreach.com>
My fabric will wrinkle when cold as Rick's does. I actually went to great
lengths to avoid gluing the fabric to the wing tanks because of finishing
problems that were of concern to me at that time. I have about 650 hours
over about 6 years and have had no cracking of the aerothane. I have asked
if ballooning was apparent while flying close with other airplanes and have
always gotten the answer - no. I am always hangared unless flying, though.
I have found that the old structural adhesive is a great bonder of fabric to
whatever. This idea might be a little extreme, but it will certainly not
affect the surface finish. Maybe injecting a bit under the fabric and then
rolling it around a bit with a rubber roller might work.
Lowell
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick" <turboflyer@comcast.net>
>
> I think the problem you may experience once painted is the lifting or
> bubbling of the paint. I had that happen to an area near a patch job. I
know
> when its extremely cold the area on top of the fuel tanks is loose, not
> good. No problem when its hot out. I have though of maybe doing a thin
> aluminum skin cover, but the attaching is a problem. I would like to
replace
> the tanks with bladders...... bigger problem.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> AlbertaIV@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fabric Ballooning at Fuel Tank
>
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: AlbertaIV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/30/04 6:08:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> pliedl@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> > my fuel tanks when I was refueling after a recent flight and it was
> > apparent that there was a large area no longer bonded. About 15 minutes
> later the
> > wrinkles were gone and the fabric looked normal.
> > >
> >
>
> Paul,
> When you find a good answer, let me know. When I was covering, Poly
> Fiber told me to put on lots of Poly Brush on the wing tank tops to help
> adhesion.
> I did and all is well. However, I installed flush mounted filler caps
that
> ended up slightly raised from the tank top. The wind going over this
little
> raised area is causing my fabric to bubble up just around the filler caps.
> I thought of using a long hypodermic needle and inject a mixture of
Poly
> Tack/MEK under the fabric around this area. Rub/roll it out quickly.
This
> might work for a small area but not sure the best method for a large area.
>
> Don Smythe
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell@ev1.net>
I just bought a Model IV today and got two Bose headsets both of which have cannon
plug connectors. The airplane has the standard headset jacks and the cannon
connector receptacles. Anyone know why Bose uses the cannon plug type connectors?
Wonder if they make a converter cable so that I could use these headsets
in an airplane that only has the standard jacks.
Jimmie
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| Subject: | Does anyone on the list have a pair of original wheels |
and the Chen-Shin slick
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Flier" <flier@sbcglobal.net>
I found the knobbies were actually more forgiving than smooth or turf tires
on asphalt. I have turf tires now. The knobs touched first and spun the
tires up when landing with seemingly little friction. Now, I can feel those
turf tires GRAB when they touch -- since there's a lot more tire surface
grabbing the ground at once I guess.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rex & Jan
Shaw
Subject: Kitfox-List: Does anyone on the list have a pair of original
wheels and the Chen-Shin slick
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
A lot of guys are saying you can't get those Cheng shin tyres anymore. I
just thought I'd pass on a few points on those. First I have a pair that you
would be welcome to no charge but I imagine it might not be practical as I'm
in a Australia. Other than that though I believe those tyres are still
available but just not easy to get.
I changed mine because everytime we landed on grass we would get a
puncture. It was hopeless. These tyres are only 2 ply and start off life
with a heavy tread pattern as ATV tyres. They are buffed down. I wouldn't
reccomend them to my worst enemy. Anyway what I did was buy 4 ply lawnmower
tyres with a very mild tread pattern. From memory these are 18 x 6.50 x 8.
Those original Cheng Shin's I think are 20 x 7 x 8. The lawnmower tyres are
just that little bit smaller and have better clearance in the wheel spats.
They are 4 ply not 2 ply. We have had no punctures whatsoever. The only
thing was using them tubeless we had slow leaks because where the lugs for
mounting the brake discs had been welded to the back of the rim there was
tiny distortions on the inside where the tyre seals causing slow leaks. We
just put tubes in. All in all we are very pleased with the lawnmower tyres.
I too like the look which is the big wheels, tail dragger and bump cowling
combination. To my mind the mild tread pattern actually looks better, but in
any case even if you prefer the smooth I don't think it's such a big deal to
get the better tyres.
I originally thought that maybe this tread pattern might grip if we
landed with any sideways movement and initiate a ground loop but that hasn't
been the case. In fact we have never seen this tendancy at all. Actually I
put that down to the Groves spring aluminium undercarriage.
Hope this info is of some help,
Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh@rapidnet.com>
Clint,
I use your startup procedure on my 912S. It works Great!
However, I do have a real jolt at shut down. Do you have a procedure to
soften that? I have been wondering about the slipper clutch.
Randy Series 5/7 912S
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model !V-1200 with 912LS converted to 912ULS
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
<clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
If anyone wants info on converting from 912 to 912S call me. I have no
problems with starting shake or shut down. You can call me an I will give
you lots of Info. Clint at Half Moon Bay, Calif 912ULS in Model IV
(650) 712-1802
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| Subject: | Re: 912S Shut down. |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: KITFOXPILOT@att.net
-------------- Original message from "Randy Daughenbaugh" : --------------
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh"
>
>
> Clint,
> I use your startup procedure on my 912S. It works Great!
>
> However, I do have a real jolt at shut down. Do you have a procedure to
> soften that? I have been wondering about the slipper clutch.
>
> Randy Series 5/7 912S
> Hi Guys, I just recently installed the slipperclutch on my 912S, and what a change
on the shut down! also installed the heavy duty starter I was impressed,
faster start!
Ray
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Model !V-1200 with 912LS converted to 912ULS
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
>
>
> If anyone wants info on converting from 912 to 912S call me. I have no
> problems with starting shake or shut down. You can call me an I will give
> you lots of Info. Clint at Half Moon Bay, Calif 912ULS in Model IV
>
> (650) 712-1802
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <RJDAUGH@RAPIDNET.COM>
Clint,
I use your startup procedure on my 912S. It works Great!
However, I do have a real jolt at shut down. Do you have a procedure to
soften that? I have been wondering about the slipper clutch.
Randy Series 5/7 912S
Hi Guys, I just recently installed the slipperclutch on my 912S, and what a change
on the shut down! also installed the heavy duty starter I was impressed,
faster start!
Ray
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model !V-1200 with 912LS converted to 912ULS
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Clint Bazzill"
<CLINT_BAZZILL@HOTMAIL.COM>
If anyone wants info on converting from 912 to 912S call me. I have no
problems with starting shake or shut down. You can call me an I will give
you lots of Info. Clint at Half Moon Bay, Calif 912ULS in Model IV
(650) 712-1802
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| Subject: | gross weight - sport pilot |
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: gary borrmann <garyb2@sbcglobal.net>
I'm not really in a position where it really matters to me but I think my series
5 would comply with the regulations. When I built mine and certified it, it
is an early model 5 , I purchased the quick change wings kit to go from speedster
to long wing configuration. In the short wing configuration, the aircraft
has a gross weight of 1200 lbs as prescribed by skystar and that is what is
written in my airworthiness forms. So conceivably my aircraft meet the LSA weight
limit in the speedster configuration.
Love to hear anyones comments?
Gary Borrmann
Series 5 O-200
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